Karnage In Katemcy

The CowTown Jeepers have extended an official offer for the SWXC to enter (and attend to watch) an official rock crawling event in Katemcy, TX. The classes will run from stock to fully modified. Go HERE to view the details.

They have said their site is just in the preliminaries for getting set up, so it may seem a bit sparse. In any event, the payout for those entering, and placing, is gonna be big.

You can also check THIS out for specific on Katemcy.

Yes, this is in September, but if you are interested in running (ie competeing) in the event, please contact me asap.

Edit: AC is gonna give out a $200 gift certificate and Shrockworks is giving out a $150 gift certificate or set of sliders (winners choice)

Thx,
s

I would love to compete but it already looks like I am overly modified....unless there is some way I could make the suspension drop pass as it is seen on pathfinders in Japan...or i could go in the second class where I will be poorly out classed..

I'm in!

I might like to go and watch

Looks like I would fall into this class:

West Texas Offroad/Redneck Ram Stock Mod Class (non stock rock crawler class)
· Re-geared axles are allowed.
· Tires will be no bigger than 33 inch or 3 inches bigger then stock (what the sidewall says)
· Of the Tranny, transfercase, and engine at least 2 must be stock and un-modified.
· No more then 3” lift allowed.
· Must have at least 1 stock axle.
· This class is also for factory rock crawlers.
· Only 1 traction aided device permitted.

And that is only cuz of the 3" lift. I don't think I'd be able to hang with these guys. Still, I would like to go and check it out and run a few trails

I think it would be cool if some of us entered. If for nothing else, we would have Xterras in a rock crawling event. That would make for a cool showing.

I too want to go and watch, if nothing else. It is $5/day to watch, $10 to camp, $40 for camping and away-from-competition wheelin for the weekend.

Oh, I have also made an inquiry on if they can adjust the 'inches' for lifts. As X lifts come in 3" increments, I whined that we would be knocked up into a heavy-mod/red neck mod class for just having a suspension lift. Dunno though how rigid/flexible the rules are.

I think having a spoter you know, trust, and love is going to be just as important as a capable vehicle.. Scott find out if the course will be available to look at before the event..like some time before the event and are the courses the same for each class since it is a timed event?

The course will be laid (layed ?) out Friday before the run. NO PRERUNNING WILL BE ALLOWED. The event coordinators will run/walk the course for safety, but participants will not.

Also, unless we are 100% stock, we will not be running the stock rock crawler category. Stock is stock. There is very little flexibility in this class. Any of us who run the event will more than likely be in the Texas Off Road category. Don't worry though. The event coordinators have said this class is not as tough as it would seem. Now, the BaerTrax class is another story...

s

hmm.... still stock, should I wait on the mods.....hmm (yelling) AMANDA.....hmm maybe I come back to texas in september.....

Scott, so competition is still dooable? I really don't mind dents and dings but I don't want to be the first US R50 to roll.

What do you mean? You can compete yes.

I'm stock! I'm Stock!!! YAY!!!!
of course the interesting thing is for stock it says no locker but stock LSD is allowed.. what happens if I have a stock factory Locker?

I have the registration form for those interested...

s

I'm would fall into the final class since I'm locked in both ends. No way am I keeping up with a locked Jeep on 35" tires.

KIK will be held September 4, 2004.

Aero - No, you probably would not hold up against the Heeps, BUT, AC is donating a $200 gift certifiacate to the best placing X (no matter what the class). In any event, just getting X's out there to run would do our community a world of good.

I need the form.. I will give it a whirl

Keith, send me your email addy. I cannot add attachments to XOC 'mail'.

s

president@texasnissantrucks.com

how soon do i have before that group is full and what do I do with the $100? where send it?

That throws you into the next class up...west texas redneck, or something like that. If I entered, that's what I would have to run, being locked front and rear.

Jason you would be in the Baertrax class because of the dual lockers. The west texas class only allows one locker.

If we also want to wheel out of the competition is that included in the $100 for the competition?

Keith,

I sent ya the app, and it answers all of your questions. BUT (ooopps, started a sentence with a conjunction junction what's your dysfunction...) here are some answers for those without the app.

The app has the address on where to send your payment. By no strange coincidence, the guy lives in Keller.

How long do you have? Dunno, guess that depends on how many other people are asking the same thing. I would say two-three weeks, but don't rely on that.

Yes, your $100 includes wheelin' for the weekend (in and out of the event).

hmmm wonder if he will let me run the phone number and a check over.. I have lost all of my faith in the mail waiting 1 week to get something from houston and 1 week and counting for something from nacadoges.

What is the date to be signed up by.

Sign up as soon as possible. The classes are going to be limited to 15 vehicles each. Do you want me to email you a registration form?

CRAP I cannot come up with $100 that fast..holly dog crap..hmm think i found it

Keif, you officially have until September to come up with it.

We also have a 2nd sponsor donating something really cool to the non-Jeep prize (kinda along the lines of what AC is giving). People need to compete, otherwise it is just free mods for Roger!

Hmm i thought i had to fill out the form and send the check at the same time..

can you resend that form to president@texasnissantrucks.com i am at work and want to work on it here..

Form + Money. You do have to send em at the same time. I was just saying the event is not until September, so officially, you have until then.

Oh, and I just sent ya the form.

s

THanks for resending the form. I am going to go drop it in his mailbox today since it's right down the road.

How are the prizes going to work with people competing in different classes?

I gave the form and the money to his daughter I think?

I wonder what that could have been?

My truck is too modified and also outclassed. Damn drivetrain mods!

Oh, that and I have practically ZERO trail experience.

Outclassed by who? Roger or Keith? So far they would be the only ones you are competeing against...

Chris you would do fine, I am outclassed by Roger..this is just for fun. I don't think an R50 has ever been in a rock crawling competition and plan on having some laughs and floggin on the caR50 a bit.

you should do well against Roger if you get some better tires... neither of you is locked.... you're pretty similar, really.

Is their a comp just for us Nissans or something?

YES. The main comp is a general competition for everbody. BUT, the Jeepers want Nissans to get out there, and AC + another vendor are donating prizes for best placing Xterras (although I am contacting the Jeepers to make that open to Frontys and Pathys) no matter your class.

In short, you will compete against the Jeeps, but there is a separate prize listing so-to-speak for the Nissans where we all would go head-to-head for placement.

s

So just to make sure I have this correct, we would run twice?

I thought we just run with everyone else?

We run the same course as everyone else. However many runs we do, your score will be judged in two places. Against the whole group and against the Nissans. There will be no separate runs along the lines of one for the general population and one for just Nissan.

(And I say 'however many runs', becasue they may let people run 2 or 3 times like in AutoCrosses, but I will ask to make sure.)

s

So is the course the same for all classes?

They have not yet laid out the courses. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say each class will have its own course. (A locked truck running the same course as a stock vehicle would be silly.)

You gonna enter and run?

and I assume it's lowest time wins with penalities being X number of seconds added on... also if you run more than once only the best time is counted?

Doug from the Jeep club sponsoring this event would be an ideal source to contact with any questions...

doug@cowtownjeeps.com

The rules say the event is based on CALROCS scoring. If I remember correctly it is, in very short, lowest time with seconds added on for strapping, winching, going outside the lane etc.

I don't think I would be very competitive in the class I would have to run.

But that is just my point. It does not matter if you cannot hold up against the Jeeps, you score is gonna be rated against the other Nissans. I am gonna try an describe my point a tad better than I have.

Say you are 1 of 10 in your particular class
In your class you place 10th with a time of 45 seconds
In the other two classes, the top Nissan times are 55 and 50.

You will win squat in your general class, but 1st overall in the Nissan Shootout Class (as it is being called).

My point is that my class may be extremely difficult compared to the stock class. Therefore my time would not be comparable really. This is all because I got a BL me thinks.

Don't ya have a locker too?

Personally I think it would be cool if ya entered. More so if ya had a big ol Ghetto Fab sticker on your truck.

Maybe not locked, but I have a front LSD, crawler gears, and was planning on tightening up the rear LSD next month...

So come compete anyhow. Why have all that stuff and not use it?

Seriously though, I just talked with Doug, and they are gonna make the Xterra Shootout a Nissan Shootout to include Xs, Frontys and Pathys.

s

Doug asked for a picture of my Pathfinder..so I sent him an fugly pic.

Who cares about the competition stuff, lets have fun. I have the least capable vehicle and the best spotter!! who hoo

You can't drive and be the spotter at the same time Keith.......

A few KIK FAQs

How many runs: Your entry fee will entitle you to AT LEAST 4 RUNS (possibly 5 depending on the amount of vehicles entered)

Are there separate courses for each class: No. Each class will run the same basic courses with special bonus sections/tough 'bypasses' for the more heavily modded classes.

Will we compete against the Jeeps: Yes. But as it has been mentioned, by doing this you will have a chance to win two prizes. One for the open/general class, and your time put head-to-head against the Nissans. There may even be a prize for Best Nissan Showing.

Rubicons and Z71s: Fall under the Baertrax class; no other way to make it fair.

HAHAH Even in it's highly modified form Chris' Z71 isn't as capable as our Xs/ frontys and yes, even the caR50. 144" wheelbase tends to screw ya..

Herk, I suck at spotting and driving...but it's gonna be fun.

damn.. I guess I'm out then.. doubt I could get my truck ready to compete in that class by then.
especially with my wheel base..

it's not modified at all. it's got cold air intake and engine programming. and that's it.
no other aftermarket performance items. I say performance cause of my light bar/bed rail combo.
those tires are factory size, the ride height is factory, the double damage to the crossmember is not factory though.

and yeah the wheel base is my biggest downfall.

well Jason.. why don't we work on yours. cause i won't stand a chance in this class.
according to the rules the Z71 would fall into the redneck catagory. as jason said. mine would anyway.

If Jason had the 6" lift and 33"s tire he would be as good as it gets out there..

actually he can go to 35" tires. but that's alot to buy in a short time frame

Y'all are really trying to convince me to wreck my junk out there aren't y'all?

An All Nissan shootout huh? I will have to seriously think about this...

YES

Again, for those who are contemplating running in the event, it is gonna be geared towards daily driver vehicles, not the custom monster rigs you see at some of the more extreme events. Heck, if I did not have a lift, my truck would fall under the stock class!

I am out. The amount of lift I have looks like it would push me up into one of the highest categories. I want to run it next year for sure.

So enter and compete against the rest of the Nissans...

Chris I bet you would have a much better showing than I would, so go for it!

I do not have one so it does not matter to me, but what are the rules on winches? Or are the obstacles not really going to need them (yeah right).

Will the obstacles need them? Never been there, but I doubt every trail/obstacle will. The goal is to get through the course without any outside aid other than your spotter telling you where to go. Yes, that can be challenging, but that is the point.

How is the event scored? Go HERE

After reading that some stuff makes alot of sense. For instance, the basic stock trail will be what everyone runs. There will be side 'gates' you can choose to tackle for additional points. These side gates will more than likely what the tougher class vehicles will run to get higher point totals. In short, you would not have to take the tougher course if you did not want to. (Although in bypassing, you point total for the more extreme groups will suffer, but who cares, it is for fun. )

OK, where do I get a winchline weight bag ???

4 wheel should have one, Scott said he is emailing doug for clarification on the rules

Per Doug, KIK is gonna follow the CALROCS scoring rules. Saftey rules for KIK are posted on their website. Yes, they are different than the CALROCS rules.

Oh, per request from the event sponsors our portion of the competition is officially the Nissan Challenge and KIK is gonna be donating some webspace to it shortly.

Edit: See the first post. Shrockworks has stepped up to the plate!

OK, I found this thread by accident.

I will try to clarify anybodies questions and save from Scott having to email me all the time.

Also, I am very approachable, if you have any questions, email me. If I'm by the computer, I'll get back to you within the hour with an answer.

This event is geared towards the daily driver. Saying that, I've read on here that some of you are not going to compete because you are afraid that you won't stack up against the Jeeps in the Baertrax Class....that's hooey.

You know why? Because I have NO IDEA what the course is going to look like yet. It could very well favor a longer wheelbase vehicle...in fact, I'm sure some of them will.

If you have been to Katemcy, you will know, like Moab, lockers are over rated. But, we had to have a class for the 2 lockers just in case. It's really hard to divide classes based on lift and tire size only.

Also, we are not going to try to roll your rig. This isn't a UROC or CALROC's event intended to flop you on your side. With that said.....it could happen, I've also seen a buddy flop his Jeep in a Hotters Parking lot being stupid.

And besides, you guys have an event within the event. I'd like to thank your club and your President for basically arranging this for me. It has been a pleasure corresponding with Scott, you guys are truly lucky to have such a guy as president. Most Jeep Clubs I still haven't gotten a response to my email I sent them weeks ago.

Also, about when to get me the check/registration forms. The sooner the better, but I know as a working guy with 4 kids that money can be tight. If you can get the form to me with a $20 bill, I'll hold your spot. But beware, there are no refunds, and I will heckle you on any board I find you on if you back out on me and owe me money.

I hope to have a BIG turnout of Nissan's at the event. I am also trying to get a big turnout of Landcruisers as well (I own a FJ-40 as well as two Jeeps).

Again, if you have a question, email me.

And Kieth, that was my daughter who answered the door.....and she is off limits.

Also, I may not remember to check this post since I found your board on accident, somebody email me once in a while if something comes up here

well that has settled some issues.. and now must come up with cash. I think I'm gonna give it a whirl!

Good explanation and now I feel better That said does anyone want to make a trip to Katemcy??? We would then be able to see for ourselves and explain to others that could not go! This month is full and I am on vacation the first two weeks of June but will go almost any weekend after that!

Let me know!!!!

come on man, I am not at the dirty old man age yet.....

You read my mind, Roger..

If you want to live to be a dirty old man.....

With the guidance of my father and some help from his friends, I don't really have a choice..

On another note, I had a dream last night about K.I.K., but it involved me racing a very overweight man through the college campus in shopping carts instead of trucks and rocks. For some reason they found a way to use calroc rules, though

By the way, I thought I'd clarify something else.

While there is a time to complete the course....this isn't a race.

It is about accumulating the least amount of points during your run, and doing it in the time allowed.

If you finish in 2 minutes and have 8 minutes left, but have 38 points, it's not going to do you any good.

it seems like an awful lot depends on the spotter. He can rack up more points than the driver can.

Yes, a guy you can TRUST as a spotter is key.

On another note, the first Jeep registration arrived today.

He told me to tell you guys to make sure that you bring your tissues.....he doesn't want any of your tears to mess up his wax job on his Jeep.

i brought the shit over to your side, Doug..

Who puts wax on a wheeler?

Screw it. I am in. I will get my $20 hold fee this week.

damn skippy chris, set an example for our club, hang your balls out there ... like a grasshopper into an ant pile, you ain't getting out alive, but it sure does tickle going in...

The COUNTDOWN has begun!

Are you ready?

http://www.cowtownjeeps.com/kik/kik.htm

That is all!

Trey

Far from it, but 107 days left..

This is the weakest bunch of smack talkers I have ever seen.

Uh-oh, we are experiencing a Jeep Invasion...

Fawk you Jeep cawkgobbling bastages. You will bow down at the alter of the Nissan Gods. We will slay your 'trail rated' God, and spit upon his temple, while we rape and pillage your lands and women.

Better?

okay... that was a really creepy image.... you must now stay 5 feet away from me at all times

well I trust my spotter. even if he does dislike chevy's

what the holly phok, Chris, did you blow an O-ring or something? Gezus I just about shit my pants laughing at that.

yes , this was one of my better lines..

about as much as a body cavity search from a $5 chinese hooker with a staple gun for her left arm.

and scott why did you edit your post? I thought it was pretty good, but by saying someone else's rig is unreliable you will cause your vehicle to have premature-coil-ejaculation...

Hey, I know I am going to get my ass kicked, I just thought I would give the Jeeper some decent flaming like he requested.

I don't even remember what it said. Talk about a geriatric moment.

Sucks getting old, eh?

OK, bit off topic, but here we go. Old is this: realizing you are on the other side of the door.

What do I mean?

My doorbell rang, I answered it, and kids asked if Zach could go play. It then hit me I was not the kiddo asking for a friend to come play. I am now the adult... on the other side of the door.

Do they call you Mr. and sir? Bwaahahahhahahahah!

Actually I did indeed get Mister-ized for the first time the other day. I had to wear a name tag at my son's school; it said Mr. Heise.

When a student called me, I turned around literally looking to see where my dad was.

My knees shook at that moment. Twas I he was talking to.

you're still young.. I don't wanna hear it.. you just got an earlier start at parenthood than some of us.

WOW....um....i hate being called Mr.

I prefer Sir!
ok not really.. I'm too simple for that formal BS

I prefer "Your Lordship" or "Your Highness", but generally get "Hey, you!" Actually I get "Mr. Griffis" a whole lot, which pisses me off cuz he's a balding older geeky social studies teacher down the hall.

Oh yeah, "Screw you Nissan guys, I'm gonna run circles around you all day long. Don't bother wasting your time and money entering KIK"

Actually, I still haven't decided if I am gonna enter.

Jason you have no choice but to enter.. You need to register, end of story. In fact if you guys want to give me your registration when we are out and about this weekend I will run it by Doug's...my trust for the U.S.P.S. has failed somewhat, not as bad as UPS , or OOPSS

Dont worry, my jeep is not trail rated. But I will leave you women alone if I am gonna make you cry and ruin your fancy mallcrawler's interior.

Oh and a big F2 to yall.

(go to the forums on cowtownjeeps.com for and explanation.)

Yours truly,
Jon D.

Hey, will there be any H2s there? We can make a game out of ducking the flying tie rods.

I'm glad to see we got off the name calling - bad mouthing, etc. I know it was all in jest, but entry after entry of it was getting tired. I was begining to think I was going to have to lock the thread which I don't want to do, so lets keep it to the point and civil.

ALR! ALR! ALR! ALR!

Hmmm, thought I made another post.

I'm not trail rated. They started that mid 04 (I think) and mine was 8/03, so no badge and no Chrome Jeep logo on the steering wheel.

I might compete, I might not. I competed for a year as an amateur surfer, and it really took all the fun out of surfing. Last thing I would want was all the fun of off roading taken away. That being said, I may,may not. I need to pay off credit cards and save for jeep mods.

I'm going if I can possibly make it... but I think I'd rather watch than drive in the event. It sounds like there will be some non-Karnage wheeling as well

Glen it's on Labor day weekend and if i don't destroy my rig I plan on wheeling all day Sunday

okay so who ruined the name calling fun using the SWXC login?

It's just jokes man. Just jokes.

You guys have an attention span of an XTerra driver.

Hmmm I cannot really think of a good response..Hell We all know I basically have A.D.D. as it is..

One month away...