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Originally posted by Samueul:

I'm saying I don't trust the Federal government as a whole, dems, reps, etc. all included. They have all, over the last 6 years, proven to be completely corrupt and incompetent in my opinion.
Are you saying we should go back to the policy prior to 9/11 that Islamic terrorism wasn't a problem to be forcibly dealt with?

Who do you trust to combat terrorism? The Pittsburgh Police Department? The Fire Department?

I think you are forgetting that when the feds weren't doing anything serious about terrorism, that resulted in a major attack and the murder of almost 3000 people right here on American soil.

Many terrorist plots have been thwarted in the interim years. Some of them because of the use of waterboarding.

That is too easy and convenient to forget and even ignore.

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As of the here and now with the current state of the world? Me, and that's it.

As far as the torture in general goes, I don't disagree with its use, but I feel like torture in the hands of our current government body is akin to a child wielding a chainsaw. I hope we tread lightly with these tactics as the reputation of countries who often employ them is less than positive on the world stage.
Ahhh.... We are back to the bogus "reputation in the world" argument.

Do you think that many of our own intelligence operatives and Special Forces soldiers are waterboarded and trained in what to expect if they are captured because no one else waterboards? Please tell you me you are not that naive.

We waterboard our people during training because everyone else uses waterboarding.

You are just one of the many people who are falling into the trap being used by nefarious people who want us to take this very important tool out of our arsenal of available interrogation techniques.

How far are you willing to go along with others in weakening this country? That is what the whole debate is all about. Don't kid yourself about it for one minute.

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I still am, but I see a trend within our country that seems to lend credence to the fact that we are all too quickly giving up our ethics and liberties for what may ultimately be perceived freedom and safety, and I think that could be dangerous if not metered with some hard questions that we as a nation need to start answering.
If you think that waterboarding people like Khalid Sheik Mohammed or Abu Zabidah(sp) is equivalent to American citizens giving up any of their liberty... or a violation of any sort of ethics, I don't know what the hell to say to you.

As a nation we did ask a lot of hard questions right after 9-11. Most of them included how did we allow this happen.

It appears that many are trying as hard as they can to allow it to happen again.

You seem to have been drinking from a very dirty fountain of late.