This seemed relevant to election year politics.

It's a long article, but worth the read. Personally, I don't want the US to turn into Europe, where islamic infiltration is rampant.

Read. Discuss.

Evengelicals in the US vs. the threat of Islam

It is VERY relevant not only to the election but the national dialog.

However, who is going to make it relevant in the minds of the general public? Certainly not the Democrats. They want to follow European style suicidal appeasement policies. It's the same with the media, hollywood, and political elites.

The appeasement of Islam in Europe is getting so bad that they are literally on the verge of having a two tiered system of laws. One for Muslims and one for "infidels". To a small degree it is already happening in many countries.

The latest bit of insanity out of the UK is they will be not only appeasing polygamy on the part of Muslim men, the government will pay welfare and housing benefits for all of their wives. This is occurring even though bigamy and polygamy are illegal in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nbenefit103.xml

It's starting to get bad in Canada too. Like some of Europe, there is no freedom of speech anymore. If you write a book or article that criticizes or questions Islam, you are brought before some "Human Rights Commission" and/or "Human Rights Tribunal" and put through an inquisition which could result in criminal fines and penalties. All because the thought police deem your writing "hate speech". Several American authors have recently been dragged before these commissions along with their publishing companies in Canada.

Ontario has an "Arbitration Act" that is allowing a form of Sharia Court to exist in Canada for Muslims. Some Canadian governments are also thinking about allowing "Sharia Banking" in commercial banks in that country. It may be be going on already.

This is all brought about by the self loathing and suicidal notion of "multiculturalism".

It's coming here too. More slowly than Europe, Canada, and Australia, but it is coming. It happens one inch at a time.

Madman - you would probably know this - did the UK recently officially change the use of the word "terrorism" to "Anti-Islamic Activity"? I think I heard it on Glenn Beck the other night, too lazy to do any research, figured you might know...

If that is true, that may very well be the fucking dumbest thing I have ever heard, anywhere, ever.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...d=1766&ito=1490

Google is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing . . .

Wow. That is a stunning article. First of all, that Hitchens guy is a total weenus. He must have been molested by a priest or something. What have Christians done to him? Why the venom? I'll be the first to admit that people who call themselves Christians are as screwed up as any people group on earth. But this guy's got things all mixed up. He seems to think we have these secret political rallies where we plot and scheme to take over the world like some large-scale Pinky and the Brain. So confused. Believe me, he is in no way more disgusted with the condition of the church than I am. And I have been a follower of Jesus Christ for 19 years.

About Islam... this surprises me, but then again it doesn't. Madman, I think you said it well. The whole multiculturalism thing is truly destroying what these countries have been (in the case of France, maybe that's a good thing). When you give a religion carte blanche to do, say and be whatever they want with no repercussions, only bad things will result. When you add to that that we're talking about an extremely arrogant, highly violent religion who historically has only grown through invasion and force, and you've created the perfect storm.

If you had a "Christian" community that was being policed by the local jurisdiction, there may be some discontent, but in general, there would be compliance, because the Bible tells Christians to obey the law of the land and respect leaders, because God ordains all leadership. You will never see a Christian (a sane one anyway) strap on a bomb and go blow up a mnarketplace because he disagrees with the local authorities.

Islam, on the other hand, leaves no room for anything but itself. It utterly disrespects any religion other than itself. And there is such incredible tribal strife inherent in the religion from the word go, that it's really an angry hornet's nest no matter what you do. It's a merciless religion that controls its devotees through terror. If you don't do what Allah says, he will direct the faithful to kill you. If you screw up a little, you must be punished. And if anyone dares question you or require you to do anything your Imam or Mullah tells you to do, pitch a fit or just go on and kill him. It's okay. Allah-u-akbar!

Have you ever heard of anything so idiotic and insanely Orwellian.

Well, it is the Brits. What can you do.

It is now official....

Brits are officially retarded!

Interesting article. Paints a very drab picture.

I think if anywhere in the US pushes back against the tide so to speak, it will be the Mid-West and Southern states. The East Coast will be the first to succumb (NY, DC, Boston). The West will welcome it with open arms (San Fran, Berkeley, etc.).

Organized religion as a whole is ruining this world. We'd be better off without any of it.

Edited to add: Though I'd take Christians over Muslims every time.

Some British Muslim appeasement suicidal insanity....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam403.xml

Let us not forget that many Muslims born in Islamic countries prefer to use their hands and some water to wipe their asses instead of toilet paper.

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In an example of what the Brits now call "anti-Islamic activity"...... a Christian bishop's life is being threatened because the Muslims claim he insulted them... by speaking the truth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam103.xml

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It doesn't like all the Muslim women in the UK are enjoying all of the freedoms of the West now that there is a large Muslim population in England...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam303.xml

The people who preach "multiculturalism" tell you that no culture is better than any other.

I've said it a hundred times before: Islam is a scourge on the planet and Americans should do nothing to embrace it. It's a religion of hate and fear mongering.

Someone on a blog I read today made the insane comment: "A moderate muslim US president would probably go a long way towards making the world a better place".

What frightens me the most is that there are people who believe this horseshit. There's no such thing as a 'moderate muslim'.

About the article, the guy is pretty hostile towards Christianity but does still concede that were it not for the Christian right in this country, we'd be rolling over just like the countries in Europe to a peaceful invasion of Islam that would slowly erode everything this country was based upon.

Well... not exactly.

Michigan already has the highest concentrated Muslim populations in North America.

The largest amounts of private terrorist financing in North America for groups like Hezbollah comes directly from Michigan.

Already one town named Hamtramck has the Muslim call to prayer 5 times a day that you would hear in a Middle Eastern country (it's broadcast all over the town).

Plus here in NYC, our shithead Mayor Bloomerg has allowed an all Arabic speaking public school to be formed on taxpayer money. It's first principal already had to quit because she was caught pushing pro-jihad, terrorist T-shirts supporting Palestinian terrorism.

Believe me, there are plenty of problems here on the East Coast. Brooklyn, Paterson, NJ. and Jersey City are hotbeds of jihad ideology.

One thing he failed to discuss is the danger the Christian left poses in helping Islam advance it's agenda.

The Christian right understands and realizes the danger. The Christian left does not and the Christian left is increasing in numbers in this country. The Christian left is also involved with open borders and exasperating the illegal immigration problem.

Just a thought here... wouldn't it be interesting if we could play God and do a little dream cock-fight...

Corner 1: Adolph Hitler and his psychopathic Nazi dream and military machine.

Corner 2: Islam.

Ahhh.... NO.

A little bit of history that most people are not aware of..... Hitler and the Nazi's were allied with the Muslim's of the Middle East.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a close ally of Hitler.

The Nazi's also had an all Muslim division of the Waffen SS formed from the Muslims living in the Balkans.

Hehe. He said "Grand Mufti". Well I did know they intermingled, but I was unaware of that marriage. You gotta admit though... that would be a dang good fight.

The statistical growth of Islam is misleading. Because by law, if you convert to anything - they are obligated to kill you - this essentially makes Islam hereditary.

I met a guy who grew up as a Muslim in Egypt. He converted to Christianity and was ready to face the consequences (death). His parents were responsible for killing him for converting, but because his older brother had just recently died in a car accident - and his parents could not bare to lose another son - they let him live.

He recently moved back to some Muslim country to do humanitarian aid work for a Christian organization specializing in children with special needs. (Autism, cerebral palsy, etc)

Okay. You've established that Islam is an evil religion. You've established that all muslims are fanatical adherents to an evil religion. So the next question is...what's the end game?

How do you stamp out an ideology? Is it even possible to stem the legislation of culture by counter-legislation? And what would need to be enacted? A series of laws barring muslims from the political process? Renovate existing immigration laws to exclude muslims?

Are we talking about re-vamping laws at all? Or are we talking about Manzanar getting a fresh coat of paint?

What are we talking about?

Wow that's a really courageous guy. I think when a Muslim is enlightened to just how evil that ideology is, he will immediately be repulsed. The problem is, and understandably so, for the vast majority of Muslims, conversion equals death. Usually not just for the convert, either. Usually his family is attacked as well, if not killed. As I mentioned, there is no mercy in Islam. None whatsoever. Mercy is viewed as weakness. And Allah has no place for the weak. Hence, we get evil, cowardly men strapping bombs to mentally retarded women and remotely detonating the bombs in a crowded market. What is the solution, people? Seriously, I don't know. The human/fleshly part of me says nuke em. But my faith says that those people, no matter how evil/heartless/cold they may be, are just that...people.

And here I thought all that beer and pork rinds and banging Jewish girls woulda washed it off of me. Nope...turns out I'm still in the club.

Wow...his parents musta been some real pansies. I keep waiting for my Dad to kill my Mom for being a white liberal Scots Presbyterian, and me and my brother for being alcoholic pork-munching libertarian agnostic apostates, but nope. He's all kababs and smiles. Hell, I figure he'd better kill Mom before she kills him with flax seed wheat germ whole bran yogurt smoothies, but he's probably more at risk of exploding from excess gas than a bomb vest. Considering there's no such thing as a moderate muslim, his sleeper cell must be sleepin' reeeeeeal deep. Yeah, that's it. Someday he'll go jihad.

"I'll kick your ass, bitch!"

You can't stamp out an ideology short of complete eradication of the people who hold that ideology, and that would cause many more problems then a our nation could handle.

How can you tell who is who in a religious war? You either have to start eliminating whole races of people because of suspected Islamic affiliation (a la Germany) or continue on the path we are on which is to wage a continuous "war on terror" against an ideology, which will only drain us of our resources as it has been.

Bin Laden's goal was to "bankrupt" the US, and I'd say 9/11 was a good catalyst for reaching that goal. As long as Islam has the resources and funding (Saudi Arabia) to wage this type of warfare, it's going to be a long hard road as what we are doing is akin to a siege, and laying siege to an ideology is in my opinion completely impossible.

Our current crop of politicians and population don't have what it takes to even try and legislate against Islam. They'll just roll over as being politically correct is more important than anything to them and attacking any religion is political suicide in this country. Look how well Scientology has prospered here....

I don't know the answer, and maybe our current course of action is the right course but I don't know how long our economy can take it. I guess time and history will tell.

His mama call him Clay. I'm-a call him Clay.

You're a Muslim. How about you providing some answers to the questions that you have posed. How about you as a Muslim emerging from the pack and reinforcing the myth of the so-called "moderate Muslim".

Muslims have murdered many people in the West through brutal and savage terrorist attacks. Muslims around the world riot and kill each other and innocents at the drop of a hat or media report they deem offensive.

Your first reaction to the other user for his comments is one of sarcasm. Your attitude is almost like he as a citizen has no right to feel that Islam is violent and barbaric despite endless proof to the contrary constantly being provided by Muslims themselves. You are absolutely wrong.

Instead of admitting the truth that people have a rational right to be suspicious of Islam and Muslims, you practically accuse him of wanting to reopen internment camps.

Is that the "moderate Muslim" in you speaking?

As a Muslim, instead of attacking people who have every reasonable right to be suspicious of Islam in general, you more than anyone should be denouncing the egregious and barbaric acts committed on a regular basis in the name of your religion. It's going to take Muslims to put an end to the violent and psychotic nature endemic within Islam.

But then again, you don't do that. There is never a denunciation of the violence or the insanity. Your first instinct is to attack those who rightfully question Islam.

Maybe as a Muslim, you know more than most that opening your mouth against other Muslims could be a hazard to your safety and possibly your life. It's easier for you to condemn everyone else for having their justifiable suspicions and opinions. The "religion of peace" remains "peaceful" as long as you keep your mouth shut.

You invoke the memory of Manzanar in your rant against other people, however there was a big difference back then. Many Japanese went out of their way to prove their loyalty to this country and their new home. That is not happening with Muslims today. The public is not being shown any efforts on behalf of Muslims to help eradicate the cancer within. We are treated to nothing but complaints and endless grievances from the so-called "Muslim community". Their attitude is the same as yours... "how dare anyone question Islam".

The search for the mythical moderate Muslim continues. It is a search that is all too often wrought with disappointment and even more suspicion. So-called Muslim leaders who have sat and broke bread with American presidents have been found to have terrorist ties. The very first Ramadan celebrations in the White House during the Clinton administration were organized by a Muslim who turned out to be a jihadist supporter. The largest Muslim organizations in America, CAIR, The American Muslim Council, ISNA, etc. all have been found to have ties to terrorism.

The search continues. It doesn't look with any high degree of confidence that you may be one of the mythical moderate Muslims. You condemn everyone else but Muslims.... But I'm still optimistic. I do sense that you love freedom and liberty. Maybe one day that will force you and other Muslims such as yourself to finally stand up and do something about the problem within Islam.

Ooooo. Dis gon' be good.

We'd better open up the Mexican border wide and let the mexicans finish taking over before the Islamics do...

I wouldn't count on it.

He'll say everyone else is fucked up. We are all bigots. Islam is religion of peace... We're the ones that are fucked up. His standard shtick is usually something along the lines of America being a racist country..... or something to that end.

He thinks he gets pulled over by the cops all the time because they think he is a hispanic gang member because of his skin color and bald head.

You're trolling as usual, but I'll bite anyways.

I don't think we need more laws. We just need to ensure we hang on to the ideal that this is a free country, and it should not turn into a nanny state like most in Western Europe already have. As a citizenry, we need to pull back a bit on multiculturalism at all costs and hang on to the culture that is uniquely American. Don't stand for the bullshit like Madman cited in Michigan with prayer calls over public address systems. That's not separation of church and state.

So next you'll argue that the Christian right is no better. I contend it is. It was that same Christian right that founded this country, and then granted freedom of religion, provided it does not interfere with affairs of state. ALL muslim countries are incapable of this and govern under some variation of islamic law. Your beloved Iran is a good example of that. A non-muslim wouldn't be terribly comfortable there. Would you not want to feel welcome in your own country based on your religious beliefs? Let them fill our borders and then refuse to acclimate as American citizens with a love of freedom and tolerance of others, and that's exactly what will happen here in another couple generations. And we'll welcome it with open arms because of this insane notion of politically correct multiculturalism until we all wake up one day and say, "WTF?"

That same religious right, and the moderate right - half of the country's population, is the only thing keeping the US from becoming the next nanny state.

Let's not get into any personal shit, Brian. You know where I stand on things, and frankly, I know exactly what you are under that tough guy veneer.

How about this, Madman. Tell us a little bit about yourself. Everyone on here has thrown a little personal info about themselves on the board. You know, let the sun shine in. How come you never talk to us? Oh, you talk at us, but you never talk about the stuff you've been through, the places you've seen, the people you've known. Why not?

Yeah, yeah, you'll come back with some sarcastic response, but c'mon, we all know you've never imparted anything personal. Why not?

What are you afraid of?

C'mon, Madman, we won't bite.

No. Trolling would be me playing devil's advocate to get your goat. I'm being honest. The fact that it bothers you doesn't make me a troll.

Great. I couldn't agree more.

What the fuck is multiculturalism anyway? Serving burritos in the cafeteria? Why should I be so afraid of it? Should I run around, hysterically screaming at Mexicans? What should we do?!?!

What Michigan does is Michigan's problem. Sounds like a States Rights issue to me. I don't live in Michigan, so fuck 'em.

Really? Wow, I had no idea that the Christian Right had such a deep respect for separation of church and state in this country. Maybe it's because they don't. If it were up to the Christian Right, you'd go to jail for 2Live Crew records. Not that you shouldn't, but just not for the reasons that Christians would give you. And Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson didn't found this country, numb nuts. Revolutionaries did!

Yeah, well, that's their fuckin' problem. Not mine.

When have I ever touted Iran? Now you're just makin' shit up.

If it were up to the Christian Right, I wouldn't be too welcome for my religious beliefs. You bet your ass the idea makes me uncomfortable. I don't trust Christians. I know too many of them.

I don't care what the fuck people do, or what they believe, as long as they don't prevent me from mine. What the fuck? Have we lost sight of this?

Right and Left have done their share to fuck the values this country was founded upon, don't get mixed up in that. You can accuse the religious right of a lot of things....preserving your rights as an individual ain't one of them.

I know you haven't declared jihad, but you're a Muslim. If the Muslim problem is going to be solved, it is going to take Muslims. That means you.

Don't give me any bullshit either that you don't know many Muslims or don't have anything to do with other Muslims.

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I'm responsible for the shit I do. Me. And to a certain extent, the shit my kid does. That's it. That's where it ends. What responsibility do I have in the brutal acts of Islamic fanatics? I was sitting here and drinking my Oly and watching Serpico, m inding my own business and now all of a sudden I'm the ambassador to Islam. Fuck off.

I'm not saying you are responsible for the acts of the fanatical harcore Muslims. But, as a Muslim, there is a hell of a lot more you could be doing.

If Catholics were going around killing people every day, you can bet your ass other Catholics wouldn't tolerate it.

You Muslims don't seem to have ANY problem tolerating the worst in your own. Too many of you go out of your way to cover it up and lie about it. That has to stop.

The problem is most likely you are scared of your own. Religion of peace right?

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You're French, Martel. Do I come to you and blame you for the Congo? Should I blame you for Algeria? Can I blame you for the Vichy government? Why not? You're French, right? If you're one of those mythical upstanding Frenchmen we hear so much about but never see, why won't you stand up and say "I'm nothing like the French people you see on Fox News and in history class! I'm one of the good Frenchmen! But not that good of a Frenchman!!!" And hearing the words "mythical moderate muslim" just smacks a little too much like "Blood Jew" for my tastes. You start lumping a fifth of the world's population into a pigeonhole marked "EVIL", you start down a road that only has one end.

I'm not French. Not a drop. I'm insulted you would think I was French. At least I hope you didn't think French Canadian. The horror.... the horror.

Where are the moderate Muslims if you don't think they are "mythical"? The Muslim people in this country hold too many jihadist type sentiments. 26% of all Muslims 30 years of age and under in America think suicide bombing is acceptable.

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My point about the question about Manzanar is about our end game. What's the logical conclusion to all of this? What's the thing that no one wants to talk about? Are we heading for all out war with an entire group of people, who live in every major city on the planet? What will the ugly implications, the disgusting details boil down to? Police state? No privacy, military checkpoints, "Papers, please", no oversight for the overseers, lots and lots of detainments, imprisonments, marshal law, clamp-downs, the outings, the cries of "muslim sympathizer", the division drawn, the us or them, blah blah blah...

The police state crap is just that.... CRAP.

That's a typical response from you. Repeat left wing rhetoric of an impending police state every time combating terrorism is mentioned.

A good start would be to knock off all the political correctness and have an open public dialog regarding Islam. That needs to happen... for both the sake of American Muslims and non-Muslims. Political correctness provides cover for Islamic terrorists. They unfortunately use it to their greater advantage.

Another good start would be to pass a law requiring all religions... that includes Islam.... to declare every penny of income and where it originates (currently no religious institutions have to do that). If taxpayers are going to give any religious institution tax exempt status, they have a right to know where every penny of that money is coming from.

Same absolute disclosure for all foundations and every form of non-profit money and disbursements.

End the practice of mosques not allowing non-Muslims access to their services. If taxpayers are subsidizing them, then anyone and any taxpayer should be able to walk into any service at any time. That is not currently happening in many... and probably most mosques.

Terrorism thrives under our ridiculous and overly generous tax-exempt status and laws.

Profiling must be allowed at all security sensitive points. Maybe Israeli style profiling, but our current system is ridiculous.

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I say no. Americans live by example. People in this country have the choice to embrace the Constitution or reject it. It matters not in the end. Give me freedom, or give me death, but don't give me something in between. The American way of life is infectious, and if it doesn't catch on, then I'm happy to go down with the ship. But I want to do it with dignity, not pandering to compromise.

The American way of life USED to be infectious. it is NOT anymore.

There is too much encouraging people NOT to assimilate into the American way of life. The immigration experience is not like it was 100 years ago.

Today every immigrant group has a ready made grievance group or organization to help them hate and complain about their new home and make demands.

The only pandering going on in this country is to politically correct special interests. There is absolutely NO pandering going on in the direction of American values and what was long held American traditions and way of life.

Jeez... If you can't see a lot of that where you live in that Mexifornian shithole your city is turning into, there is either no hope for you, or you are completely full of shit.

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I'm not afraid of muslims, which is what sets you and I apart. I'm not afraid of the bogeymen hiding around every corner, plotting, planning. Look, I just want to be free to pursue my own end, and I ask to be held accountable for my own actions. I'm not afraid to die. No one can guarantee my safety. But the constitution guarantees my freedom, and the only thing I fear is that THAT will be taken away. No foreign invader can take that away from me! NO ONE CAN!!!

I'm not afraid of Muslims either. You're a Muslim and I could knock you over with my urine stream.

Your freedom is not being taken away. You listen to too much left wing bullshit. You're freedom doesn't have to be infringed just so the government can protect you. It's nice that you want to pursue your own ends. But not everyone in this country is out to pursue ends that would end nicely.

The world and the government doesn't revolve around your pursuit of your ends.

You aren't doing anything wrong are you? Are you on the phone with Iran or any other Middle East terrorist country or something on a regular basis? If so, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in such behavior.

The constitution also says the government is supposed to protect you from all enemies foreign and domestic. You have read it haven't you?

Maybe give it a shot when you're done reading commondreams.org or dailykos.

Now instead of Islam, Muslims and your anger, you want to turn the topic to me.

Alright. What do you want to know? Ask any question and I'll answer it. I'm not shy. You've never asked me anything so why should I volunteer anything to you. Especially you.

Am I a tough guy? That's not even something I ever think about. Maybe I have a NY attitude that tends to come across sometimes. I don't know. If I have to be a tough guy, I can be a tough guy. I'm not scared of anyone. But that's not me. I always have a smile on my face and a song in my heart.

Well... except when angry Muslims are nearby.

Again with the tough guy talk. You go down on your mom with that mouth?

(I'd say "your dad" but I know he wasn't around, and that might hurt your feelings.)

That was tough guy talk? You California guys must really be pussies. I thought it was a joke.

Don't bring mothers or fathers into this. I thought we were talking about Islam until you decided to jump into the thread and play flying Imam and turn everything on it's head.

What's with my Dad not being around? He looked fine when I saw him yesterday afternoon.

I'll tell him the Muslims were asking for him. I'm sure he'll be happy you're so concerned.

'Cause Islam didn't make you a fearful little dick. Your fucked up mom and your absent dad did.

At this point, I don't know if I can hear the sad details. Your life probably makes Silkwood sound like Toy Story.

Wow...what a privilege.
--What's your name?
--Where did you grow up?
--What were your parents like?
--When did your dad leave/pass away/whatever?
--Is your social dysfunction due to a lack of attention or too much attention?
--Who are your heroes?
--What do you do for a living?
--What have you done for a living before?
--Do you have an education, other than the online blogs and shit you read?
--Do you have friends? Seriously? What are they like?
--What do you do for fun?
--Do you like little girls or little boys?
--How come you never joined the military?
--What's your favorite color? (Dead muslim is NOT a color)
--How old are you?
--What would you consider your formative moment?
--What one word would you consider defines your personality?
--Are you in therapy? Have you had professional "help" in this regard.
--What is your favorite food?
--If you could forcibly rape and strangle any child actor, which one would it be and why? (Don't be shocked at this question, we know you've thought long and hard about it.)
--Which (sub)culture do you dislike the most--muslims, homosexuals, latinos, or leftists? Be honest.
--How much time do you spend on internet chat forums? Again, be honest.
--Do you chat on the internet about anything other than politics, religion, etc.?
--What's the deal with the snuff films? Seriously.
--Do your friends, family, etc. (if they care or exist at all) know how much time you spend online, warning people of the dangers that lurk around them?
--When was the last party you went to? What did you talk about at the party? Would you say you had a good time?

Okay...I've got a thousand more questions, but that should do it for now. Remember, you're a tough guy, so these questions shouldn't pose too much of a threat to such a tough guy.

Why me? What did I ever do to you? Hey, I didn't run out on your mom. Don't blame shift with me.

If you haven't figured out that I'm being sarcastic about you being a tough guy, then you've got issues. I mean, beyond the oedipal thing.

No. Ya can't. That's the point. Tough guys don't whine. Tough guys don't live in constant fear of the people around them. You don't get that you live in total fear, that you propagate and perpetrate fear. You have all this vitriol exactly because you're afraid. There's one thing I know, in all seriousness, and that is that you are absolutely, positively not a happy person. You are miserable. Every time you come on here to post, you leave behind the stench of fear and misery. Sorry, but them's the facts, kid. I know I'm not the only one that thinks this.

Yeah, I bet you're a real peach to be around. Even if you lie to us, you ain't lyin' to yourself, and I sure as shit ain't believing it.

The only fearful little dick here is you Shahram. You and that big chip on your shoulder. As usual you turned this thread away from the original subject of Islam to personal attacks.

You jumped right into the thread to change the subject and bust balls. God forbid people on the board talk about Islam.

You do this with every single Islam thread. That must be your "moderate Islamic" side shining through.

Careful with the Mom talk. Your Mom takes it in the ass and we haven't even seen Letterman's final few countdowns on the list yet. It can get ugly .... and messy, where your mother is concerned.

I'll answer your questions if it keeps your tampon in place................

--What's your name?……………….. NY Madman

--Where did you grow up?……………….Brooklyn and Staten Island

--What were your parents like? ………...... My parents are great. Allah has blessed me with a very nice family

--When did your dad leave/pass away/whatever?………..... My father is very much alive and doing well

--Is your social dysfunction due to a lack of attention or too much attention?....………. Nice try. Unlike you I have no social dysfunctions, chips on my shoulder, or victim mentality

--Who are your heroes?.....………….. Not something I've thought about a lot. At least not as a grown man. Do many grown men have heroes? They have people they admire. I kind of thought heroes were mostly within the realm of children. If you need an answer, I would say my father because he is the most honest man and the man with the most integrity I have ever known.

--What do you do for a living?.....……… I thought you said I lived in my parent's basement. That’s not the story anymore?

I do anything I want to do. I have a pension from the city. I have income from investments and private corporate entities. I made some money over the years and an inheritance enabled me to move out of the employee world.

There is still work involved. I own property and there is the usual routine property management issues and routine problems. I still do some home improvement type projects in the warmer months if and when they come along.

I’m sure I make a lot more than you do carting your Muslim ass everyday on some LA freeway to punch a clock for someone else.

--What have you done for a living before?...………….. Pizza/Restaurant, Home Improvement, Police Officer, IT Contractor, Home Improvement, Real Estate Investment, other misc. things

--Do you have an education, other than the online blogs and shit you read?.....…….. No. I quit school in grammar school asshole. That is why it is so hard for me to even put together a sentence.

I spent my formative years strumming on a banjo while strange people went canoing on a nearby river.

--Do you have friends? Seriously? What are they like?....………. Yeah, I have good friends. Like most people I have many acquaintances, but a circle of good friends I would trust with my life.

What are they like? They're fun and I'm sure, thankfully not like you. No big chips on their shoulders. None are Muslim either if that is useful to you.

--What do you do for fun?.......... Numerous things... I like casino gambling, restaurants, drinking in the bar with friends, woodworking, sex, sex while woodworking, sex at the bar with friends. They won't allow sex on the casino floor.

--Do you like little girls or little boys?..…………. Little girls on Saturdays, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. Little boys on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays.

--How come you never joined the military?...………… Was I supposed to join? Did you get my draft notice by mistake? Did you join? Do you know something that I don't?

Maybe I would have joined. That was definitely a possibility I thought about, but I joined another para-military organization at a young age called the NYPD.

--What's your favorite color? (Dead Muslim is NOT a color)......……. You blocked me on the choices there. Right away I would have said “Dead Muslim Red”. Wouldn't everyone? I guess I have to say Blue now.

--How old are you?......………... At this moment…..43

--What would you consider your formative moment?......………… Waking up in the hospital alive.

--What one word would you consider defines your personality?.......……….Amicable (Unless you are a jihadi Muslim. Then there could be trouble)

--Are you in therapy? Have you had professional "help" in this regard...…………... NO asshole.

--What is your favorite food?....………….. Too many foods I love. Maybe sautéed Broccoli Rabe w/sausage over penne.

--If you could forcibly rape and strangle any child actor, which one would it be and why? (Don't be shocked at this question, we know you've thought long and hard about it.)....………I've never thought about raping kids. You're a very sick bastard.

--Which (sub)culture do you dislike the most--muslims, homosexuals, latinos, or leftists? Be honest........…... It's definitely Muslims. Come on.... they fucking kill people every single day. You're one of them. But I forgot, you’re a “moderate Muslim”.

--How much time do you spend on internet chat forums? Again, be honest..............Overall, probably not as much as you. It depends on the day.

This is the only forum I post messages. Unlike you.

--Do you chat on the internet about anything other than politics, religion, etc.?....……………..No. Just what you see me post on this board. That is it.

--What's the deal with the snuff films? Seriously.....……….. I don't watch snuff films. You're like a little whining bitch still stuck on that one posting. You are a pussy.

--Do your friends, family, etc. (if they care or exist at all) know how much time you spend online, warning people of the dangers that lurk around them?.......……..I don't spend any more time posting on the internet than you do.

Is that how you see my posts… as warnings to people? I always thought it was a form of dialog. I don’t start most of these threads. I just respond with opinions and some useful info. If you as a “moderate Muslim” find that info offensive or problematic, that’s too bad. You can Fuck Off. Make an argument based on the information provided. If you can …. but you can’t. You know you can’t.

The information provided in this thread got zero response from you about the information provided. Yet somehow, you as a mythical “moderate Muslim” felt it was important to attack people like me for posting any useful or relevant information.

You’re a Muslim who is completely embarrassed to be a Muslim, but you can’t admit it to yourself, never mind anyone else.

In the time it took for me to respond to this post the next day…. How many people have Muslims killed in the name of Islam? You know your violent religion runs red with blood on a daily basis, yet instead of admitting the obvious, I’m the bad guy in your mind for stating the obvious.

You’re an asshole. Fuck Off and Fuck Allah…. And Fuck that Allah worshiping piece of shit that spawned you.

--When was the last party you went to? What did you talk about at the party? Would you say you had a good time?.....................Hey jerkoff.. If you actually had some friends, maybe you would have heard of a Superbowl Party.

We talked about a number of things. Some of it even included football. Duh!!

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If you haven't figured out that I'm being sarcastic about you being a tough guy, then you've got issues. I mean, beyond the oedipal thing.

How is anyone supposed to know what you are being sarcastic about?

You've done more crying and whining on this board than Britney being dragged into rehab. You left this board for a time crying because basically... you're a little cunt. You've bitched and moaned about police harassing you because of the color of your skin and your shorn head. You act like a little "victimized" twat. You've done more crying on this board than a colicky infant.

I couldn't care less what you think or what you consider a tough guy. I don't cry. I don’t bitch and I don’t whine and moan. I leave that to pussies like you.

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No. Ya can't. That's the point. Tough guys don't whine. Tough guys don't live in constant fear of the people around them. You don't get that you live in total fear, that you propagate and perpetrate fear. You have all this vitriol exactly because you're afraid. There's one thing I know, in all seriousness, and that is that you are absolutely, positively not a happy person. You are miserable. Every time you come on here to post, you leave behind the stench of fear and misery. Sorry, but them's the facts, kid. I know I'm not the only one that thinks this.

You can think whatever the fuck you want. I couldn't care less. I don't whine. I don't live in fear. I’m not you.

If you didn't like what was being discussed on here or the facts that are presented, you would reply with a legitimate or rational response. You rarely ever do that. You can't do that. You never do that when the subject is Islam.

You're a little sad sack of shit who knows he was born into a cult of insanity, but since you have some psychological issues related to your identity as a Muslim, you take it out on others who bring up the topic or present any type of valid information.

You attack the messenger, then you cry like a bitch. Poor little baby.

You haven't once addressed the subject in this thread. You haven't once presented a counter argument because you can't. As a Muslim you have no counter argument other than to attack others.

So much for the "moderate" or even apostate Muslim.

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Yeah, I bet you're a real peach to be around. Even if you lie to us, you ain't lyin' to yourself, and I sure as shit ain't believing it.

Again, I couldn’t care less what you believe. With that chip on your shoulder you are free to believe whatever the hell you want.

I bet you talk about pork rinds all the time with the thinking that it makes the Muslim thing go away. God knows you mention pork rinds here all the time as if they are your “anti-muslim shield”. As if all the pork rind talk will protect you from the Muslim stink. Almost as if you weren’t a lowlife Muslim.

If you are not going to talk about Islam and Muslims, stay the hell out of threads regarding Islam and Muslims. If you feel the need to join the topic, show us the mythical “moderate Muslim”. All you ever show is the angry Muslim.

... And your Muslim stink.

Dizzam! Like I said... dis gon' be good.

And Shahram...where are Muslims imprisoned for what they believe (other than by other tribes in Muslim countries)? I'm asking this in sincerity because I honestly don't know (not trying to be catty or anything). And don't go down the Gitmo Road, dude because everyone in the whole friggin' world knows that's a steaming load of crap. Give me an honest answer. Here's why I'm asking... because you fire all these arrows at "the Christian right" when in reality, Christians all over the globe are being persecuted as we speak simply because they are followers of Jesus Christ. Churches are burnt, lives are taken, people are imprisoned without charge and without trial. It happens daily. It's happening now in China, Indonesia, Myanmar, South America, Central America, all over the Middle East, Central Africa... so seriously. Tell me where Muslims are being persecuted other than by other Muslims? Because these evil, megalomaniacal right-wing Christians you hate with such fervor are truly suffering.

I really think you 2 guys should just kiss and make up! We all know you have a deep love for each other, just quit denying it anymore guys. You are just making us all suffer with this false bickering. Long distance relationships can work guys!

Seriously tho - I'd pay some serious coin to put you 2 guys in a room together and watch the fun!

Shahram -

Wow, what a huge dose of missing the point.

What is multiculturalism anyways? It's the new standard where it's now OK to not assimilate into American culture and instead turn the place you live into a tiny version of the shithole from where you came. I'm sure there's plenty of neighborhoods nearby you in SoCal where you can see what I mean.

Your attitude is one of total apathy on what other people do and you think that because other people don't feel that way, we're afraid of these other cultures creeping up on us.

I'm not afraid of much anything, except maybe leaning the truck at 28+ degrees on a sidehill over a drop off. That fucking scares me. I am concerned, however, about what this will do to our country eventually. The division between left and right in today's USA will pale in comparison to the division between multigenerational Americans and new Islamic neighborhoods, and all the little Mexicos that are popping up all over the country.

Muslims coming into this country won't be satisfied to be their own little niche of citizenry. They'll aspire for more - lots more. They'll expect us to adapt to their way of life, because they reject anything that is not muslim. Their religious beliefs allow them to lie, to kill, and martyr themselves for their religion. As the population grows, they'll get bolder and bolder, and we'll see a crop of homegrown terrorists that will threaten our national security.

Don't believe it? Look what's happened in London. In Madrid. Other places where muslims thought it was OK to blow up trains, busses.

If it comes to that here, you WON'T be free to pursue your own end. Will you care then?

He knows exactly what it means and in what context.

I agree with you regarding his sense of apathy, but it is almost beyond that. It is really an invidious sense of apathy.

The best part of his response was when he said he wasn't trolling.

So others can stay focused on their popcorn while Madman impresses us with his vocabulary:

in·vid·i·ous [ in víddee əss ]
adjective

Definition:
1. unjust: making or implying an unfair distinction

2. unpleasant: unpleasant because producing or likely to produce jealousy, resentment, or hatred in other people

Aw dang. That's not interesting. I thought Madman was telling us Shahram can make himself disappear.

Thank You BlueSky.

I'm sure the people in the cheap seats appreciate your generosity.

That was a highly magnanimous gesture on your part.

Definition:

It was mighty white of you.

That description automagically encrapsulated exactly what he was trying to say and endumbened it for the rest of us.

Hey, I know what magnanimous means. It's that really strong but light metal they make airplane parts out of. It burns real bright too so they make flares with it.

My plate:
FMAB2

Simple. Fuck 'em all but 2. My wife and I.

Fuck 'em all. Really

Wow, you sure like that word a lot!

I'd address the rest of your problems, but....I'm sure Claus can sum it up in one fell swoop. Eat a dick, you low rent Goebbels.

Actually that's two words

That's it?

That wasn't worth a bowl of popcorn...

Shahram's Troll-jo has been taken from him.

Good Stuff, very informative. If collage text books read like this thread, there would have been no putting em down.

Hell, I've been sitting here refreshing every 5 mins. since the last post.

Hint... Hint

Totally. I've been humbled. I couldn't troll to save my own life at this moment. I've been....castrated of the ability to offend.

We heard about you Shahram...we know where you live...

Good. Bitches had it coming.

Shahram

do you constantly deflect sincerity in real life too?

Why do you ask? Are you concerned that the Great Pumpkin might pass my pumpkin patch up this year?

Well let me tell you, there are three things I have learned never to discuss with people: politics, religion, and the Great Pumpkin.

And yet you still show up to troll every thread on those topics.

Somebody start a Great Pumpkin thread just to prove my point.

Ladies and gentlemen, the solution to the whole failure to assimilate is quite simple. If they won't join you, you invade them. I'm all for moving into a neighborhood that is blasting the prayer call and playing the bagpipes. I'll walk down the street in a kilt and order a bit of kabab or najudge (Phonetically spelled Arabic for chicken). Eventually I'll have the same impact as I did in the small Iraqi village of Umm Eneej - kids dancing to a very bad rendition of Scotland the Brave. I play Amazing Grace much better. There is nothing quite like the sound of the bagpipes broadcasting across the desert at night. Eventually the kids will start fucking and you'll have Arab looking kids with blue eyes named Andrew running around. Either that or they will move. If they react with violence, then you have proven that they are a violent people. Man, I really need to change my branch.

Coming to America
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Speaking of Islam......

One of the world's most famous.... or infamous for that matter... terrorist imams, Abu Hamza, is on his way to the United States.

He is being extradited to the US on terrorism charges.

Link....

He's famous not only for his support of jihad and Islamic terrorism and his speeches on the streets of London calling for the death of the West and all infidels...... but for his one eye and two hooks for hands.

He claims he lost his hands fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan but that is bullshit. They were blown off years ago while he was manufacturing a bomb.





Here he is in the picture below with one of his jihad warriors. Rumor has it that guy had the unfortunate job of holding Hamza's dick while he pissed and wiping his ass after he took a shit. It's a little rough doing that with a pair of hooks. They all have to make sacrifices for Allah....



In the photo below he is leading his jihad warriors in a public street service calling for the death of the West outside the Finsbury Mosque in London. They are just concluding the ass sniffing part of the ceremony...



A few members of his fan club...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMvOdgQ-1EQ

That's the new guest of the American taxpayer. For a while at least.

That fucker needs to be stood up against a wall and shot. Love the banner from his fan club

You gotta admit, for a bad guy, that's one bad lookin' bad guy. He's a Golan Globus movie casting agent's wet dream, this guy. They'd have casted him in Delta Force, but they were afraid he'd make Chuck Norris shit in his Action Jeans. Odd Job? Jaws? Fuckin' Bond movie bad guys are fuckin' fags compared to this dude. Darth Vader? Meh. Freddy Kreuger? Pfffft! This dude is like if Charles Manson and Ernst Blofeld had a baby, and then Candyman fucked the baby and knocked up the baby and then the baby shat out a one-armed scar-face hairy serial killer baby.

This dude would be that baby.

So, just to re-cap:



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...And knowing is half the battle!

Just the fact you put Chaka in there is funny as shit.

i didnt know that humans can have a hook as a hand for real!!

thought it was only allowed in peter pan

Not to mention that



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First Roy in the other post, now Chaka and Travis!
Damn you Shahram. Damn you!!!!!!!!