Presidential Campaign Roundup....

Latest developments....

The Republican candidates had another debate Sunday night in Florida. Here we have the top tier candidates smacking each other around a little. It's a bit entertaining.

In an amazing development, Mitt Romney's hair is not perfectly coiffed. Something must be afoot...



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The last Democrat debate was on Sept. 27. The most recent news on the Democrat side of the presidential race is Hillary Clinton\'s corrupt and shady fundraising practices.

Then there is Barry Hussein Obama's displays of patriotism that is creating a bit of a buzz. Actually, more correctly, his refusal to make overt displays of patriotism.

I'm sure we all remember Barry's recent comments where he states his refusal to wear an American flag pin on his lapel. He claims the flag lapel pin is a "substitute" for patriotism. Well, alright. We'll move on.

Maybe Barry Hussein also thinks that putting your hand on your heart during the playing of the national anthem is also some type of substitute for patriotism.

Here we see Barry and many other Democrat candidates at a steak fry hosted by Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa a few weeks ago during the playing of the national anthem. A picture can be worth a thousand words. He doesn't even make an effort to fake it....



The despicable Time Magazine even labeled the photo "Respect". Respect for what?

Here is a video of the event (The girl singing the National Anthem also leaves a lot to be desired).

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Chuck Norris has endorsed former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee for president.

Read his column...

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In the nothing has changed department....

Ron Paul and Mike Gravel are still crazy old cranks.



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In the tradition of comedian Pat Paulsen , Comedy Central's Steven Colbert has announced he is running for president... but apparently only in the South Carolina primary.





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That pretty much brings most of the race up to date.

The next Democrat candidate primary debate is October 30, on MSNBC in Philadelphia.

Pretty sad state of affairs.

If you didn't know better you'd think this was the next comedy blockbuster coming out.

Kind of strange that it's almost like Obama is running on an Anti-America platform, probably not a good idea.

I call BS on the Time photo...something seems wrong with it....Richardson is facing a completly differnt way than the rest... and the edges of each person seem odd...as does the flag...I can't watch the video here at work so I may be completely off base but...

Not sure about what you see in the photo or what direction Richardson is facing. He's just looking into the crowd at that instant. The video basically shows the same thing.

Here are two screenshots. Richardson is here in the first.....



We also have a screenshot of the "silky pony" standing between Chris Dodd and "Xerox Joe" Biden...

I stand corrected..the photo does appear legit then...looks like (from that screen grab) that Edwards is also not putting his hand on heart...though hard to tell from that angle...But as to Obama??? F him....

Well...Obama IS Cheney's 8th cousin....

I bet old Uncle Dick is shaking his head wondering how the hell THAT happened....

News Update:

Fred Thompson has just announced his immigration policy...

Border Security and Immigration Reform Plan

It includes:

-- No Amnesty and Attrition through Enforcement

It's good that he got that down as written policy.

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On another note.... the disgraceful US Senate is bringing back amnesty for illegal aliens through a stealth tactic known as the DREAM ACT tomorrow afternoon.

Call your senators.

So not put your hand on your heart makes you unpatriotic?

Please. :rolleyes:

At best it makes you disrespectful of the National Anthem and the flag. It always astounds me how many doofuses don't remove their ballcaps at a game when the anthem is played.

We live in a nation where you can pretty much do what you want, well you used to anyway. If more people paid respect to the very nation that gives them that freedom, then maybe someday we will get back to the level of freedom we once had.

I think the key to his policy is the streamlining of the existing immigration procedures.

I liked a lot of what he said on the florida debate. Romney and Guiliani spent the entire time joking, attacking each other, and skirting all the questions. All the other candadites at least attacked the question.

We're in trouble again though if this is all we have combined with the "hillary" threat in 08. Our nation is going to decline further.

Flag etiquette requires that one not in uniform place the right hand the their heart and face the flag while the national anthem is being played. One wearing a hat should remove the hat, hold it in the right hand and place it so the hat is covering the heart.

At public events, the flag should be placed on the right hand side of the stage, the left hand side of the audience.

Thus, in this picture, all of the candidates should be facing the flag to our left. Richardson isn't doing so. All should have their right hand over their hearts. Obama Hussein doesn't.

Screw the flag.

(lets see how many think I'm being serious)

It's a blatant and overt sign of disrespect.

For a guy who is running for president to act in this manner says an awful lot about his character.

I understand that he is standing in front of an audience of Democrats, but even he knew that by standing up on that stage all eyeballs and cameras would be looking up at him. He didn't care. He intentionally chose to be disrespectful.

If a guy can't even bring himself to show the proper respect during the national anthem while on the campaign trail, there is no way in hell he is worthy of any elected office.

Yes, it is disrespectful.

Choke on a drumstick and die.

(lets see how many think I'm being serious)

WTF is a "steak fry"? Like chicken fried steak? I've never heard of a chicken fried steak party...

AAR, I'm pretty much repulsed by some aspect of all the candidates... Giuliani is one of the closest to my libertarian leanings - but he's for gun control.

Why aren't there any candidates that are both pro-gun and pro-choice at the same time? Heck - if you aim carefully perhaps you could combine the two things

I can't really answer as to what type of food is served or how it is cooked.

I do know that Tom Harkin ("Tommy the Commie" as some in Iowa refer to him) has this so-called "Steak Fry" every year. It is really a Democrat political fundraiser because people have to pay anywhere from about $25 to $500 to attend.

Giuliani is NOT libertarian nor does he have what can be considered libertarian type leanings. Are you referring to his pro-illegal immigrant stance as being libertarian?

Bill Richardson is pro-gun and pro-choice.

News Update:

The backdoor illegal alien amnesty known as the Dream Act has failed in the Senate 52-44.

Presidential candidates who voted in favor of the Dream Act illegal alien backdoor amnesty bill are...

- Obama (D-IL)
- Clinton (D-NY)
- Biden (D-DE)

Presidential candidates who did not vote are:

- McCain (Scum-AZ)
- Dodd (D-CT)

McCain hasn't shown up for work in the Senate in how long now?

It's going to be a long, ugly year ahead.

McCain was in the Senate today. He voted in favor of the Southwick confirmation this morning (Clinton, Obama and Biden voted against him).

We all know why he didn't vote on this backdoor amnesty bill. His position on illegal immigrants and his behavior and strong arm tactics in favor of illegal aliens during the last amnesty debacle in the Senate has killed his campaign.

Never thought I'd have much to say about politics, but I met Fred Thompson this afternoon. He came to Bluffton to have lunch and make a couple of appearances.

Initial impressions... very nice man! I appreciate the fact that actually looks you in the eyes when he talks to you. Also a very confident speaker... didn't have any problems answering the usual questions... immigration, taxes, etc.



Sorry if the pic's a bit fuzzy but I had my coworker take it with my Treo.

On a side note, I overheard someone who met Rudy Guillani a couple of months ago say "Rudy's got the same talent Bill Clinton does. He'll answer your questions by telling you exactly what you want to hear, when its over you're not exactly sure what the answer means, but you'll wind up feeling good." Now that's interesting!

No it's not.

If he and Clinton (or whoever) were sitting there gabbing at that point...THAT would be disrespectful.

It might be a good time for an update. A lot has happened in the past week or so.

The Democrats had their debate last Tuesday night and it did have it's interesting moments. You can view the entire debate by clicking the link below...

Democrat Candidate Debate - Tuesday Oct.30 (1 hour 47 minutes)

It was somewhat telling that they didn't allow candidate Mike Gravel to participate in the debate. Any ideas on who's campaign fought to keep him out?

Most of the debate was the usual Bush bashing, the need for socialist style government programs, more government, more government, more government and some more government. However some candidates seized the opportunity to attack frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

It was a bad night for Hillary Clinton. She started what could be the beginning of some serious damage to her campaign. She completely faltered and was taken aback by having to take a stance on the very controversial issue of drivers licenses for illegal aliens currently exploding in New York State politics.

Here is a video recap of what occurred.....



As you can see from the clip, a couple of her opponents are smelling blood.

To make matters worse, her campaign stated the following day that she supports NY Governor Spitzer's plans to give drivers licenses to illegal aliens. In the week since, she is now supporting any state that issues drivers licenses to illegal aliens. Regardless of the fact that the public is furious over this issue.

Now, adding insult to injury, her campaign did nothing but complain that the media moderators of the debate and Tim Russert should not have asked her such questions and her campaign has been acting like crybaby whiners that Hillary was somehow treated unfairly at the debate.

Hillary went from presidential candidate to 'victim mode' within a matter of hours after the debate. Some of her people complained she was unfairly treated and some have complained that she should not be confronted by even her opponents because she is a woman and it is men ganging up on the female.

Well, if she can't handle tough questions by the media in a debate, or attacks from her Democrat opponents, she can't handle being president.

Many liberals and others on the left saw both Hillary's performance and the Democrat position regarding illegal aliens as political suicide because almost all of the public is angry and fed up.

Here is what a liberal blogger and journalist had to say on the issue....

http://thegarance.com/archives/885

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Hillary Clinton was questioned about the fact that the archives related to her years as First Lady are sealed and locked away and cannot be viewed by the public until well after the next election.

Well, why is that? The public needs to know. She is claiming her years as First Lady as part of her experience for the presidency, yet the Clintons refuse to release documents related to her. She hypocritically claims the Bush administration is secretive, yet refuses to release documents related to her so-called experience or years as First Lady.

Here is a clip where Barry Obama slams her on that secrecy... (then he can't help himself and goes on to the usual liberal talking points about healthcare and climate change).



Hillary Clinton's poll numbers have dropped in the first primary state of New Hampshire since last Tuesday's debate. She's still in the lead, but her lead is not as wide.

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Dennis Kucinich has seen a UFO. It's interesting considering many have always thought he was from outer space....

Fred Thompson seems to be the only candidate with a serious immigration plan. One that almost all the voters would get behind. At least all Republicans, Independents, and many old style Democrats.

You can view it here.....

http://www.fred08.com/virtual/Immigration.aspx

Also.... another point...

Fred is the only candidate who brings up the issue regarding VOTER FRAUD with giving illegal aliens drivers licenses....



You will NEVER see any Democrat discussing that aspect.

NY Madman-

"Most of the debate was the usual Bush bashing, the need for socialist style government programs, more government, more government, more government and some more government. However some candidates seized the opportunity to attack frontrunner Hillary Clinton."

Bingo! I watched almost the entire debate. I was torn between utter disgust and wanting to throw my remote at the TV. Another Bush-bashing fest. Not ONE stated what they are going to do for the country. All they did for 2 hours was criticize Bush.

Should we have a pity party for Hillary now? Boo-fookin' Hoo. When she wants to be seen as tough and cut throat it is ok, but when the heat is focused on her and the others point out her inconsistencies, they are deemed as piling on her.

Edwards looks more like a tool than ever.

Socialism is where we are headed.

S.

Check out what he looks like in this video.....

Democrats major campaign slogan: "Hey, we're NOT George Bush!"

Republicans major campaign slogan: "Hey, we're not Hillary Clinton!"

Where o where are the credible independents this time around? If ever a Ross Perot type (not him specifically - GOD no...) were to appear, this would be the year they just might stand a chance.

Was there ever a credible independent candidate?

Ross Perot was ahead of both Clinton and Bush in the polls in 1992 for a couple of months. He then fucked up his own campaign.

You might have an independent candidate for president this year. In fact I am going to go out on a limb and say that it will happen.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York most likely is going to run for president. He says he will not, but I would bet he is going to do it.

He has an ego the size of Manhattan. Maybe some of it is deserved because he has achieved much in the business world. He is extremely rich. No one knows for sure how much money he has, but it is somewhere between $6 billion and maybe $12 billion or more.

He doesn't need a single penny in campaign donations from anyone. He can completely self finance a campaign from his own pocket and kick in more money than the combined war chests of both the Republican and Democrat parties without feeling a thing in his wallet.

He's also very liberal. He hates guns. He hates the fact that you own guns. He hates the fact that you can walk into a store and buy a gun. He's a nanny state politician. He firmly believes in the power of government to tell you that you can't smoke and the power of government to tell you what you can and can't eat. He believes in the politics of global warming to expand government and give it more control over your life.

He would present a huge problem for the Democrats. Many voters who lean liberal or Democrat, but don't particularly like Hillary Clinton would vote for Michael Bloomberg.

Be on the lookout for him to announce his candidacy for president sometime in February after Super Tuesday.

Things could get interesting.

That's why I vote Libertarian. Democrats and Republicans are different sides of the same medal.

Perot was a credible candidate until he picked an insane running mate.

I agree with that statement... Republicans are looking to make government bigger and to take away a certain list of freedoms while Democrats are looking to make the government bigger and to take away a different list of freedoms.

So what do you think?

A lot has happened over the last week. Barry Obama won the Iowa Caucuses and will win the New Hampshire Primary tomorrow.

Hillary Clinton is starting to sink in the national polls. She's still ahead, but her numbers are getting lower. I can just imagine all the lampshades and other objects she must be smashing against the walls of her office in the last day or so. She was even shedding tears today.

There is now a report that she may leave the race before the embarrassment gets any worse.

I have to say, I'm not really buying it. She has raised $100 million dollars. She has been running for president basically since 1992. We haven't even had two states vote yet on the Democrat side and the media machine is starting to write her off as dead and buried.

I can't see her leaving until after Super Tuesday on Feb. 5. It's not really making sense.

One thing is for sure with both parties.... the media themselves are trying to pick the winners on both sides early on.

Will Hillary Clinton stay in the race and fight it out? Will we see dirty campaign tactics such as Hillary claiming Obama has an illegitimate white baby?

I think if Obama keeps his foot out of his mouth and continues with his plastic campaign where he never says anything deeper than what you read on a Hallmark get well card, he should sew it up. It's proof that Hillary is too polarizing, even for her own party, and she's continually being exposed for her dirty campaign tricks.

On the Republican side, Jeez, I hope Huckabee doesn't get the nomination. He'll make a killing in the south, in Texas, and much of the heartland, which might win him the nomination due to the rest of the states with the greater # of delegates being split on Romney and McCain. I don't think Guliani will hang (thankfully). Thompson should quit now.

In the "lesser of the evils" mantra which is American presidential politics, I'm still pulling for Romney. I'm not his biggest fan, but at least he's not a career senator. Barry is far too much of a socialist. Everyone wants to vote for him on his 'nice guy' platform. That's the same thing that got Jimmy Carter in office, and we saw what happened there.

But's he's as big, if not a bigger, flip-flopper than Kerry.

What I want to hear is their plan to get us out of debt. We spend so much on social programs that we are going to go bankrupt when the baby boomers hit 80.

Yeah, I know.

Like I said. It's the "lesser of the evils" campaign. I perceive that to be the lesser of those evils.

Pretty sad, huh?

At this point, anyone but Clinton or Guiliani.

Or Huckabee... or Obama... or Edwards.

We are really fucked this year.

Social programs aren't what's putting us into debt.

(Social security and Medicaid come from their OWN tax - a payroll tax).

It's giving all our money to rebuild places like Iraq. Rebuild at home before you spend it somewhere else.

Thank God.

Restores my hope in the voter.

NO DOUBT! Whenever that guy goes on with his "we need change" crap, I can't help but think of all of the lame student body president campaign speeches from Jr. high through high school.

"if you make me president, I promise to require 2 cookies in school lunches, etc"

Obama scares the shit out of me on the 2nd amendment. We are in a heap of trouble if he gets elected since he treats the constitution like it's written with an eraser-mate.

I think she can still recover.

She needs to jazz up exactly what she wants to accomplish. If healthcare is a new right that Democrats want to invent, why not High Definition TV for everyone. That should also be a right.

There will always be "two Americas" if some people have to watch standard definition on old fashioned 32" screens. It's an outrage that some people have to suffer like that in the wealthiest nation on earth. Government funded 60" HDTV sets for everyone.

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Here is a good video which tells us what happened when the Democrats were forced to meet the Republicans in the debate the other night....

Click image..




"John Edwards... What is that intoxicating smell?"

"Calvin Klein mixed with the sweat of mill workers"

Even though the media made a big deal about it, I am still impressed with Obama's ability to get so many people to show up to a caucus and vote in an ALL WHITE state; Iowa looks to be almost as white as my small mountain town. Says something about his power to make people believe, even though they probably don't really understand what he (and hence they) believe in. Good speaker, no, great speaker; that would be a change...

Thank god he may knock Hilary out, that woman scares the shit out of me. If she does get out early, it may just be because she will want to "live to fight another day" for lack of a better term. I think she will stay till super-duper Tuesday, but man if she doesn't, everybody can come have a beer at my house, cause I'll be celebrating.

Don't like Romney still, reminds me too much of Kerry; and I think Mormonism is a cult, and will continue to hold that against him (and every other mormon) to be perfectly honest. In the lesser of two evils I would vote for him if I had to.

Huckabee is interesting. For a "conservative" he has some pretty liberal views. Boy does he have an uphill battle though.

Should be fun to see how this cookie crumbles.

That wasn't the power of Obama. That was the power of Oprah. She is god, you know. I love it how Oprah shows up to Obama's rallies, and then all of a sudden she becomes more black. She starts using her black Pentecostal minister voice and blabbing in her best martin Luther King Jr. voice about "he is the one". Okay, okay... we know you live in Lalaland, Oprah, but Barack is not Neo. I've seen the Matrix. I own the movies. And he, ma'am, is no Neo.

Oh, and Mobycat.... I'm glad you don't like Billary. But I have to disagree with you about your flag comment. To me, refusing to salute the flag (for military or former military) or put your hand on your heart (the rest of us) is equivalent to spitting in the face of all those who have fought and bled and died for our common right to display that same flag. A person may not agree with the current state of affairs in this nation, but if you are running for elected office, you have a requirement to respect that flag and what it represents. Proper and formal protocol requires either a salute or a hand on the heart. If a Presidential Candidate doesn't/can't show that simple respect, he should never be allowed to set foot in the Oval Office.

It was impressive that an all white state went for Obama. Another almost all white state will vote for him tomorrow.

That may be bad news for the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the country. It kind of puts a cringe in their lucrative "all white people are racists" racial extortion industry.

I still don't see what the big deal is about Obama. He never says anything substantive. He talks nothing but hot air and platitudes.

When he does say something, he embarrasses himself but no one really seems to be listening to anything he says when he does actually say something.

In the debate the other night he said the success of the troop surge in Iraq was because the Democrats were elected to Congress last year. WTF?


Then he said the "Anbar Awakening" in Iraq was the Sunnis attempting to make nice with the Shia. WTF?

He has no comprehension of what is going on.

The press doesn't even call this guy on his complete lack of knowledge on what the fuck is going on over there.

I have to say.... I am in no way a Hillary supporter, but if we have to have a Democrat president.... Hillary is better than the other two. The other two guys are dangerous and completely out of their element.

Sadly, I agree.

Wow, next you and the others of your ilk will want to hug Cindy Sheehan.

Just messin' with you.

Myself, I'd like to suit her up and ship her to Iraq to sniff out IEDs.

For a second there, I was thinking, "where did THAT come from?" But then I realized how old this isn't a new thread.

I currently pay about $300 a month in Social Security and Medicaid taxes. I resent that. I could be putting that money into a retirement fund that will generate interest, rather than something that generates negative interest. Realize that if I put money into a market account, any money left when I bite it can be given to my survivors. Not so much with Social Security. Now, if these programs worked like that, then I'd be less hostile about it - it would be an account for my money. Instead, it is taken from me and dispersed to other people, on the basis that future generations will pay for me. How backward is that? Can I buy my next car like that? "Don't worry, my grandchildren will pay you for this car."
I agree with you on the expense of rebuilding Iraq. We give these fuckers way too much, and they want more. Sounds like the welfare crowd at home. Of course here, I have a bit more influence. I can tell them "no". They want a few gallons of diesel? Find me the damn rocketeers. You want a well in your village so you don't have to drink from the polluted canal? Find me the assholes that are transporting IEDs. I make people work to get the benefits - and it's not easy work either. It might get them killed, but at least I know they really want those benefits. How many blood sucking welfare people are willing to put their lives on the line, as well as their family, to receive those benefits?

Maybe we all should vote for this guy...

Don't forget this guy!

The beginning of the end for the Ron Paul Revolution....

Many have always wondered why Ron Paul attracts such a "diverse" following which includes neo-nazi's, KKK types, anti-semites, conspiracy nutjobs of all stripes including the 9-11 truther crowd, extreme anti-war zealots, etc.

Maybe those questions can now be answered.

The New Republic has been wondering why so many fringe groups are attracted to Ron Paul and thinks they have an answer. They have gone back and checked many of his past writings and a newsletter he used to publish. Their conclusions are not pretty for a guy running for president.

If Paul was a major candidate, his campaign would be completely dead because of these allegations.

Keep in mind it is TNR, but we will see if any of this information gains legs. They will also be publishing the transcripts of Paul's papers.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

Some more here....

http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/ron_paul.php

This could also explain why he refused to return campaign donations from the neo-nazi leader of Stormfront.

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Bill Clinton ran into some Paulbots in New Hampshire last night.

The Paulbots screamed 9-11 was an inside job. Clinton rightfully said they were nuts.

Hmmm....
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41721

and

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/271207_smear.htm

and

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010808_yellow_journalism.htm

Every politician has "bots" doesn't mean everyone who likes a certain politician is a nut job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfdq6hoe-XY&feature=related

People must be getting scared of Paul????

Just for the record show me where Paul himself has stated that 9/11 was an inside job as I have never seen it?

Please also keep in mind that Bill White claimed responsibility for Columbine.....

Pauls behavior is too erratic. He sounds good 1 second then lets his staff (or himself) make odd choices.

And I dont get his supporters either. If he does have a good message, its lost in all the stupidity of the folks who like him.

From all accounts he has one of the most consistent voting records in politics so I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that he is "erratic" but I agree that the "truthers" etc. aren't helping his cause. I like a lot of what the man says. I like a lot of what Obama says, and several others... Long as it's not Clinton or Guilani.. I can't stand those two. I cringe thinking about either as president.

I also have to ask, though I don't consider myself a dyed in the wool Ron Paul Supporter (I think we could do worse), do you actually know any first hand? I'd wager I'm the closest thing you got? Read a lot of my past posts on various subjects and tell me honestly if you think I'm a "nutjob"?

I think every politician has their "loony" groups. I don't think it's just Paul, hell the NRA is rife with nutjobs and they are one of the biggest special interest groups out there...

I am a Ron Paul supporter and I'm perfectly normal!!!

Case in point.

Well you just blew my whole defense out of the water....thanks...

True, but Ron Paul has attracted a small army of nutjobs from all types of persuasions.

Posting links from Prison Planet is not helping your case Samuel. Alex Jones is one of the biggest lunatics in the country. Everything is a government conspiracy with that guy. He is a disturbed individual. It's also possible he could be pretending to be a conspiracy nut because he sees a large market within the public for making money off of conspiracy nuts. Either way, he has no credibility whatsoever.

I'm actually very surprised you would even read web sites like Prison Planet. Maybe that could explain why lately you seem to see everything through a doom and gloom lens. Do yourself a favor and avoid the conspiracy nutjob sites like prison Planet and forget about Alex Jones.

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People must be getting scared of Paul????

No one is getting scared of Ron Paul. He has absolutely no chance of winning. There is no reason to be scared of him. He is a crackpot.

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Just for the record show me where Paul himself has stated that 9/11 was an inside job as I have never seen it?

I have never said that Ron Paul has made those claims. I said he attracts all the 9-11 conspiracy nutjobs.

Madman,

I didn't even know about the racist allegations until I read your post. I then did a quick Google search and those are just some links that came up. I have no clue about Alex Jones or the Prison Planet site. I figured them no worse than TNR though.

However it is true that the Times retracted their story about Paul. So some of the info is legit.

I posted a long time ago some of Ron Paul's old writings and said he was racist and hated blacks and Jews.

The fact that he refuses to return money from neo-Nazi's should tell you something about the guy.

His excuse is that he can't control who gives him money. That is true. But when it is discovered that some of his donors are among the biggest cretins in the country, a respectable politician would return the money.

The guy is still fighting the Civil War for Christ sakes. He has no concept of history or the present... hence he is a crackpot.

Here is a video from him on Tim Russert's Meet the Press about 3 weeks ago. He thinks we could have bought the slaves and avoided the war. The guy is a clueless kook...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOE4Ip7In0

In about 10 years you'll see him in a nursing home in Texas wearing a Confederate General's uniform cursing Lee for surrendering.

I don't think such a person exists!

Maybe. Certainly not this election year.

Speaking of Ron Paul..... He's on TV right now giving a speech to his crowd in NH.

He mentioned getting rid of the Federal Reserve again.

He mentioned the Iranian speed boats yesterday. He said there is no way those small boats could have beeen a threat.

I guess Ron Paul never heard of the USS Cole that had a huge hole blown into it and 17 guys killed. All from a little rowboat.

The guy is beyond a kooky cartoon character.

You say that like it\'s a bad thing

That's one thing I do agree with him on. Too bad he has all the other kooky crap like his views on Iraq

It would be a bad thing in our modern complex financial system.

There are even people out there that have all kinds of kooky and wacky conspiracy theories regarding the Federal Reserve.

I don't know if Ron Paul subscribes to any of them, but you may be able to check some photocopies of some of his writings in PDF format at the link here.....

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129

Hillary Clinton wins New Hampshire for the Democrats....



This has to make you wonder about the ethics and the overall agenda of most of these people in the media.

With only one state caucus occurring for the Democrats last Thursday, almost every major media outlet dropped Hillary Clinton like a hot potatoe. They declared her campaign dead. They practically proclaimed Obama as the second coming of the messiah. WTF?

It didn't matter that the Democrats had 49 other states ahead of them. The media was picking their winner.

I'm no fan of Hillary, but the media is being a complete disgrace. Even to their favored political party.

And another thing..... What about all those so-called polls the media was touting that said Obama was so far ahead in New Hampshire? What was that all about? The polls couldn't have been more wrong. At least on the Democrat side of things.

Some of these media scum and the pollsters have some explaining to do.

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On a lighter note........

Barry Obama as the candidate of "change" will be changing his campaign theme song.

He makes people feel good. Even as the candidate of change, no one knows what the hell he is going to change, but he makes Democrats feel good. It's all about how you feel. He turns Democrats night into day.....

"He rode a blazing saddle
He wore a shining star
His job to offer battle, to bad men near and far

He conquered fear and he conquered hate
He turned dark night into day
He made his blazing saddle a torch to light the way"



"He conquered fear and he conquered hate
He turned dark night into day
He made his blazing saddle a torch to light the way"

I think he said the President is near.

"CandyGram for Hillary"

Look at this hand!

It's steady as a rock?

Yeah, but I veto with this hand......

Gavin Newsome! ...oh wait, he's an adulterer and liar.

Bill Clinton! ...oh wait, he's an adulterer and liar.

Ted Kennedy! ...oh wait, he's an alcoholic, muderer, adulterer and liar.

Dianne Feinstein! Barbara Boxer! Nancy Pelosi! ...oh wait, they're all wacko, tree-huggin', uber-liberal man-haters.

Screw it. You're right.

I still don't get why all states don't have their caucuses at the same time.... Texas' isn't until March 8th - why even bother having one by that time?

Hey Desert Rat: I know you hate McCain.... what are your thoughts if it comes down to him VS Obama or Hillary (well, I can guess on the Hillary one)?

I'm so conflicted.... there is at least one thing that I hate about all the candidates... I'm having trouble picking one. Not that it matters.... when it comes to the real election, Texas will go to the republican candidate... period.

I'm shuddering at the thoughts of McCain being elected.

As far as Hillary vs. Obama... I'm just glad she stole a little of his thunder yesterday. I really don't want either one of them running away with it.

Your state is coming up soon.

I hope everyone down there feels the same way about McCain as you do. I can't stand that scumbag either.

I posted this in another thread, but it fits here better...

Honestly, I think every single one of the Republicans in this election are "also-rans". I don't think a single one of them can overcome the Billary / Obama machines, and Ron Paul is just enough of a factor to work to take votes away from the only potential Republican candidates. Add to that a general national disgust with the current administration and a deep desire because of that disgust to try anything other than a conservative Republican. The Dems have it in the bag. God help us.

You're gonna be surprised come election... SO many people don't want a women or a black man in office regardless of their affiliation and that's the sad truth of the matter. It will be a republican in office simply because of that fact alone.

I can't stand Hillary or Guilani so I won't vote for them. I can't stand Obama's stance on gun control and a few other issues so I doubt I'd vote for him. That leaves one of the reps, and the only two I really like pretty much don't have a chance anyway. Chances are I probably won't vote at all....again...

The Dems big battle cry is "time for change" but I'm not seeing anything that I consider change. Just more of the same rhetoric. The reps for the most part are just driving forward with a status quo approach as usual which also leaves bile in my throat.

I guess all in all, anyone but Guilani or Hillary and I'll be happy, though I won't cast a vote for any of the current "front runners" anyway.

I read somewhere that we don't have two teams looking for our vote, but one team playing shirts and skins......

Is Hillary playing skins?



"Hey.... Where the white women at?"

You might be surprised at this, but I'd take Hillary over Obama anytime.

Obama has no platform. His campaign speeches are extremely shallow and offer no direction on policy. He campaigns on slogans of Hope and Change alone without truly elaborating what those changes are.

Facts: Hillary and Obama are both anti-2nd amendment rights and Hillary has gone so far as to support potential UN resolutions that would impact US citizens and their right to bear arms. Both want socialized medicine, and while I haven't heard much on Obama's plan, Hillary wants you to pay for it directly, but only if you're in an income bracket to afford it.

To me the worst of the republicans are still better than the best of the dems. I have two big hangups with McCain: His temper and his pro-amensty stance on illegal immigration. Still, I'd vote for him over Obama and Hillary.

As I've stated previously in this thread, the lesser of all evils concept has me pulling for Romney. If Huckabee gets the nomination, that will pose the biggest dilemma of all, as I don't think someone that far on the right should be running this country either, and evengelicals should honestly stay in church and out of politics.

As for Rift's comments, I'm not so sure that Hillary or Obama could run away with this. Hillary will draw a lot of people out to vote against her. Obama....at some point he's going to have to start showing some substance.

The cross party debates will be interesting after the primaries if he wins the nomination. I think McCain and Romney could tear him up. Huckabee...not so much.

John McCain is just as bad as any Democrat.

He supports all these international treaties that would harm US sovereignty like Law of the Sea Treaty, the International Criminal Court, the entire global warming fraud and all the international treaties and massive expenses that would go along with that.

There is much more about McCain, but he is just as bad or worse than any Democrat.

That's why the media loves him. He's the "maverick".

...do you want her to...?
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Interesting interview of former Sen. Rick Santorum by Hugh Hewitt discussing John Mccain.

Link...

Santorum knew McCain in the senate and nails him...

• Well, number one, John McCain will not get the base of the Republican Party. I mean, there was a reason John McCain collapsed last year, and it’s because he was the frontrunner, and everybody in the Republican Party got a chance to look at him. And when they looked at him, they wait well, wait a minute, he’s not with us on almost all of the core issues of…on the economic side, he was against the President’s tax cuts, he was bad on immigration. On the environment, he’s absolutely terrible. He buys into the complete left wing environmentalist movement in this country. He is for bigger government on a whole laundry list of issues. He was…I mean, on medical care, I mean, he was for re-importation of drugs. I mean, you can go on down the list. I mean, this is a guy who on a lot of the core economic issues, is not even close to being a moderate, in my opinion. And then on the issue of, on social conservative issues, you point to me one time John McCain ever took to the floor of the United States Senate to talk about a social conservative issue. It never happened. I mean, this is a guy who says he believes in these things, but I can tell you, inside the room, when we were in these meetings, there was nobody who fought harder not to have these votes before the United States Senate on some of the most important social conservative issues, whether it’s marriage or abortion or the like. He always fought against us to even bring them up, because he was uncomfortable voting for them. So I mean, this is just not a guy I think in the end that washes with the mainstream of the Republican Party.

He also mentions the possibility of a clear front runner not emerging for the Republicans after Super Tuesday and a nominee not being determined until the convention in September.
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I think that would be the best thing for the party. No clear front runner and the nominee chosen at the convention.

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There is also another Republican candidate debate tonight at 9PM EST on Fox News.

One of the worst people in all of media, Chris Matthews, was saying on a radio show in Boston that the people in New Hampshire didn't vote for Obama because .... basically, they're racists.

You can listen at the link below. When the page loads click to start the audio...

Link...

I guess the public is going to be beaten over the head by some of these media vermin with accusations of racism in every primary race that Obama loses. If you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist.

And Santorum does??

That's a scary thought right there.

Regardless of what you think of Santorum, he is EXACTLY right on McCain.

McCain is one of yours.

I don't think him being black or Hillary being a woman is an issue except in the minds of people who want it to be an issue (Otherwise, Edwards would be winning). I'll bet that a-hole voted for Obama just because he's black... which is also racist

At this point I'm kind of hoping Bloomberg enters the race.

Why?

He is a very liberal guy. He just temporarily used the Republicans to get his foot into the mayor's office, then left the party.

He's very left wing. He's the last guy in the world you would ever want as president. He has no respect for individual rights, the constitution or your liberty.

He's a controlling nanny state guy. He wants the government to dictate everything from what you can eat, to removing your cigarettes and guns.

It used to be a lot cheaper living in NY before Bloomberg.

He's probably one of the politicians in this country I hate the most.

Fred Thompson wins South Carolina Debate

Fred kicked ass in last nights debate. It was the best performance of any candidate in any of these debates so far.

In the video below he bitch slaps European style Christian Democrat Socialist candidate Mike Huckabee....



Fred's only mistake is that he didn't attack John McCain.

Looks like Fred's starting to get serious.

Mostly because I think he would be better then Obama and Hillary and I think he could win. I don't think any of the current Republicans can win. I would prefer Fred or Newt.

Oh yee of little faith.

You have to be optimistic bro.

Also... Bloomberg wouldn't win a presidential race. He's extremely wealthy, but he is a short, very liberal, Jewish guy from New York.

With all the hatred for Jews and Zionist type conspiracy bullshit out there, he is not a Jewish guy that could win. Not a multi-billioniare Jewish media mogul. It's not going to happen.

The Republican party would be committing suicide by allowing Huckabee to win the nomination.

He's horrible.

The media loves him and pushes him because they know he will hurt the party and lose to the Democrats.

He's got a lot of bad things in his past. He seems to have some problems with his family too.

10 years ago when one of his son's was 17, he put a rope around a tree at a Boy Scout camp and hung a stray dog. Huckabee had his state police cover the whole thing up. Even fired a top police official who voiced concern to Huckabee about the whole thing being covered up.

That same son was also arrested last year on a gun charge. I think it was for trying to bring a gun through an airport.

...Romney wins Michigan Primary...

Mitt Romney won the Michigan Republican Primary tonight.

He is now in the lead among Republicans as far as delegates go in order to win the nomination.

Hillary Clinton won the Michigan Democrat Primary but it is basically meaningless because her opponents were not on the ballot because the Democrat Party punished Michigan by removing all of it's delegates for holding it's primary election earlier than Feb. 5 (the Republicans punished the state by removing half the delegates).

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The Democrat Party held a debate tonight in Nevada on MSNBC with their three top candidates.

The debate was softball and very sickening.