How far are you willing to go along with others in weakening this country? That is what the whole debate is all about. Don't kid yourself about it for one minute.
That statement right there is the meat of it. We go too far one way or the other and we weakening our country. I question if we have gone too far in one direction as a reaction to 9/11. I am not siding with any "faction". The left is doing it, the right is doing it... we have to find a solid middle ground. We need balance and I don't think we have it right now. As far our world reputation goes, I don't see how it's a bogus claim? Should we not care to some degree how we are perceived by the rest of the world powers? Do we not judge other countries by their actions and deal with them accordingly?
If you think that waterboarding people like Khalid Sheik Mohammed or Abu Zabidah(sp) is equivalent to American citizens giving up any of their liberty... or a violation of any sort of ethics, I don't know what the hell to say to you.
Not at all. I'm saying that it's very easy for a nation, especially a nation who is passing more and more laws that circumvent citizens rights, to fall into that very trap. History shows this again and again and I am wary that we are falling into that trap.
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Samuaeul- same with you. You are former military. You understand what needs to be done to obtain certain objectives.
Absolutely, but I question our current governments competence in utilizing the tools (our military, torture, intelligence) that are necessary to obtain certain objectives. It's the politics that keep fucking this shit up.
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