"100% Full Synthetic Motor Oil" facing extinction. :(

Originally posted by TJ:
Well...it seems that Castrol decided to sell Group 3 oil as Full Synthetic...so Mobil decided to see if that was fair, as Group 4 & 5 were really considered as Full Synthetics, as they had to be created chemically...

...whereas Group 3 were pretty much dino juice with extra cracking to refine it better, etc....

...so selling Group 3 was cheaper than selling Group 5...and Mobil1 was a Group 5, being threatened in the marketplace by a Group 3 Castrol labeled as if it were just as good.

The US Gov decided that "Synthetic" as regards to motor oil, has no legal meaning, and therefore...anyone could call pretty much any refined petroleum motor oil "100% Fully Synthetic Motor Oil", etc.

So - Mobil, and a bunch of other oil makers, like Penzoil, Quaker State, etc...dropped their Group 4 and 5 products from the shelves..and replaced them with/Introduced Group 3 motor oils...w/ changing the labels...so as to be cost competitive with each other.

The changes started a few years back...and have now been completed across the mass producer product lines.

There's almost no "real" synthetic oils left from the mass producers.

I think Redline is still a Group 5, and Amsoil is still a Group 4...not sure about Royal Purple...might be still a mix of products that are still Group 3 and 4, etc.

sigh.

Originally posted by HomeSliceX:
I call BullShit on this. Mobile 1 is a Fully Syntetic oil.... Please prove me wrong if my statment is Bull. I want the Facts though.

Originally posted by Dave03X:
Guys, this is old news....but Mobil1 is still selling their synthetics as full synthetic. Some of that information is just simply not true, some of it is taken from old cases where Castrol won a suit saying that they could market their blend as synthetic. The Mobil1 you buy on the shelves today, and any day, is still full synthetic.

I work in the PetroChemical industry, and have good information...Mobil1 isn't changing, and it would be illegal for them to do so "without telling anyone", or advertising it on their product labels. It's federal law.

I've seen this rehashed on so many boards now, from Fishing boards, to 4x4 boards, to ricer boards...it's almost becoming like an Urban Legend....OLD NEWS!

Back to your regularly scheduled conspiracy theory.

Originally posted by Kaiser:

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Originally posted by HomeSliceX:
[b]I call BullShit on this. Mobile 1 is a Fully Syntetic oil.... Please prove me wrong if my statment is Bull. I want the Facts though.

Where are YOUR facts? TJ made a good argument and stated what he knows and what he believes to be true... believe it if you want to - or don't... I don't care - but I think I'm switching to Amsoil JIC.

If you think integrity will stop big companies from screwing us all over and lying on their product labels you're sorely mistaken.[/b]

Originally posted by HomeSliceX:
I did research on it. From relable web sites. Mobile 1 is Fully Sythetic OIL. End of story. There are Blends out there. They say syn blend.

q: Is Mobil 1 with SuperSyn Technology a fully synthetic motor oil?
a: Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of today's specifications (and our customers' expectations), Mobil 1 with SuperSyn uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs), along with a proprietary system of additives. Each Mobil 1 with SuperSyn viscosity grade uses a unique combination of synthetic fluids and selected additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its specific application.

In the late 1990s, Castrol started selling an oil made from Group III base oil and called it SynTec Full Synthetic. Mobil sued Castrol, asserting that this oil was not synthetic, but simply a highly refined petroleum oil, and therefore it was false advertising to call it synthetic. In 1999, Mobil lost their lawsuit. It was decided that the word "synthetic" was a marketing term and referred to properties, not to production methods or ingredients. Castrol continues to make SynTec out of Group III base oils, that is highly purified mineral oil with most all of the cockroach bits removed.

Shortly after Mobil lost their lawsuit, most oil companies started reformulating their synthetic oils to use Group III base stocks instead of PAOs or diester stocks as their primary component. Most of the "synthetic oil" you can buy today is actually mostly made of this highly-distilled and purified dino-juice called Group III oil. Group III base oils cost about half as much as the synthetics. By using a blend of mostly Group III oils and a smaller amount of "true" synthetics, the oil companies can produce a product that has nearly the same properties as the "true" synthetics, and nearly the same cost as the Group III oil. The much more expensive traditional synthetics are now available in their pure forms only in more expensive and harder to obtain oils. To the best of my knowledge, Delvac-1, AMSOil, Redline, and Motul 5100 are the only oils made from pure traditional synthetics.

I just became a distributor of AMSOIL.. I should have some Xterra product up soon. And they are less expensive than RP [Smile]

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Carlton

Originally posted by RockSkier:

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I just became a distributor of AMSOIL.. I should have some Xterra product up soon. And they are less expensive than RP [Smile]

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Carlton

Sign me up...I could use some AMSOIL. My MTF tranny fluid is not cutting it anymore...I can't even find a Nissan dealer in San Diego that can tell me what kind of fluid to use (they started to pour ATF in my tranny when I took it to them to change the fluids. They still argue with me that ATF is supposed to go into the transfer case on a manual tranny X. wtf?)

Transfer fluid 2-3/8 qt Nissan Matic ‘D’ (Continental U.S. and Alaska) or Canada NISSAN
Automatic Transmission Fluid or API GL-4. *4
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*4: DexronTM III/MerconTM or equivalent may also be used. Outside the Continental United States and Alaska contact an authorized Nissan dealership for more information regarding suitable
fluids, including recommended brand(s) of DexronTM III/MerconTM Automatic Transmission Fluid.

Transfer fluid (TX10A) 2-3/8 qt NISSAN Matic ’D’ (Continental U.S. and Alaska) or Canada NISSAN Automatic Transmission Fluid*2 or API GL-4 Viscosity SAE 75W-85 or 75W-90.

Originally posted by RockSkier:

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I just became a distributor of AMSOIL.. I should have some Xterra product up soon. And they are less expensive than RP [Smile]

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Carlton

Sign me up...I could use some AMSOIL. My MTF tranny fluid is not cutting it anymore...I can't even find a Nissan dealer in San Diego that can tell me what kind of fluid to use (they started to pour ATF in my tranny when I took it to them to change the fluids. They still argue with me that ATF is supposed to go into the transfer case on a manual tranny X. wtf?)

Not to argue with you, but the owners manual (at least on the 02) says:

quote: Transfer fluid 2-3/8 qt Nissan Matic ‘D’ (Continental U.S. and Alaska) or Canada NISSAN
Automatic Transmission Fluid or API GL-4. *4
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*4: DexronTM III/MerconTM or equivalent may also be used. Outside the Continental United States and Alaska contact an authorized Nissan dealership for more information regarding suitable
fluids, including recommended brand(s) of DexronTM III/MerconTM Automatic Transmission Fluid.