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#673226 - 26/09/10 08:24 AM The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions
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HEllO Everyone.... I think I am officially the newest member. My wife and I after a Heated back and fourth with the dealership are now proud owners of a 2010 Off Road. We both love the truck but the cheap side of me knows I am going to hate the MPG. I wanted to reach out to everyone and see if you could offer some imput on immeidate mods that I could make to eaze the pain at the pump.

I found some data on doing an air filter change.... and wanted to see if there is anything else.

Thanks in advance, and I look forward to reading this and many other posts in the future....

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#673230 - 26/09/10 02:38 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: Richter]
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tip one, trade me yours for mine for a few weeks, then you wont mind your MPG's one bit!!!!! LOL

good luck with the new ride and welcome to the site.........
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#673232 - 26/09/10 05:17 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: e207]
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drive slower,

enjoy the drive,

stop calculating your milage.
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#673238 - 26/09/10 08:04 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: granitex]
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Welcome to XOC... Spend lots of time on the highway.

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#673248 - 27/09/10 04:33 AM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: RNTKnives]
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Welcome to XOC! It's a fun place to be...

Learn to accept things for what they are.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would say they bought their trucks for the mileage. That was part of the package deal when you bought it. Accept it for what it is and go on with life enjoying your truck for what it can do.

That being said, synthetic oil, easy on the long skinny pedal, maintain it, etc., etc., etc. All the usual stuff.

-G


Edited by Gonzo-2 (27/09/10 04:35 AM)
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#673250 - 27/09/10 12:26 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: Gonzo-2]
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Welcome A Board!

laugh

In addition to making sure you have a clean air filter and all synthetic lubes...getting the tire pressure up does wonders for reducing your rolling resistance.

The actual tires make a difference too.

I have two set of 33" diameter tires.

I average 20 mpg with the BFG AT ko's, and I average 17 mpg with the Interco LTB's...that's a 3 mpg difference just from tires alone.

I find that the psi on the truck's tire placard leaves the tires too soft and mushy...the way to a soft ride and a dealer's heart....as most people in the show room want a cloud-like ride, and the makers lawyers want the thing to under steer heavily, etc.

If the truck has the OEM tires, going about 5-10 psi higher than it says on the door jamb (Placard) will add mpg.

When its time to get NEW tires, go for a set with lower rolling resistance.

Don't go over 55 mph.

The brick-like aerodynamics mean wind drag is fighting you harder and harder, and mpg plummets.

I can drop from a hwy average of ~ 23 mpg at ~ 55 mph to a hwy average of 16 mpg, by just going ~ 60 mph on long trips.

If I'm in a rush, I just consider it a fee for rush shipping.

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#673251 - 27/09/10 01:46 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: TJ]
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Always drive down hill
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#673261 - 28/09/10 08:28 AM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: granitex]
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Originally Posted By: granitex
Always drive down hill






laugh

BOTH ways of course!

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#673576 - 20/10/10 06:01 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: granitex]
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I notice taking it easy on the pedal and accelerating slow makes my mileage worse. With the 06, accelerate briskly, get revs to 3000-3500 while accelerating and then keep pedal still. I went from 12MPG to about 14.5MPG just by driving that way. BTW I have 32's on the Xterra so mileage I presume is worse then normal. I'm doing a few mods and monitoring mileage, I will report back when the list is done.

Also, and this is just my opinion, I have a gut feeling that driving 55mph vs 60mph is an ECU tuning issue causing fuel enrichment for emissions purposes at highway speeds. Keeps the engine safe when pulling a heavy load so it may not be an aerodynamic issue. Even though aerodynamics suck a 5mph difference is not enough to plummet the mileage by the 10mpg many people notice.


Edited by Xterrateristrial (20/10/10 06:03 PM)

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#673626 - 25/10/10 11:53 AM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: Xterrateristrial]
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I just re-read my last post, to clarify. I accelerate with the revs going up to about 3000 and then cruise at less then 2000 while keeping the pedal still.

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#673627 - 25/10/10 01:30 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: TJ]
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Originally Posted By: TJ
Welcome A Board!

laugh
...getting the tire pressure up does wonders for reducing your rolling resistance.

I have two set of 33" diameter tires.

I average 20 mpg with the BFG AT ko's, and I average 17 mpg with the Interco LTB's...that's a 3 mpg difference just from tires alone.

I find that the psi on the truck's tire placard leaves the tires too soft and mushy...the way to a soft ride and a dealer's heart....as most people in the show room want a cloud-like ride, and the makers lawyers want the thing to under steer heavily, etc.

laugh



TJ - So what psi do you actually run in your BFG AT/KO's to get 20mpg?

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#673833 - 12/11/10 04:12 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: Gonzo-2]
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Don't press down the gas pedal too much or too quickly

If I do that, I average about 20 in mixed driving .. not bad

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#674697 - 07/02/11 08:49 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: coolpop]
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Save mileage and drive over stuff less mileage less gas :0)
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#674708 - 08/02/11 03:05 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: 52]
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As TJ indicated slowing down and keeping your tire pressure up are probably the two best things you can do to increase MPG. In addition though, when you are on the higway use the cruise control, that helprs reduce slight variations in acceleration which can be a drain on gas milage.
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#674714 - 08/02/11 07:48 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: TJLatSLU]
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Dont want to hijack the thread, but TJ what psi are you running in the AT's? I was waiting for you to respond to Gonzo.
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#674717 - 09/02/11 06:38 AM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: 52]
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Originally Posted By: 52
Dont want to hijack the thread, but TJ what psi are you running in the AT's? I was waiting for you to respond to Gonzo.


You have to realize that there is no one psi number that is RIGHT as far as tire pressure to improve mpg/ride well, etc.

If MPG ALONE is the issue, you COULD inflate to the Max Psi on the sidewall and call it a day.


It would have the lowest rolling resistance, as the tire would not be flexing the rubber much as it rolled, as the sidewalls and tread would be stiff and round, and not deform/reform as much as the tire rolled along.

It would ride very rough/bouncy, and the contact patch would be minimized...hurting traction, braking, handling, etc.

Most tires have a "Sweet Spot", a load/psi balance that they are designed to work best with...a balance between enough stiffness to make it handle well and have a good contact patch, but not have a bulging wishy washy sidewall, etc.



The idea is to have enough pressure to support the load, but not too much more than that...while ALSO having the tire inflated to a high enough PERCENTAGE of its max psi to be within design limitations.


IE: Two tires might have different load ratings, and, different design loads in mind when the carcass and tread, etc, were designed....

...if a heavy CAPACITY tire has a giant sidewall bulge as its running around with only a few PSI, as that's all it NEEDS to support a LIGHT LOAD...it can physically support it easily...

....but, the handling will be very wishy washy due to sidewall sway, and, a lot of HEAT will build-up due to increased hysteresis of the sidewall and tread rubber, as they will be flexing/deforming/reforming like mad as the tire rolls, etc.

So -

Even two sets of BFG AT ko's might be totally different, depending upon load range, etc.


The off the show room floor/industry standard to achieve the best ride/mpg compromise is to inflate the tires so as to have the psi supporting ~ 35% of the rig's GVWR in each tire.....WITH the tire being inflated to at ~ 65-80% of its max psi.

(The tire will not as work well if essentially running around too far out of that performance range...as the "Sweet Spot is typically ~ 65 - 80% of its Max Load)



So, if my 305/70/16 with a max load of 3,525 lb at 65 psi

were set to support 35% of 5,200 lb (The GVWR), that would be 1,820 lb.


TO support 1,820 lb, which is ~ 52% of my tire's max load

(1,820/3,525 = 0.516 = ~ 52%)

I'd need ~ 52% of my tire's max psi....or about 33.5 psi

(.516 x 65 psi = ~ 33.5)


So - MY 305/70/16's need a MINIMUM of 33.5 psi for an X...


If someone else has ANOTHER set of BFG AT ko's, but the popular 265/75/16's for example:

Those are rated with a max load of 3,415 lb at a max psi of 80.


1,820/3,415 = ~ 53% of the tire's max load

0.53 x 80 psi = ~ 42.5 psi


TO SUPPORT THE SAME LOAD AS THE 305/70/16's which only needed ~ 33.5 psi to do the same thing.


I use closer to 45% of the GVWR, instead of 35%, as the factory balance is very mushy to me, and heavily biased towards a soft ride and heavy under steer...what Joe Consumer/Corp Lawyers typically prefer.

My rig also weighs about 6k lb when loaded for work as well, another psi increasing factor.


So, I selected the 305/70/16 BFG AT ko because I need to support up to ~ 6,000 lb.

If I substitute the 6k lb for the GVWR of 5200 lb, I get 45% of 6k = 2,700 lb.

2,700 lb/3,525 lb Max Load capacity = ~ 0.76%

0.76 x 65 psi = 49.5 psi

THAT all gets me enough psi to support the load, within the sweet spot of the tire's load range, and within my own personal ride/mpg balance preference.

If my load is less, I run lower psi to compensate, etc.



IE: I might be running around with an average of 40-50 psi, depending upon what I'm doing that day.

I have OBA, so I can adjust at will.


IF I had those 265/75/16's.....

2,700 lb/ 3,415 lb max load = ~ 79% max load...still within the Sweet Spot typically.

0.79 X 80 psi = 63 psi


So, If I have the 305/70/16's, I might run ~ 50 psi, and if I had the 265/75/16's, I'd need to run ~ 63 psi, to get the same result.


And so forth.



Does that make sense?

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Edited by TJ (09/02/11 06:42 AM)
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#674872 - 17/02/11 11:52 AM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: TJ]
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from what ive read actually, removing the cross bars on the rough rack will greatly reduce drag and you should see a 3ish mile a gallon increas

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#674873 - 17/02/11 12:03 PM Re: The New Guy..... W/ MPG Questions [Re: hami2127]
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Originally Posted By: hami2127
from what ive read actually, removing the cross bars on the rough rack will greatly reduce drag and you should see a 3ish mile a gallon increas


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