supercharger

Posted by: Anonymous

supercharger - 07/02/07 02:31 PM

i have recently put a few mods on my 2004 s/c xterra, i put on the K&N air intake, and i also put on a smaler pulley, the stock pulley is 2.6" and the one i put on is now 2.35" I can totally feel the difference, im estimating that the whole thing probably added anywhere from 40-50 horses, and i love it. and i also now have this high pitched winding noise now..it actually sounds like im driving a ford lightning. but i was wondering if anyone has done this before and has had any problems with the supercharger or drivetrain
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 07/02/07 03:15 PM

I know that swapping the SC pulley is SUPER common, but I don't know if anyone has experienced any trouble with the drivetrain after doing it. I can't imagine it would cause any problems.

I seriously doubt it added 40 - 50 horses though. A buddy of mine swapped the pulley on his supercharged Mustang GT and it only added around 30 horses, and he had 300 to start with. You maybe got 20 - 30 horses out of the pulley and intake. That's still respectable though! laugh
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 09/02/07 04:17 PM

I would say that 10 to 15 additional horsepower would be more realistic. A supercharger can add a 25% increase in power but I doubt that the smaller pulley alone would do that. The charger on the X increases the 3.3's output by only 15% on the top end and 18% on the low end.
The down side to the smaller pulley is that your supercharger and it's bearing have a lifespan. The faster you turn the charger the faster it is aging. Enjoy the additional power for a season but expect repairs down the road. I tried the smaller pulley thing on my Mustang and met with repairs that sucked.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 09/02/07 06:36 PM

The drive train can take pretty much whatever a vg33 can throw at it, naturally aspirated or forced induction. The manual tranny is quite a bit stronger than the auto, but the rear end is bullet proof and take a look @ the driveshaft...it'll be hard to bust.

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Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 09/02/07 07:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ChefTyler:
The manual tranny is quite a bit stronger than the auto
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[Freak] [Freak] [Freak] Really? Where did you read that?
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 10/02/07 10:59 PM

well i know the teflon wears on the screws or whatever the technical name is for the parts in the charger, which is what my roomate said (big mustang buff, who helped me install the parts. But before i bought the parts i talked to a sales rep for the smaller pulley from south florida pulleys and he said they have dyno tested it and it adds 26 hp without out re-tuning it, he said i could prolly re-tune or add some dumb chip or whatever but the cost wasnt worth it. But the cold air intake i bought from k&n said it increased hp by 12 and of course they also said it was dyno'd and the parts came with a print out, but im not sure if thats all just garbage they say to get you to buy it, but whatever. I know there will be some repairs down the road with the supercharger and the lifespan of it, but the charger, which i looked up on ebay was only $400 brand new so its almost like why not do it. I guess i was just wondering if anyone else has done it and can maybe give me more info on how it went
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 11/02/07 07:46 PM

where can u get this new pully kit?
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 11/02/07 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by Daggerdoggie:
Quote:
Originally posted by ChefTyler:
[b] The manual tranny is quite a bit stronger than the auto
[Wave]
[Freak] [Freak] [Freak] Really? Where did you read that?[/b]
Perhaps I should have typed ...is a bit stronger... laugh Second hand experience via GrandpaX.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 11/02/07 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by johnnybananas:
well i know the teflon wears on the screws or whatever the technical name is for the parts in the charger, which is what my roomate said (big mustang buff, who helped me install the parts.....I know there will be some repairs down the road with the supercharger and the lifespan of it, but the charger, which i looked up on ebay was only $400 brand new so its almost like why not do it. I guess i was just wondering if anyone else has done it and can maybe give me more info on how it went
As far as lifespan goes? I read somewhere either on the net or even in a thread here about changing the supercharger gear oil every XXXX miles. Does this apply to X, is there even a drain port or fill port? Just curious because after a brief inspection of my supercharger, the only way it seems possible is to take the whole damn thing apart!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 12/02/07 10:00 AM

where can u get this new pully kit?

http://www.pulleyboys.com/nissan.html

If I could do it again I would get the quick change. The pressed on one was a PITA to get off. I did not buy the puller tool WHICH IS A MUST and decided to fab and weld up my own. It worked but man is this thing on there.

It does make a big difference, you can feel it, but by no means does it turn your X into a rocket. The 2.3" takes your truck from 4lbs to 10lbs of boost.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 12/02/07 10:01 AM

Just make sure to ALWAYS use premium after this mod and it doesn't hurt to bump the timing just to be safe. It will whine out more and is louder, but no harm done. Good mod for the money.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 12/02/07 09:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by xXx 4x4:
where can u get this new pully kit?
basically what i did was run a search for xterra supercharger pulleys the site i came across was south florida pulley's..they were the only site that i found that sold a 2.35 pulley otherwise you have a choice between 2.4 and 2.3 and from what i have read everyone was saying that without a cold air kit they have had problems with overheating the supercharger
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 12/02/07 10:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SupaXSE:
[QB]If I could do it again I would get the quick change. The pressed on one was a PITA to get off. I did not buy the puller tool WHICH IS A MUST and decided to fab and weld up my own. It worked but man is this thing on there. QB]
they are all press on pulleys for the supercharger on the X...or am i wrong?? When i did mine we just rented the tool...a hell of alot cheaper than buying it..and to make it easier you just add a little heat to the pulley with a little propane torch and with the pressure of the puller on the pulley it just popped right off with out much effort
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 13/02/07 04:16 AM

johnnybananas...IF you plan on doing any off-roading..you're going to regret that K&N..I too love the xtra HP and whine. but when it comes to me hitting a puddle, I seem to suck it up like a straw.....Can't tell you how many trail fires (controlled enviromental bitches) i've started to dry that thing out.
Posted by: ATFrontier

Re: supercharger - 13/02/07 06:04 AM

Alot of money spent for a gain of 15-18hp and the assurance of replacing the blower alot sooner. The pulley salesman was doing his job. Selling. I would love to see the dyno sheets that show a 26hp gain.
The stock blower on WOT is 7-8psi according to my gauge. The aftermarket pully might get it up to 12-14psi.
For the cost of the parts and subsequent blower replacement it's just not worth it. But hey, it's your truck so good luck.
Posted by: BigE515

Re: supercharger - 13/02/07 06:33 AM

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Originally posted by SupaXSE:
Just make sure to ALWAYS use premium after this mod and it doesn't hurt to bump the timing just to be safe. It will whine out more and is louder, but no harm done. Good mod for the money.
I've been looking at doing this for a few years, just waiting to see long term opinions of it. How long ago did you do this and how many miles have you put on since thrn? Thanks!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 13/02/07 06:58 AM

Did this a year ago and have put on a little over 10K miles. NO PROBLEMS at all.

And yes, all the pulleys are press on. What I meant before when I said I wish I would have bought the one you can swap, you press on the main part and then it allows you to bolt on different size pulleys. - Quick change pulleys. I am also running a K&N drop in filter. The cold air kits are not good for off-roading. You will suck in water, mud etc. Not worth it. The drop in works fine.

http://www.pulleyboys.com/nissanqc.html
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 13/02/07 02:48 PM

i did mine around like 14,000 miles ago...havent had a problem with it, the K&N i have to clean and oil it every so often, and with the air intake suckin in mud and water and stuff...i dont really do much off-roading though. i will tel you this though the stock xterra s/c really has no nuts whatsoever when you compare it to other vehicles in it's class, but after i put that pulley and the air intake on you could feel a huge difference, i actually raced a stck s/c one and i beat him by about 3-4 car lengths, so its definitly worth it.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 13/02/07 03:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by johnnybananas:
i actually raced a stck s/c one and i beat him by about 3-4 car lengths, so its definitly worth it.
:rolleyes:

Welcome to XOC laugh
Posted by: BigE515

Re: supercharger - 14/02/07 09:32 PM

Johnny and Supa, have you guys had any problems with boost drop/lag? I usually get about 7 PSI of boost but on soem really cold days the SC goe sinto safe mode and U get 3 PSI. I have had the knock sensor replaced already, that cured the problem for a while then it came back. I wnet bac to the dealer and I got the runaround from two different dealers. (the larger tires you installed are the problem and the aftermarket intake may be the problem)
Posted by: BigE515

Re: supercharger - 14/02/07 09:32 PM

Johnny and Supa, have you guys had any problems with boost drop/lag? I usually get about 7 PSI of boost but on soem really cold days the SC goe sinto safe mode and U get 3 PSI. I have had the knock sensor replaced already, that cured the problem for a while then it came back. I wnet bac to the dealer and I got the runaround from two different dealers. (the larger tires you installed are the problem and the aftermarket intake may be the problem)
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 15/02/07 04:20 AM

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Originally posted by bpc:
Quote:
Originally posted by johnnybananas:
[b] i actually raced a stck s/c one and i beat him by about 3-4 car lengths, so its definitly worth it.
:rolleyes:

Welcome to XOC laugh [/b]
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Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 15/02/07 08:09 AM

bpc, you wanna race for pinks? We should go on the show on speed channel. [LOL]

"Supa by 5 lengths with a 23 second run in the 1/4 mile" [LOL]

I have not had any problems with lag. I used to romp on it a lot more before I threw on the 33's. Now there is a lot more weight to pull and turn. It just comes in handy when I need the power, passing people, getting out of situations, etc.

You have to remember, these are still trucks, not ricers or race cars. I f-ing hate when civics pull up and see "SuperCharged" on my tailgate and want to race. I have spanked a few though last summer and then laughed when we stopped at the next light. Having the boost gauge on the oh-shit handle doesn't help the situation either.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 19/02/07 09:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigE515:
Johnny and Supa, have you guys had any problems with boost drop/lag? I usually get about 7 PSI of boost but on soem really cold days the SC goe sinto safe mode and U get 3 PSI. I have had the knock sensor replaced already, that cured the problem for a while then it came back. I wnet bac to the dealer and I got the runaround from two different dealers. (the larger tires you installed are the problem and the aftermarket intake may be the problem)
honestly big E i couldnt tell you, i havent yet installed the boost guage yet, i have in sitting on the shelf in my garage but havent had ample time to install it, but through just the feel of the throttle when i floor it i do notice that during different weather conditions its feels different..but i will let you know when i do put it in
Posted by: ayellowone

Re: supercharger - 08/03/07 11:33 AM

I was under the impression the auto was quite a bit stronger than the manual tranny since the towing capacity of a manual is 3000lbs and the towing capacity of an auto is 5000lbs.

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Originally posted by ChefTyler:
Quote:
Originally posted by Daggerdoggie:
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Quote:
Originally posted by ChefTyler:
[b] The manual tranny is quite a bit stronger than the auto
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[Freak] [Freak] [Freak] Really? Where did you read that?[/b]
Perhaps I should have typed ...is a bit stronger... laugh Second hand experience via GrandpaX.[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 08/03/07 11:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ayellowone:
I was under the impression the auto was quite a bit stronger than the manual tranny since the towing capacity of a manual is 3000lbs and the towing capacity of an auto is 5000lbs.

Quote:
Originally posted by ChefTyler:
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Daggerdoggie:
[b]
quote:
Originally posted by ChefTyler:
The manual tranny is quite a bit stronger than the auto
[Wave]
[Freak] [Freak] [Freak] Really? Where did you read that?[/b]
Perhaps I should have typed ...is a bit stronger... laugh Second hand experience via GrandpaX.[/b]

As far as I know my manual is 5k
Posted by: ayellowone

Re: supercharger - 08/03/07 11:41 AM

I researched this a couple of years ago before I bought my pulley. Even with the decreased diameter of the 2.3 inch pulley, the SC is still within it's safe operating RPM range. I agree that bearing life may be sacrificed some but I feel pretty confident the SC will hold up to the increased RPMs. Besides, there have been several people on this forum that have performed this upgrade and I have yet to hear of someone blowing up their SC because of this mod.

Josh

Quote:
Originally posted by ATFrontier:
Alot of money spent for a gain of 15-18hp and the assurance of replacing the blower alot sooner. The pulley salesman was doing his job. Selling. I would love to see the dyno sheets that show a 26hp gain.
The stock blower on WOT is 7-8psi according to my gauge. The aftermarket pully might get it up to 12-14psi.
For the cost of the parts and subsequent blower replacement it's just not worth it. But hey, it's your truck so good luck.
Posted by: ayellowone

Re: supercharger - 08/03/07 11:54 AM

2000 to 2004 towing capacity for a manual is 3500 lbs, auto is 5000 lbs.
In 2005+ all Xterra are rated at 5000 lbs.

-Josh
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 08/03/07 12:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ayellowone:
2000 to 2004 towing capacity for a manual is 3500 lbs, auto is 5000 lbs.
In 2005+ all Xterra are rated at 5000 lbs.

-Josh
This seems like it should be the opposite, wouldn't a manual provide more torque than an auto?
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 08/03/07 12:54 PM

whats the differnce in size. whats better going as small as you can go or just a little smaller. are there downside to going the smalled you can go?

Thanks
Posted by: ayellowone

Re: supercharger - 08/03/07 01:06 PM

If you go too small you will over rev the SC and break it. You will most likely blow your engine from overboosting as well.
Posted by: ayellowone

Re: supercharger - 08/03/07 01:09 PM

Engines provide torque, not transmissions. Evidently there is a limiting part in the manual transmissions that was corrected in 2005.

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Originally posted by TunaSoda:
Quote:
Originally posted by ayellowone:
[b]2000 to 2004 towing capacity for a manual is 3500 lbs, auto is 5000 lbs.
In 2005+ all Xterra are rated at 5000 lbs.

-Josh
This seems like it should be the opposite, wouldn't a manual provide more torque than an auto?[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 09/03/07 02:25 PM

Does you gas mileage take a dramatic nose dive when you put the smaller pulley on?? This is my first post so be nice!!
Posted by: BigE515

Re: supercharger - 11/03/07 08:00 AM

More power=more lead in the right foot. So, you're mileage would probably go down.
PS-Welcome aboard! [Wave]
Posted by: ayellowone

Re: supercharger - 11/03/07 09:59 AM

Based on what I understand about the Xterra's supercharger system, the gas mileage will only decrease when you are using the supercharger (med to high load conditions). I don't think it will affect highway driving conditions because of the bypass valve that basically disables the supercharger during light load conditions. I have not installed my pulley yet so I have no personal experience that backs this up.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 11/03/07 10:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ayellowone:
Based on what I understand about the Xterra's supercharger system, the gas mileage will only decrease when you are using the supercharger (med to high load conditions). I don't think it will affect highway driving conditions because of the bypass valve that basically disables the supercharger during light load conditions. I have not installed my pulley yet so I have no personal experience that backs this up.
Your gas mileage will always be lower even when you aren't using it because the s/c still induces drag on the engine (through the pulleys).
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 11/03/07 09:38 PM

good point. For you guys that have gotten smaller pulley's, are you replacing them yourself or having a shop do it? I want to get one but I dont think I can do it myself, haha.
Posted by: ayellowone

Re: supercharger - 15/03/07 09:18 AM

You will always have increased parasitic loss due to driving the pulley faster and you may notice a small decrease in gas mileage, but I don't think it will take a "nose dive". In fact I question whether it will even be noticeable during highway driving.

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Your gas mileage will always be lower even when you aren't using it because the s/c still induces drag on the engine (through the pulleys).
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 16/03/07 04:06 PM

That's some good info, I really want to hear from some people who have either installed it themselves or taken it to a shop. Is there any prerequisit (spelling?) before installing the pulley? I'd assume an intake or kn filter... Thanks for all the input guys!
Posted by: Paco Pico

Re: supercharger - 18/03/07 08:28 AM

I have installed the pulley on my old 2002SC. It is not to hard if you have basic mechanical knowledge and tools.

I have the puller BTW.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: supercharger - 09/04/07 12:23 PM

I'm new to these trucks, however not forced induction. To my knowledge it really doesn't matter how much boost you throw at these engines. If your wastegate is set to dump at 5psi than that's all the boost you're going to get. The pulley will only help to increase getting max boost sooner... 2500 Rpms instead of your old pulleys 2800 Rpms as an example. I'm not sure what the specs are with these trucks but if someone knows what psi the WG dumps at that would be very helpful.
Posted by: BigE515

Re: supercharger - 09/05/07 12:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paco Pico:
I have installed the pulley on my old 2002SC. It is not to hard if you have basic mechanical knowledge and tools.

I have the puller BTW.
In the 41/2 years I've owned my X I think I've asked you this twice before. Well, time for an update.....ant problems since you've installed the smaller pulley and what size did you put on? Thanks......again! [Wave]