Well, at least we have a good topic of debate here.

Raise your hand if you think the capture of Bin Laden will magically end the war on terror and make all the Al Queda people go back to their huts and live out the rest of their days peacefully.

I'm guessing there's not too many hands up. So now tell me why we should direct all resources towards capturing one sickly Arab fuck with bad kidneys when we can be elsewhere going after the active terrorists? I'm not trying to justify Iraq here, but I am pointing out the obvious that Al Queda are a worldwide scourge that have to be dealt with by a heavy hand.

We've talked about cowards. I can think of nothing more cowardly than planting roadside bombs, car bombs, and suicide bombers that target innocent civilians, women, kids, etc. Yet we're cowards for using somewhat unconventional means to extract information from the bastards we do catch? 3 whole people? C'mon.

Anyone who has served in the US Army and went through basic training suffered more torture than a few hours of waterboarding, and we volunteered to do it.

Don't believe me?

- PT until you experience total muscle failure
- CS Gas Chamber - remember that? That SUCKED!
- Brutal road marches

What is torture, anyways?

Websters definition:

1 a: anguish of body or mind : agony b: something that causes agony or pain
2: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3: distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : straining

Based on this, anytime I'm forced to listen to rap music, Britney Spears, etc., that's causing anguish of mind.

Agony and pain. Waterboarding. Maybe.

To those of you against it, what are your thresholds? How would you handle it? Do you think your non-offensive politically correct ways are equally effective?

Guys, remember who we're dealing with here. No, we're NOT stooping to their level. Waterboarding is a little less severe than beheading and blowing people up.