State of the Union

In case you missed it, here's the short version.

GWB: "blah, blah, blah"

applause from alcoholics

GWB: "blah, blah, blah"

applause from alcoholics

GWB: "blah, blah, blah"

applause from alcoholics

Thanks for the update... I'm sure he said more than many people expected ...

There we go.

Didnt see it but sounds about right(and I'm a Dubya fan)....well there should be at least one non-alcoholic in the crowd...ain't Orin Hatch a Mormon?? and gotta be a few Muslim senators and representatives too...so they supposedly should be off the booze...all the better...if the world were filled with Teddy Kennedy's there wouldnt be any beer or teenage girls for the rest of us!!

You noticed Ted Kennedy too?

Why do they put it on every channel?

And about 100 others.

Anybody else notice the proposed INCREASE in spending for rehabilitation of criminals???? WTF! More education, more job placement etc.... NY Madman is right Bush is sounding more and more liberal everyday.... What about ME! I have worked full time since I was 17. I served my country, I pay my taxes, and bills. I love my wife, I love my country, why do I have to play by the rules and get no brakes, other than those I make myself, while my money goes to useless fucks! I am so sick of everyone else having their hand in my paycheck.........

I'm fully convinced now that Bush is a pastor, not a President. What a snoozer of a speech.

It's because of the elections, he's flip-floping now so he can try to steal some moderate votes from the democrats.

So don't worry, if he does get re-elected he won't follow through with any of the things he's saying now. They're just lies to get more votes.

Why are you so against taxes?

Who do you think paid your way when you were in the service?
Where do you think the equipment you used came from?
How do you think the Military has become the most powerful on the planet?
Have you even driven on and Interstate Highway?
Do your kids go to school?
Can they read?
Do you keep your money in a Bank or Credit Union?
Have you ever been to a hospital?
have you ever had a flu shot?
Do you use the internet? (Wait, I know that one.)
Do you think the FBI should monitor terrorism?
Would you like to slow the flow of illegal drugs into the US?
Do you think we need people to keep illegal immigrants from crossing borders?
Do you think landing on the Moon was a good idea?

I hate it when Welfare is abused but there are a million good reasons for Taxes. More if you count all the kids who get a better education through government funds, and if they grow up to create something that bennefits America you should probably count that too.

No shit? I thought you'd hate him for not nuking a city full of innocent civilians.

Yep what a waste of tv programming space....

What happened in the last 14 minutes that we had to "nuke a city"?
Am I missing something?

And I'll throw in the obligatory "Hey Ian, if you don't like it, leave" barb. Or stay and enjoy porn, Guiness and Colorado at your own risk.

Is it just me or is there WAY too much clapping going on during Bushes speeches (although this isn't a bush thing, any big speech made by a politician).

I'm not saying that there are no people would want to clap, what I mean is that do people have to clap after every five words?

I can't stand sitting through more than a couple minutes of any speech made in the last few years.

And why do people that obviously disagree clap anyway?
If anybody making a speech says something I don't like I don't stand up clapping, I sit there wondring if I should walk out.

It makes it look like all those who attend are mindless sheep.

Maybe make a drinking game out of it? Every clap , you finish your drink?

I am not against taxes, and I understand fully what role they play in the scheme of our society, but I do feel that we are taxed far too much, for things that our society could do without. I don't mind paying taxes to fix a road, or contribute to medicine, but I do mind my city/government raising my taxes because they felt the "city" needed two new stadiums etc... I am against raising taxes that take more of my pay and give it to someone who hasn't lifted a finger to help him/herself. Welfare should not be a career. Neither should medical aid. There are far too many people living off of the hard earned pay of the RESPONSIBLE working man/women, while those same working men/women are struggling everyday to make ends meet. I am not talking about the percentage of folks who actually need welfare, those that will use it to get on their feet again and contribute, nor those unemployed who need assistance(which they paid into)until they find a job (been there). I'm talking about those that decide that they are not going to do a damn thing and suck off the rest of us for their entire lives.

Is this the first State of the Union speech you have ever seen?

It's always like that with the clapping. No matter who is president. It used to be more unanimous, but now the Democrats seem to like to show disdain by staying seated or not clapping loudly at certain things.

I thought you would have liked the speech. There was a good amount of socialism in there tonight... Some of the more strange:

$23 million pilot plan to encourage student drug testing in public schools... WTF???

$300 million training and placement program to help newly released convicts find jobs...WTF???

That money right there alone could hire 5000-6000 border patrol agents for one year.

Kerensky.... Your rant on tax money was off the wall. Are you sober right now?

I'd rather dance in a prison cell with a big guy named Bubba than listen to Bush speak for that length of time!

We got it in Canada too, I guess the odor in the union is still strong...

Then don't watch. Frankly, anything "Bubba" did when he was president scared me, so I'll go with Bush.

I love how people complain about watching a speech like they were "forced" to watch it. After not watching it and looking at the highlights, this is my favorite topic that he covered. It's about time.

They should have played this song as intro:

How does he do it? How do they do it? Uncanny and immutable.
This is such a happening tailpipe of a party.
Like sugar, the guests are so refined, (look like melting mice)

A confidence man, but why so beleagued?
He's not a leader, he's a Texas leaguer
Swinging for the fence, got lucky with a strike
Drilling for fear, makes the job simple
Born on third, thinks he got a triple

I'm sorry, I missed it!

Has there ever been a State of the Union Address that wasn't full of lies and desperate attempts to get votes? I think what scares me the most is that people actually are swayed by the B.S.

Honestly; I don't know what I'm going to do when it's time to vote. I usually swing right, but I don't think I want to support GWB anymore. I just have a hard time supporting someone who's swinging left on things that I think he should be swinging right on, and not doing a very good job with anything else (did that make sense?). Basically, I don't think GWB makes a good Republican and if he's going to head left we might as well have a Democrat that's good at being one. I dunno... confused and discouraged!

Ahhh... So Claus...

Going along those lines, with the gay society that Canada has created for itself...

When your leader speaks... should they play Broadway show tunes or someting?

Not sure if Pearl Jam actually wrote a tune for Canada, AND I have no leader, only a guy elected to Govern.......

Teddy...Throw me a cold one!

Dan

LOL...good one!

I'm not sure either. However Pearl Jam is definitely a gay friendly band and Canada = gay friendly. After all, Vedder's father was gay.

Maybe you have no leader. I don't know. Do any of us have a leader we can really look up to today? It still doesn't mean you can't think of Martin as your leader. I remember you posting so much hope for him not long ago. It sure sounded like some pride in a leader.

Even so, it doesn't mean because someone is the leader of your country you have to agree with the way they govern.

You guys in Canada definitely need a lot more political dissent.

We did down at my girlfrie d's bar. Every time Weapon of Mass Destructio n, Justice, Sept 11, terrorists (did me in) and many other things. Any time Ashcroft was on the bar chanted the Empireal March. Duh, Duh, Duh, Dunta Duh, Dunta Duh... It made the experience pass in a much more fun way.

One thing that sank in was the proposal for a Constitutional Admentment for get rid of gay marriage. I am 100% straight and 100% against this. At least it alienates the gay vote.

It does sound like you had fun Steve.

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I didn't watch - read carefully. Nor did I complain. My life is too short to waste it listening to idiots, which I realized in Jan, 2001.

Get over yourself and start to adapt - the clown prince isn't much longer in the ivory tower.

The REAL state of the union:

232: Number of American combat deaths in Iraq between May 2003 and January 2004

501: Number of American servicemen to die in Iraq from the beginning of the war - so far

0: Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender to the Allies in May 1945

0: Number of coffins of dead soldiers returning home from Iraq that the Bush administration has allowed to be photographed

0: Number of funerals or memorials that President Bush has attended for soldiers killed in Iraq

100: Number of fund-raisers attended by Bush or Vice-President Dick Cheney in 2003

13: Number of meetings between Bush and Tony Blair since he became President

10 million: Estimated number of people worldwide who took to the streets in opposition to the invasion of Iraq, setting an all-time record for simultaneous protest

2: Number of nations that Bush has attacked and taken over since coming into the White House

9.2: Average number of American soldiers wounded in Iraq each day since the invasion in March last year

1.6: Average number of American soldiers killed in Iraq per day since hostilities began

16,000: Approximate number of Iraqis killed since the start of war

10,000: Approximate number of Iraqi civilians killed since the beginning of the conflict

$100 billion: Estimated cost of the war in Iraq to American citizens by the end of 2003

$13 billion: Amount other countries have committed towards rebuilding Iraq (much of it in loans) as of 24 October

36%: Increase in the number of desertions from the US army since 1999

92%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that had access to drinkable water a year ago

60%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that have access to drinkable water today

32%: Percentage of the bombs dropped on Iraq this year that were not precision-guided

1983: The year in which Donald Rumsfeld gave Saddam Hussein a pair of golden spurs

45%: Percentage of Americans who believed in early March 2003 that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks on the US

$127 billion: Amount of US budget surplus in the year that Bush became President in 2001

$374 billion: Amount of US budget deficit in the fiscal year for 2003

1st: This year's deficit is on course to be the biggest in United States history

$1.58 billion: Average amount by which the US national debt increases each day

$23,920: Amount of each US citizen's share of the national debt as of 19 January 2004

1st: The record for the most bankruptcies filed in a single year (1.57 million) was set in 2002

10: Number of solo press conferences that Bush has held since beginning his term. His father had managed 61 at this point in his administration, and Bill Clinton 33

1st: Rank of the US worldwide in terms of greenhouse gas emissions per capita

$113 million: Total sum raised by the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign, setting a record in American electoral history

$130 million: Amount raised for Bush's re-election campaign so far

$200m: Amount that the Bush-Cheney campaign is expected to raise in 2004

$40m: Amount that Howard Dean, the top fund-raiser among the nine Democratic presidential hopefuls, amassed in 2003

28: Number of days holiday that Bush took last August, the second longest holiday of any president in US history (Recordholder: Richard Nixon)

13: Number of vacation days the average American worker receives each year

3: Number of children convicted of capital offences executed in the US in 2002. America is only country openly to acknowledge executing children

1st: As Governor of Texas, George Bush executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern US history

2.4 million: Number of Americans who have lost their jobs during the three years of the Bush administration

221,000: Number of jobs per month created since Bush's tax cuts took effect. He promised the measure would add 306,000

1,000: Number of new jobs created in the entire country in December. Analysts had expected a gain of 130,000

1st: This administration is on its way to becoming the first since 1929 (Herbert Hoover) to preside over an overall loss of jobs during its complete term in office

9 million: Number of US workers unemployed in September 2003

80%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce now unemployed

55%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce unemployed before the war

43.6 million: Number of Americans without health insurance in 2002

130: Number of countries (out of total of 191 recognised by the United Nations) with an American military presence

40%: Percentage of the world's military spending for which the US is responsible

$10.9 million: Average wealth of the members of Bush's original 16-person cabinet

88%: Percentage of American citizens who will save less than $100 on their 2006 federal taxes as a result of 2003 cut in capital gains and dividends taxes

$42,000: Average savings members of Bush's cabinet are expected to enjoy this year as a result in the cuts in capital gains and dividends taxes

$42,228: Median household income in the US in 2001

$116,000: Amount Vice-President Cheney is expected to save each year in taxes

44%: Percentage of Americans who believe the President's economic growth plan will mostly benefit the wealthy

700: Number of people from around the world the US has incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

1st: George W Bush became the first American president to ignore the Geneva Conventions by refusing to allow inspectors access to US-held prisoners of war

+6%: Percentage change since 2001 in the number of US families in poverty

1951: Last year in which a quarterly rise in US military spending was greater than the one the previous spring

54%: Percentage of US citizens who believe Bush was legitimately elected to his post

1st: First president to execute a federal prisoner in the past 40 years. Executions are typically ordered by separate states and not at federal level

9: Number of members of Bush's defence policy board who also sit on the corporate board of, or advise, at least one defence contractor

35: Number of countries to which US has suspended military assistance after they failed to sign agreements giving Americans immunity from prosecution before the International Criminal Court

$300 million: Amount cut from the federal programme that provides subsidies to poor families so they can heat their homes

$1 billion: Amount of new US military aid promised Israel in April 2003 to offset the "burdens" of the US war on Iraq

58 million: Number of acres of public lands Bush has opened to road building, logging and drilling

200: Number of public-health and environmental laws Bush has attempted to downgrade or weaken

29,000: Number of American troops - which is close to the total of a whole army division - to have either been killed, wounded, injured or become so ill as to require evacuation from Iraq, according to the Pentagon

90%: Percentage of American citizens who said they approved of the way George Bush was handling his job as president when asked on 26 September, 2001

53%: Percentage of American citizens who approved of the way Bush was handling his job as president when asked on 16 January, 2004

Sources: Vanity Fair magazine, Harper's Index, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, US Army (Washington), US Department of Defence, Iraqbodycount.net, Citizens for Tax Justice, Bureau of Economic Analysis (Washington), New York Times/CBS News Poll (NYC), US Department of Commerce, Cap Gemini Ernst & Young (NYC), Coalition Provisional Authority (Baghdad), World Health Organisation (Geneva), Office of Management and Budget (Washington), Centre for Responsive Politics (Washington), Bush-Cheney '04, Inc (Arlington, Va), Election Systems & Software (Omaha), United States Central Command (Tampa)

Yup, this country is a fucking disgrace.

What exactly do Bush and Chaney do with $200M in campaign dollars ? How can you possibly spend all that on cardboard signs for front yards ?
Do they need a website ? I could make them a real nice one for $1M.

I know give you NY Madman, who will rebut every one of those points.

That's an invasion of privacy. Sounds more Republican than Democrat to me.

Thats more lower income work for wealthy corporations. That sounds more Republican than Democrat to me.

Sheesh; as if it wasn't bad enough I can't even get a job at Wal-Mart because of the illegals and disableds, now I'm going to be up against ex cons too? :rolleyes:

it is "now" (lower case) not "know"

Yep, that's pretty ominous. In a speech laden with variation son keeping Americans "Free and Safe", it boggles the mind that he would then propose a constitutional amendment to limit the freedoms of some Americans.

What the hell does it hurt to allow gays to marry? They pay taxes. They are members of society, like it or not. "Sanctity of marriage" is not a valid answer. The only marriage that one should be concerned with is their own. If Bob and Bob's wedding impacts someone's marriage, then that someone has some work to do at home.

A

Give me a break with your pro gay bullshit.

The sanctity of marriage is one of the valid arguments.

However people like you with sick twisted minds seem to feel that one man sticking his johnson in another guy's anus is some kind of behavior that everyone should celebrate as normal and acceptable. In your sick, perverted mind that is some type of sanctity.

State of the Union in an Xterrapin World...

100% Apologies to the Islamic world for insulting them by building the World Trade Center and Pentagon in the first place

Yassar Arafat named President of new Palestine state in area formerly occupied by Israeli Zionists. 5 Million Jews enter concentration camps

U.S. National Security authority transferred to United Nations Security Council

SUV outlawed in 2002. Replaced by the Soviet Lada touring sedan.

"Great Leap Backward" federal socialist program is started

Federal Law mandates that children require 3 parents. Mother, Father and one flaming homosexual.

Supermarkets are outlawed. Anyone who wants toilet paper must wait on government line for two days the way it was meant to be.

"I'll give you ten good reasons to re-elect me...."

Giggle.

So...predictable. Knee jerk even.

Yep my mind is sick and twisted because I don't give a rat's ass wether or not a man marries a man or a woman marries a woman. It just doesn't affect me. Your mind however is not sick and perverted because you get your panties up in a bunch worrying about and imagining the actions of a group of people that you dislike intensely. Your logic is stunning.

How does gay marriage affect you? You hate gays, sure. But you hate a lot of things and people. What I'm asking is this: in your day to day life, how does the fact that gays can marry affect you? Your ability to carve out your life? Answer me that.

I gotta tell you son, there's a lot worse things going on out there than gays getting married.

Gay marriage is so unimportant compared with the other things on the national plate right now. A constitutional amendment? Are you really for that?

How about the economy and national security? I think those are a tad more important. And a tad more relevant to the average american.

A

Dang, wish I had had this yesterday...

Drinking Game

Well said PackRat.



Have you noticed that the people who hate homosexuals the most are the one's who are most fixated/graphic about gays sexual relations/acts? Personally, what happens behind their bedroom doors (as long as it's consensual and happens between people of legal age), is no business of mine.

Since marrage is a religious based insitution, my prediction is homosexuals won't get the title "Married", but in the near future, they will get all the Federal/State benefits that straight married couples now receive.

More scintillating than the original, Ian. Thanks!

I thought that Ted Kennedy looked like a jackass, sitting there shaking his head and pouting like a little boy. I agree with a lot of what Bush has done and plans to do, I do disagree with some of it. I don't like the plans for the new Patriot act. The big thing that I always realize is that it is a tough job being President of The United States. Everyone always has something to say negative about the job the Prez is doing, but would have just as many problems themselves if they were in that position. The Democrats crack me up. If we had a Democratic President in office right now (Gore and Leiberman), the terrorists would have walked all over us. Could you imagine Leiberman as our president. He is like the kid that got the crap kicked out of him every day out on the playground! When election day comes around, I will vote for the best canidate (in my eyes). I will not vote for the leading Democrat, or Bush just because he is a Republican.

Why dont you post how many occupation soldiers died after the Nazi surrender in May 1945?

Why did you have to name them Bob

Because he doesn't know. He is devoid of any original thought.

The only thing he knows is what's posted on anti-American/Commie web sites. Then he copies and pastes them here.

You have to feel sorry for him. He spent his childhood going to Black Panther rallies and anti-American protest marches.

Xterrapin was only taught WHAT to think. Not HOW to think.

What do you call two gay guys named Bob?

Oral Roberts.

-dp

Like Religious brainwashing?

Quote:

You have to feel sorry for him. He spent his childhood going to Black Panther rallies and anti-American protest marches.

I don't think he was old enough to go to Black Panther rallies, I bet he wasn't even born yet.

Quote:

Xterrapin was only taught WHAT to think. Not HOW to think.

(i.e. Religious brainwashing again)

He said it himself in a post a long time ago. My memory is fairly good.

I believe it was very early 80's and his parent's introduced him to one of the Panther's founders. I think it was Huey Newton.

Yes. Islam is quite a problem these days.

Wrong!
My parent(s)/family introduced me to politics and books, not Huey Newton personally. I have read the writings of Huey Newton (Revolutionary Suicide is on my bookshelf at home)and was given Abbie Hoffman's black leather jacket from a member of the Black Panthers; but that was in high school in the late 80's; on my own.

Well.... Which Black Panther gave you the jacket?

My older sister knew Abbie Hoffman. He lived in her building during the 80's in the Murray Hill section of Manhattan. She said he was a very strange man.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that one...

I don't remember the name of the guy, he wasn't one of the higher profile members that we all know. I wish it was Huey Newton I'll check the letter he wrote when I get home. My memory is good, but not that good.

Not that good though. Have you thought of trying Ginko?

Yes. Islam is quite a problem these days.[/QUOTE]

As well as other religious groups closer to home.

Yeah... We're spending billions on added security. We have new federal agencies. We wait in line at airports for hours and undergo everything but cavity searches. We have a federal color coded threat alert system....

All because of those OTHER religions close to home.

What about the abortion doctor killers and the clinic bombers? Did you forget about them? I'm telling you, the experts say Ginko does help with memory loss.

:rolleyes:

Uh, read what I wrote. I mentioned that after I commented on your statement in a different paragraph. It was in response to whoever watched it and complained before my post. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

BTW, glad to see you gave the President a chance. Put away your liberal agenda and realize that the best candidate for the job won. Turn the page.
Please.... with no competition this year, get used to another 4 years and I love it. I'm both happy and sad to see more people in this world are smarter than the people at XOC.

Those English lessons are really paying off now, aren't they...

Sean! I agree with you on something!!! As long as their not married in a normal church, I see no problems.

I didn't know you signed up for Spelling Police on this board. Oh well, as long as I know I'm trying to type with no one seeing, I know there's either an "'m" or "am" in there.

I knew you'd "See the Light" someday...

I just found it a little ironic, you know, with your "genius" and all...

Oh yeah. Those abortion doctor killers are the ultimate threat to national security. :rolleyes:

How many have been murdered over the last 30 years? Try not to run out of fingers while you are counting.

Does your insanity know any bounds? Comparing Islamic terrorism to a few guys who killed abortionists is beyond any rational reasoning.

Insanity? Murder in the name of religion, be it Islam, Judism, or Christianity is STILL murder. All religions throughout history have blood on their hands.

The Democrats are pathetic. They sound like bitter, little kids. Always quick to point the finger, but NEVER have any answers on how to help the situations.

If they have such "great" ideas to help the economy state them. The war? Suggest some things. Terrorism? What would they do to protect us?

Who cares if no WMD's were found? We got rid of an evil dictator who committed mass genocide against his own people. He was inviolation of 17 UN resolutions. For me, that is enough reason to get rid of him. Maybe if the World acted in 1938 Hitler would never have been successful either....

We have to teach these Muslim bastards a lesson. Mess with the US and its people and retributions will have to be made. "It is better to be feared than loved.....".

What Kennedy did last night was a disgrace. Show some respect jackass! Why was he never killed?

Same goes for Hillary. I would love to smack that sour puss off her face. What a bitch. I don't blame Bill for banging a fat pig instead of her. She makes icebergs look warm.....

Could Nancy Pelosi get any more facelifts? She looks like Joan Rivers. All I heard from her was "blah, blah, blah....". She brought NOTHING to the table last night. As usual.

Anyone wonder why that ass Daschle was sent Anthrax? What a douchebag.

How about Sen. Kerry bringing up corporate corruption such as Enron, MCI, Tyco, et al under Bush? Hey Douchebag, their stealing came under Clinton's presidency in the late 1990's. They were only caught during Bush's term.

I agreed with some things GB said last night, but not other things.

No need for the Federal gov. to get involved with sports and steriods.

No need to ever bring up marriage. What happened to separation of Church and State? If fags want to get together, fine. Just don't call it a "marriage".

High school drug testing? That is a State/local gov. problem; not Federal.

More money to help educate cons? Jeezus, how much more can we give to them?

Stone

That is true Sean, but the Islamonuts are the only ones who want to kill us all at this time in history.

As long as you understand taht I mean genius as far as my education and busting my ass off in school. A real genius is naturally born gifted which I am not. I'm only human and I make mistakes (i.e. spelling). That's fine, just as long as they're not as big as thinking "W" wasn't better than Gore and that any of the current Democrat candidates are better.

Amen Stone, well said. Just have to add a few comments:
I agree, which he didn't. He simply called them out and what better person to call them out? Someone needed too because no one was listening to us (the fans). He had no federal plan for it, just called them out.
I could be wrong, but I think that's the argument. They want to be "married".

They put a "nukular" weapon in space and have it pointed at xterrapin!

Stone... That was a funny post.

You are right. The Dems ARE pathetic. They even act pathetic and disgraceful with the cameras rolling.

Did you know that Nancy Pelosi is a member of this organization -- The Socialist International ?

Stone, you beat me to it. I want to punch that fat bastard Red Kennedy right in the face. I did like how the Dems seemed reluctant to clap about things that are good for the country. The improving economy and such. It should be obvious that they don't care about us. They wish the economy sucked, and that we hadn't caught Saddam. Truly un-American behaviour.

Nah, the best candidate didn't win. He lost in the Republican primary.

No, not all of Islam wants to kill us. A large percentage may hate us, but only a small percentage wants to kill us.

Like the Republicans didn't exhibit the same behavior when Clinton was President. How many State of the Union addresses have you watched?

:rolleyes:

Wow, when you all get back from LaLa land, let us know.

Until then we'll just hang on to these voter registration cards.

Sean, were did I say that all of Islam wants to kill us? Please don't give me that religion of peace bullshit.

Packrat, keep burying your head in the sand. The Dems like Kennedy and that bitch Hillary don't care about us. They only care about their partisan politics. They don't mind if we suffer as long as it makes the President look bad. All they care about is getting power back so they can take better care of their special interests. There are too many of these idiots on both sides of the aisle.

In your post this is about all that makes sense.

Partisan politics suck.

Issues get lost in agendas.

That is what I am talking about. Total lack of respect for the President. If he didn't like what Bush had to say, be the better man (he cannot) and put on a poker face. Don't sulk and shake your head at every word. Totally classless, but what can you expect from a Kennedy?

Same with the Cryptkeeper (aka Hillary). She had the biggest sour-puss on her face. Until someone must have told her, "Hill, ALL the networks are showing your face, better put on smile". Ewwww, can you imagine waking up next to her in the morning with no makeup? The horror.....the horror.

Stone

I didn't know you were an expert when it comes to Islam...

:rolleyes:

Coming from someone who gets all their information from the Faux News network, why am I not suprised? Let me refresh your memory sparky:

"That is true Sean, but the Islamonuts are the only ones who want to kill us all at this time in history"

Sounds like all to me. Go back to school, maybe you'll learn something this time.

There was a State of the Union Address on TV last night?

Huh.

Same shit came from the Republicans when Clinton was President. Your rage is blinding you.

Sean, fuck off. I said Islamonuts. I wasn't referring to every Muslim. Maybe you need to go back to school. I also never said I was an expert on Islam either. As much as you hate religion, I find it interesting that you defend Islam, while bashing Christianity every chance you get. Double standard much?

No. You are wrong. Republicans acted more dignified during Clinton's State of the Union speechs.

He even had to give one in 1998 less than a week after the Lewinsky scandal broke and he went on a bombing spree to get his extramarital blow job off the headlines.

The Republicans at least act classier in public. Remember the Democrats are the party of HATE. Not the Republicans.

..................

P.S. By the way... I am an expert on Islam.

PackRat,

What is wrong with what I said? You live in LaLa land. I live on the East Coast were these problems occur every day, not in Colorado high in the mountains.

They want to destroy us and Western civilization.

They will stop at nothing to accomplish this.

They want the World to live like it is the 14th century.

Bomb them into the Stoneage? What good what that do? They already live in the Stoneage.

Our exhistence is dependant on destroying these terrorists. Being kind to them (like the Democrats want) will never do a dam thing. Ask the Israelis.

We could have already been out of Iraq already if we demolished the country with bombs. That is not our goal. Our Goal is to keep the infrastructure intact (and civilians alive) and to help the Iraqi people rebuild there and instill a democractic form of government.

Stone

Sean,

I have no rage. Kennedy is a POS, just like his two brothers were and their father.

They use the poor and downtrodden as political pawns for their agendas, while they live high off the hog. You think 'ol Ed knows what it is like to be hungry? I doubt it.....

Stone

Is somebody getting angry? Does your diaper need changing? In my eyes no religion is better than the other, and only a brainwashed little curd would think otherwise. Your mother should have held you back a year.

:rolleyes:

I'm leaving most of what you wrote because it is so damn funny.

The Islamic faith accounts for one out of every 4 people on earth. It is the second largest religion in the United States.

If every member of Islam was really bent on killing all americans and destroying Western Civilization, we wouldn't be writing these pathetic little notes on the internet right now. (Plus there's the somewhat comedic notion of millions of Amaericans killing themselves because they are Americans and their faith tells them to kill Americans...)

I think you mean to say that Islamic extremists, which account for a small percentage of Muslims, are bent on terrorism and destruction.

A

I could give a rats ass if you hate the Kennedys or not. My point was sullen faces were also witnessed at Clinton's State of the Union addresses from the Republicans.

You got those figures from an Islamic site:

http://islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm

They are exaggerated and not accurate.

Nonsense. They never took their salary in politics. It was always donated (and still is with red nosed Ted).

Quote:

You think 'ol Ed knows what it is like to be hungry? I doubt it.....

So you have to be poor to even sympathize with them? Guess that makes Dubya just as suspect when it comes to his "compassionate conservativism."

Ummmm no, I didn't. Thanks for playing though.

I can't help but notice that you are in no big hurry to provide what you feel are the right numbers.

And, rather than respond to the points made, in typical Madman fashion, you wander off on a tangent with a bullwhip in search of a dead horse to flog.

-dp

Why should I have to provide you with numbers when your numbers are obviously bullshit.

You claim that 25% of the world is Muslim. Not true. Estimates are more like 1.2 billion at present.

You claim Islam is the second largest religion in America. Also a crock of shit. There are what, maybe 10 million Muslims in America. We have a population between 280-300 million.

I think you need to try again.

How is that dead horse?

OMG you're funny!

What's so funny?

Explain how 10 million people could constitute the second largest religion in America.

Madman, it's obvious that you don't have the info to back yourself up.

PS: In regards to you saying that the statistics were wrong about Islam because they came from an Islamic site, would you also say that a Jewish site that says 6 million Jews were killed by Hitler was a bullshit statistic also?

I'm just using your thought process here. That's all.

My point, which (as usual) sailed through your head without hitting anything of substance, was that all Muslims are not bent on destroying Western Civilization and killing all Americans. This was in rebuttal to some here on this board who seem to adhere to this misconception.

No one knows for sure the exact numbers. My numbers may well have been wrong. But that's not the point.

I'll go with the numbers you provide, they'll do.

If 10 million people, all Americans, really bent on killing all Americans and destroying Western Civilization, we wouldn't be writing these pathetic little notes on the internet right now. (Plus there's the somewhat comedic notion of millions of Amaericans killing themselves because they are Americans and their faith tells them to kill Americans...)

There.

That's a very frightening peice of news. Anyone who belongs to this organization loses all credibility in my mind.

But I'll be Sean likes her! :rolleyes:

Top Ten Religions of the world:

Christianity: 1.9 billion (1 in 3)
Islam: 1.1 billion (1 in 5)
Hindu: 781 million
Buddhist: 324 million
Sikhs: 19 million
Jews: 14 million
Baha'i: 6.1 million
Confucianism: 5.3 million
Jains: 4.9 million
Shinto: 2.8 million

Top Religions of the US (Christianity split somewhat):
Protestant: 56%
Roman Catholic: 28%
Jew: 1%
Everything else: 15%

Source: Information Please Almanac

Let me make a suggestion. Don't post things that "sailed through your head without hitting anything of substance" as facts then turn around and say you made a mistake when called on it. All the while acting like a snot nose kid.

Are you now a propagandist?

First of all WilMac...

Can you go for just one day of your life without being a dick?

No one here uses the "fuck you" smiley more than you do. Cut back a little and try to talk rationally. Stop giving the finger to everything.

Your comparison to the Jews killed by Hitler is ridiculous.

Did you actually read the site http://islamicweb.com/ ? I doubt that you checked it out. It is a propaganda site. I wouldn't believe any statistics posted there.

So..you STILL don't understand my point? Do you use gloves with that bullwhip? It must chafe.

Sad.

I did something that the vast majority of peole arguing politics on the internet never do. I adnmitted I might have been wrong.

Your turn.

Wooohooo! My religion won!

I win!



When does this thread get banished to the ALR?

Sean, I don't think I've ever heard you be so angry, hateful and insulting... are you sure you're not a Deaniac? Are you taking your meds?

What is your point. You posted bullshit and I called it bullshit.

Oh come on! Quit putting words in my mouth Sean. I never said any religion was better than the other. I am not a religious person at all. I can call you stupid and brainwashed for what you believe as well. You still were ASSuming I was talking about all Muslims. Once again, read this slooooowwwwllllyyyy. I said Islamonuts, otherwise known as extremists, terrorists, Jihadis, whatever you want to call them. I never said all Muslims. That is completely ridiculous. I have worked for Muslims that were some of the best people I have ever known. :rolleyes: They would give you the shirt off their back if need be. Getting them to pay overtime was another story though.

This really isn't that hard.

I'll give you some time. Read back through it and think.

Was the main point of the argument the statistics.

Or(HINT)was there something else being said.

Good luck!

Here\'s a poll from ABC.

Not when I'm your nemisis.

Not really, you said, and I quote: "You got those figures from an Islamic site...They are exaggerated and not accurate."

By the same token, using your argument, if I was to pull a statistic from a Jewish website that said Hitler killed 6 million Jews, you would also call that BS, because it's a pro-Jewish stance. It's your argument, not mine.

I'm sick of everything that's posted that calls out your BS being called "propaganda" by you.

If you don't agree with it, you automatically call it "propiganda," even if all of the evidence says you are wrong.

You're like arguing with a brick wall. Pointless.

Yeah I went there. It's just a site that explains what Islam is. So what? An informational site that explains Islam.

I guess that makes Bible.com propoganda too.

Now you are being nothing but an annoying little dick.

You posted some bullshit facts. I asked you did you get the figures from a certain site. I then said your figures were not accurate...hence the bullshit.

You then accused me of going off on a tangent. In actuality, it is you who have gone off on some tangent.

That's all that happened. What in your mind do you think happened?

Seriously, Sean. Chill out.

That's the second time in a row for you mentioning my name specifically. I'm not the only one here posting nasties you know.

Well since you insist on being on the business end of my wrath, Fuck you! The puss from Dean's pimpled ass has more substance than you've ever posted!

:p

You want a piece of me too?



(Am I missing something here?)

Your last five days' worth of meds, to start with . . .

Naw, I'm just feeling like taking on everyone and everything today...long, nasty day, and i guess I'm just ready for some word wars. hahaha.

No harm, no foul. LOL

I like you, that's why I'll kill you last.

Gents,

This thread was supposed to be about Bush and his State of the Union. How did we get into religion? Lighten up Francis



-dp

You are arguing with yourself here.
You make up some ridiculous comparison and then call it MY argument. You are your own brick wall.

You can't have a debate with anyone by putting words in someones mouth, then arguing that point as if the other person said it.

Getting back to the Islamic web site, I stand by what I said. It is a propaganda site designed for the sole purpose of painting Islam in a glowing light. You can believe whatever you want to believe.

eh...I don't believe it. ABC is a commie media outlet.

Not if I shoot first, punk.

Oh I get it, pig pile on Sean time.

I hear you, I'm in the same mood.

I'm extra spunky today because:

I"LL BE WATCHING THE PATRIOTS TAKE THE SUPERBOWL ON MY NEW 42" PLASMA TV!



Madman,

Care to join me on Superbowl Sunday? Don't forget to bring the Sam's!

It would be nice to watch it on that TV you bought.

If you lived closer I might take you up on it. I'm also rooting for NE.

How and why are we in ALR already? Couldn't you guys play nice and debate without the insults? It always results in namecalling and insults :rolleyes: .

How do you guys function at work when there is a disagreement?
You have to be tolerant of other people's opinions.

Before you know it the thread will locked and deleted.

We were talking originally about last night's S of U address, correct? Lets stay on course...

I cannot stand how everyone (almost everyone ) claps after every sentence. The damn speech would be 25 minutes if he went uninterupted.

Stone

Why's that? The president himself sure as hell isn't.

Yes. We were talking about the speech....... and this junior senator's reaction to everything that was said..

Gents, here's a sexy picture to help calm you down.

-dp

And then everyone applauded StoneCold's Speech.

What does that mean? Please explain. The majority of the country is in favor of the war.

Tolerant means LISTENING to other's opinions. It doesn't mean AGREEING with them. :rolleyes:

Stone

WilMac1023,

What speech? I am just trying to be civil.

You are argue like a 10-year old.

I do not know what you do for a living, but with your debating skills you do not sound like management to me. IMO. If so, I feel sorry for the people working for you if they ever have to express an opposing opinion to yours.

Stone

Wilmac, I somehow knew you liked to wear makeup. When's the operation???

He gets the look from hopping on this every night with Sean.


Come on, you know you like it boys...

Yeah, but you're the most fun to poke fun at.

You're especially fun to poke fun at when you incorrectly spell "pus"

Spelling police please....


puss1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ps) Informal
n.

1. A cat.
2. A girl or young woman.

[Probably of Germanic origin.]

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puss2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ps)
n. Slang

1. The mouth.
2. The human face.

[Irish Gaelic pus, mouth, from Middle Irish bus, lip.]

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puss

\Puss\ (p[.u]s), n. [Cf. D. poes, Ir. & Gael. pus.] 1. A cat; -- a fondling appellation.

2. A hare; -- so called by sportsmen.

Puss in the corner, a game in which all the players but one occupy corners of a room, or certain goals in the open air, and exchange places, the one without a corner endeavoring to get a corner while it is vacant, leaving some other without one.

Puss moth (Zo["o]l.), any one of several species of stout bombycid moths belonging to Cerura, Harpyia, and allied genera, esp. Harpyia vinuli, of Europe. The larv[ae] are humpbacked, and have two caudal appendages.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

puss

n 1: obscene terms for female genitals [syn: cunt, pussy, nooky, slit] 2: informal terms [syn: kitty, kitty-cat, pussy, pussycat]

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

Oooeee You get all huffy when people horn in on your territory!

I suggest going and whacking some penguins until you feel better.

(Maybe they'll let you use your bullwhip!)

Are all you leftists deleriuos? You post false info then I call you on it and you somehow accuse me of changing the topic.

The bullwhip belongs to you pal.

No, it won't.

This is the point of the ALR -- namecalling, heated flaming, barbs and slings and arrows, oh my!

Unless you do something stupid (or I start calling for another snake, and socal gets his left nut all twisted outta shape about it -- again), then this thread will be fine . . .

Stoopid-type person . . .

Oh wow. You are getting close! Good work.

HINT: You had already changed the topic.

Ahhhh now there is the Love, correct me if I am wrong did we not have a deathmatch scheduled in a NY parking lot between the 2 of you about a year ago?. Glad to see the love between 2 guys in a NON DEVIANT MANLY kinda way....

She's a hell of a lot better than what pounds your skinny ass at night:



Is it true that you and Andre share this tall drink of water?

What the hell, let's make it a threesome, you're invited too Claus. Canadians make some of the best damn beer on the planet!

I replied to your reply about Islam to Stonecold. You were already talking about Islam.

HINT: You're pulling crap out of your ass.

You are just embarrassed because you intentionally posted a lie and got called on it. That's all.

Oh my, that's humourous.

OK, since you have displayed an utter inability to discern the point, and are resorting to calling me a liar (when I admitted the mistake) I wil spell it out for you.

I really thought you were smarter.

A few folks were saying words to the effect of "All Muslims hate America and want to destroy Western Civilization"

I think this is inaccurate. (Odd that in your penchant for statistical rectitude you have completely missed out on this opportunity to set the record straight.)

I mentioned some statistics which probably are not correct BUT the POINT is that if All muslims were as evil and ill intentioned as they were made out ot be, the streets of America would be a war zone.

That was my point. It is here that you picked up the inaccurate statistics and headed into left field.

Yet oddly you have yet to respond to this:

"Yep my mind is sick and twisted because I don't give a rat's ass wether or not a man marries a man or a woman marries a woman. It just doesn't affect me. Your mind however is not sick and perverted because you get your panties up in a bunch worrying about and imagining the actions of a group of people that you dislike intensely. Your logic is stunning.
How does gay marriage affect you? You hate gays, sure. But you hate a lot of things and people. What I'm asking is this: in your day to day life, how does the fact that gays can marry affect you? Your ability to carve out your life? Answer me that.

I gotta tell you son, there's a lot worse things going on out there than gays getting married.

Gay marriage is so unimportant compared with the other things on the national plate right now. A constitutional amendment? Are you really for that?

How about the economy and national security? I think those are a tad more important. And a tad more relevant to the average american.

Well, since it's not from Fox News, the left would HAVE to agree with it.

Of course, they'll spin it somehow and call one of their own a liar.

Do have any idea how ridiculous your last post sounded? I'm sure you don't. You have actually just proved me correct. I didn't head into any outfield.

I can see that somehow in your mind you seem to expect me to respond to every single concept brought up in previous posts in this thread. Well I can't. You were discussing Muslims destroying Western civilization with another user. I have no idea why you feel I had to be involved with that aspect of the dialogue. It's also strange of you to think because I was not replying to that aspect of the dialogue I somehow changed the subject. This was a busy thread today and I can't jump into everything. I also can't type that fast to keep up with everything. I only respond to the dialogues I am in or I jump into another if I feel it appropriate. As I did with you.

I also felt no need to get into a dialogue with you discussing your beloved gays. All I did was tell you to give us a break with your pro gay bullshit. It really didn't require a response beyond that. Maybe you were disappointed. I don't know. Plus we have been over this subject. You know my position on that issue and I know yours.

If I disappoint you by not responding to every concept posted, too bad. If you want my opinion on something, just ask me directly. I'm not shy to offer an opinion as you already know.

But by not responding to everything no way means I changed the subject of anything. I actually thought YOU were smarter than that. I guess the artsy fartsy image you put out is a facade.

On a side note.... It might serve you well to stop with the effeminate comments like "Oh my, that's humourous". You can talk like a regular guy. It's just a message board. It's not a Greenwich Village art house fundraiser.

So you surrender? I accept.

Look, you are the one that comes to the Xterra Owner's Club and only wants to launch (not discuss, mind you) political diatribes. You are completely biased, unwilling to answer direct questions that challenge your assumptions and beliefs. You belittle anyone who disagrees wih you. And NOW you seem to be saying "Talk this way, I don't like it when you talk that way."

You are laughable. I have been having fun with you, and I b'lieve others have profitied from the spectacle.

The only tinge of sadness is that you seem to take it so seriously, and seem to think you are...accomplishing something.



Respond all funny-like again..please?

If you're planning on inviting this to your Super Bowl gathering count me in!!! I'll bring the veggie tray!

That is a crock of shit and you know it. When I'm on the board I discuss any topic and have discussed everything here. I always answer any questions put to me directly.

I don't belittle everyone. As a matter of fact there is only a small handful of people I belittle. You happen to be one of them.

Everyone is biased on most major issues in life. It's called opinions.

I'm glad you are having fun. I have just as much fun with you lefties. Why do you think I even bother. I don't take it as serious as you may think. I'm sure you feel that way because sometimes my words may seem harsh and that probably offends your feminine sensitivities. If it does, too bad.

And no... I definitely don't post on a message board for any sense of accomplishment. Why type of accomplishmnet would anyone get out of it? It's all in fun. Even arguing sometimes can be fun you know. If you weren't half a woman you might understand that.

I don't care how you talk. I thought I was being nice by telling you that you sound like a fruit when you use expressions like "Oh my, that's humourous". In many sections of New York you would be bitch slapped on site if you said that out loud. So... I guess I'll stop being so nice to you then.

I knew you'd get a kick out of that Boy George picture. Believe me, I wouldn't dream of standing in the way of love, he's all yours!

No...but THIS is:

That last snake? Yeah, I won that one.

Wrong. That is not even close to a true statement. There is at least one direct question to you posed in this very thread that remains unanswered. And I can think of several other instances that you have chosen to retreat rather than answer. Trust me. You don't want to take this stand.

Bet you can't coherently express why without resorting to ad hominem!

Two words for this pathetic attempt at rebuttal.

BWAA HAAAAHHHH!!!!

Yep, assault the masculinity, if it works on you, it must work for everyone else, right? .....Right?....

See above. You are concerned with things you shouldn't be concerned with. Creepy.

Yes you do. You took the time to say so on a public message forum. Be honest with yourself, first and foremost.

So your underlying theme here is your perception of my sexuality. You seem to need to cast me as effenimate. If that floats your boat, go to town. I don't care. But I do suggest talking to someone about your conflictions. First work on your rage and hatred, then once that is adequately expressed, work on those unexpressed feelings.

What? No don't get mad. Im only reflecting what YOU said.

Here's the thing. You think you are talking about politics, but you don't REALLY talk about them. You parrot a party line that you read somewhere, then you retreat and never actually TALK about the ISSUE. You just like stirring the pot and sounding important. But there's nothing there. Nada. I'll listen to any opposing argumet, but you don't even have that. Face it. "Democrats Suck" is not really a defensible position on it's own. Think critically. Think deeply. Bumper sticker politics do not really define the thinking man.

Final clue:

It's a forum about Xterras. No one really cares.

Get over yourself.

Holy Hell, what happened to this thread?

There hasn't been this much fighing in one day on the XOC since Sept-11.

Since this topic is already in the fire I'll just throw some more wood on.

Here's a view on the S of the U from outside the US:
Bush Act Starts To Wear Thin

He's very anti bush but raises some good points.

For example:

Who going to be the first extremist to prove their racism by declareing the whole article void because the writer has an Arab name?

NY Madman, you're a F*%^@ing idiot. It's not about religion, dumbass.

Sure it is. The Muslim extremists do not want to kill us because we support Isreal. They want to kill us because we are not muslim extremists.

Of course it is dumbass. Why do you think they call it a holy war against the infidels? I swear you and PackRat are about as smart as a box full of severed dickheads. He thinks he is mister sophistication, while you have no concept of the matter at hand obviously. I disagree with you FlyerFan to a certain extent. They do hate our support of Israel. They hate it because we won't allow them to kill all of the Jews. If the rejectionist Jihadis had their way they would kill us all.

It has nothing to do with extremism or racism. That's where you leftists reveal your pyschosis.

Haroon Siddiqui is a total peice of shit. With very little effort a Google Search reveals a wealth of articles he has written. If you defend this guy after reading some his leftist anti-American anti-Western filth you are worse than I had thought. He is an apologist for third world terrorism and is also a Muslim who blames America for what happened on 9/11. He is a glowing supporter of other Muslims who support Palestinian terrorism like Edward Said.

He blames everything on the West and America. Every problem in the third world in Siddiqui's twisted mind is our fault.

He is the lowest of the low and you are a disgrace to accuse anyone who attacks his anti-American venom as being a racist. You are just as sick as Siddiqui. You are proof that out of control leftism is a mental illness.

I'd be willing to bet this guy has ties to terrorist enabling organizations in Canada and elsewhere.

Here is a quote from the author you think raises some good points. It was written a week after 9/11:

"Either out of ignorance or calculation, the theories on the motives for last week's attacks avoid the most obvious. It is due to American complicity in injustice, lethal and measurable, on several fronts. Not all the conflicts can be blamed on America but many can be and have been, especially in the last decade, only to draw indifference or, more scandalously, a barrage of propaganda blaming the victims themselves: that Muslim genes must account for all the savagery and suffering around them."

What is that thing?!?

Honestly Sean, you have a lot more in common with Boy George than I do... (being a flaming liberal and all)

Hey idiot. What fantasyland are you living in?

Tell me... In all of your wisdom, who are these terrorists that all the security and threat alerts are referring to if they are not Muslim terrorists? Maybe those evil bastards at Catholic Charities? Could be the Salvation Army? That's it.. there's an "army" in their name. It sounds belligerent. Must be them.

Every time there has been a threat alert it has ALWAYS been in response to threats from MUSLIM terrorists. Regardless of whether you are willing to accept the truth or not in your politically correct version of reality, that is the hard truth.

Yeah... all Muslims are not terrorists, but all the terrorists that all the security is geared towards ARE Muslim terrorists.

That's Mr. flaming liberal to you pal.

:p

Boy George was always a freak to begin with, but that new look of his just takes the cake.

That's a very Jewish thing to say.

You know...circumcision...it's a joke....

LAUGH DAMMIT!! LIGHTEN UP!!

-dp

Wow, you guys really are bunched up about that aren't you?

If you would take time to read what I'm saying, you would discover that all I'm trying to say is that you were ascribing the beliefs of a small percentage of the Islamic faith to the religion as a whole.

Now you are beginning to moderate your statements to "reactionist Jihadis", which is more accurate.

That's all I was trying to say.

I don't know why this is so hard for you guys.

I parrot a party line? Oh really. What party would that be? If you are referring to the Republican Party then you obviously have not read most of my posts on the subject of politics. Out of all the conservatives on this board, I would say I am the one who is the most critical of the Republican Party.

Do I like to stir the pot? Sometimes. Most of us do. There hasn't been a serious political debate on this board in a long time. We are all guilty of typing one or two line responses to posts without going into detail.

I have also had many serious debates here and backed up my positions with credible evidence. There just hasn't been anything serious here on the political or social front in a long time.

You seem to forget that you people on the left are just as guilty of dragging the level of dialogue down to new lows. For example look at the post above from one of your leftist friends Kerensky97. He started out his post by calling anyone who dared to question an author of an article he linked to as being a racist and extremist. All in advance of any expected responses. How fucked up is that?

Stop with your bullshit. Just spit it out. This dialogue with you is getting old and stale. What do you want to ask me? Post this direct question you claim I have missed. Stop trying to act like some sophisticated snob and just ask what you want to know.

Bullshit! I never once said it was all Muslims. I don't believe that. If I did I would not support what we are doing in Iraq at all. I would want us to 'nuke 'em all'. This is of course an assinine position.

What can I say, I am an infidel after all!

See. That's the thing. You are so into partisan politics that you autmatically assume I am talking about rep/dem. What I'm saying is that you adhere to your viewpoint (which is fine, not a thing wrong with that) but you refuse to look around it, and at it. You enter every "debate" assured that you are right and everyone else is a hippie, living in a commune, with questionable sexual tendencies. There is no middle ground for you. You claim to know all about someone's political and social beliefs based on a few posts on a message board. That gets damned annoying. Moreover, you are pretty much wrong on most of what you think I am.



See? Tell me why I am "on the left".



See? I have no ties with Kerensky97. We are two different people, with, I'm sure, two different world views. But you seem unable to fathom that level of complexity.

Sigh. So you don't really read much of this do you? I have posted it and reposted it. Why should I ask it again? Forget it. If you want to be obtuse,then you will. If you want to answer the question, you will go find it and answer it. I think this is just another example of you chasing a tangent rather than entering into any sort of debate.

Cool. Then we're done here.

Maybe this will lighten things up in here...

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. She considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, but her father was a staunch Republican. One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to high taxes and welfare programs. He stopped her and asked how she was doing in school. She answered that she had a 4.0 GPA, but it was really tough. She had to study all the time and never had time to go out and party. She didn't have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying. On top of that, the part-time job her father insisted she keep left absolutely no time for anything else. He asked, How is your friend Mary?' She replied that Mary was barely getting by. She had a 2.0 GPA, never studied, but was very popular on campus, didn't have a job, and went to all the parties. She was always complaining about not having any money, but didn't want to work. Why, she often didn't show up for classes because she was hung over. Dad then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the Dean's office and request that 1.0 be taken off her 4.0 and given it to her friend who only had a 2.0. That way they would both have a respectable 3.0 GPA. Then, she could also give her friend half the money she'd earned from her job so that her friend would no longer be broke. The daughter angrily fired back, 'That wouldn't be fair. I worked really hard for my grades and money, and Mary just loafs. Why should her laziness and irresponsibility be rewarded with half of what I've worked for?' The father slowly smiled and said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party'."

Lol, I loved that one. Speaking of oldies, this one's a classic:

Hey FudgePackedRat....

Not only are you an annoying effeminate snob, you are beyond any rational sense.

You accuse me of towing the "party line" and then you turn around in your next post and deny that the "party" was a political party but supposed to mean my own ideals. Whose ideals should I defend and adhere to? Yours?

So who is being 'obtuse'? Maybe your bullshit works with your poetry reading friends but it is ridiculous here on this message board. You impress no one with your hoity-toity attitude.

Your attempts at elitist patronization might work on someone who cared. I don't.

And yes ... Of course you are on the left end of the political spectrum. You didn't start posting yesterday and I didn't just pull your name out of a hat as someone who is an elitist liberal.

Let's just agree that you don't like me and I certainly don't like you. We can leave it at that.

I accept your surrender.

You have succesfully dodged evey issue and direct question. Choosing instead to make public your fantasies about my sexuality.

Bye.

Childish namecalling.

How to tell NY Madman is losing yet another debate.

Uhhhh, I think Packrat just hit a homer....

Time to let it go.

Vote Libertarian!!

Depends on whos point of view.

Yeah...if the point of view is the inside of his own anus, then it's Madman's point of view.

He suffers from Cranial Rectosis.

Maybe, just maybe you're obsessed with Madman's rectum? Oh, and fat chicks too... and my mom.

Madman's Rectum=not so much.

Fat Chicks=nice boobies.

Your mom=the fattest and nicest boobs I've seen...I like gettin between em...

but she's too dirty. I might catch something, so I only hit that on Thursdays with three condoms. backatcha.

For all those wondering about Wilmac's taste in women, this is a picture of my mom...

Damn, it's not the best picture in the world...she's MUCH taller in person.

She's a MAN baby!

BTW, NY Madman, here is bit of interesting information, isnt it:

"..So what has this to do with politics? According to CAIR 78% of Muslims voted Republican in 2000. That is because many American Muslims say they share the same social values as the Republicans"

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3422685.stm

There has been much written about Muslim political support for both parties. There is no doubt that Muslims gave plenty of money to Democrats. Hillary Clinton benefited from generous Muslim contributions as one example.

In the 2000 election most Muslims may have voted for Bush for two reasons:

-Al Gore is very pro-gay rights. Muslims are not.
-Joe Lieberman was running as VP. He is Jewish. Muslims hate Jews and perceived that ticket as being too pro-Israel to support.

To say that Muslims have primarily voted and supported Republicans would be false.

To rely on the BBC for any credible info regarding Arabs or Islam is a huge mistake. They are very biased. Why do you think people call them the "Baghdad Broadcasting Corp."?

To rely on CAIR as a credible source for any accurate information would also be a mistake. They are an organization with questionable motives and some of their leaders have been tied to terrorism.

CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad told a crowd of California Muslims in July 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."

Some interesting reading:

http://www.meforum.org/article/13

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/394

What are legitimate news sources to you Madman? Now you claim the BBC isn't worthy to get info. Where can we get info, so that we can have a discussion with you, without you resorting to that tired argument.

A list would be nice, please.

The BBC is not a good source to quote on Arab or Muslim affairs. They are totally biased in that area.

If they weren't, do you think the British Navy would have thrown them off their aircraft carrier in the beginning of the war?

Plus can you believe anyone who uses CAIR as a legitimate source for information as the linked article did?

Gotta agree. The BBC also won't allow their reporters to refer to Saddam as a former dictator because they supposedly want to not be biased. Is there anyone who doesn't think Saddam is a former dictator?

Um, xterrapin?

It's much worse than that.

The BBC Chairman had to quit today over an inquiry into what amounts to basically lies told by the BBC.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cpress/20040128/ca_pr_on_wo/hutton_inquiry_7

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1033550.htm

The whole organization is nothing but a mere shadow of it's former self. They are not much different than most western elitist media machines. They are not above lying and twisting the facts to promote THEIR OWN political ideals.

You can read the BBC's own reporting on the Lord Hutton investigation below... that's if you can trust the BBC to report accurately on an investigation into itself.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2003/david_kelly_inquiry/

You mistook the meaning of my post, I wasn't accusing anybody who disagreed with me as being racist I was just waiting for you or your shadows to accuse Siddiqui of being a terrorist because he has an Arab background. Unfortuneately you were the only one that came close. But with your normal nazi-esque pro-genocide comments I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

One thing we both agree with, Siddiqui is pretty extreme, I don't agree with much he says except a few points in the article I linked. Yet you keep trying to put words in my mouth by claiming I like him or have some attraction to him. Just like the commie connections you keep trying to tie me to. I don't think anybody will disagree that you have a very active imagination.

And you claims that BBC is biased is one of the most hypocritical things you've ever said. Every link you post has right wing connections.
Your favorite source of information, NewsMax.com is more biased propaganda site than BBC, almost every story they have bashes liberals. All you have to do is check out their store to see where their bias lies.

I guess as with everything else in you mind, if it's not American its an enemy.

Just about every media outlet will show some form of bias, but there's a huge difference between showing bias and flat out lying. The BBC has done this and is rightfully paying the price for it.

eyup. :rolleyes:

truth be told - those guys did stand after every sentence that GW said. i would have just stood throughout the speech to save my knees.

up and down and up and down.