Posted by: Trihead
Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 09:38 AM
Just heard they are at war. Any one find it yet?
Lebanon and Israel
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
Just heard they are at war. Any one find it yet?
Just heard they are at war. Any one find it yet?
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 11:11 AM
Good point, my bad.
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 11:28 AM
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 12:12 PM
why couldn't it be Syria instead...
Posted by: Big Daddy Chia
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 12:17 PM
Guess I better get in shape. WWIII is coming and I just know they are gonna want my fat ass to join.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Desert_Rat:
why couldn't it be Syria instead...
why couldn't it be Syria instead...
When you talk about Lebanon, you're really talking about Syria too. With Hezbollah doing the fighting, it's both Syria and Iran.
Syria and Iran have a mutual defense pact. If one gets attacked they are both involved.
Israel has called up reserve troops. Syria now has it's armed forces on alert. Iran’s national security adviser is now in Syria.
Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are cheering on their fellow terrorists.
It sure seems like something big is going to happen.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 12:47 PM
^^^^^ Yeah, and it's unlikely to end well for the Arabs. I wouldn't be so anxious to stir up trouble as the Syrians and Iranians seem to be. ![[Uh Oh !]](graemlins/uhoh.gif)
I doubt Israel will fight with an arm tied behind their back like our troops have been forced to in Iraq. F-ing politicians and media.
I doubt Israel will fight with an arm tied behind their back like our troops have been forced to in Iraq. F-ing politicians and media.
Posted by: spalind
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 01:10 PM
Yeah...and the guys how just nabbed the two Isrealis came out and said that they are safe and "far, far away..." from where they were abducted....if they cross the border with them into Syria...lookout...Isreali's don't play that game....Would be nice to see them turn Syria, Lebanon and (fingers crossed) Iran into a smoking parking lot...
Posted by: TJ
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 01:15 PM
Yeah, Israel tends to hit back a bit harder than we do...we get all hyped up to get even with the terrorist for blowing up US skyscrapers and killing thousands of people...and then get mired in politically correct warfare. (Which can be kind of of us sweet really)
Israel gets terrorist attacks, with thousands of dead and wounded, and retaliates by bull dozing the houses of terrorists, etc, - the terrorists fight back by wailing how the mean Israelis bull dozed the kind doctor's house and killed his baby niece...but surprise surprise...they discover that the terrorists "borrow" people/babies from hospitals/other religeous factions, and sprikle them about for effect from time to time...to spin the retailiation in their favor.
If it were America, we'd be apologizing and court martialing Marines left and right, begging for international forgiveness.
In Isreal, they're more in the mode of "Fuck'm - They're lying, we were justified".
Of course, in the middle east, it really never matters who's right once blood is spilled...it must be "avenged".
So Israel knows this reality, as do the terrorists, and they just tilt at each other over and over.
The fact that whenever the surrounding forces have attacked Israel, vowing to destroy them/push them into the sea, etc...Israel not only wins, but takes the bordering land a s buffer zone to help keep out terrorists.
Then the terrorists wail that Israel took their land/built a big fence through it so they cannot get to their families olive grove/shoe store, or whatever.
Israel lets a few remain within rocket range a favor/to be nice, and rockets start landing on Israeli towns.
:rolleyes:
Israel says, OK, I'll give you that buffer zone land back, if you promise not to come over and blow up school buses full of children, bistro diners, etc.
Most there want peace, on both sides.
The ones who don't sabotague it every chance they get.
Now, the terrorists are trying hostage taking. If you pay for hostages, as has happened in South/Central America, hostage taking becomes a HUGELY successful strategy.
Israel says no negotiating with terrorists, because it encourages whatever behavior works for terrorism....and rolls into Fuck'm back mode.
And here we are.
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Israel gets terrorist attacks, with thousands of dead and wounded, and retaliates by bull dozing the houses of terrorists, etc, - the terrorists fight back by wailing how the mean Israelis bull dozed the kind doctor's house and killed his baby niece...but surprise surprise...they discover that the terrorists "borrow" people/babies from hospitals/other religeous factions, and sprikle them about for effect from time to time...to spin the retailiation in their favor.
If it were America, we'd be apologizing and court martialing Marines left and right, begging for international forgiveness.
In Isreal, they're more in the mode of "Fuck'm - They're lying, we were justified".
Of course, in the middle east, it really never matters who's right once blood is spilled...it must be "avenged".
So Israel knows this reality, as do the terrorists, and they just tilt at each other over and over.
The fact that whenever the surrounding forces have attacked Israel, vowing to destroy them/push them into the sea, etc...Israel not only wins, but takes the bordering land a s buffer zone to help keep out terrorists.
Then the terrorists wail that Israel took their land/built a big fence through it so they cannot get to their families olive grove/shoe store, or whatever.
Israel lets a few remain within rocket range a favor/to be nice, and rockets start landing on Israeli towns.
:rolleyes:
Israel says, OK, I'll give you that buffer zone land back, if you promise not to come over and blow up school buses full of children, bistro diners, etc.
Most there want peace, on both sides.
The ones who don't sabotague it every chance they get.
Now, the terrorists are trying hostage taking. If you pay for hostages, as has happened in South/Central America, hostage taking becomes a HUGELY successful strategy.
Israel says no negotiating with terrorists, because it encourages whatever behavior works for terrorism....and rolls into Fuck'm back mode.
And here we are.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 01:19 PM
I'll say it before and I'll say it again - I love the way Israel looks after its own and kicks ass without all the bullshit.
Someone kidnaps their soldiers, they start blowing shit up.
Someone kidnaps their soldiers, they start blowing shit up.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 01:32 PM
Israel looks after it's own the best they can.
Russia has diplomats beheaded by Muslim terrorists, they order hit squads into Iraq to find and kill those responsible.
Here in the US, we get two soldiers beheaded by Muslim terrorists and two weeks later our Supreme Court grants and showers all terrorists with unprecedented new rights.
You can criticize this country for fighting a politically correct war, but the truth is, there are just too many people in this country who REFUSE TO ALLOW our war against terrorists to be fought correctly. Whether the bad guys are in Iraq or anywhere else.
Russia has diplomats beheaded by Muslim terrorists, they order hit squads into Iraq to find and kill those responsible.
Here in the US, we get two soldiers beheaded by Muslim terrorists and two weeks later our Supreme Court grants and showers all terrorists with unprecedented new rights.
You can criticize this country for fighting a politically correct war, but the truth is, there are just too many people in this country who REFUSE TO ALLOW our war against terrorists to be fought correctly. Whether the bad guys are in Iraq or anywhere else.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 02:16 PM
Yeah, Israel sure is great. I love how they attacked the USS Liberty in '67. Viscious bastards. Kill whomever may get in the way, ask questions later; a good policy towards peace in the region. It really seems to be working too.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 02:18 PM
I'll bet they have negative attitudes towards miners, too.
Creeps, all the way 'round . . .
Creeps, all the way 'round . . .
Posted by: PDXterra
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 02:46 PM
I heard Israel killed Syd Barrett.
Posted by: NismoXse02
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Branden Burden:
Yeah, Israel sure is great. I love how they attacked the USS Liberty in '67. Viscious bastards. Kill whomever may get in the way, ask questions later; a good policy towards peace in the region. It really seems to be working too.
Yeah, Israel sure is great. I love how they attacked the USS Liberty in '67. Viscious bastards. Kill whomever may get in the way, ask questions later; a good policy towards peace in the region. It really seems to be working too.
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Posted by: Strider
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 03:08 PM
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I heard Israel killed Syd Barrett.
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Hilarious!
Posted by: TJ
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 03:09 PM
The USS LIberty was a mistaken identity, caused by the ship being in an area supposedly cleared of US ships...and the guy claiming to have been in a war room meeting in Israel where they "Planned to Purposefully sink the Liberty" was proven false, as the General supposedly at the meeting was found to be a fictious charactor.
The US shot down and sank various allied parties as well, including one not too long ago, where we also mistook a freind for a foe due to the confusion of operations.
It happens all the time...GI's have shot their best freinds in the back in an accidental cross fire, etc...its a part of the shit that happens when we try to kill each other.
Hell, if the knife is slippery from blood, you can cut yourself stabbing someone else, when your hand slips onto the blade.
The Israelis biggest concern when they found out the ship wasn't the Egyptian they first thought is that they might have sunk a RUSSIAN ship...and their frantic communicaitons were about a possible mistaken sinking of a Russian, not a US, ship.
They were mostly afraid they had brough Russia into the conflict as an adversary...that was one thing they dreaded.
They immediately apologized for the sinking to the US once they found out they wouldn't be nuked by russia, etc.
So, a viscious attack? Hardly...other examples of Israel attaking the US, or a motive for it? Hardly.
Now, the killing of Christ thing...
The US shot down and sank various allied parties as well, including one not too long ago, where we also mistook a freind for a foe due to the confusion of operations.
It happens all the time...GI's have shot their best freinds in the back in an accidental cross fire, etc...its a part of the shit that happens when we try to kill each other.
Hell, if the knife is slippery from blood, you can cut yourself stabbing someone else, when your hand slips onto the blade.
The Israelis biggest concern when they found out the ship wasn't the Egyptian they first thought is that they might have sunk a RUSSIAN ship...and their frantic communicaitons were about a possible mistaken sinking of a Russian, not a US, ship.
They were mostly afraid they had brough Russia into the conflict as an adversary...that was one thing they dreaded.
They immediately apologized for the sinking to the US once they found out they wouldn't be nuked by russia, etc.
So, a viscious attack? Hardly...other examples of Israel attaking the US, or a motive for it? Hardly.
Now, the killing of Christ thing...
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NismoXse02:
Hey, a troll spotting! Don't you need to go rip on everyone's career? [/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Branden Burden:
[b]Yeah, Israel sure is great. I love how they attacked the USS Liberty in '67. Viscious bastards. Kill whomever may get in the way, ask questions later; a good policy towards peace in the region. It really seems to be working too.
[b]Yeah, Israel sure is great. I love how they attacked the USS Liberty in '67. Viscious bastards. Kill whomever may get in the way, ask questions later; a good policy towards peace in the region. It really seems to be working too.
[/b]![[LOL]](graemlins/lol.gif)
And I thought we'd seen the last of that sheep shagger after his latest meltdown .... The stupidity of his post speaks for itself, TJ.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 04:00 PM
Fly- you ain't scaring me away any time soon. In light of the amazingly insightful and thought provoking threads lately (such as Organic Foods, Boat Names, and Salmon grilling tips) I haven't had too much to say. As stated in some of my earliest posts, I like being the one that disagrees with everyone else. That is also what I love about so many of you - you are readily unable to even listen to a differing opinion; I still read your posts, and absorb whatever "information" may be present.
So back on topic. My opinion is that Israel will never see peace in the region as long as they take the medieval approach of vengeance. How long have they been fighting? What progress has been made? Does anyone actually see an end to all this fighting and death.
You war-mongers love Israel for their hatred and animosity towards other humans. Congrats. Will you still be showering them with praise when they drag the world into a conflict that could potentially bring the death of millions of people? Any move like this should cause all your assholes to pucker just a bit, instead you all seem ready to run headlong into the fire.
I guess this is just a fundamental difference between those of us that want to see peace, and those of you who want to see the whole world go up in a big ball of fire. What did Jesus say - turn the other cheek - I guess there is just a bunch of atheists here; or Jews (no offense towards the Jews, you all just don't believe in JC).
So back on topic. My opinion is that Israel will never see peace in the region as long as they take the medieval approach of vengeance. How long have they been fighting? What progress has been made? Does anyone actually see an end to all this fighting and death.
You war-mongers love Israel for their hatred and animosity towards other humans. Congrats. Will you still be showering them with praise when they drag the world into a conflict that could potentially bring the death of millions of people? Any move like this should cause all your assholes to pucker just a bit, instead you all seem ready to run headlong into the fire.
I guess this is just a fundamental difference between those of us that want to see peace, and those of you who want to see the whole world go up in a big ball of fire. What did Jesus say - turn the other cheek - I guess there is just a bunch of atheists here; or Jews (no offense towards the Jews, you all just don't believe in JC).
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by TJ:
The USS LIberty was a mistaken identity, caused by the ship being in an area supposedly cleared of US ships...and the guy claiming to have been in a war room meeting in Israel where they "Planned to Purposefully sink the Liberty" was proven false, as the General supposedly at the meeting was found to be a fictious charactor.
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The USS LIberty was a mistaken identity, caused by the ship being in an area supposedly cleared of US ships...and the guy claiming to have been in a war room meeting in Israel where they "Planned to Purposefully sink the Liberty" was proven false, as the General supposedly at the meeting was found to be a fictious charactor.
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34 men died during the deliberate attack and in the end it was as quickly as possible and as quietly as possible shoved under the carpet. Even the captain who received the Medal of Honor for his actions during the attack received his medal in a ship yard instead of the White house where the rest of the MOH were given out during that time.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Branden Burden:
What did Jesus say - turn the other cheek...
What did Jesus say - turn the other cheek...
Conserva-Christ is the shiznit, son.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Branden Burden:
So back on topic. My opinion is that Israel will never see peace in the region as long as they take the medieval approach of vengeance. How long have they been fighting? What progress has been made? Does anyone actually see an end to all this fighting and death.
So back on topic. My opinion is that Israel will never see peace in the region as long as they take the medieval approach of vengeance. How long have they been fighting? What progress has been made? Does anyone actually see an end to all this fighting and death.
Quote:
You war-mongers love Israel for their hatred and animosity towards other humans. Congrats.
They are surrounded by people who are taught nothing but pure hate from the day they are born. They are surrounded by bloodthirsty murderers.
Israel has a sizeable Arab population that are citizens of the country who are treated the same as anyone else.
How are Jews who live in Israel's neighboring countries treated? If you weren't the ignorant asshole that you obviously are, you might know the answer. You may know the answer but your own hatred won't let you admit the truth of the harsh reality.
Quote:
Will you still be showering them with praise when they drag the world into a conflict that could potentially bring the death of millions of people? Any move like this should cause all your assholes to pucker just a bit, instead you all seem ready to run headlong into the fire.
I guess this is just a fundamental difference between those of us that want to see peace, and those of you who want to see the whole world go up in a big ball of fire. What did Jesus say - turn the other cheek - I guess there is just a bunch of atheists here; or Jews (no offense towards the Jews, you all just don't believe in JC).
I guess this is just a fundamental difference between those of us that want to see peace, and those of you who want to see the whole world go up in a big ball of fire. What did Jesus say - turn the other cheek - I guess there is just a bunch of atheists here; or Jews (no offense towards the Jews, you all just don't believe in JC).
Israel is rarely if ever the aggressor. They have gone out of their way to seek peace with those that wish to kill them. They only attack in retaliation for attacks perpetrated on them. They have been attacked constantly since the day they claimed independence. They are attacked constantly by terrorist organizations who openly claim their goal is the destruction of Israel and killing the Jews.
You then have the balls to claim the Israeli's are the ones with animosity and hatred towards other humans.
Seriously... You are a sick, demented fuck.
Posted by: spalind
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 05:28 PM
Yup....all comes back to one simple saying...."If the Palestinians/terrorists laid down there weapons all at once, peace would breakout all across the mideast...If the Isrealis laid down their weapons, Isreal would cease to exist in a matter of a few days..." Anyone dispute that?
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by spalind:
Anyone dispute that?
Anyone dispute that?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 05:50 PM
Just ignore Branden, because he is usually only good for one or two stupid statements then his black lung kicks in and he has to turn on his oxygen machine. People like him are great though because he really shows the stupid side of the left and he makes it that much better for the rest of us. Speaking of stupid lefties, where in the hell is Wilmac??????
Posted by: TJ
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 08:15 PM
Hey Iran's leaders say there were no death camps in Germany, and that the Jews made it up to make the Germans look bad.
Interestingly, the Church's research into the Dead Sea Scrolls and other documentation that has been recovered, has revealed that the Jews didn't actually kill Christ either...and they have denounced that previous opinion.
It seems the Jew part was added about 300 years later to spice things up a bit.
It also seems the town they thought Jesus was from (Yes - it also appears there was a Jesus) was not Nazereth, as it didn't exist yet...and it was a just a misinterpretation of something like Nazerem, which was essentially what we now know was a Jewish fortification (Jesus was a militant).
It explains a lot of what Christ did, and the previously assumed contradictions in the bible, etc.
Now it all flows nicely and makes sense.
All the Jews saying there was no Jesus...wrong, he existed.
Interestingly, the Church's research into the Dead Sea Scrolls and other documentation that has been recovered, has revealed that the Jews didn't actually kill Christ either...and they have denounced that previous opinion.
It seems the Jew part was added about 300 years later to spice things up a bit.
It also seems the town they thought Jesus was from (Yes - it also appears there was a Jesus) was not Nazereth, as it didn't exist yet...and it was a just a misinterpretation of something like Nazerem, which was essentially what we now know was a Jewish fortification (Jesus was a militant).
It explains a lot of what Christ did, and the previously assumed contradictions in the bible, etc.
Now it all flows nicely and makes sense.
All the Jews saying there was no Jesus...wrong, he existed.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 12/07/06 10:44 PM
Fucking Israelis...here goes the price of Shawarmas...
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 07:33 AM
NY- I love how you instantly jump to my supposed hatred of Jews. I like Jews, just as much as I like Christians or Arabs or any organized religion. You on the other hand, by classifying everyone in the region as "bloodthirsty vermin" show an obvious problem with people of Arab or Middle Eastern descent. I have called you a racist before, and I need not repeat myself. Your bigotry shines through in almost every post on this subject.
Israel is ruthless, and aggressive in it's tactics to fight terrorism. As a result the world hates them for it. As a result peace in the region may never be attainable. As long as they keep going down the road of an eye for an eye, the conflict will always smolder and may very well erupt in all out war, which I believe may be the case this time. IMHO it is time to show some compassion and willingness to forgive. Don't lay down your arms, perhaps think for just one moment next time before starting a war. Cool down, take a deep breath….
Just don't rush to "kill 'em all" is all I am asking. But hey, for people like NY, that can't see through the shroud of hatred and fear, I guess that would be asking too much. For people on the right compassion is something that was lost a long time ago.
Israel is ruthless, and aggressive in it's tactics to fight terrorism. As a result the world hates them for it. As a result peace in the region may never be attainable. As long as they keep going down the road of an eye for an eye, the conflict will always smolder and may very well erupt in all out war, which I believe may be the case this time. IMHO it is time to show some compassion and willingness to forgive. Don't lay down your arms, perhaps think for just one moment next time before starting a war. Cool down, take a deep breath….
Just don't rush to "kill 'em all" is all I am asking. But hey, for people like NY, that can't see through the shroud of hatred and fear, I guess that would be asking too much. For people on the right compassion is something that was lost a long time ago.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 07:35 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
What do you suggest? Are you saying they should not defend themselves anymore? They should just let all the bloodthirsty vermin they are surrounded by kill them and push them into the sea?
You really are a sick bastard. You have no connection to reality.
They are surrounded by people who are taught nothing but pure hate from the day they are born. They are surrounded by bloodthirsty murderers.
Israel has a sizeable Arab population that are citizens of the country who are treated the same as anyone else.
How are Jews who live in Israel's neighboring countries treated? If you weren't the ignorant asshole that you obviously are, you might know the answer. You may know the answer but your own hatred won't let you admit the truth of the harsh reality.
Your version of peace is allowing bloodthirsty savages to kill all the Jews. Is that plan born of your overt anti-semitism or just some leftist appeasement type lunacy?
Israel is rarely if ever the aggressor. They have gone out of their way to seek peace with those that wish to kill them. They only attack in retaliation for attacks perpetrated on them. They have been attacked constantly since the day they claimed independence. They are attacked constantly by terrorist organizations who openly claim their goal is the destruction of Israel and killing the Jews.
You then have the balls to claim the Israeli's are the ones with animosity and hatred towards other humans.
Seriously... You are a sick, demented fuck.
What do you suggest? Are you saying they should not defend themselves anymore? They should just let all the bloodthirsty vermin they are surrounded by kill them and push them into the sea?
You really are a sick bastard. You have no connection to reality.
They are surrounded by people who are taught nothing but pure hate from the day they are born. They are surrounded by bloodthirsty murderers.
Israel has a sizeable Arab population that are citizens of the country who are treated the same as anyone else.
How are Jews who live in Israel's neighboring countries treated? If you weren't the ignorant asshole that you obviously are, you might know the answer. You may know the answer but your own hatred won't let you admit the truth of the harsh reality.
Your version of peace is allowing bloodthirsty savages to kill all the Jews. Is that plan born of your overt anti-semitism or just some leftist appeasement type lunacy?
Israel is rarely if ever the aggressor. They have gone out of their way to seek peace with those that wish to kill them. They only attack in retaliation for attacks perpetrated on them. They have been attacked constantly since the day they claimed independence. They are attacked constantly by terrorist organizations who openly claim their goal is the destruction of Israel and killing the Jews.
You then have the balls to claim the Israeli's are the ones with animosity and hatred towards other humans.
Seriously... You are a sick, demented fuck.
I don't think there's a doubt that Jews believe that a man named Jesus existed (I believe it). We're just not all keen on the whole "son of G-d" thing. He was a Jew, though...
Obey my sig!
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 08:05 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Branden Burden:
NY- I love how you instantly jump to my supposed hatred of Jews. I like Jews, just as much as I like Christians or Arabs or any organized religion. You on the other hand, by classifying everyone in the region as "bloodthirsty vermin" show an obvious problem with people of Arab or Middle Eastern descent. I have called you a racist before, and I need not repeat myself. Your bigotry shines through in almost every post on this subject.
Israel is ruthless, and aggressive in it's tactics to fight terrorism. As a result the world hates them for it. As a result peace in the region may never be attainable. As long as they keep going down the road of an eye for an eye, the conflict will always smolder and may very well erupt in all out war, which I believe may be the case this time. IMHO it is time to show some compassion and willingness to forgive. Don't lay down your arms, perhaps think for just one moment next time before starting a war. Cool down, take a deep breath….
Just don't rush to "kill 'em all" is all I am asking. But hey, for people like NY, that can't see through the shroud of hatred and fear, I guess that would be asking too much. For people on the right compassion is something that was lost a long time ago.
NY- I love how you instantly jump to my supposed hatred of Jews. I like Jews, just as much as I like Christians or Arabs or any organized religion. You on the other hand, by classifying everyone in the region as "bloodthirsty vermin" show an obvious problem with people of Arab or Middle Eastern descent. I have called you a racist before, and I need not repeat myself. Your bigotry shines through in almost every post on this subject.
Israel is ruthless, and aggressive in it's tactics to fight terrorism. As a result the world hates them for it. As a result peace in the region may never be attainable. As long as they keep going down the road of an eye for an eye, the conflict will always smolder and may very well erupt in all out war, which I believe may be the case this time. IMHO it is time to show some compassion and willingness to forgive. Don't lay down your arms, perhaps think for just one moment next time before starting a war. Cool down, take a deep breath….
Just don't rush to "kill 'em all" is all I am asking. But hey, for people like NY, that can't see through the shroud of hatred and fear, I guess that would be asking too much. For people on the right compassion is something that was lost a long time ago.
They make a friendly gesture by leaving Gaza, and the morons start firing rockets at them from it. Hamas, Hezbollah, and all the other groups want only one thing. The complete destruction of Israel. Israel offered Arafat a sweetheart deal. Basically all he could ever ask for, and he turned it down and started sending suicide bombers to blow up their children. You need to study the history of the conflict, and shut the fuck up until you have a clue.
Posted by: Andre the Giant
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 08:06 AM
The thing that's really unfortunate is that Lebanon was making great strides to become the Lebanon of old... the Lebanon where muslims, christians and jews lived in relative harmony... back when Beruit was a vacation destination and the country was pretty well off. After Syria took over, and the Bekah valley was turned into a training camp for terrorists, Israel had little choice but to attack. Beruit was turned into a war zone, and the country crumbled.
Back in '90, I met a fellow college student who was from Beruit. He didn't hate America, Israel or Europe, he hated Syria. He said that his goal in life was to finish his education, travel home, and do everything in his power to restore freedom to his country. He longed for a return to the "old days" of prosperity and peace.
Israel should do its thing and quickly pull out. They can't just sit by and let the terrorists kidnap and kill soldiers, but out of all the countries in the area, I'd say that Israel has the best chance for peace with Lebanon and Jordan. Lebanon just needs help clearing all the bad guys out of the country.
As for comments like this:
Israel has no choice in the matter. They are surrounded by enemies that have attacked them again and again. Markets have been bombed, coffee shops, schools... When Israel offers an olive branch, its shot out of their hand and innocent Israeli civilians die. When Israel offers an olive branch while holding a cannon in the other hand... well, that's another story. The Palestinians, terrorists and other bad guys have shown again and again that for every time Israel backs down, they will increase the attacks.
Back in '90, I met a fellow college student who was from Beruit. He didn't hate America, Israel or Europe, he hated Syria. He said that his goal in life was to finish his education, travel home, and do everything in his power to restore freedom to his country. He longed for a return to the "old days" of prosperity and peace.
Israel should do its thing and quickly pull out. They can't just sit by and let the terrorists kidnap and kill soldiers, but out of all the countries in the area, I'd say that Israel has the best chance for peace with Lebanon and Jordan. Lebanon just needs help clearing all the bad guys out of the country.
As for comments like this:
Quote:
As long as they keep going down the road of an eye for an eye, the conflict will always smolder and may very well erupt in all out war, which I believe may be the case this time. IMHO it is time to show some compassion and willingness to forgive.
Posted by: MBFlyerfan
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 08:24 AM
If Branden had his way, Israel would just bend over and take it in the ass.
All these countries and people who are calling their response "excessive" are the reason terrorism is what it is.
They have done nothing to put a stop to it, and in their compacency have enables these terrosist to do more and more.
GO ISRAEL!
All these countries and people who are calling their response "excessive" are the reason terrorism is what it is.
They have done nothing to put a stop to it, and in their compacency have enables these terrosist to do more and more.
GO ISRAEL!
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 08:31 AM
some excellent comments/quotes from Israel's UN envoy Dan Gillerman:
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- The Palestinian and Israeli ambassadors to the United Nations engaged in an impromptu debate Wednesday in the hallway outside the Security Council.
Israeli Ambassador Dan Gillerman said sarcastically that Palestinians must be "in love" with the idea of Israeli occupation;
"You are so in love with occupation that you cling to it even when we leave every single inch," Gillerman said.
"Your own people, your government had two choices. Take care of its people or turn it into a terrorist. You chose the latter, and you're paying the price."
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- The Palestinian and Israeli ambassadors to the United Nations engaged in an impromptu debate Wednesday in the hallway outside the Security Council.
Israeli Ambassador Dan Gillerman said sarcastically that Palestinians must be "in love" with the idea of Israeli occupation;
"You are so in love with occupation that you cling to it even when we leave every single inch," Gillerman said.
"Your own people, your government had two choices. Take care of its people or turn it into a terrorist. You chose the latter, and you're paying the price."
Posted by: mineralblue
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 08:38 AM
Israel’s foreign ministry says it has information that Lebanese guerrillas are trying to transfer the captured Israeli soldiers to Iran, The Associated Press reports. CNN is working to confirm.
Posted by: spalind
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 09:42 AM
Nice!! I would love for the terrorists to give Isreal--and by proxy the US, a reason to solve the terrorist, oil, Palestinian, mideast peace issue in one fell swoop....like I said...one big smoking parking lot....
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 10:24 AM
MEanwhile the EU is saying Israel is using "disproportionate force", and the AP is calling the terrorists "guerillas". :rolleyes:
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 10:25 AM
"Beirut's Rafik Hariri International Airport was forced to close after Israeli fighter jets hit all three of its runways, leaving huge craters that made them unusable."
Nice
I don't think they are gonna be flying the captured prisoners anywhere, I guess Israel hit all of their airports and blocked their ports.
My wife is Jewish and we were planning to visit Cyprus, with a 2 or 3 day trip over to Israel in a year or 2. Shame the whole region has now blown up like this.
Nice
I don't think they are gonna be flying the captured prisoners anywhere, I guess Israel hit all of their airports and blocked their ports.My wife is Jewish and we were planning to visit Cyprus, with a 2 or 3 day trip over to Israel in a year or 2. Shame the whole region has now blown up like this.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 10:39 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
MEanwhile the EU is saying Israel is using "disproportionate force"
MEanwhile the EU is saying Israel is using "disproportionate force"
:rolleyes: If it was up to the EU, they'd be holding a conference with professors and civil rights activists presenting papers on how the poor Lebonese must have "felt" before taking the Israeli hostages. Again, just another way to turn the victim into the aggressor and vice versa with enough spin .... :rolleyes:
Posted by: spalind
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
The EU would claim that the Israelis calling Arabs mean names is using "disproportionate force." :rolleyes:
If it was up to the EU, they'd be holding a conference with professors and civil rights activists presenting papers on how the poor Lebonese must have "felt" before taking the Israeli hostages. Again, just another way to turn the victim into the aggressor and vice versa with enough spin .... :rolleyes: [/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]MEanwhile the EU is saying Israel is using "disproportionate force"
[b]MEanwhile the EU is saying Israel is using "disproportionate force"
:rolleyes: If it was up to the EU, they'd be holding a conference with professors and civil rights activists presenting papers on how the poor Lebonese must have "felt" before taking the Israeli hostages. Again, just another way to turn the victim into the aggressor and vice versa with enough spin .... :rolleyes: [/b]
Posted by: mineralblue
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
If it was up to the EU, they'd be holding a conference with professors and civil rights activists presenting papers on how the poor Lebonese must have "felt" before taking the Israeli hostages.
If it was up to the EU, they'd be holding a conference with professors and civil rights activists presenting papers on how the poor Lebonese must have "felt" before taking the Israeli hostages.
:rolleyes:
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Branden Burden:
NY- I love how you instantly jump to my supposed hatred of Jews. I like Jews, just as much as I like Christians or Arabs or any organized religion. You on the other hand, by classifying everyone in the region as "bloodthirsty vermin" show an obvious problem with people of Arab or Middle Eastern descent. I have called you a racist before, and I need not repeat myself. Your bigotry shines through in almost every post on this subject.
NY- I love how you instantly jump to my supposed hatred of Jews. I like Jews, just as much as I like Christians or Arabs or any organized religion. You on the other hand, by classifying everyone in the region as "bloodthirsty vermin" show an obvious problem with people of Arab or Middle Eastern descent. I have called you a racist before, and I need not repeat myself. Your bigotry shines through in almost every post on this subject.
I classify terrorists as bloodthirsty vermin. I classify Islamists and jihadists as bloodthirsty vermin because that is what they are, vermin. What do you classify them as .. "brothers in solidarity"? It appears to be so.
To you racism is not blindly accepting the complete culture of hate that foments the terrorism. In your twisted mind racism is also not sympathizing with a culture of hate who was not getting enough of that hatred in it's leaders, they actively vote a murderous terrorist organization into power.
If I'm a racist for not blindly accepting and sympathizing with hate, murder and terrorism, what does that make you?
Quote:
Israel is ruthless, and aggressive in it's tactics to fight terrorism. As a result the world hates them for it.
Rational people do not hate them. Rational people can see the evil they face on a daily basis.
In your insane world view Israel is ruthless. The terrorists are never ruthless.
Quote:
As a result peace in the region may never be attainable. As long as they keep going down the road of an eye for an eye, the conflict will always smolder and may very well erupt in all out war, which I believe may be the case this time. IMHO it is time to show some compassion and willingness to forgive. Don't lay down your arms, perhaps think for just one moment next time before starting a war. Cool down, take a deep breath….
You are clearly insane if you think compassion is the answer to murderous evil.
Quote:
Just don't rush to "kill 'em all" is all I am asking. But hey, for people like NY, that can't see through the shroud of hatred and fear, I guess that would be asking too much. For people on the right compassion is something that was lost a long time ago.
With every paragraph you write, it's nothing but more insanity piled on top of insanity. Piled on top of embracing terrorism and blaming it on the Jews.
You're a sick fuck. Your Jew hatred causes you to see the whole thing in a twisted, slanted, one sided view. Terrorists and the evil they live by is ignored and even absolved by you.
Reality must really bite for you, because you live in some kind of la la land.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 12:59 PM
Wow. Headed to the ALR in 10, 9, 8, 7 ............
Posted by: RedX
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Wow.
Headed to the ALR in 10, 9, 8, 7 ............
Wow. Headed to the ALR in 10, 9, 8, 7 ............
Posted by: PDXterra
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
[QUOTE]For you people on the left, reality and rational thought is something that was lost a long time ago.
[QUOTE]For you people on the left, reality and rational thought is something that was lost a long time ago.
You can be "left" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas, just as you can be on the "right" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas. I can't believe that at this point in the Bush administration people are still trying to break things down to a "left" versus "right" perspective.
Yeah, I listen to liberal talk radio, and I listen to right wing talk radio too, and I try to take a little common sense from both sides and form my own opinions. The sad truth is, the liberal side of the media constantly attacks the Bush administration for every little stupid thing they can, while right-minded individuals are fed total bullshit propaganda by the conservative media about how "lefties are destroying our country" and that we have messed up family values, blah blah blah. There's so much shit-flinging going on that people are losing track of the issues at hand.
Stop and think for a minute. There are extremes on both "sides" of any political/religious/cultural debate. When you start saying things like "leftys are without rational thought," you basically close the lines of communication, and about 40% of the population basically gives you a mental "fuck you" and stops listening to anything you have to say, even if it is a rational, intelligent idea. In the same sense, if I called rightys a bunch of bible-thumping inbreds, I'd be waving my right to an intelligent discussion with anyone who considers themselves a Republican, or right-wing minded.
All I'm saying is, pull your head out of your ass every once in awhile instead of just regurgitating some politically-inspired mantra about lefties doing this, or righties doing that. The reason I get so frustrated with comments like the one I quoted, is that I've seen several people on this board write intelligent, interesting posts, and then the whole left-versus-right crap comes into the picture and the discussion turns into a pissing match. Stop pissing, start listening.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 01:51 PM
Oh man, I am sooooooo saving this pic. This is priceless Photoshop material. Thanks, mineralblue.
'SUP NOW, BITCHES?!?!
'SUP NOW, BITCHES?!?!
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by PDXterra:
Jesus christ, I'm so tired of this crap. Being on the "left" doesn't automatically make you an anti-war, dope-smoking, I sympathize with terrorists, Michael Moore is my butt-buddy, I live in San Francisco, gays are my friend type of person. The same goes for the stereotypical "right" winger, a.k.a. I'm Christian, I'm white, I own guns, I hate fags, I hate all social services, I love war, and I'm rich, biatch.
You can be "left" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas, just as you can be on the "right" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas. I can't believe that at this point in the Bush administration people are still trying to break things down to a "left" versus "right" perspective.
Yeah, I listen to liberal talk radio, and I listen to right wing talk radio too, and I try to take a little common sense from both sides and form my own opinions. The sad truth is, the liberal side of the media constantly attacks the Bush administration for every little stupid thing they can, while right-minded individuals are fed total bullshit propaganda by the conservative media about how "lefties are destroying our country" and that we have messed up family values, blah blah blah. There's so much shit-flinging going on that people are losing track of the issues at hand.
Stop and think for a minute. There are extremes on both "sides" of any political/religious/cultural debate. When you start saying things like "leftys are without rational thought," you basically close the lines of communication, and about 40% of the population basically gives you a mental "fuck you" and stops listening to anything you have to say, even if it is a rational, intelligent idea. In the same sense, if I called rightys a bunch of bible-thumping inbreds, I'd be waving my right to an intelligent discussion with anyone who considers themselves a Republican, or right-wing minded.
All I'm saying is, pull your head out of your ass every once in awhile instead of just regurgitating some politically-inspired mantra about lefties doing this, or righties doing that. The reason I get so frustrated with comments like the one I quoted, is that I've seen several people on this board write intelligent, interesting posts, and then the whole left-versus-right crap comes into the picture and the discussion turns into a pissing match. Stop pissing, start listening.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b][QUOTE]For you people on the left, reality and rational thought is something that was lost a long time ago.
[b][QUOTE]For you people on the left, reality and rational thought is something that was lost a long time ago.
You can be "left" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas, just as you can be on the "right" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas. I can't believe that at this point in the Bush administration people are still trying to break things down to a "left" versus "right" perspective.
Yeah, I listen to liberal talk radio, and I listen to right wing talk radio too, and I try to take a little common sense from both sides and form my own opinions. The sad truth is, the liberal side of the media constantly attacks the Bush administration for every little stupid thing they can, while right-minded individuals are fed total bullshit propaganda by the conservative media about how "lefties are destroying our country" and that we have messed up family values, blah blah blah. There's so much shit-flinging going on that people are losing track of the issues at hand.
Stop and think for a minute. There are extremes on both "sides" of any political/religious/cultural debate. When you start saying things like "leftys are without rational thought," you basically close the lines of communication, and about 40% of the population basically gives you a mental "fuck you" and stops listening to anything you have to say, even if it is a rational, intelligent idea. In the same sense, if I called rightys a bunch of bible-thumping inbreds, I'd be waving my right to an intelligent discussion with anyone who considers themselves a Republican, or right-wing minded.
All I'm saying is, pull your head out of your ass every once in awhile instead of just regurgitating some politically-inspired mantra about lefties doing this, or righties doing that. The reason I get so frustrated with comments like the one I quoted, is that I've seen several people on this board write intelligent, interesting posts, and then the whole left-versus-right crap comes into the picture and the discussion turns into a pissing match. Stop pissing, start listening.[/b]
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Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 01:56 PM
Shut up hippie! ![[Finger]](graemlins/thefinger.gif)
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by PDXterra:
You can be "left" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas...
You can be "left" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas...
Dude, have you forgotten where you are? This is XOC, not the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour. Take your pragmatic logical discourse and shove it up your ass.
You want logical, intelligent knowledge sharing? Stop perusing retardo-soccermommycar websites and go do something constructive.
Beware, ye weary wanderer, there be idiots in these waters.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Shut up hippie!
Shut up hippie!
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Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by PDXterra:
Jesus christ, I'm so tired of this crap. Being on the "left" doesn't automatically make you an anti-war, dope-smoking, I sympathize with terrorists, Michael Moore is my butt-buddy, I live in San Francisco, gays are my friend type of person. The same goes for the stereotypical "right" winger, a.k.a. I'm Christian, I'm white, I own guns, I hate fags, I hate all social services, I love war, and I'm rich, biatch.
You can be "left" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas, just as you can be on the "right" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas. I can't believe that at this point in the Bush administration people are still trying to break things down to a "left" versus "right" perspective.
Yeah, I listen to liberal talk radio, and I listen to right wing talk radio too, and I try to take a little common sense from both sides and form my own opinions. The sad truth is, the liberal side of the media constantly attacks the Bush administration for every little stupid thing they can, while right-minded individuals are fed total bullshit propaganda by the conservative media about how "lefties are destroying our country" and that we have messed up family values, blah blah blah. There's so much shit-flinging going on that people are losing track of the issues at hand.
Stop and think for a minute. There are extremes on both "sides" of any political/religious/cultural debate. When you start saying things like "leftys are without rational thought," you basically close the lines of communication, and about 40% of the population basically gives you a mental "fuck you" and stops listening to anything you have to say, even if it is a rational, intelligent idea. In the same sense, if I called rightys a bunch of bible-thumping inbreds, I'd be waving my right to an intelligent discussion with anyone who considers themselves a Republican, or right-wing minded.
All I'm saying is, pull your head out of your ass every once in awhile instead of just regurgitating some politically-inspired mantra about lefties doing this, or righties doing that. The reason I get so frustrated with comments like the one I quoted, is that I've seen several people on this board write intelligent, interesting posts, and then the whole left-versus-right crap comes into the picture and the discussion turns into a pissing match. Stop pissing, start listening.
Jesus christ, I'm so tired of this crap. Being on the "left" doesn't automatically make you an anti-war, dope-smoking, I sympathize with terrorists, Michael Moore is my butt-buddy, I live in San Francisco, gays are my friend type of person. The same goes for the stereotypical "right" winger, a.k.a. I'm Christian, I'm white, I own guns, I hate fags, I hate all social services, I love war, and I'm rich, biatch.
You can be "left" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas, just as you can be on the "right" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas. I can't believe that at this point in the Bush administration people are still trying to break things down to a "left" versus "right" perspective.
Yeah, I listen to liberal talk radio, and I listen to right wing talk radio too, and I try to take a little common sense from both sides and form my own opinions. The sad truth is, the liberal side of the media constantly attacks the Bush administration for every little stupid thing they can, while right-minded individuals are fed total bullshit propaganda by the conservative media about how "lefties are destroying our country" and that we have messed up family values, blah blah blah. There's so much shit-flinging going on that people are losing track of the issues at hand.
Stop and think for a minute. There are extremes on both "sides" of any political/religious/cultural debate. When you start saying things like "leftys are without rational thought," you basically close the lines of communication, and about 40% of the population basically gives you a mental "fuck you" and stops listening to anything you have to say, even if it is a rational, intelligent idea. In the same sense, if I called rightys a bunch of bible-thumping inbreds, I'd be waving my right to an intelligent discussion with anyone who considers themselves a Republican, or right-wing minded.
All I'm saying is, pull your head out of your ass every once in awhile instead of just regurgitating some politically-inspired mantra about lefties doing this, or righties doing that. The reason I get so frustrated with comments like the one I quoted, is that I've seen several people on this board write intelligent, interesting posts, and then the whole left-versus-right crap comes into the picture and the discussion turns into a pissing match. Stop pissing, start listening.
Do you have some type of complex or something? Do you have a chip on your shoulders?
In some bizarre way you felt because "leftism" was mentioned, it's also directed towards you? That compelled you to your ridiculous tirade.
I think you need to pull your head out of your ass. I was listening. I was listening to Branden's insanity and I responded.
The question seems, were you listening? The answer is obviously no. You prefered to jump in and attack me for my response to his lunacy.
Is that an admission of support for Branden's lunacy and the "leftism" of which it is derived?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 02:13 PM
Yeah, PDX, are you with us or against us? Are you a welfare-titty-sucking liberal fag-lover pansy, or a right-wing Nationalist Socialist flag-worshipping Christian Crusader?
WELL, WHICH ONE ARE YOU?!?!
CHOOSE, DAMN IT!
HURRY UP!
WELL, WHICH ONE ARE YOU?!?!
CHOOSE, DAMN IT!
HURRY UP!
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I was talking to Branden Burden. I was specifically addressing his brand of leftism.
Do you have some type of complex or something? Do you have a chip on your shoulders?
In some bizarre way you felt because "leftism" was mentioned, it's also directed towards you? That compelled you to your ridiculous tirade.
I think you need to pull your head out of your ass. I was listening. I was listening to Branden's insanity and I responded.
The question seems, were you listening? The answer is obviously no. You prefered to jump in and attack me for my response to his lunacy.
Is that an admission of support for Branden's lunacy and the "leftism" of which it is derived?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by PDXterra:
[b]Jesus christ, I'm so tired of this crap. Being on the "left" doesn't automatically make you an anti-war, dope-smoking, I sympathize with terrorists, Michael Moore is my butt-buddy, I live in San Francisco, gays are my friend type of person. The same goes for the stereotypical "right" winger, a.k.a. I'm Christian, I'm white, I own guns, I hate fags, I hate all social services, I love war, and I'm rich, biatch.
You can be "left" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas, just as you can be on the "right" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas. I can't believe that at this point in the Bush administration people are still trying to break things down to a "left" versus "right" perspective.
Yeah, I listen to liberal talk radio, and I listen to right wing talk radio too, and I try to take a little common sense from both sides and form my own opinions. The sad truth is, the liberal side of the media constantly attacks the Bush administration for every little stupid thing they can, while right-minded individuals are fed total bullshit propaganda by the conservative media about how "lefties are destroying our country" and that we have messed up family values, blah blah blah. There's so much shit-flinging going on that people are losing track of the issues at hand.
Stop and think for a minute. There are extremes on both "sides" of any political/religious/cultural debate. When you start saying things like "leftys are without rational thought," you basically close the lines of communication, and about 40% of the population basically gives you a mental "fuck you" and stops listening to anything you have to say, even if it is a rational, intelligent idea. In the same sense, if I called rightys a bunch of bible-thumping inbreds, I'd be waving my right to an intelligent discussion with anyone who considers themselves a Republican, or right-wing minded.
All I'm saying is, pull your head out of your ass every once in awhile instead of just regurgitating some politically-inspired mantra about lefties doing this, or righties doing that. The reason I get so frustrated with comments like the one I quoted, is that I've seen several people on this board write intelligent, interesting posts, and then the whole left-versus-right crap comes into the picture and the discussion turns into a pissing match. Stop pissing, start listening.
[b]Jesus christ, I'm so tired of this crap. Being on the "left" doesn't automatically make you an anti-war, dope-smoking, I sympathize with terrorists, Michael Moore is my butt-buddy, I live in San Francisco, gays are my friend type of person. The same goes for the stereotypical "right" winger, a.k.a. I'm Christian, I'm white, I own guns, I hate fags, I hate all social services, I love war, and I'm rich, biatch.
You can be "left" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas, just as you can be on the "right" and still have rational thoughts and intelligent ideas. I can't believe that at this point in the Bush administration people are still trying to break things down to a "left" versus "right" perspective.
Yeah, I listen to liberal talk radio, and I listen to right wing talk radio too, and I try to take a little common sense from both sides and form my own opinions. The sad truth is, the liberal side of the media constantly attacks the Bush administration for every little stupid thing they can, while right-minded individuals are fed total bullshit propaganda by the conservative media about how "lefties are destroying our country" and that we have messed up family values, blah blah blah. There's so much shit-flinging going on that people are losing track of the issues at hand.
Stop and think for a minute. There are extremes on both "sides" of any political/religious/cultural debate. When you start saying things like "leftys are without rational thought," you basically close the lines of communication, and about 40% of the population basically gives you a mental "fuck you" and stops listening to anything you have to say, even if it is a rational, intelligent idea. In the same sense, if I called rightys a bunch of bible-thumping inbreds, I'd be waving my right to an intelligent discussion with anyone who considers themselves a Republican, or right-wing minded.
All I'm saying is, pull your head out of your ass every once in awhile instead of just regurgitating some politically-inspired mantra about lefties doing this, or righties doing that. The reason I get so frustrated with comments like the one I quoted, is that I've seen several people on this board write intelligent, interesting posts, and then the whole left-versus-right crap comes into the picture and the discussion turns into a pissing match. Stop pissing, start listening.
Do you have some type of complex or something? Do you have a chip on your shoulders?
In some bizarre way you felt because "leftism" was mentioned, it's also directed towards you? That compelled you to your ridiculous tirade.
I think you need to pull your head out of your ass. I was listening. I was listening to Branden's insanity and I responded.
The question seems, were you listening? The answer is obviously no. You prefered to jump in and attack me for my response to his lunacy.
Is that an admission of support for Branden's lunacy and the "leftism" of which it is derived?[/b]
Again Madman, I respect your intelligence. You're one of the brightest people on this site. But
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about you leftist generalizations. It's really old, and I've only been around here four months.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Fuck off Madman. You are intelligent. Your mind should be beyond this black-and-white world of left and right. PDX has every right to respond to your generalization of "leftists." Don't put him in the same boat as that whack-job Burden either. That's just ludicrous. Give me a break.
Again Madman, I respect your intelligence. You're one of the brightest people on this site. But about you leftist generalizations. It's really old, and I've only been around here four months.
Fuck off Madman. You are intelligent. Your mind should be beyond this black-and-white world of left and right. PDX has every right to respond to your generalization of "leftists." Don't put him in the same boat as that whack-job Burden either. That's just ludicrous. Give me a break.
Again Madman, I respect your intelligence. You're one of the brightest people on this site. But
about you leftist generalizations. It's really old, and I've only been around here four months.Put him against the wall with the others.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 02:17 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Shahram:
Yeah, PDX, are you with us or against us? Are you a welfare-titty-sucking liberal fag-lover pansy, or a right-wing Nationalist Socialist flag-worshipping Christian Crusader?
WELL, WHICH ONE ARE YOU?!?!
CHOOSE, DAMN IT!
HURRY UP!
Yeah, PDX, are you with us or against us? Are you a welfare-titty-sucking liberal fag-lover pansy, or a right-wing Nationalist Socialist flag-worshipping Christian Crusader?
WELL, WHICH ONE ARE YOU?!?!
CHOOSE, DAMN IT!
HURRY UP!
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Shahram, your sarcasm kicks ass.
Posted by: PDXterra
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I was talking to Branden Burden. I was specifically addressing his brand of leftism.
Do you have some type of complex or something? Do you have a chip on your shoulders?
In some bizarre way you felt because "leftism" was mentioned, it's also directed towards you? That compelled you to your ridiculous tirade.
I think you need to pull your head out of your ass. I was listening. I was listening to Branden's insanity and I responded.
The question seems, were you listening? The answer is obviously no. You prefered to jump in and attack me for my response to his lunacy.
Is that an admission of support for Branden's lunacy and the "leftism" of which it is derived?
I was talking to Branden Burden. I was specifically addressing his brand of leftism.
Do you have some type of complex or something? Do you have a chip on your shoulders?
In some bizarre way you felt because "leftism" was mentioned, it's also directed towards you? That compelled you to your ridiculous tirade.
I think you need to pull your head out of your ass. I was listening. I was listening to Branden's insanity and I responded.
The question seems, were you listening? The answer is obviously no. You prefered to jump in and attack me for my response to his lunacy.
Is that an admission of support for Branden's lunacy and the "leftism" of which it is derived?
No chips on any shoulders. Complex? No no no, I think you are confused - I have what is known as an opinion.
If you were talking to Branden specifically, I missed that - your post states, "For you people on the left, reality and rational thought is something that was lost a long time ago." How am I supposed to ascertain that you were only referring to Miner Boy over there? By lumping us "lefties" into a single group I assumed you meant anyone who considered themselves to be on the left side of the political spectrum. You've done it in several posts (as lots of people have, on both sides of the political spectrum) and I'm just kind of tired of being grouped with people like Miner Boy, or Frontier (who is obviously on the right, but I agree with him on some things, and lots of lefties have attacked the right on this board).
In general, I consider msyelf to be liberal, thus I took offense to you stating that we're a bunch of people without "rational thought." FYI, I have a lot of views that stray from the left, and I'll defend those views as well. My "ridiculous tirade" wasn't specifically directed towards you, it was directed towards the entire board. You'll notice in my post I said "comments like the one I quoted," not "everything Madman says!"
Look, I know you have some intelligent things to say. In fact, plenty of people here do (Shahram in '08) and that's why I stray from endless threads about tire sizes and MPG. Unlike people like "Off," I like reading your posts because it's obvious you've done some research, and you know what you're talking about.
I just feel that many of these threads turn into World War I style combat. People dig a trench on their side of the political fence, hunker down, then throw grenades at each other. Meanwhile, the fucking illegals are crossing over the fence day and night, and we're too busy with these "left-versus-right" arguments to do anything about it!
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Fuck off Madman. You are intelligent. Your mind should be beyond this black-and-white world of left and right. PDX has every right to respond to your generalization of "leftists." Don't put him in the same boat as that whack-job Burden either. That's just ludicrous. Give me a break.
Again Madman, I respect your intelligence. You're one of the brightest people on this site. But about you leftist generalizations. It's really old, and I've only been around here four months.
Fuck off Madman. You are intelligent. Your mind should be beyond this black-and-white world of left and right. PDX has every right to respond to your generalization of "leftists." Don't put him in the same boat as that whack-job Burden either. That's just ludicrous. Give me a break.
Again Madman, I respect your intelligence. You're one of the brightest people on this site. But
about you leftist generalizations. It's really old, and I've only been around here four months.First of all I was correct in what I said about Branden. We both know him from the board long enough to know he is a left wing liberal. He's even admitted it so I've made no assumptions related to him.
I wasn't putting PDX in the same category as Branden. He did however feel the need to jump in with his take on politics in America directed at me. He felt that was more important than the discussion with Branden.
I don't believe in a black-and-white world as you say. I however don't believe everything is an endless shade of gray either, as some would like to have it portrayed.
If I make a generalization that there is very little rational thought on the left, that is my opinion. I'm entitled to that opinion and it wasn't arrived at with just a whim. If someone takes it personally, that is their problem. I'm generally a conservative yet I don't become highly insulted if someone calls me a "right winger" or complains about the right regardless of the various generalizations that may come with that label. If people are too touchy that is their problem. If you're touchy about it, that is your problem.
If your goal is to remove all generalizations from political discussions, that is not going to happen. There are some "generalizations" as you say that are based in hard facts. For example the feelings and attitudes of the left in America and Europe towards Israel.
We were talking about Israel weren't we?
Oh, by the way Fly... Fuck Off...
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by PDXterra:
This is XOC, not the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour.
This is XOC, not the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour.
Never in my lifetime did I think to see these words used together in the same sentence. I believe this may be a sign of the Amageddon!
The Arabs have been attacking Israel since the Allies carved out a "homeland" for the Jews in 1948. They went from being ruled by the Ottoman Empire, to the British Empire, to having a bunch of displaced foreigners given the keys to their land by outside powers. Personally, I would have been a little pissed myself.
Now it has become the quagmire we have today. Religious zealots fighting a war in the name of their god, against not only the Zionists, but the entire western world.
The middle east has not known true peace.....ever, only occupying powers, dictators, and kings. That is not going to change until the next generations of people are taught tolerance instead of hatred (so not in my lifetime), or everyone gets turned to glass in a nuclear fire.
The US had its hand in the formation of Israel, not out of some righteous need to do right by the Jews, but because none of the the allied powers wanted an influx of millions of Jewish refugees into their respective countries after WWII. So they offered them the "Holy Land" some of them wanted. They just failed to mention that somebody else was living there.
Times change, I realize that, after all our own Manifest Destiny was nothing but a land grab for a growing county. However, I have no desire to fight a war for a spot of land that has no meaning for me whatsoever. Unfotunately, if we just let them fight it out, we still have to deal with whichever side wins. That sure sounds appealing.
You want to call me an "anti-war hippie", or an "anti-semite" then so be it. Your arrogance means nothing to me.
What does mean something to me is the fact that the US has now become the new occupying power in the middle east. No good deed goes unpunished.
I don't believe in Isolationism, but dammit, does the US have to try to be the self-righteous savior to every area of the world that hates us? Spreading peace and democracy worldwide, whether you want it or not. We are the new Roman Empire, and our days of dominance in a world that despises us are numbered.
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Shahram, the "Costco Member since 2006" is awesome!
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 03:21 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Give me a break with that bullshit FlyFishing.
First of all I was correct in what I said about Branden. We both know him from the board long enough to know he is a left wing liberal. He's even admitted it so I've made no assumptions related to him.
I wasn't putting PDX in the same category as Branden. He did however feel the need to jump in with his take on politics in America directed at me. He felt that was more important than the discussion with Branden.
I don't believe in a black-and-white world as you say. I however don't believe everything is an endless shade of gray either, as some would like to have it portrayed.
If I make a generalization that there is very little rational thought on the left, that is my opinion. I'm entitled to that opinion and it wasn't arrived at with just a whim. If someone takes it personally, that is their problem. I'm generally a conservative yet I don't become highly insulted if someone calls me a "right winger" or complains about the right regardless of the various generalizations that may come with that label. If people are too touchy that is their problem. If you're touchy about it, that is your problem.
If your goal is to remove all generalizations from political discussions, that is not going to happen. There are some "generalizations" as you say that are based in hard facts. For example the feelings and attitudes of the left in America and Europe towards Israel.
We were talking about Israel weren't we?
Oh, by the way Fly... Fuck Off... [/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]Fuck off Madman. You are intelligent. Your mind should be beyond this black-and-white world of left and right. PDX has every right to respond to your generalization of "leftists." Don't put him in the same boat as that whack-job Burden either. That's just ludicrous. Give me a break.
Again Madman, I respect your intelligence. You're one of the brightest people on this site. But about you leftist generalizations. It's really old, and I've only been around here four months.
[b]Fuck off Madman. You are intelligent. Your mind should be beyond this black-and-white world of left and right. PDX has every right to respond to your generalization of "leftists." Don't put him in the same boat as that whack-job Burden either. That's just ludicrous. Give me a break.
Again Madman, I respect your intelligence. You're one of the brightest people on this site. But
about you leftist generalizations. It's really old, and I've only been around here four months.First of all I was correct in what I said about Branden. We both know him from the board long enough to know he is a left wing liberal. He's even admitted it so I've made no assumptions related to him.
I wasn't putting PDX in the same category as Branden. He did however feel the need to jump in with his take on politics in America directed at me. He felt that was more important than the discussion with Branden.
I don't believe in a black-and-white world as you say. I however don't believe everything is an endless shade of gray either, as some would like to have it portrayed.
If I make a generalization that there is very little rational thought on the left, that is my opinion. I'm entitled to that opinion and it wasn't arrived at with just a whim. If someone takes it personally, that is their problem. I'm generally a conservative yet I don't become highly insulted if someone calls me a "right winger" or complains about the right regardless of the various generalizations that may come with that label. If people are too touchy that is their problem. If you're touchy about it, that is your problem.
If your goal is to remove all generalizations from political discussions, that is not going to happen. There are some "generalizations" as you say that are based in hard facts. For example the feelings and attitudes of the left in America and Europe towards Israel.
We were talking about Israel weren't we?
Oh, by the way Fly... Fuck Off...
[/b]What you said to Miner Boy was dead on. I thought it was great.
Oh, and by the way, I know plenty of liberal Jews that would disagree with your generalization of all "leftists" feelings in this country about Israel.
Posted by: PDXterra
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Shahram:
Yeah, PDX, are you with us or against us? Are you a welfare-titty-sucking liberal fag-lover pansy, or a right-wing Nationalist Socialist flag-worshipping Christian Crusader?
WELL, WHICH ONE ARE YOU?!?!
CHOOSE, DAMN IT!
HURRY UP!
Yeah, PDX, are you with us or against us? Are you a welfare-titty-sucking liberal fag-lover pansy, or a right-wing Nationalist Socialist flag-worshipping Christian Crusader?
WELL, WHICH ONE ARE YOU?!?!
CHOOSE, DAMN IT!
HURRY UP!
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by PDXterra:
Ok, I'll take these one at a time.
No chips on any shoulders. Complex? No no no, I think you are confused - I have what is known as an opinion.
If you were talking to Branden specifically, I missed that - your post states, "For you people on the left, reality and rational thought is something that was lost a long time ago." How am I supposed to ascertain that you were only referring to Miner Boy over there? By lumping us "lefties" into a single group I assumed you meant anyone who considered themselves to be on the left side of the political spectrum. You've done it in several posts (as lots of people have, on both sides of the political spectrum) and I'm just kind of tired of being grouped with people like Miner Boy, or Frontier (who is obviously on the right, but I agree with him on some things, and lots of lefties have attacked the right on this board).
In general, I consider msyelf to be liberal, thus I took offense to you stating that we're a bunch of people without "rational thought." FYI, I have a lot of views that stray from the left, and I'll defend those views as well. My "ridiculous tirade" wasn't specifically directed towards you, it was directed towards the entire board. You'll notice in my post I said "comments like the one I quoted," not "everything Madman says!"
Look, I know you have some intelligent things to say. In fact, plenty of people here do (Shahram in '08) and that's why I stray from endless threads about tire sizes and MPG. Unlike people like "Off," I like reading your posts because it's obvious you've done some research, and you know what you're talking about.
I just feel that many of these threads turn into World War I style combat. People dig a trench on their side of the political fence, hunker down, then throw grenades at each other. Meanwhile, the fucking illegals are crossing over the fence day and night, and we're too busy with these "left-versus-right" arguments to do anything about it!
Ok, I'll take these one at a time.
No chips on any shoulders. Complex? No no no, I think you are confused - I have what is known as an opinion.
If you were talking to Branden specifically, I missed that - your post states, "For you people on the left, reality and rational thought is something that was lost a long time ago." How am I supposed to ascertain that you were only referring to Miner Boy over there? By lumping us "lefties" into a single group I assumed you meant anyone who considered themselves to be on the left side of the political spectrum. You've done it in several posts (as lots of people have, on both sides of the political spectrum) and I'm just kind of tired of being grouped with people like Miner Boy, or Frontier (who is obviously on the right, but I agree with him on some things, and lots of lefties have attacked the right on this board).
In general, I consider msyelf to be liberal, thus I took offense to you stating that we're a bunch of people without "rational thought." FYI, I have a lot of views that stray from the left, and I'll defend those views as well. My "ridiculous tirade" wasn't specifically directed towards you, it was directed towards the entire board. You'll notice in my post I said "comments like the one I quoted," not "everything Madman says!"
Look, I know you have some intelligent things to say. In fact, plenty of people here do (Shahram in '08) and that's why I stray from endless threads about tire sizes and MPG. Unlike people like "Off," I like reading your posts because it's obvious you've done some research, and you know what you're talking about.
I just feel that many of these threads turn into World War I style combat. People dig a trench on their side of the political fence, hunker down, then throw grenades at each other. Meanwhile, the fucking illegals are crossing over the fence day and night, and we're too busy with these "left-versus-right" arguments to do anything about it!
You can be a liberal without being a leftist.
As I stated earlier, there are certain things that are endemic to each side in left vs right political philosophies. However many people don't know or are able to recognize many aspects. Some don't want certain aspects revealed. Many do throw around generalizations.
You just mentioned the illegals. I've seen some people in the past on this board who would have called you a racist for complaining about the illegals. Branden has called us racists in a thread for complaining about illegals.
The difference is I know what the distinctions are. If I make a statement it's rarely if ever a generalization. I'm doing it because I know the aspects that are endemic to the various political trains of thought.
So, getting back on topic... What do you think of those Israeli's?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 03:34 PM
Well, Bush voiced his support for Israel's actions today while he was visiting Germany. Merkel, however, said that it's up to Hezbollah to defuse the situation. :rolleyes: Yeah, that's going to happen. :rolleyes:
I'm getting a bad feeling about the possibility of a widening war....
I'm getting a bad feeling about the possibility of a widening war....
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
You are pathetic. Madman, Shahram is right. Go medicate yourself. They have places to help people like you.
What you said to Miner Boy was dead on. I thought it was great.
Oh, and by the way, I know plenty of liberal Jews that would disagree with your generalization of all "leftists" feelings in this country about Israel.
You are pathetic. Madman, Shahram is right. Go medicate yourself. They have places to help people like you.
What you said to Miner Boy was dead on. I thought it was great.
Oh, and by the way, I know plenty of liberal Jews that would disagree with your generalization of all "leftists" feelings in this country about Israel.
I know plenty of liberal Jews too. I do live in NY after all.
They are liberals, they are not leftists. They don't support the various anti-Israeli campaigns of the American left. One of the biggest is getting every university to divest their financial interests from Israeli companies or other companies doing business with Israel. The left is doing the same thing with municipal pension funds and attempting it with some private funds. That's just one example of the left's love of Israel.
You come here and try to impress into everyone that you're the smartest guy in the world. I would think even a marginally intelligent guy would know the difference between liberals and leftists.
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 03:55 PM
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx
Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right.
Laurens van der Post
Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right.
H. L. Mencken (1880-1956)
The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously.
Hubert H. Humphrey
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Moses dragged us for 40 years through the desert to bring us to the one place in the Middle East where there was no oil.
Golda Meir
Groucho Marx
Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right.
Laurens van der Post
Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right.
H. L. Mencken (1880-1956)
The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously.
Hubert H. Humphrey
______________________________________________
Moses dragged us for 40 years through the desert to bring us to the one place in the Middle East where there was no oil.
Golda Meir
Posted by: PDXterra
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
If I make a statement it's rarely if ever a generalization. I'm doing it because I know the aspects that are endemic to the various political trains of thought.
If I make a statement it's rarely if ever a generalization. I'm doing it because I know the aspects that are endemic to the various political trains of thought.
Yes, I know the difference between "leftists" and liberals, but while the bulk of my views are best described as liberal, some are considered leftist, and others are on the right hand side of the picture (immigration being one, plus I happen to own a few firearms).
Still, the point of my "tirade" wasn't to derail the topic, just to remind people that - political groups aside - most of us happen to have similar goals in life. Compelling discussion rarely ensues comments such as "you people are withouth rational thought." It's human nature to take the defensive, you can't argue with that. I'll make an attempt at deciphering who you're criticizing in the future.
So, back to that topic.
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
So, getting back on topic... What do you think of those Israeli's?
So, getting back on topic... What do you think of those Israeli's?
However, I am scared shitless that we're going to get involved military-wise due to our political stance with Israel, and knowing that holy wars are generally pretty brutal, I'm worried that Iraq was only the tip of the iceberg concerning our middle-eastern meddling.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by PDXterra:
Oh c'mon now, you're joking right? In this thead alone you've referred to the several million people living around Israel (in adjacent countries) as "bloodthirsty vermin." I call that "generalization."
Oh c'mon now, you're joking right? In this thead alone you've referred to the several million people living around Israel (in adjacent countries) as "bloodthirsty vermin." I call that "generalization."
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Yes, I know the difference between "leftists" and liberals, but while the bulk of my views are best described as liberal, some are considered leftist, and others are on the right hand side of the picture (immigration being one, plus I happen to own a few firearms).
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However, I am scared shitless that we're going to get involved military-wise due to our political stance with Israel, and knowing that holy wars are generally pretty brutal, I'm worried that Iraq was only the tip of the iceberg concerning our middle-eastern meddling.
I'm also not sure "holy war" is the best description. Israel doesn't fight for reasons of holy war. They fight for their survival. The other side fights for varied reasons.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
It couldn't be any clearer if you wore an SS patch or just finished wiping the cum off your mouth from sucking the cock of some Hamas leader.
It couldn't be any clearer if you wore an SS patch or just finished wiping the cum off your mouth from sucking the cock of some Hamas leader.
On this debate, what I find interesting is that most here are all cheering on Israel for wanting to fight back against terrorists in retalliation for their attacks, yet many of these same people have a big issue with the U.S. being in that same region fighting back against terrorists in retalliation for their attacks.
Interesting indeed.
Nonetheless, these threads are good fun.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 04:46 PM
Should be interesting to see if the jews go all the way or they pull a Bush Senior. fuck let's get it all over with and eliminate hezbollah (fag name for a terror org) and Syria while we are at it. There will be plenty of work for the US servicemen for decades to come that is for sure, you know they are gonna blame the US, I bet Bin Laden is Jerking off right this moment.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by Desert_Rat:
C'mon...this comment was PRICELESS![/b]
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]
It couldn't be any clearer if you wore an SS patch or just finished wiping the cum off your mouth from sucking the cock of some Hamas leader.
[b]
It couldn't be any clearer if you wore an SS patch or just finished wiping the cum off your mouth from sucking the cock of some Hamas leader.
After all, it's been said that this is not the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour.
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Nonetheless, these threads are good fun.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 05:02 PM
NY - where the fuck did I say I hate the Jews? Where? I have no problem with Jewish people, Arabs, or any other religious group or nationality (as previously stated). I don't like the way the government of Israel has handled it's terrorist problems; I feel they have a tendency to go overboard, and as a result I dislike the current Israeli govt., but not the people. That is the problem with you NY, you jump to the most intense conclusions I have ever seen; you go overboard. The funny part is, to me at least, that if you ever needed help on the side of the road, I would offer whatever I could - I have a feeling you would run my ass down without blinking.
To classify an entire region, due to their religious followings, as terrorists or vermin is wrong, and sickens me. I have known so many great Iranians, Saudis, Israelis, and Egyptians I could never support the claim that all people there are blood-thirsty mongrels, like yourself.
I am a crazy liberal, never considered myself a leftist, but I am open to suggestions. Don't lump me in with anyone else, I represent no one. My opinions are just that, my opinions. Your opinions, NY are somehow different; somehow you feel we need to take you seriously, like if we aren't "converting" you aren't trying hard enough. I have know quite a few people like yourself, and have always walked away feeling so sorry for them. One day you will have a massive heart attack, die sad and alone, realizing that 3000+ posts on XOC was not the way to spend your time. Pathetic really.
Lastly, Israel needs to cool down, just like NY. Take a chill pill, smoke a bowl, but for God sakes man I am worried about the stress from all of this puts on that tiny, black heart of yours.
To classify an entire region, due to their religious followings, as terrorists or vermin is wrong, and sickens me. I have known so many great Iranians, Saudis, Israelis, and Egyptians I could never support the claim that all people there are blood-thirsty mongrels, like yourself.
I am a crazy liberal, never considered myself a leftist, but I am open to suggestions. Don't lump me in with anyone else, I represent no one. My opinions are just that, my opinions. Your opinions, NY are somehow different; somehow you feel we need to take you seriously, like if we aren't "converting" you aren't trying hard enough. I have know quite a few people like yourself, and have always walked away feeling so sorry for them. One day you will have a massive heart attack, die sad and alone, realizing that 3000+ posts on XOC was not the way to spend your time. Pathetic really.
Lastly, Israel needs to cool down, just like NY. Take a chill pill, smoke a bowl, but for God sakes man I am worried about the stress from all of this puts on that tiny, black heart of yours.
Posted by: Weasel
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 05:04 PM
I think what people on this board are realizing is that its all bullshit.
Yes all of it.
Every issue is spun so fucking retarded that its becomes meaningless.
The crazies are in charge of the political parties because real people have shit to do.
Yes all of it.
Every issue is spun so fucking retarded that its becomes meaningless.
The crazies are in charge of the political parties because real people have shit to do.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 05:20 PM
Quote:
The Arabs have been attacking Israel since the Allies carved out a "homeland" for the Jews in 1948. They went from being ruled by the Ottoman Empire, to the British Empire, to having a bunch of displaced foreigners given the keys to their land by outside powers. Personally, I would have been a little pissed myself.
These religious zealots actually lived side by side with the Jews until the Brits fucked the whole thing up. They took 80% of the land, turned it into Jordan, put a foreign monarch in charge, and allowed them to kick out all the Jews that lived there. Then they decided the rest should be split between the Jews and 'Palestinians'.
This was well before 1948. The two-state solution came out of the now defunct League of Nations. Of course the Brits put a terrorist in charge of the remaining land, who worked with Hitler to kill as many of them as they could. He planned to set up camps in Israel at some point. He of course was never able to do this, because he ended up having to hide from the hangman's noose in Egypt after WW2.
This monster is viewed as a Palestinian 'national hero', and Arafat called him uncle. So please don't try to feed us this line of Zionist oppression bullshit. We aren't all idiots.
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Now it has become the quagmire we have today. Religious zealots fighting a war in the name of their god, against not only the Zionists, but the entire western world.
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The middle east has not known true peace.....ever, only occupying powers, dictators, and kings. That is not going to change until the next generations of people are taught tolerance instead of hatred (so not in my lifetime), or everyone gets turned to glass in a nuclear fire.
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The US had its hand in the formation of Israel, not out of some righteous need to do right by the Jews, but because none of the the allied powers wanted an influx of millions of Jewish refugees into their respective countries after WWII. So they offered them the "Holy Land" some of them wanted. They just failed to mention that somebody else was living there.
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Times change, I realize that, after all our own Manifest Destiny was nothing but a land grab for a growing county. However, I have no desire to fight a war for a spot of land that has no meaning for me whatsoever. Unfortunately, if we just let them fight it out, we still have to deal with whichever side wins. That sure sounds appealing.
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You want to call me an "anti-war hippie", or an "anti-semite" then so be it. Your arrogance means nothing to me.
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What does mean something to me is the fact that the US has now become the new occupying power in the middle east. No good deed goes unpunished.
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I don't believe in Isolationism, but dammit, does the US have to try to be the self-righteous savior to every area of the world that hates us? Spreading peace and democracy worldwide, whether you want it or not. We are the new Roman Empire, and our days of dominance in a world that despises us are numbered.
We were attacked first. Hell we even helped the attackers defend themselves against the Soviet Union, and then they got offended that we kicked an invading tyrant out of Kuwait, never mind that the entire world agreed it was the right thing to do, and decided we were the new enemy. Forget that we actually sacrificed our own lives to defend Muslims in the Middle East and Europe. Kill Whitey!
So you keep on defending them, thankfully the brave Israeli soldiers, and the fighting men of the US Armed Forces will keep on killing them so that you will continue to be able to disparage them from your comfy chair.
Posted by: Samueul
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Weasel:
I think what people on this board are realizing is that its all bullshit.
Yes all of it.
Every issue is spun so fucking retarded that its becomes meaningless.
The crazies are in charge of the political parties because real people have shit to do.
I think what people on this board are realizing is that its all bullshit.
Yes all of it.
Every issue is spun so fucking retarded that its becomes meaningless.
The crazies are in charge of the political parties because real people have shit to do.
I hate when that happens.
You know, you wake up one day, turn on the news to see the latest "bullshit in Iraq" story and wham! Look honey, WWIII has started.......
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Branden Burden:
NY - where the fuck did I say I hate the Jews? Where? I have no problem with Jewish people, Arabs, or any other religious group or nationality (as previously stated). I don't like the way the government of Israel has handled it's terrorist problems; I feel they have a tendency to go overboard, and as a result I dislike the current Israeli govt., but not the people. That is the problem with you NY, you jump to the most intense conclusions I have ever seen; you go overboard. The funny part is, to me at least, that if you ever needed help on the side of the road, I would offer whatever I could - I have a feeling you would run my ass down without blinking.
To classify an entire region, due to their religious followings, as terrorists or vermin is wrong, and sickens me. I have known so many great Iranians, Saudis, Israelis, and Egyptians I could never support the claim that all people there are blood-thirsty mongrels, like yourself.
I am a crazy liberal, never considered myself a leftist, but I am open to suggestions. Don't lump me in with anyone else, I represent no one. My opinions are just that, my opinions. Your opinions, NY are somehow different; somehow you feel we need to take you seriously, like if we aren't "converting" you aren't trying hard enough. I have know quite a few people like yourself, and have always walked away feeling so sorry for them. One day you will have a massive heart attack, die sad and alone, realizing that 3000+ posts on XOC was not the way to spend your time. Pathetic really.
Lastly, Israel needs to cool down, just like NY. Take a chill pill, smoke a bowl, but for God sakes man I am worried about the stress from all of this puts on that tiny, black heart of yours.
NY - where the fuck did I say I hate the Jews? Where? I have no problem with Jewish people, Arabs, or any other religious group or nationality (as previously stated). I don't like the way the government of Israel has handled it's terrorist problems; I feel they have a tendency to go overboard, and as a result I dislike the current Israeli govt., but not the people. That is the problem with you NY, you jump to the most intense conclusions I have ever seen; you go overboard. The funny part is, to me at least, that if you ever needed help on the side of the road, I would offer whatever I could - I have a feeling you would run my ass down without blinking.
To classify an entire region, due to their religious followings, as terrorists or vermin is wrong, and sickens me. I have known so many great Iranians, Saudis, Israelis, and Egyptians I could never support the claim that all people there are blood-thirsty mongrels, like yourself.
I am a crazy liberal, never considered myself a leftist, but I am open to suggestions. Don't lump me in with anyone else, I represent no one. My opinions are just that, my opinions. Your opinions, NY are somehow different; somehow you feel we need to take you seriously, like if we aren't "converting" you aren't trying hard enough. I have know quite a few people like yourself, and have always walked away feeling so sorry for them. One day you will have a massive heart attack, die sad and alone, realizing that 3000+ posts on XOC was not the way to spend your time. Pathetic really.
Lastly, Israel needs to cool down, just like NY. Take a chill pill, smoke a bowl, but for God sakes man I am worried about the stress from all of this puts on that tiny, black heart of yours.
:rolleyes:
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Branden Burden:
NY - where the fuck did I say I hate the Jews? Where? I have no problem with Jewish people, Arabs, or any other religious group or nationality (as previously stated). I don't like the way the government of Israel has handled it's terrorist problems; I feel they have a tendency to go overboard, and as a result I dislike the current Israeli govt., but not the people. That is the problem with you NY, you jump to the most intense conclusions I have ever seen; you go overboard. The funny part is, to me at least, that if you ever needed help on the side of the road, I would offer whatever I could - I have a feeling you would run my ass down without blinking.
To classify an entire region, due to their religious followings, as terrorists or vermin is wrong, and sickens me. I have known so many great Iranians, Saudis, Israelis, and Egyptians I could never support the claim that all people there are blood-thirsty mongrels, like yourself.
I am a crazy liberal, never considered myself a leftist, but I am open to suggestions. Don't lump me in with anyone else, I represent no one. My opinions are just that, my opinions. Your opinions, NY are somehow different; somehow you feel we need to take you seriously, like if we aren't "converting" you aren't trying hard enough. I have know quite a few people like yourself, and have always walked away feeling so sorry for them. One day you will have a massive heart attack, die sad and alone, realizing that 3000+ posts on XOC was not the way to spend your time. Pathetic really.
Lastly, Israel needs to cool down, just like NY. Take a chill pill, smoke a bowl, but for God sakes man I am worried about the stress from all of this puts on that tiny, black heart of yours.
NY - where the fuck did I say I hate the Jews? Where? I have no problem with Jewish people, Arabs, or any other religious group or nationality (as previously stated). I don't like the way the government of Israel has handled it's terrorist problems; I feel they have a tendency to go overboard, and as a result I dislike the current Israeli govt., but not the people. That is the problem with you NY, you jump to the most intense conclusions I have ever seen; you go overboard. The funny part is, to me at least, that if you ever needed help on the side of the road, I would offer whatever I could - I have a feeling you would run my ass down without blinking.
To classify an entire region, due to their religious followings, as terrorists or vermin is wrong, and sickens me. I have known so many great Iranians, Saudis, Israelis, and Egyptians I could never support the claim that all people there are blood-thirsty mongrels, like yourself.
I am a crazy liberal, never considered myself a leftist, but I am open to suggestions. Don't lump me in with anyone else, I represent no one. My opinions are just that, my opinions. Your opinions, NY are somehow different; somehow you feel we need to take you seriously, like if we aren't "converting" you aren't trying hard enough. I have know quite a few people like yourself, and have always walked away feeling so sorry for them. One day you will have a massive heart attack, die sad and alone, realizing that 3000+ posts on XOC was not the way to spend your time. Pathetic really.
Lastly, Israel needs to cool down, just like NY. Take a chill pill, smoke a bowl, but for God sakes man I am worried about the stress from all of this puts on that tiny, black heart of yours.
You come out anti-Israeli in every thread about Israel that I have seen. You are now lying that you only hate the current government but the current government is doing nothing different that past governments haven't done. The Prime Minister has barely been in office long enough for the wallpaper glue in his office to be dry. You hate Israel. That is more than obvious. All you people who hate Israel always claim "I have friends who are Jewish" to hide your hate. That's as regular and predicable as clockwork.
You never, ever criticize the terrorists. You blame Israel for handling their terrorism problems with force. Yet in your insane train of thought it never occurs to you to criticize terrorists for being .... terrorists. In your mind Israel goes overboard. You can never bring yourself to say the terrorists go overboard. You can never bring yourself to the realization that without terrorism, there wouldn't be the activities we are witnessing today in the news.
You are a terrorist sympathizer. A terrorist appeaser. That makes you almost as bad as them.
I also never said all the people over there were bloodthirsty vermin. I didn't classify all of the people over there, so don't put words in my mouth. I explained it in a post above. Go read it.
I also couldn't care less about "converting" anyone, most especially you. I can recognize an exercize in futility when i see it. You have futile all over you.
I appreciate your concern for my health and my posting count. Is 3000 posts in over four years a lot? I don't know.
What have you done in the short time you have been here with your post count? Let's see... One of the first things you did was start a thread asking who has the most dangerous job. Your insecurity about yourself was busting out so you felt you had to proclaim you were some type of a tough guy because you go down into gold mines and sniff the farts of guys who actually do the real work.
You're not a toughguy. You are a leftist. You're a terrorist sympathizer. That makes you lower than any mine they occasionally allow you to play in.
Go ahead. Smoke your bowl. Maybe that is why you see me with a black heart. Maybe the pot smoke has clouded your brain so much, you can't see anything. I'd rather have any color heart than your vacuous brain.
Posted by: XOC
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 06:57 PM
3...2...1..
ALR
ALR
Posted by: BurgPath
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by spalind:
Yup....all comes back to one simple saying...."If the Palestinians/terrorists laid down there weapons all at once, peace would breakout all across the mideast...If the Isrealis laid down their weapons, Isreal would cease to exist in a matter of a few days..." Anyone dispute that?
Yup....all comes back to one simple saying...."If the Palestinians/terrorists laid down there weapons all at once, peace would breakout all across the mideast...If the Isrealis laid down their weapons, Isreal would cease to exist in a matter of a few days..." Anyone dispute that?
Posted by: PDXterra
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 08:43 PM
So...uh....will 33" tires fit on my....
Oh, never mind.
Oh, never mind.
Posted by: Todrick
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 08:57 PM
can we ban brandon yet?
this thread proves he' just a troll.
he came in with an absurd point of view that no sane person could have and then onc ehe gets everyone riled up he take soff and lets them fight amongst themselves....
classic troll.
this thread proves he' just a troll.
he came in with an absurd point of view that no sane person could have and then onc ehe gets everyone riled up he take soff and lets them fight amongst themselves....
classic troll.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 11:45 PM
GO ISREAL!!!
Posted by: Todrick
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 13/07/06 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by WolfmanX:
GO ISREAL!!!
GO ISREAL!!!
Posted by: MBFlyerfan
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 05:06 AM
Why is it hard core leftists always chafe when they are called hardcore leftists? Shouldnt they be proud of what they are, or does something about what they believe embarrass them?
One thing this war is doing already is exposing the UN bias against Israel. You cant even deny it exists any more.
Where are the resolutions condemning Hezbollah?
One thing this war is doing already is exposing the UN bias against Israel. You cant even deny it exists any more.
Where are the resolutions condemning Hezbollah?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 08:05 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I would think even a marginally intelligent guy would know the difference between liberals and leftists.
I would think even a marginally intelligent guy would know the difference between liberals and leftists.
I have no desire to continue a back-and-forth with you over personal BS. The funny thing is that we're in agreement over the actual topic here. I apologize for berating you about your attack on PDX. PDX is obviously a big boy who can take care of himself. The one thing I will say, is that I am not trying to impress anyone here, as you suggest. I, like most people here, come here for laughs, interesting conversation, and sometimes a good flaming if Miner Boy shows up.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 09:05 AM
I read the first few pages. I couldn't read anymore... Too much BS flying around.
So here's my $.01 worth.
Typically/ordinarily, I'd side with Isreal when it comes to their response towards terrorists. And to be honest, I like the gung-ho attitude w/ going after the piece of shits.
But in this particular instance, I feel that Israel is going too far with this, over 2 soldiers. Don't get me wrong; I am all for the "noone gets left behind" attitude, and for the "no negotiations" attitude with dealing with Hezbollah, and other organizations like this.
What I don't understand, however, is how attacking Lebanon, and knocking them back two decades of advancement, is helping Isreal's case. They've done an excellent job over the past decade with precision strikes against the guilty party; taking a heli and blasting the shiite out of whatever carload of people they needed to hit. But for some reason, they've taken a broad "kill 'em all" approach this time, and I don't think it serves their purpose.
In the overall grand scheme of things, as of right now, there are only 2 Israeli soldiers kidnapped and lost. Blowing up a neighboring country isn't going to get those 2 soldiers back. Going after the Hezbollah directly will. But you've got to hit the "right" Hezbollah. It doesn't seem prudent to piss off the neighbors for *only* 2 soldiers.
This feeling I've got directly conflicts my feelings on Iraq, however, and a lot of things in general. But I'm afraid that Israel is dragging the middle east into the precurser for WWIII. And for something that is not a large/harsh enough offense to warrant it.
So here's my $.01 worth.
Typically/ordinarily, I'd side with Isreal when it comes to their response towards terrorists. And to be honest, I like the gung-ho attitude w/ going after the piece of shits.
But in this particular instance, I feel that Israel is going too far with this, over 2 soldiers. Don't get me wrong; I am all for the "noone gets left behind" attitude, and for the "no negotiations" attitude with dealing with Hezbollah, and other organizations like this.
What I don't understand, however, is how attacking Lebanon, and knocking them back two decades of advancement, is helping Isreal's case. They've done an excellent job over the past decade with precision strikes against the guilty party; taking a heli and blasting the shiite out of whatever carload of people they needed to hit. But for some reason, they've taken a broad "kill 'em all" approach this time, and I don't think it serves their purpose.
In the overall grand scheme of things, as of right now, there are only 2 Israeli soldiers kidnapped and lost. Blowing up a neighboring country isn't going to get those 2 soldiers back. Going after the Hezbollah directly will. But you've got to hit the "right" Hezbollah. It doesn't seem prudent to piss off the neighbors for *only* 2 soldiers.
This feeling I've got directly conflicts my feelings on Iraq, however, and a lot of things in general. But I'm afraid that Israel is dragging the middle east into the precurser for WWIII. And for something that is not a large/harsh enough offense to warrant it.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 09:16 AM
I don't see this 'kill 'em all' attitude at all. They are trying to wipe out Hezbollah once and for all. They have dropped leaflets warning civilians to get out of certain areas, and 700 missiles have been launched from Lebanon. They asked Lebanon to deploy it's military to deal with Hezbollah and they refused.
This isn't about two soldiers. It is about terrorist kidnappings. If they allow it to work once, it will get worse and worse. Hezbollah also chose to attack deep into Israel. That was a mistake.
Israel has been here before. They were convinced by the Clinton administration to leave the occupied buffer strip in Lebanon. They occupied the country to protect themselves from Hezbollah/Iranian Guard missiles for 20 years. As usual the terrorists saw this as a sign of weakness, and reacted.
This was just a matter of time in the making. Israel is not going to sit by the sideline, and wait for their enemies to get strong enough to take them out.
This isn't about two soldiers. It is about terrorist kidnappings. If they allow it to work once, it will get worse and worse. Hezbollah also chose to attack deep into Israel. That was a mistake.
Israel has been here before. They were convinced by the Clinton administration to leave the occupied buffer strip in Lebanon. They occupied the country to protect themselves from Hezbollah/Iranian Guard missiles for 20 years. As usual the terrorists saw this as a sign of weakness, and reacted.
This was just a matter of time in the making. Israel is not going to sit by the sideline, and wait for their enemies to get strong enough to take them out.
Posted by: RedX
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 09:18 AM
While I generally try to stay out of online discussions on matters like this, I can, for the record, usually be observed as rather conservative in my leanings and beliefs.
I concur with porsche's sentiments. I would think that Israel would be more precisely striking those that are causing the problems. I understand that some of what they are doing is intended to negate Hezbollah's capability to operate, but there does seem to be a substantial amount of collateral damage....or at least damage that not only disrupts Hezbollah's activities, but also affects Lebanon's (and Gaza's) citizenry....citizenry, who, in spite of the image created by the radicals, in large part really only wants the opportunity to exist.
Israel has what is feels is justification in their actions.....and in great part I feel they are justified as well. I would just like to see a more surgical application of the actions.....a precision, as porsche alluded to....Israel is quite capable of.
No easy answers, of course. But my thoughts are with all the innocents that are caught in the crossfire.
I concur with porsche's sentiments. I would think that Israel would be more precisely striking those that are causing the problems. I understand that some of what they are doing is intended to negate Hezbollah's capability to operate, but there does seem to be a substantial amount of collateral damage....or at least damage that not only disrupts Hezbollah's activities, but also affects Lebanon's (and Gaza's) citizenry....citizenry, who, in spite of the image created by the radicals, in large part really only wants the opportunity to exist.
Israel has what is feels is justification in their actions.....and in great part I feel they are justified as well. I would just like to see a more surgical application of the actions.....a precision, as porsche alluded to....Israel is quite capable of.
No easy answers, of course. But my thoughts are with all the innocents that are caught in the crossfire.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 09:22 AM
You are talking about the innocents that elected Hamas and refuse to kick the terrorists out of their country right?
Posted by: RedX
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
You are talking about the innocents that elected Hamas and refuse to kick the terrorists out of their country right?
You are talking about the innocents that elected Hamas and refuse to kick the terrorists out of their country right?
Just as labelling all Americans as a war-mongering infidels is not accurate, labelling all those that reside in Gaza and Lebanon as supporters of terrorists activities is not accurate. Those factions do exist, and do maintain effective hold over the region, but not all citizens share those beliefs.
Surely you can acknowledge that those people exist.....
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by porsche996:
What I don't understand, however, is how attacking Lebanon, and knocking them back two decades of advancement, is helping Isreal's case.
What I don't understand, however, is how attacking Lebanon, and knocking them back two decades of advancement, is helping Isreal's case.
You know, to look at this isolated incident in isolation is ridiculous. Israel isn't merely reacting to the capture of two soldiers, it's reacting to centuries of hate directed at them. You may think that they're flying off the handle, but try to imagine being surrounded by people who would love nothing more than wipe your seed from the earth. I think you might react strongly when provoked. Key word: provoked.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 09:55 AM
I'm not talking about the world's sentiments towards Israel, when I mention "not helping their case". I'm talking about their wanting peace in the region.
IMO, it's too late for Israel to take such a harsh stance, as just a few years ago they DID pay a ransom for the release of a hostage. A wealthy businessman from Israel was kidnapped, and Israel relased dozens of prisoners for his exchange. They screwed up, then, by setting the precedence that they'd pay for exchanges. To take their hardlined approach, now, does not help their cause.
I would have preferred they put together a team of black ops and rescue their soldiers, instead of immediately calling on air strikes.
Besides. I still can't figure out how you can piss off an IceChicken so much he starts dropping bombs on your head. I mean, really....
IMO, it's too late for Israel to take such a harsh stance, as just a few years ago they DID pay a ransom for the release of a hostage. A wealthy businessman from Israel was kidnapped, and Israel relased dozens of prisoners for his exchange. They screwed up, then, by setting the precedence that they'd pay for exchanges. To take their hardlined approach, now, does not help their cause.
I would have preferred they put together a team of black ops and rescue their soldiers, instead of immediately calling on air strikes.
Besides. I still can't figure out how you can piss off an IceChicken so much he starts dropping bombs on your head. I mean, really....
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by porsche996:
I read the first few pages. I couldn't read anymore... Too much BS flying around.
So here's my $.01 worth.
Typically/ordinarily, I'd side with Isreal when it comes to their response towards terrorists. And to be honest, I like the gung-ho attitude w/ going after the piece of shits.
But in this particular instance, I feel that Israel is going too far with this, over 2 soldiers. Don't get me wrong; I am all for the "noone gets left behind" attitude, and for the "no negotiations" attitude with dealing with Hezbollah, and other organizations like this.
What I don't understand, however, is how attacking Lebanon, and knocking them back two decades of advancement, is helping Isreal's case. They've done an excellent job over the past decade with precision strikes against the guilty party; taking a heli and blasting the shiite out of whatever carload of people they needed to hit. But for some reason, they've taken a broad "kill 'em all" approach this time, and I don't think it serves their purpose.
In the overall grand scheme of things, as of right now, there are only 2 Israeli soldiers kidnapped and lost. Blowing up a neighboring country isn't going to get those 2 soldiers back. Going after the Hezbollah directly will. But you've got to hit the "right" Hezbollah. It doesn't seem prudent to piss off the neighbors for *only* 2 soldiers.
I read the first few pages. I couldn't read anymore... Too much BS flying around.
So here's my $.01 worth.
Typically/ordinarily, I'd side with Isreal when it comes to their response towards terrorists. And to be honest, I like the gung-ho attitude w/ going after the piece of shits.
But in this particular instance, I feel that Israel is going too far with this, over 2 soldiers. Don't get me wrong; I am all for the "noone gets left behind" attitude, and for the "no negotiations" attitude with dealing with Hezbollah, and other organizations like this.
What I don't understand, however, is how attacking Lebanon, and knocking them back two decades of advancement, is helping Isreal's case. They've done an excellent job over the past decade with precision strikes against the guilty party; taking a heli and blasting the shiite out of whatever carload of people they needed to hit. But for some reason, they've taken a broad "kill 'em all" approach this time, and I don't think it serves their purpose.
In the overall grand scheme of things, as of right now, there are only 2 Israeli soldiers kidnapped and lost. Blowing up a neighboring country isn't going to get those 2 soldiers back. Going after the Hezbollah directly will. But you've got to hit the "right" Hezbollah. It doesn't seem prudent to piss off the neighbors for *only* 2 soldiers.
On the surface what you say may be logical if you were only looking at the surface.... and in one direction. But in reality this is about a lot more than just three soldiers. Lebanon is also more than just your average neighboring country.
A lot has happened in Lebanon. Especially over the past year and a half. Are you familiar with what has taken place there over the past 18 months or more?
Israel is fighting Hezbollah in Lebanon. They are not targeting Lebanese troops, but they need to cut off Hezbollah's access to Damascus. They need to block the ports to prevent arms and weapons shipments. They will destroy whatever assets Hezbollah is using. Such as the Beirut airport. If Israel wanted to outright attack the Lebanese people, they would have destroyed the power grid in that country first.
To make a long story short, Israel is fighting a proxy war with Iran right now. Those proxies being Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the south. Syria as a partner.
Quote:
This feeling I've got directly conflicts my feelings on Iraq, however, and a lot of things in general. But I'm afraid that Israel is dragging the middle east into the precurser for WWIII. And for something that is not a large/harsh enough offense to warrant it.
The timing is not unusal considering what the madman Iranian president said just last Saturday...
Ahmadinejad has been mobilizing his terrorist proxies. (He's the kind of guy you really want with nuclear weapons too).
It's about more than just the kidnapped soldiers. The attacks from Gaza in the south and then the soldiers being kidnapped were the provocation to deal with the terrorist forces that were building up.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by RedX:
No....I am talking about anyone who is caught in the middle....children, those who have tried to live their lives as best they can.
No....I am talking about anyone who is caught in the middle....children, those who have tried to live their lives as best they can.
That's their MO. They do it in Iraq. They do it in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.
Jordan recently caught them shipping weapons through that country and immediately cancelled a meeting with one of the elected Hamas leaders.
Posted by: RedX
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
The problem with Islamic terrorist groups is they set up their headquarters and keep their weapons caches in the middle of civilian populations.
That's their MO. They do it in Iraq. They do it in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.
Jordan recently caught them shipping weapons through that country and immediately cancelled a meeting with one of the elected Hamas leaders.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by RedX:
[b]No....I am talking about anyone who is caught in the middle....children, those who have tried to live their lives as best they can.
[b]No....I am talking about anyone who is caught in the middle....children, those who have tried to live their lives as best they can.
That's their MO. They do it in Iraq. They do it in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.
Jordan recently caught them shipping weapons through that country and immediately cancelled a meeting with one of the elected Hamas leaders.[/b]
Maybe I'm just getting old.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
The problem with Islamic terrorist groups is they set up their headquarters and keep their weapons caches in the middle of civilian populations.
That's their MO. They do it in Iraq. They do it in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.
Jordan recently caught them shipping weapons through that country and immediately cancelled a meeting with one of the elected Hamas leaders.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by RedX:
[b]No....I am talking about anyone who is caught in the middle....children, those who have tried to live their lives as best they can.
[b]No....I am talking about anyone who is caught in the middle....children, those who have tried to live their lives as best they can.
That's their MO. They do it in Iraq. They do it in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.
Jordan recently caught them shipping weapons through that country and immediately cancelled a meeting with one of the elected Hamas leaders.[/b]
Posted by: BIBXTERRA
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2Xplore:
I had no intention of being sucked into this fray, but oh well.....
Never in my lifetime did I think to see these words used together in the same sentence. I believe this may be a sign of the Amageddon!
The Arabs have been attacking Israel since the Allies carved out a "homeland" for the Jews in 1948. They went from being ruled by the Ottoman Empire, to the British Empire, to having a bunch of displaced foreigners given the keys to their land by outside powers. Personally, I would have been a little pissed myself.
Now it has become the quagmire we have today. Religious zealots fighting a war in the name of their god, against not only the Zionists, but the entire western world.
The middle east has not known true peace.....ever, only occupying powers, dictators, and kings. That is not going to change until the next generations of people are taught tolerance instead of hatred (so not in my lifetime), or everyone gets turned to glass in a nuclear fire.
The US had its hand in the formation of Israel, not out of some righteous need to do right by the Jews, but because none of the the allied powers wanted an influx of millions of Jewish refugees into their respective countries after WWII. So they offered them the "Holy Land" some of them wanted. They just failed to mention that somebody else was living there.
Times change, I realize that, after all our own Manifest Destiny was nothing but a land grab for a growing county. However, I have no desire to fight a war for a spot of land that has no meaning for me whatsoever. Unfotunately, if we just let them fight it out, we still have to deal with whichever side wins. That sure sounds appealing.
You want to call me an "anti-war hippie", or an "anti-semite" then so be it. Your arrogance means nothing to me.
What does mean something to me is the fact that the US has now become the new occupying power in the middle east. No good deed goes unpunished.
I don't believe in Isolationism, but dammit, does the US have to try to be the self-righteous savior to every area of the world that hates us? Spreading peace and democracy worldwide, whether you want it or not. We are the new Roman Empire, and our days of dominance in a world that despises us are numbered.
Shahram, the "Costco Member since 2006" is awesome![/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by PDXterra:
[b] This is XOC, not the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour.
[b] This is XOC, not the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour.
Never in my lifetime did I think to see these words used together in the same sentence. I believe this may be a sign of the Amageddon!
The Arabs have been attacking Israel since the Allies carved out a "homeland" for the Jews in 1948. They went from being ruled by the Ottoman Empire, to the British Empire, to having a bunch of displaced foreigners given the keys to their land by outside powers. Personally, I would have been a little pissed myself.
Now it has become the quagmire we have today. Religious zealots fighting a war in the name of their god, against not only the Zionists, but the entire western world.
The middle east has not known true peace.....ever, only occupying powers, dictators, and kings. That is not going to change until the next generations of people are taught tolerance instead of hatred (so not in my lifetime), or everyone gets turned to glass in a nuclear fire.
The US had its hand in the formation of Israel, not out of some righteous need to do right by the Jews, but because none of the the allied powers wanted an influx of millions of Jewish refugees into their respective countries after WWII. So they offered them the "Holy Land" some of them wanted. They just failed to mention that somebody else was living there.
Times change, I realize that, after all our own Manifest Destiny was nothing but a land grab for a growing county. However, I have no desire to fight a war for a spot of land that has no meaning for me whatsoever. Unfotunately, if we just let them fight it out, we still have to deal with whichever side wins. That sure sounds appealing.
You want to call me an "anti-war hippie", or an "anti-semite" then so be it. Your arrogance means nothing to me.
What does mean something to me is the fact that the US has now become the new occupying power in the middle east. No good deed goes unpunished.
I don't believe in Isolationism, but dammit, does the US have to try to be the self-righteous savior to every area of the world that hates us? Spreading peace and democracy worldwide, whether you want it or not. We are the new Roman Empire, and our days of dominance in a world that despises us are numbered.
Shahram, the "Costco Member since 2006" is awesome![/b]
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
The trouble is, Madman, you often use the two terms interchangeably. Also, we don't have the "NY Madman secret decoder ring" that comes in boxes of Captain Crunch to decipher exactly what you mean by your generalizations at times. More to the point, throwing out monikers like that is more an act of rhetoric or hyperbole than a constructive exercise that helps us understand anything about anyone. Am I guilty of this at times? Sure. But you use words like "liberal" or "leftist" as epithets in half your posts. You act as though its like condemning somebody as a child molestor or murderer. I have a little higher opinion of those who are on the lefthand side of the spectrum, especially if they actually have thought out their opinions and views--like a number of people here.
I have no desire to continue a back-and-forth with you over personal BS. The funny thing is that we're in agreement over the actual topic here. I apologize for berating you about your attack on PDX. PDX is obviously a big boy who can take care of himself. The one thing I will say, is that I am not trying to impress anyone here, as you suggest. I, like most people here, come here for laughs, interesting conversation, and sometimes a good flaming if Miner Boy shows up.
The trouble is, Madman, you often use the two terms interchangeably. Also, we don't have the "NY Madman secret decoder ring" that comes in boxes of Captain Crunch to decipher exactly what you mean by your generalizations at times. More to the point, throwing out monikers like that is more an act of rhetoric or hyperbole than a constructive exercise that helps us understand anything about anyone. Am I guilty of this at times? Sure. But you use words like "liberal" or "leftist" as epithets in half your posts. You act as though its like condemning somebody as a child molestor or murderer. I have a little higher opinion of those who are on the lefthand side of the spectrum, especially if they actually have thought out their opinions and views--like a number of people here.
I have no desire to continue a back-and-forth with you over personal BS. The funny thing is that we're in agreement over the actual topic here. I apologize for berating you about your attack on PDX. PDX is obviously a big boy who can take care of himself. The one thing I will say, is that I am not trying to impress anyone here, as you suggest. I, like most people here, come here for laughs, interesting conversation, and sometimes a good flaming if Miner Boy shows up.
There was a time when I threw around the leftist label a lot. But then again there was a time when there were many people on this board who were poster children for the MoveOn.org generation. I don't do it as much anymore. I do it to people who I know and have a history with on the board. People for whom the term is apt. Branden is a known commodity.
I haven't called you a leftist.
By the way, I didn't attack PDX. He attacked me. I've seen his login name before, but I don't recall anything about him, so I wouldn't initiate an attack. We worked out the problems with counseling.
Your apology is accepted.
You'll have to excuse me now because some new users have entered the thread and they seem like leftists.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:39 AM
I go back to my post on page 1.
Too bad it's not Syria. Take the battle their direction.
I can empathize a bit with Lebanon...I'm sure the bulk of the country's population isn't crazy about the Hezbola forces there, but they're tolerated to avoid civil war and a breakdown of basic infrastructure. On the other hand, they tolerate this crap and Israel is calling them out on it.
Still...Syria and Iran are the problem children in the region and they're the force behind these jabs at Israel.
Maybe the US and Israel should take the stance and not recognize Syria and Iran, and we should call for their obliteration.
Seems it would turn the tables a bit.
Too bad it's not Syria. Take the battle their direction.
I can empathize a bit with Lebanon...I'm sure the bulk of the country's population isn't crazy about the Hezbola forces there, but they're tolerated to avoid civil war and a breakdown of basic infrastructure. On the other hand, they tolerate this crap and Israel is calling them out on it.
Still...Syria and Iran are the problem children in the region and they're the force behind these jabs at Israel.
Maybe the US and Israel should take the stance and not recognize Syria and Iran, and we should call for their obliteration.
Seems it would turn the tables a bit.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Are you done flying off the handle for no reason? You got all the personal insults out of your system?
There was a time when I threw around the leftist label a lot. But then again there was a time when there were many people on this board who were poster children for the MoveOn.org generation. I don't do it as much anymore. I do it to people who I know and have a history with on the board. People for whom the term is apt. Branden is a known commodity.
I haven't called you a leftist.
By the way, I didn't attack PDX. He attacked me. I've seen his login name before, but I don't recall anything about him, so I wouldn't initiate an attack. We worked out the problems with counseling.
Your apology is accepted.
You'll have to excuse me now because some new users have entered the thread and they seem like leftists. [/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]The trouble is, Madman, you often use the two terms interchangeably. Also, we don't have the "NY Madman secret decoder ring" that comes in boxes of Captain Crunch to decipher exactly what you mean by your generalizations at times. More to the point, throwing out monikers like that is more an act of rhetoric or hyperbole than a constructive exercise that helps us understand anything about anyone. Am I guilty of this at times? Sure. But you use words like "liberal" or "leftist" as epithets in half your posts. You act as though its like condemning somebody as a child molestor or murderer. I have a little higher opinion of those who are on the lefthand side of the spectrum, especially if they actually have thought out their opinions and views--like a number of people here.
I have no desire to continue a back-and-forth with you over personal BS. The funny thing is that we're in agreement over the actual topic here. I apologize for berating you about your attack on PDX. PDX is obviously a big boy who can take care of himself. The one thing I will say, is that I am not trying to impress anyone here, as you suggest. I, like most people here, come here for laughs, interesting conversation, and sometimes a good flaming if Miner Boy shows up.
[b]The trouble is, Madman, you often use the two terms interchangeably. Also, we don't have the "NY Madman secret decoder ring" that comes in boxes of Captain Crunch to decipher exactly what you mean by your generalizations at times. More to the point, throwing out monikers like that is more an act of rhetoric or hyperbole than a constructive exercise that helps us understand anything about anyone. Am I guilty of this at times? Sure. But you use words like "liberal" or "leftist" as epithets in half your posts. You act as though its like condemning somebody as a child molestor or murderer. I have a little higher opinion of those who are on the lefthand side of the spectrum, especially if they actually have thought out their opinions and views--like a number of people here.
I have no desire to continue a back-and-forth with you over personal BS. The funny thing is that we're in agreement over the actual topic here. I apologize for berating you about your attack on PDX. PDX is obviously a big boy who can take care of himself. The one thing I will say, is that I am not trying to impress anyone here, as you suggest. I, like most people here, come here for laughs, interesting conversation, and sometimes a good flaming if Miner Boy shows up.
There was a time when I threw around the leftist label a lot. But then again there was a time when there were many people on this board who were poster children for the MoveOn.org generation. I don't do it as much anymore. I do it to people who I know and have a history with on the board. People for whom the term is apt. Branden is a known commodity.
I haven't called you a leftist.
By the way, I didn't attack PDX. He attacked me. I've seen his login name before, but I don't recall anything about him, so I wouldn't initiate an attack. We worked out the problems with counseling.
Your apology is accepted.
You'll have to excuse me now because some new users have entered the thread and they seem like leftists.
[/b] Yeah, it looks like we have some work to do with these people who hold doctorates in "truth."
Posted by: MBFlyerfan
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:51 AM
Its pretty obvious Iran is the brains behind this whole operation.
I just wish we could somehow get a large number of troops stationed on either side of them in case we need to attack them one of these days.
Since war with Iran (the whole muslim world) seems inevitable (Ive been saying it will happen for ten years), I wish we had a leader who would foresee this and get troops into the region.
Off the top of my head, I cant remember what two countries are on Iran's eastern and western borders, but I am sure it will come to me eventually.
I just wish we could somehow get a large number of troops stationed on either side of them in case we need to attack them one of these days.
Since war with Iran (the whole muslim world) seems inevitable (Ive been saying it will happen for ten years), I wish we had a leader who would foresee this and get troops into the region.
Off the top of my head, I cant remember what two countries are on Iran's eastern and western borders, but I am sure it will come to me eventually.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:57 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by MBFlyerfan:
Off the top of my head, I cant remember what two countries are on Iran's eastern and western borders, but I am sure it will come to me eventually.
Off the top of my head, I cant remember what two countries are on Iran's eastern and western borders, but I am sure it will come to me eventually.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by MBFlyerfan:
Off the top of my head, I cant remember what two countries are on Iran's eastern and western borders, but I am sure it will come to me eventually.
Off the top of my head, I cant remember what two countries are on Iran's eastern and western borders, but I am sure it will come to me eventually.
Iraq and Afghanistan are to the west and east of Iran. You could say they're surrounded.
Posted by: MBFlyerfan
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:11 AM
Yes I was being sarcastic.
Iraq, and Afghanistan, why do those two countries sound familiar to me?
If Bush werent such an idiot and could have forseen this problem, maybe he could have found a way to get troops into Iraq and Afghanistan, so when the time came, we could be ready. :p
Let us not also forget that maybe we could have forces stationed south as well, say in Qatar or Kuwait. That would be great too.
Iraq, and Afghanistan, why do those two countries sound familiar to me?
If Bush werent such an idiot and could have forseen this problem, maybe he could have found a way to get troops into Iraq and Afghanistan, so when the time came, we could be ready. :p
Let us not also forget that maybe we could have forces stationed south as well, say in Qatar or Kuwait. That would be great too.
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:16 AM
Please tell me that you are not insinuating that Bush's master plan all along was to place troops in a strategic position to head off any Iranian agression.
I know that there's such thing as foresight but this administration has not presented itself as having the capacity to be the masterfull chess player that your post suggests.
I know that there's such thing as foresight but this administration has not presented itself as having the capacity to be the masterfull chess player that your post suggests.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:19 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Desert_Rat:
You could say they're surrounded.
You could say they're surrounded.
A lot of aircraft and naval forces that left the region have been brought back and are mobilzed in surrounding countries. Don't forget we have a new base in Uzbekistan also to stage air assaults.
Iran has significantly increased naval activity too. They are getting ready to blockade the Strait of Hormuz. A tremendous amount of shipping goes through there.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
Please tell me that you are not insinuating that Bush's master plan all along was to place troops in a strategic position to head off any Iranian agression.
I know that there's such thing as foresight but this administration has not presented itself as having the capacity to be the masterfull chess player that your post suggests.
Please tell me that you are not insinuating that Bush's master plan all along was to place troops in a strategic position to head off any Iranian agression.
I know that there's such thing as foresight but this administration has not presented itself as having the capacity to be the masterfull chess player that your post suggests.
Posted by: PDXterra
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
By the way, I didn't attack PDX. He attacked me. I've seen his login name before, but I don't recall anything about him, so I wouldn't initiate an attack. We worked out the problems with counseling.
By the way, I didn't attack PDX. He attacked me. I've seen his login name before, but I don't recall anything about him, so I wouldn't initiate an attack. We worked out the problems with counseling.
In addition, I felt like you'd lumped me in with Miner Boy...so you can't blame me for wanting to separate myself from his position.
It's a moot point.
My councelor is here.
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Hell I thought of it when they invaded. They have plenty of people smarter than me and you at the Pentagon.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
[b]Please tell me that you are not insinuating that Bush's master plan all along was to place troops in a strategic position to head off any Iranian agression.
I know that there's such thing as foresight but this administration has not presented itself as having the capacity to be the masterfull chess player that your post suggests.
[b]Please tell me that you are not insinuating that Bush's master plan all along was to place troops in a strategic position to head off any Iranian agression.
I know that there's such thing as foresight but this administration has not presented itself as having the capacity to be the masterfull chess player that your post suggests.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Don't forget we have a new base in Uzbekistan also to stage air assaults.
Don't forget we have a new base in Uzbekistan also to stage air assaults.
Quote:
Iran has significantly increased naval activity too. They are getting ready to blockade the Strait of Hormuz. A tremendous amount of shipping goes through there.
We also cannot forget how defiant Iran has been on the nuclear enrichment program of late .... nothing is unrelated in the fucked up web that is the Middle East.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
We also cannot forget how defiant Iran has been on the nuclear enrichment program of late .... nothing is unrelated in the fucked up web that is the Middle East.
We also cannot forget how defiant Iran has been on the nuclear enrichment program of late .... nothing is unrelated in the fucked up web that is the Middle East.
This is another reason why Iran pushed Hamas and Hezbollah to provoke Israel. It takes some of the light directly off of them.
Like the UN Security Council means anything anyway. Saddam taught them all how to ignore and play them for fools.
You can forget about the UN doing anything about Iran and nukes. China and Russia seem to want them with nukes.
China loves that the world's attention is focused on Iran and terrorism (much of which they supply arms). It keeps people from talking about their massive military buildup.
Posted by: MBFlyerfan
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
Please tell me that you are not insinuating that Bush's master plan all along was to place troops in a strategic position to head off any Iranian agression.
I know that there's such thing as foresight but this administration has not presented itself as having the capacity to be the masterfull chess player that your post suggests.
Please tell me that you are not insinuating that Bush's master plan all along was to place troops in a strategic position to head off any Iranian agression.
I know that there's such thing as foresight but this administration has not presented itself as having the capacity to be the masterfull chess player that your post suggests.
What I find amazing is that it didnt cross everyones mind.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Like the UN Security Council means anything anyway. Saddam taught them all how to ignore and play them for fools.
Like the UN Security Council means anything anyway. Saddam taught them all how to ignore and play them for fools.
Quote:
You can forget about the UN doing anything about Iran and nukes. China and Russia seem to want them with nukes.
Russia seems to have this misguided notion that it is still a world power. The country under Putin kind of makes me think of Bob Dole peddling Viagra. Big deal, it can wave its dingy around but nobody cares to share a bed with it.
Quote:
China loves that the world's attention is focused on Iran and terrorism (much of which they supply arms). It keeps people from talking about their massive military buildup.
Ah, China .... the real threat to US interests in the long run......
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by MBFlyerfan:
What I find amazing is that it didnt cross everyones mind.
What I find amazing is that it didnt cross everyones mind.
![[Huh?]](graemlins/huh.gif)
George Bush is Nero. Bill Clinton is Caligula.
We even have the ACLU as the Praetorian Guard throwing Christians to the lions.
![[Geek]](graemlins/geek.gif)
Definitely Rome.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 12:09 PM
From our favorite French sage:
"One can ask oneself whether there isn't a sort of desire to destroy Lebanon," French President Jacques Chirac said of Israeli attacks that have killed 66 people, almost all civilians. "I find, honestly, like most Europeans, that the reactions are completely disproportionate."
:rolleyes:
Oh, and just a friendly FYI, Syria is now officially rattling sabres, saying it has to "defend itself." Here we go .....
"Syria is in confrontation with Israel. It is watching the situation and is ready to defend itself against any eventuality," said Elias Murad, editor of the ruling Baath party newspaper Al-Baath.
"One can ask oneself whether there isn't a sort of desire to destroy Lebanon," French President Jacques Chirac said of Israeli attacks that have killed 66 people, almost all civilians. "I find, honestly, like most Europeans, that the reactions are completely disproportionate."
:rolleyes:
Oh, and just a friendly FYI, Syria is now officially rattling sabres, saying it has to "defend itself." Here we go .....
"Syria is in confrontation with Israel. It is watching the situation and is ready to defend itself against any eventuality," said Elias Murad, editor of the ruling Baath party newspaper Al-Baath.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 12:13 PM
Syria couldn't defend itself against a bunch of angry 3rd graders. I wonder if nutsack in Iran really want's to give it a go against Israel.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 12:23 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Syria couldn't defend itself against a bunch of angry 3rd graders. I wonder if nutsack in Iran really want's to give it a go against Israel.
Syria couldn't defend itself against a bunch of angry 3rd graders. I wonder if nutsack in Iran really want's to give it a go against Israel.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/syria/index.html
It seems the Syrians don't take care of the hardware they have and their pilots suck. They don't train much or very well.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 12:25 PM
I like that Israel isn't putting up with this, but Lebanon isn't the right target.
Syria is.
Hmmm....have I mentioned this?
Syria is.
Hmmm....have I mentioned this?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Desert_Rat:
I like that Israel isn't putting up with this, but Lebanon isn't the right target.
Syria is.
Hmmm....have I mentioned this?
I like that Israel isn't putting up with this, but Lebanon isn't the right target.
Syria is.
Hmmm....have I mentioned this?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
It seems the Syrians don't take care of the hardware they have and their pilots suck.
It seems the Syrians don't take care of the hardware they have and their pilots suck.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Huh, and I heard they made some major strides in technology:
[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]It seems the Syrians don't take care of the hardware they have and their pilots suck.
[b]It seems the Syrians don't take care of the hardware they have and their pilots suck.
[/b] 
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:01 PM
The Syrians aren't the target either. They are a stepping stone to the real problem, Iran.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[QBHuh, and I heard they made some major strides in technology[/QB]
[QBHuh, and I heard they made some major strides in technology[/QB]
They might as well have planes like that if they don't spend the money and take the time to train their fighter pilots for combat.
Hezbollah is said to be using recently produced Iranian RAAD 1 rockets.
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002582.html
They may have hit an Israeli ship.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:14 PM
Do they light them with a match?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:14 PM
A Syrian pilot was seen taking heavy fire this afternoon:
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
The Syrians aren't the target either. They are a stepping stone to the real problem, Iran.
The Syrians aren't the target either. They are a stepping stone to the real problem, Iran.
In any event I hope they focus on Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria, kill the vermin and get ready for Iran. Man there is some freedom adn democracy spreading to be done, too bad GDUB can't cheat his way to another term. We should get a poll going. US "defence" spending in 2007-08 900 billion?. good thing you guys have health care, domestic poverty and education aced.
Just finished watching "Why we fight" nice and liberal objective view on the whole "WE WANT TO BE LIKE THE ROMANS " theory.
and now ladies and Gentlemen, here is whenI hand over the Keyboard to Madman:
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Do they light them with a match?
Do they light them with a match?
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2877
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:19 PM
Israel cares nothing of spreading democracy. They just want to live.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
I can not for a second believe this happens to be about a couple of kidnapped soldiers, the G8 is on, Iran is in the spotlight ...hmmmm I smell conspiracy.
In any event I hope they focus on Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria, kill the vermin and get ready for Iran. Man there is some freedom adn democracy spreading to be done, too bad GDUB can't cheat his way to another term. We should get a poll going. US "defence" spending in 2007-08 900 billion?. good thing you guys have health care, domestic poverty and education aced.
Just finished watching "Why we fight" nice and liberal objective view on the whole "WE WANT TO BE LIKE THE ROMANS " theory.
and now ladies and Gentlemen, here is whenI hand over the Keyboard to Madman:[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]The Syrians aren't the target either. They are a stepping stone to the real problem, Iran.
[b]The Syrians aren't the target either. They are a stepping stone to the real problem, Iran.
In any event I hope they focus on Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria, kill the vermin and get ready for Iran. Man there is some freedom adn democracy spreading to be done, too bad GDUB can't cheat his way to another term. We should get a poll going. US "defence" spending in 2007-08 900 billion?. good thing you guys have health care, domestic poverty and education aced.
Just finished watching "Why we fight" nice and liberal objective view on the whole "WE WANT TO BE LIKE THE ROMANS " theory.
and now ladies and Gentlemen, here is whenI hand over the Keyboard to Madman:[/b]
I'm speechless Claus.
You're doing fine on your own.
Is this affecting your business Claus?
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
The rockets can still kill... and they are.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2877 [/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]Do they light them with a match?
[b]Do they light them with a match?
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2877 [/b]
Iran of course has some very large missiles. Does Israel have our Patriot technology?
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Does Israel have our Patriot technology?
Does Israel have our Patriot technology?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
I am very aware of that. It just amuses me to see how effective their crude tactics are. One thing about those, very easy to hide.
Iran of course has some very large missiles. Does Israel have our Patriot technology?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]The rockets can still kill... and they are.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2877 [/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]Do they light them with a match?
[b]Do they light them with a match?
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2877 [/b]
Iran of course has some very large missiles. Does Israel have our Patriot technology?[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
I am very aware of that. It just amuses me to see how effective their crude tactics are. One thing about those, very easy to hide.
Iran of course has some very large missiles. Does Israel have our Patriot technology?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]The rockets can still kill... and they are.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2877 [/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]Do they light them with a match?
[b]Do they light them with a match?
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2877 [/b]
Iran of course has some very large missiles. Does Israel have our Patriot technology?[/b]
Posted by: PDXterra
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
A Syrian pilot was seen taking heavy fire this afternoon:
A Syrian pilot was seen taking heavy fire this afternoon:
Now that is funny!
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I'm speechless Claus.
You're doing fine on your own.
Is this affecting your business Claus?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]I can not for a second believe this happens to be about a couple of kidnapped soldiers, the G8 is on, Iran is in the spotlight ...hmmmm I smell conspiracy.
In any event I hope they focus on Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria, kill the vermin and get ready for Iran. Man there is some freedom adn democracy spreading to be done, too bad GDUB can't cheat his way to another term. We should get a poll going. US "defence" spending in 2007-08 900 billion?. good thing you guys have health care, domestic poverty and education aced.
Just finished watching "Why we fight" nice and liberal objective view on the whole "WE WANT TO BE LIKE THE ROMANS " theory.
and now ladies and Gentlemen, here is whenI hand over the Keyboard to Madman:[/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]The Syrians aren't the target either. They are a stepping stone to the real problem, Iran.
[b]The Syrians aren't the target either. They are a stepping stone to the real problem, Iran.
In any event I hope they focus on Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria, kill the vermin and get ready for Iran. Man there is some freedom adn democracy spreading to be done, too bad GDUB can't cheat his way to another term. We should get a poll going. US "defence" spending in 2007-08 900 billion?. good thing you guys have health care, domestic poverty and education aced.
Just finished watching "Why we fight" nice and liberal objective view on the whole "WE WANT TO BE LIKE THE ROMANS " theory.
and now ladies and Gentlemen, here is whenI hand over the Keyboard to Madman:[/b]
I'm speechless Claus.
You're doing fine on your own.
Is this affecting your business Claus?[/b]
I am actually happy these days. All this shit in the middle east is putting me into retirement early. I am part of a project to build a 25 million Gallon Ethanol plant on my In-laws feedlot, we just got word funding should be secured (50 mill) .
So $100 a barrel FUCK YEAH
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
I'm speechless Claus.
You're doing fine on your own.
Is this affecting your business Claus?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]I can not for a second believe this happens to be about a couple of kidnapped soldiers, the G8 is on, Iran is in the spotlight ...hmmmm I smell conspiracy.
In any event I hope they focus on Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria, kill the vermin and get ready for Iran. Man there is some freedom adn democracy spreading to be done, too bad GDUB can't cheat his way to another term. We should get a poll going. US "defence" spending in 2007-08 900 billion?. good thing you guys have health care, domestic poverty and education aced.
Just finished watching "Why we fight" nice and liberal objective view on the whole "WE WANT TO BE LIKE THE ROMANS " theory.
and now ladies and Gentlemen, here is whenI hand over the Keyboard to Madman:[/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]
[b]
quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
The Syrians aren't the target either. They are a stepping stone to the real problem, Iran.
In any event I hope they focus on Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria, kill the vermin and get ready for Iran. Man there is some freedom adn democracy spreading to be done, too bad GDUB can't cheat his way to another term. We should get a poll going. US "defence" spending in 2007-08 900 billion?. good thing you guys have health care, domestic poverty and education aced.
Just finished watching "Why we fight" nice and liberal objective view on the whole "WE WANT TO BE LIKE THE ROMANS " theory.
and now ladies and Gentlemen, here is whenI hand over the Keyboard to Madman:[/b]
I'm speechless Claus.
You're doing fine on your own.
Is this affecting your business Claus?[/b]
I am actually happy these days. All this shit in the middle east is putting me into retirement early. I am part of a project to build a 25 million Gallon Ethanol plant on my In-laws feedlot, we just got word funding should be secured (50 mill) .
So $100 a barrel FUCK YEAH
You....you.....CAPITALIST!
Posted by: Mobycat
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by PDXterra:
Now that is funny![/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]A Syrian pilot was seen taking heavy fire this afternoon:
[b]A Syrian pilot was seen taking heavy fire this afternoon:
Now that is funny![/b]SHAME!
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 06:09 PM
Gimme' page 10!! C'mon!!
Edit to add- Booyah.
Edit to add- Booyah.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 07:11 PM
You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
I am actually happy these days. All this shit in the middle east is putting me into retirement early. I am part of a project to build a 25 million Gallon Ethanol plant on my In-laws feedlot, we just got word funding should be secured (50 mill) .
So $100 a barrel FUCK YEAH[/QB]
I am actually happy these days. All this shit in the middle east is putting me into retirement early. I am part of a project to build a 25 million Gallon Ethanol plant on my In-laws feedlot, we just got word funding should be secured (50 mill) .
So $100 a barrel FUCK YEAH[/QB]
1. Canada is not post-apocalyptic Australia.
2. Mel Gibson isn't going to fight a giant retard, again.
3. Clause is not Tina Turner.
Posted by: RedX
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 08:21 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by mitch1351:
........
3. Clause is not Tina Turner.
........
3. Clause is not Tina Turner.
![[Smoking]](graemlins/smokin.gif)
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by mitch1351:
Three reasons it won't work:
1. Canada is not post-apocalyptic Australia.
2. Mel Gibson isn't going to fight a giant retard, again.
3. Clause is not Tina Turner.[/QB]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
I am actually happy these days. All this shit in the middle east is putting me into retirement early. I am part of a project to build a 25 million Gallon Ethanol plant on my In-laws feedlot, we just got word funding should be secured (50 mill) .
So $100 a barrel FUCK YEAH
I am actually happy these days. All this shit in the middle east is putting me into retirement early. I am part of a project to build a 25 million Gallon Ethanol plant on my In-laws feedlot, we just got word funding should be secured (50 mill) .
So $100 a barrel FUCK YEAH
1. Canada is not post-apocalyptic Australia.
2. Mel Gibson isn't going to fight a giant retard, again.
3. Clause is not Tina Turner.[/QB]
Check your rating Noob..a solid 3 on 2 votes
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 14/07/06 11:30 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Don't know where coachroach valley is but it sure must be boring shooting cans all day.
Check your rating Noob..a solid 3 on 2 votes [/QB]
Quote:
Originally posted by mitch1351:
[b]Three reasons it won't work:
1. Canada is not post-apocalyptic Australia.
2. Mel Gibson isn't going to fight a giant retard, again.
3. Clause is not Tina Turner.[/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
I am actually happy these days. All this shit in the middle east is putting me into retirement early. I am part of a project to build a 25 million Gallon Ethanol plant on my In-laws feedlot, we just got word funding should be secured (50 mill) .
So $100 a barrel FUCK YEAH
I am actually happy these days. All this shit in the middle east is putting me into retirement early. I am part of a project to build a 25 million Gallon Ethanol plant on my In-laws feedlot, we just got word funding should be secured (50 mill) .
So $100 a barrel FUCK YEAH
1. Canada is not post-apocalyptic Australia.
2. Mel Gibson isn't going to fight a giant retard, again.
3. Clause is not Tina Turner.[/b]
Check your rating Noob..a solid 3 on 2 votes
[/QB]
Posted by: Rockaholic
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 15/07/06 12:31 AM
I'm a little late into this topic...
Before anyone screams about the supreme court impeding the war on Terror, let's keep in mind this is the same supreme court that Voted Bush into office (by preventing a recount of ballots in 2000) - they can't be too liberal, now can they. (I don;t want to rehash the election BWS, but you can;t have it both ways, like those who claim that Illegal Immigrants are both Lazy and taking all of America's jobs.... which is it?
I wonder, do you feel compassion and forgiveness towards Osama Bin Laden? Should we turn the other cheek, and forgive and forget?
Or should we show that a$$clown we aren't going to take it and send a message to the rest of the world's terrorists - we'll bring it to you 100 times harder than you bring it to us.
Unfortunately, our President forgot who is responsible for 9/11 and decided to bring it to Saddam because Bin Laden brought it to us.
That's like me punching you because Madman punched me.
You think Bin Laden is any more scared of the US now than he was on 9/10/01? I wouldn't be. Definately not if I know I can punch you in the face and your response would be a feable swat in my direction and a punch in the face to someone else.
The idea of using logic, reason, and fair play instead of force to settle disputes and problems is a utopic and therefore unattainable ideal. There are people out there who don't feel the rules apply to them and ignore decency in order to get what they want.
This isn't little league baseball where everyone gets to play and the umpires are doing there best to make everything fair for everyone on the field. It's the real world - I suggest you join it and get your head out of your fantsay world ass...
The problem is that you are thinking of the Children affected by Isreals strikes at Hezbollah, but have you considered the Isreali children put into harms way by the actions of Hezbollah?
Should Isreal play by a different set of rules than the ones that Hezbollah has decided to use and put into play?
The sentiment is an idealogy - and while I agree with the sentiment, it's just not the world we live in.
Before anyone screams about the supreme court impeding the war on Terror, let's keep in mind this is the same supreme court that Voted Bush into office (by preventing a recount of ballots in 2000) - they can't be too liberal, now can they. (I don;t want to rehash the election BWS, but you can;t have it both ways, like those who claim that Illegal Immigrants are both Lazy and taking all of America's jobs.... which is it?
Quote:
Originally posted by Branden Burden:
What did Jesus say - turn the other cheek - I guess there is just a bunch of atheists here; or Jews (no offense towards the Jews, you all just don't believe in JC)... IMHO it is time to show some compassion and willingness to forgive. Don't lay down your arms, perhaps think for just one moment next time before starting a war. Cool down, take a deep breath….
Just don't rush to "kill 'em all" is all I am asking. But hey, for people like NY, that can't see through the shroud of hatred and fear, I guess that would be asking too much. For people on the right compassion is something that was lost a long time ago.
What did Jesus say - turn the other cheek - I guess there is just a bunch of atheists here; or Jews (no offense towards the Jews, you all just don't believe in JC)... IMHO it is time to show some compassion and willingness to forgive. Don't lay down your arms, perhaps think for just one moment next time before starting a war. Cool down, take a deep breath….
Just don't rush to "kill 'em all" is all I am asking. But hey, for people like NY, that can't see through the shroud of hatred and fear, I guess that would be asking too much. For people on the right compassion is something that was lost a long time ago.
Or should we show that a$$clown we aren't going to take it and send a message to the rest of the world's terrorists - we'll bring it to you 100 times harder than you bring it to us.
Unfortunately, our President forgot who is responsible for 9/11 and decided to bring it to Saddam because Bin Laden brought it to us.
That's like me punching you because Madman punched me.
You think Bin Laden is any more scared of the US now than he was on 9/10/01? I wouldn't be. Definately not if I know I can punch you in the face and your response would be a feable swat in my direction and a punch in the face to someone else.
The idea of using logic, reason, and fair play instead of force to settle disputes and problems is a utopic and therefore unattainable ideal. There are people out there who don't feel the rules apply to them and ignore decency in order to get what they want.
This isn't little league baseball where everyone gets to play and the umpires are doing there best to make everything fair for everyone on the field. It's the real world - I suggest you join it and get your head out of your fantsay world ass...
Quote:
posted by RedX:I concur with porsche's sentiments. I would think that Israel would be more precisely striking those that are causing the problems. I understand that some of what they are doing is intended to negate Hezbollah's capability to operate, but there does seem to be a substantial amount of collateral damage....or at least damage that not only disrupts Hezbollah's activities, but also affects Lebanon's (and Gaza's) citizenry....citizenry, who, in spite of the image created by the radicals, in large part really only wants the opportunity to exist...I am talking about anyone who is caught in the middle....children, those who have tried to live their lives as best they can.
Should Isreal play by a different set of rules than the ones that Hezbollah has decided to use and put into play?
The sentiment is an idealogy - and while I agree with the sentiment, it's just not the world we live in.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 06:35 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by mitch1351:
You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
Posted by: mineralblue
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 06:55 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by mitch1351:
[b]You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
[b]You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 09:22 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by mitch1351:
You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
Just out of curiosity, what size tinfoil hat do you wear, Mitch?
Posted by: Origami Gangsta
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by mitch1351:
You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
OUTER HEAVEN! YEEEAAAHHH!!!
Oh yeah! 
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 09:53 AM
GO ISRAEL!
Bomb those shitty shiite mother f*ers
Bomb those shitty shiite mother f*ers
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 12:01 PM
Go PLO!
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 12:11 PM
Go ELO!
Posted by: PDXterra
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 12:46 PM
Go J-E-L-L-O!
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 01:28 PM
I hope Isreal gets their ass kicked. Hell they stole the land anyway
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 01:32 PM
Slow afternoon?
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 01:52 PM
Little bit.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 01:56 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
I hope Isreal gets their ass kicked. Hell they stole the land anyway
I hope Isreal gets their ass kicked. Hell they stole the land anyway
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
I almost bought it. Your trolling style is weak today. [/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
[b]I hope Isreal gets their ass kicked. Hell they stole the land anyway
[b]I hope Isreal gets their ass kicked. Hell they stole the land anyway
[/b]
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 02:02 PM
What about all the good things Hitler did?
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 17/07/06 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Really. At least you could have conjured up some lame ass Hitler quote. [/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]I almost bought it. Your trolling style is weak today. [/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
[b]I hope Isreal gets their ass kicked. Hell they stole the land anyway
[b]I hope Isreal gets their ass kicked. Hell they stole the land anyway
[/b] [/b] I agree Claus if not for Hitler our society would not have progressed as far as it has in the past 60 odd years. He did build a strong nation.
Posted by: Mobycat
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 18/07/06 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
What about all the good things Hitler did?
What about all the good things Hitler did?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 18/07/06 12:23 PM
Clearly not this though:
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 18/07/06 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
I'm glad that someone has finally shown us the light. :rolleyes: And I was beginning to think that centuries of mutual hatred and ethno-religious conflict had something to do with it. Damn, I hate it when I'm so far out in left field.
Just out of curiosity, what size tinfoil hat do you wear, Mitch?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by mitch1351:
[b]You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
[b]You are all wrong. It's not about Isreal and Lebanon and Syria and Iran. It's about the Majestic 12 and the Illuminati. It's about money and power. Its a pissing contest between those with the money and the power. Ask yourself this, how can a country like Isreal, with nothing really going for it, support such military might? The answer is... funding. But who and why are good questions as well.
Just out of curiosity, what size tinfoil hat do you wear, Mitch?[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 18/07/06 07:52 PM
Isreal is concidering sending in ground troops... just as I planned. I mean, whatever could they be up to?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 18/07/06 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by mitch1351:
Isreal is concidering sending in ground troops... just as I planned. I mean, whatever could they be up to?
Isreal is concidering sending in ground troops... just as I planned. I mean, whatever could they be up to?
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 18/07/06 09:03 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Best wishes to both sides... wait while I get my popcorn...
Best wishes to both sides... wait while I get my popcorn...
The other side is terrorists. Are you so completely ignorant or completely insane that you offer best wishes to terrorists.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 18/07/06 11:23 PM
"Do you know him?. No but he looks like a real asshole"
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 18/07/06 11:32 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Best wishes to both sides?
The other side is terrorists. Are you so completely ignorant or completely insane that you offer best wishes to terrorists.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
[b]Best wishes to both sides... wait while I get my popcorn...
[b]Best wishes to both sides... wait while I get my popcorn...
The other side is terrorists. Are you so completely ignorant or completely insane that you offer best wishes to terrorists.[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 12:40 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by WolfmanX:
Maybe both..
[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]Best wishes to both sides?
The other side is terrorists. Are you so completely ignorant or completely insane that you offer best wishes to terrorists.[/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
[b]Best wishes to both sides... wait while I get my popcorn...
[b]Best wishes to both sides... wait while I get my popcorn...
The other side is terrorists. Are you so completely ignorant or completely insane that you offer best wishes to terrorists.[/b]
[/b]Lots of emotions flow around this topic
There are some terrorists involved, but they are the vast minority, most of the dead are neither the good or the bad guy. Question is who do you think is who, and how do you know?
![[Argue]](graemlins/argue.gif)
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 06:07 AM
Easy. One side wants to kill everyone in a country, while the country in question is defending itself. I have little doubt that Israel will invade and re-establish the buffer region they had, before Clinton convinced them to give it back to Lebanon as a good faith gesture. That worked well. :rolleyes:
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 08:05 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Maybe both..
[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by WolfmanX:
[b]Best wishes to both sides?
The other side is terrorists. Are you so completely ignorant or completely insane that you offer best wishes to terrorists.[/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]
[b]
quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Best wishes to both sides... wait while I get my popcorn...
The other side is terrorists. Are you so completely ignorant or completely insane that you offer best wishes to terrorists.[/b]
[/b]Lots of emotions flow around this topic
There are some terrorists involved, but they are the vast minority, most of the dead are neither the good or the bad guy. Question is who do you think is who, and how do you know?
Well the ones that fire rockets at you, kidnap soldiers, and blow up busses full of children are pretty easily classified as terrorists. The rest are just casualties of war.
If we had the "kick ass and ask questions later" attitude that Israel has, our soldiers would have been home long ago.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 08:13 AM
Oh well, as I said, most are simply misguided. If that's a reason to bomb someone's ass then I should kill quite a few of the people around me. Now the leaders - I would have no qualms about laser sighting and sending a big one.
Perhaps I should have said, best of luck to the 'casualties of war'.. But it may be a bit late for them.
Perhaps I should have said, best of luck to the 'casualties of war'.. But it may be a bit late for them.
Posted by: Weasel
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 09:43 AM
Im pissed that the moderate movement in the Middle East is now officially dead.
Those young people within Iran and Lebanon who only a few years ago were so vibrant and energized are now irrelevent because the orgy of violence.
I rememeber a few years ago HUGE student protests in Iran for democracy. Lebanon was a budding democracy, now they look desperatly at the only people responding to the attacks, the terrorist group Hezbolah.
Those young people within Iran and Lebanon who only a few years ago were so vibrant and energized are now irrelevent because the orgy of violence.
I rememeber a few years ago HUGE student protests in Iran for democracy. Lebanon was a budding democracy, now they look desperatly at the only people responding to the attacks, the terrorist group Hezbolah.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Weasel:
Im pissed that the moderate movement in the Middle East is now officially dead.
Those young people within Iran and Lebanon who only a few years ago were so vibrant and energized are now irrelevent because the orgy of violence.
Im pissed that the moderate movement in the Middle East is now officially dead.
Those young people within Iran and Lebanon who only a few years ago were so vibrant and energized are now irrelevent because the orgy of violence.
The Islamo-fascist rulers of Iran squashed the protests, arrested thousands, and outlawed further protests.
That doesn't mean the movement is dead or that many people don't want the mullahs out of control.
Quote:
Lebanon was a budding democracy, now they look desperatly at the only people responding to the attacks, the terrorist group Hezbolah.
What the hell are you talking about?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 09:58 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Weasel:
Im pissed that the moderate movement in the Middle East is now officially dead.
Those young people within Iran and Lebanon who only a few years ago were so vibrant and energized are now irrelevent because the orgy of violence.
I rememeber a few years ago HUGE student protests in Iran for democracy. Lebanon was a budding democracy, now they look desperatly at the only people responding to the attacks, the terrorist group Hezbolah.
Im pissed that the moderate movement in the Middle East is now officially dead.
Those young people within Iran and Lebanon who only a few years ago were so vibrant and energized are now irrelevent because the orgy of violence.
I rememeber a few years ago HUGE student protests in Iran for democracy. Lebanon was a budding democracy, now they look desperatly at the only people responding to the attacks, the terrorist group Hezbolah.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
What makes you think that the pro-democracy movement in Iran is dead?
The Islamo-facist rulers of Iran squashed the protests, arrested thousands, and outlawed further protests.
That doesn't mean the movement is dead or that many people don't want the mullahs out of control.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Weasel:
[b]Im pissed that the moderate movement in the Middle East is now officially dead.
Those young people within Iran and Lebanon who only a few years ago were so vibrant and energized are now irrelevent because the orgy of violence.
[b]Im pissed that the moderate movement in the Middle East is now officially dead.
Those young people within Iran and Lebanon who only a few years ago were so vibrant and energized are now irrelevent because the orgy of violence.
The Islamo-facist rulers of Iran squashed the protests, arrested thousands, and outlawed further protests.
That doesn't mean the movement is dead or that many people don't want the mullahs out of control.[/b]
I just cannot see it coming from within in the current Mid East climate.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Well, I agree that the sentiment for democracy still exists, but the official movement is certainly taken many leaps backward in the past two-plus years. IMO, it's going to take outside force to remove the leadership structure. I just cannot see it coming from within in the current Mid East climate.
Well, I agree that the sentiment for democracy still exists, but the official movement is certainly taken many leaps backward in the past two-plus years. IMO, it's going to take outside force to remove the leadership structure.
I just cannot see it coming from within in the current Mid East climate.There should most definitely be help from the outside but when it comes down to it, the Iranian people are going to have to do it themselves. That means some will die because the mullahs will only be removed by force.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 10:29 AM
That is of course assuming that we don't take them out ourselves first.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 10:29 AM
Quote:
Lebanon was a budding democracy, now they look desperatly at the only people responding to the attacks, the terrorist group Hezbolah.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 10:39 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Stupidest statement of the entire thread. :rolleyes:
Quote:
Lebanon was a budding democracy, now they look desperatly at the only people responding to the attacks, the terrorist group Hezbolah.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 10:54 AM
Hezbollah support in America.....
Now for some moonbat lunacy. Last week a bunch of Hezbollah supporters and anti-semites held a rally in San Francisco in support of Hezbollah. They did it in front of the Israeli Consulate. (Not unusual for San Fran considering there are pro-terrorist rallies there all the time).
Here is a link to a video of the pro-Hezbollah and pro-Hamas chanting...
http://zombietime.com/israeli_consulate_protest_july_13_2006/11.mov
(Quicktime format)
Black, red, brown, white!
We support Hezbollah's fight!
We support Hezbollah's fight!
We support Hezbollah's fight!
We support Hezbollah's fight!
Black, red, green, blue!
Black, red, green, blue!
Black, red, green, blue!
Black, red, green, blue!
We support Hamas too!
We support Hamas too!
We support Hamas too!
We support Hamas too!
Viva viva Palestina!
Some photos of the insanity.....
This Hezbollah creep is giving the "money grubbing Jew" sign to pro-Israel supporters who were across the street.
Of course the socialist/communist group International ANSWER is at all of these types of rallies.
More photos here....
http://zombietime.com/israeli_consulate_protest_july_13_2006/
Now for some moonbat lunacy. Last week a bunch of Hezbollah supporters and anti-semites held a rally in San Francisco in support of Hezbollah. They did it in front of the Israeli Consulate. (Not unusual for San Fran considering there are pro-terrorist rallies there all the time).
Here is a link to a video of the pro-Hezbollah and pro-Hamas chanting...
http://zombietime.com/israeli_consulate_protest_july_13_2006/11.mov
(Quicktime format)
Black, red, brown, white!
We support Hezbollah's fight!
We support Hezbollah's fight!
We support Hezbollah's fight!
We support Hezbollah's fight!
Black, red, green, blue!
Black, red, green, blue!
Black, red, green, blue!
Black, red, green, blue!
We support Hamas too!
We support Hamas too!
We support Hamas too!
We support Hamas too!
Viva viva Palestina!
Some photos of the insanity.....
This Hezbollah creep is giving the "money grubbing Jew" sign to pro-Israel supporters who were across the street.
Of course the socialist/communist group International ANSWER is at all of these types of rallies.
More photos here....
http://zombietime.com/israeli_consulate_protest_july_13_2006/
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 10:57 AM
"terrorist" is the new "communist". It can be used by absolutely any government to justify absolutely any course of action. Droping bombs on civilians is an act of terror, so is straping a bomb to your body or highjacking a jet. Arguments that hinge on "the other side" being terrorists are ill informed and ill advised. Ill informed because the West has collectively ignored the palestinians since WWII. They are pissed, poor and dying. These conditions foster radicalism. Ill advised because it is dismissive. It is used to force conclusions on the public, not to engage in a public debate. The current white house has a big mouth and big balls that's for sure. Not a bad thing especially in these troubled times. But it is far from wordly and cultured. Of course we can't expect too much from a recovered alcoholic like George Bush whose family notoriouly made millions selling weapons to the nazis (that's grandpa Bush in case you didn't know). The world will not calm down until the world's only superpower ellects a respectable government. Until then assholes in the middle east (both sides) will continue to take advantage of the situation and blow shit up.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 10:59 AM
^^^^ Fan-fucking-tabulous. :rolleyes: Just more evidence of why us Oregonians should start erecting a wall to keep those San Fran idiots from retiring up here.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by fabien:
"terrorist" is the new "communist". It can be used by absolutely any government to justify absolutely any course of action. Droping bombs on civilians is an act of terror, so is straping a bomb to your body or highjacking a jet. Arguments that hinge on "the other side" being terrorists are ill informed and ill advised. Ill informed because the West has collectively ignored the palestinians since WWII. They are pissed, poor and dying. These conditions foster radicalism. Ill advised because it is dismissive. It is used to force conclusions on the public, not to engage in a public debate. The current white house has a big mouth and big balls that's for sure. Not a bad thing especially in these troubled times. But it is far from wordly and cultured. Of course we can't expect too much from a recovered alcoholic like George Bush whose family notoriouly made millions selling weapons to the nazis (that's grandpa Bush in case you didn't know). The world will not calm down until the world's only superpower ellects a respectable government. Until then assholes in the middle east (both sides) will continue to take advantage of the situation and blow shit up.
"terrorist" is the new "communist". It can be used by absolutely any government to justify absolutely any course of action. Droping bombs on civilians is an act of terror, so is straping a bomb to your body or highjacking a jet. Arguments that hinge on "the other side" being terrorists are ill informed and ill advised. Ill informed because the West has collectively ignored the palestinians since WWII. They are pissed, poor and dying. These conditions foster radicalism. Ill advised because it is dismissive. It is used to force conclusions on the public, not to engage in a public debate. The current white house has a big mouth and big balls that's for sure. Not a bad thing especially in these troubled times. But it is far from wordly and cultured. Of course we can't expect too much from a recovered alcoholic like George Bush whose family notoriouly made millions selling weapons to the nazis (that's grandpa Bush in case you didn't know). The world will not calm down until the world's only superpower ellects a respectable government. Until then assholes in the middle east (both sides) will continue to take advantage of the situation and blow shit up.
I had no idea it was such a peaceful place prior to January 2001.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:11 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
So your moonbat theory is basically... George Bush is responsible for all the problems in the Middle East.
I had no idea it was such a peaceful place prior to January 2001.
[/QB]
So your moonbat theory is basically... George Bush is responsible for all the problems in the Middle East.
I had no idea it was such a peaceful place prior to January 2001.
[/QB]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by fabien:
"terrorist" is the new "communist".
"terrorist" is the new "communist".
Quote:
The current white house has a big mouth and big balls that's for sure.... But it is far from wordly and cultured.
Unlike you and your other support group buddies, right?
Quote:
Of course we can't expect too much from a recovered alcoholic like George Bush whose family notoriouly made millions selling weapons to the nazis (that's grandpa Bush in case you didn't know).
Nice. You forgot the family ties to the Saudis. The Bush family is conspiring to rule the world through the gas pump, folks. You heard it here first!!
Quote:
The world will not calm down until the world's only superpower ellects a respectable government.
![[Crybaby]](graemlins/crybaby.gif)
"I voted for Gore and Kerry and my pussy still hurts."
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by fabien:
Not really worth quoting
Not really worth quoting
I don't care how pissed off and miss treated you think you are, nothing justifies that. This has nothing to do with Iraq and the Bush administration. The only thing the Isrealis might be doing is taking advantage of the fact that they do have the security of U.S. backing when they make no mistake about their ability to react quickly and decisively to agression from their neighbors.
That is the big difference between us and Israel. They are not just provoked and treatened they are attacked by those in immediate proximity to them. To say that they are not allowed to use force to defend themselves and their way of life is insane. They are in a war zone every day. Each and every day they know that they wake up to the fact that ALL of their neighbors hate them and would love nothing more than to wipe them off the face of the earth.
Can the same be said for the Jews? Do you ever hear them say that they HATE Islam? Do you ever hear them say that they want to dispose of the muslums? Never. They just want their little slize of the planet and be left alone to eat their unleavened bread and wish each other shalom. Why is that so hard for them?
Because eavery country around them wants to see them dead. They spend each and every day of their existance defending themselves from these people. What is so hard to understand about that?
P.S. - A.N.S.W.E.R. the IAC, UFPJ, and the WWP should be declared terrorist organizations and bannished from peacefull society.
Why did Ramsey Clark have to be born?
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:20 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Zizou:
I am happy to engage in a conversation with you but only after you have taken the time to actually read what I wrote. This is obviously not the case as of yet. Debating is so much more engaging when both sides actually listen to one another. Let's try this again.
I am happy to engage in a conversation with you but only after you have taken the time to actually read what I wrote. This is obviously not the case as of yet. Debating is so much more engaging when both sides actually listen to one another. Let's try this again.
A couple of minutes ago you called yourself "fabien". Now you are "Zizou". Should we expect regular name changes?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I read what you wrote. That's why I used the term "moonbat".
A couple of minutes ago you called yourself "fabien". Now you are "Zizou". Should we expect regular name changes?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Zizou:
[b]I am happy to engage in a conversation with you but only after you have taken the time to actually read what I wrote. This is obviously not the case as of yet. Debating is so much more engaging when both sides actually listen to one another. Let's try this again.
[b]I am happy to engage in a conversation with you but only after you have taken the time to actually read what I wrote. This is obviously not the case as of yet. Debating is so much more engaging when both sides actually listen to one another. Let's try this again.
A couple of minutes ago you called yourself "fabien". Now you are "Zizou". Should we expect regular name changes?[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
Why did Ramsey Clark have to be born?
Why did Ramsey Clark have to be born?
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Madman, he has almost as many names as posts now.
Madman, he has almost as many names as posts now.
Maybe next he'll change it to "Yasser".
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:30 AM
I do find it funny that Fabian changed his name here to Zizou which is the nickname of the now the discraced French soccer player Zinedine Zidane who will forever be remembered for his stupid move at the end of the World Cup instead of his brilliant career.
Nice hero.
It was probably the most agressive action from a Frog on a field of battle since Napoleon though.
Nice hero.
It was probably the most agressive action from a Frog on a field of battle since Napoleon though.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
[QUOTE]Little house in the prairies, cry me a fucking river
[QUOTE]Little house in the prairies, cry me a fucking river
You are quite right about Israel fundamentally wanting peace and being under constant attack. They have a right to exist and a right to defend themselves. Granted. They don't have a right to over-react and kill innocent civilians. I get really annoyed when the word "terrorist" is used to commit attrocities by ANYONE. None of us should loose our moral compass about right and wrong. I also fundamentally believe that you cannot lead without respect and that NO-ONE on god's green earth except a few american right-wind radicals respect the current government. This may upset you but is nonetheless true. A change in government in the US is needed to calm down a situation which has always been hostile and complex in the middle east.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:37 AM
Are you guys always this slow? So let me explain (I don't want you to blow a fuse by over thinking): I purposely changed my name to Zizou to stress what "over reacting" does. Zidane overacting after being harrassed...Israel over reacting...get it? Shit...Is this amateur night?
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:37 AM
Tell me: You say a change in the U.S. administration makes a difference. Tell me how peave went under every Democratic Administration since Kennedy? Where things peachy then? What part of fundemental hate confuses you? the Islamic controlled theocracies have no desire to live in peace with Israel as their neighbor and they have said so.
So what will appease them short of the elimination of the Israeli state?
So what will appease them short of the elimination of the Israeli state?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Zizou:
Are you guys always this slow? So let me explain (I don't want you to blow a fuse by over thinking): I purposely changed my name to Zizou to stress what "over reacting" does. Zidane overacting after being harrassed...Israel over reacting...get it? Shit...Is this amateur night?
Are you guys always this slow? So let me explain (I don't want you to blow a fuse by over thinking): I purposely changed my name to Zizou to stress what "over reacting" does. Zidane overacting after being harrassed...Israel over reacting...get it? Shit...Is this amateur night?
Clearly, the world would respect us so much more if this guy were in power:
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 11:55 AM
More American Hezbollah support........
Yesterday there was a rally here in NYC in support of the terrorists of Hezbollah. Of course it was held in front of the Israeli consulate.
It was organized by the Islamic Thinkers Society.
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php
Below are some photos of said "Islamic thinking"...
In the above photo you will notice on the right a picture of the White House with an Islamic flag flying over it. The caption of course reads "Islam will dominate".
Here is some more Islamic thinking....
It would seem they are thinking about using nuclear weapons.
They don't think too much of the freedoms of the West...
The web site also reveals what they are thinking...
They will NEVER accept the existence of Israel.
The Islamic Thinkers Society is telling the world what Islam is thinking.
I forgot to mention.... the media idiots at Reuters call these people "supporters of Lebanon". They completely ignore the terrorist aspect of their signs and rhetoric.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060718/ids_photos_ts/r2054771025.jpg
Yesterday there was a rally here in NYC in support of the terrorists of Hezbollah. Of course it was held in front of the Israeli consulate.
It was organized by the Islamic Thinkers Society.
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php
Below are some photos of said "Islamic thinking"...
In the above photo you will notice on the right a picture of the White House with an Islamic flag flying over it. The caption of course reads "Islam will dominate".
Here is some more Islamic thinking....
It would seem they are thinking about using nuclear weapons.
They don't think too much of the freedoms of the West...
The web site also reveals what they are thinking...
They will NEVER accept the existence of Israel.
The Islamic Thinkers Society is telling the world what Islam is thinking.
I forgot to mention.... the media idiots at Reuters call these people "supporters of Lebanon". They completely ignore the terrorist aspect of their signs and rhetoric.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060718/ids_photos_ts/r2054771025.jpg
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 12:28 PM
That pretty much sums it up right there.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
They don't think too much of the freedoms of the West...
They don't think too much of the freedoms of the West...
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Zizou:
Are you guys always this slow? So let me explain (I don't want you to blow a fuse by over thinking): I purposely changed my name to Zizou to stress what "over reacting" does. Zidane overacting after being harrassed...Israel over reacting...get it? Shit...Is this amateur night?
Are you guys always this slow? So let me explain (I don't want you to blow a fuse by over thinking): I purposely changed my name to Zizou to stress what "over reacting" does. Zidane overacting after being harrassed...Israel over reacting...get it? Shit...Is this amateur night?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
More American Hezbollah support........
Yesterday there was a rally here in NYC in support of the terrorists of Hezbollah. Of course it was held in front of the Israeli consulate.
It was organized by the Islamic Thinkers Society.
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php
Below are some photos of said "Islamic thinking"...
In the above photo you will notice on the right a picture of the White House with an Islamic flag flying over it. The caption of course reads "Islam will dominate".
Here is some more Islamic thinking....
It would seem they are thinking about using nuclear weapons.
They don't think too much of the freedoms of the West...
The web site also reveals what they are thinking...
They will NEVER accept the existence of Israel.
The Islamic Thinkers Society is telling the world what Islam is thinking.
I forgot to mention.... the media idiots at Reuters call these people "supporters of Lebanon". They completely ignore the terrorist aspect of their signs and rhetoric.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060718/ids_photos_ts/r2054771025.jpg
More American Hezbollah support........
Yesterday there was a rally here in NYC in support of the terrorists of Hezbollah. Of course it was held in front of the Israeli consulate.
It was organized by the Islamic Thinkers Society.
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php
Below are some photos of said "Islamic thinking"...
In the above photo you will notice on the right a picture of the White House with an Islamic flag flying over it. The caption of course reads "Islam will dominate".
Here is some more Islamic thinking....
It would seem they are thinking about using nuclear weapons.
They don't think too much of the freedoms of the West...
The web site also reveals what they are thinking...
They will NEVER accept the existence of Israel.
The Islamic Thinkers Society is telling the world what Islam is thinking.
I forgot to mention.... the media idiots at Reuters call these people "supporters of Lebanon". They completely ignore the terrorist aspect of their signs and rhetoric.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060718/ids_photos_ts/r2054771025.jpg
I'd love to see these fucknuts try this in middle America. They'd all be lynched....treatment they deserve. Only in New York or any California city would they get away with this crap.
Lobbing missiles into civilian populations without provocation = terrorism
Sneaking across a border to engage and kidnap = terrorism
Strapping bombs to yourself, blowing up innocents so you can get your virgins (I'm floored these idiots actually beleive this shit!) = terrorism.
Making sweeping statements promising to attack US and Israeli interests based solely on your religious fanaticisim = terrorism.
Does anyone else find it ironic that they publicize to western news agencies (refer to CNN.com's reports on this from earlier this morning where they interviewed hezbolla fanatics in Beirut) how it's such a travesty that Israel drops bombs and inadvertently kills or injures women and children when that exact practice has been the grubby little muslim tactic since day one?
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 01:05 PM
Only muslims count DR! Jews aren't really humans.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
More American Hezbollah support........
Yesterday there was a rally here in NYC in support of the terrorists of Hezbollah. Of course it was held in front of the Israeli consulate.
It was organized by the Islamic Thinkers Society.
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php
Below are some photos of said "Islamic thinking"...
In the above photo you will notice on the right a picture of the White House with an Islamic flag flying over it. The caption of course reads "Islam will dominate".
Here is some more Islamic thinking....
It would seem they are thinking about using nuclear weapons.
They don't think too much of the freedoms of the West...
The web site also reveals what they are thinking...
They will NEVER accept the existence of Israel.
The Islamic Thinkers Society is telling the world what Islam is thinking.
I forgot to mention.... the media idiots at Reuters call these people "supporters of Lebanon". They completely ignore the terrorist aspect of their signs and rhetoric.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060718/ids_photos_ts/r2054771025.jpg
More American Hezbollah support........
Yesterday there was a rally here in NYC in support of the terrorists of Hezbollah. Of course it was held in front of the Israeli consulate.
It was organized by the Islamic Thinkers Society.
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php
Below are some photos of said "Islamic thinking"...
In the above photo you will notice on the right a picture of the White House with an Islamic flag flying over it. The caption of course reads "Islam will dominate".
Here is some more Islamic thinking....
It would seem they are thinking about using nuclear weapons.
They don't think too much of the freedoms of the West...
The web site also reveals what they are thinking...
They will NEVER accept the existence of Israel.
The Islamic Thinkers Society is telling the world what Islam is thinking.
I forgot to mention.... the media idiots at Reuters call these people "supporters of Lebanon". They completely ignore the terrorist aspect of their signs and rhetoric.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060718/ids_photos_ts/r2054771025.jpg
Seriously though this problem/problems won't be solved until these people stop listening to radical religious leaders tell them what the Quaran says (or any of the numerous supporting texts) and figure it out for themselves. Kind of like how the West stopped listening to the calls for "Crusade" and for the most part "Kill the Jews" by corrupt power hungry religious leaders. They still don't understand why we made seperation of church and state a law. Precisely because power corrupts and absolute power(i.e. I speak in God's name) corrupts absolutely.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 01:14 PM
More American Hezbollah support.....
Yesterday there was also a pro-terrorist/Hezbollah demonstration in Dearborn Michigan. (Dearborn is the premier pro-terrorist and pro-Hezbollah city in North America).
Yesterday there was also a pro-terrorist/Hezbollah demonstration in Dearborn Michigan. (Dearborn is the premier pro-terrorist and pro-Hezbollah city in North America).
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 02:32 PM
I brings a tear to my eye to see the Danish flag in the Evil camp..I am sooo proud
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
I brings a tear to my eye to see the Danish flag in the Evil camp..I am sooo proud
I brings a tear to my eye to see the Danish flag in the Evil camp..I am sooo proud
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Where do you see Danish flags?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]I brings a tear to my eye to see the Danish flag in the Evil camp..I am sooo proud
[b]I brings a tear to my eye to see the Danish flag in the Evil camp..I am sooo proud
BTW, Claus I thoroughly enjoyed that cartoon you posted earlier. I need more Danish lessons from my grandmother though.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
It's on one of those deviants' signs.
It's on one of those deviants' signs.
Those Danish sure know how to make some good cartoons.
At least they have balls. Our media proved themselves to be complete pussies.... or dhimmi's.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 02:54 PM
Yet, the PC express outrage at that cartoon.
I thought it was brilliant in a picture that says a thousand words kind of way.
I thought it was brilliant in a picture that says a thousand words kind of way.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 03:10 PM
Apparently this one missed the cut:
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 19/07/06 03:23 PM
You never hear it but Denmark (as tiny as it is) actually has a pretty ballsy. with a regular Army of just over 15.000 they are in Irak and Afghanistan and Kosovo. They always side with the US (not sure if that is a good thing) and make the best fucking Hotdogs in the world.
"NO NO NO the sign does NOT say, watch out for the nutjob with the axe!!"
"NO NO NO the sign does NOT say, watch out for the nutjob with the axe!!"
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 08:44 AM
Unfuckingbelievable! The commie PM of Spain, is on the terrorist's side apparently.
Nice, mini-Chavez in Spain apparently.
So he is hanging out with the whacko leftists in his country, and dressing up like a suicide bomber.
Quote:
Moratinos reacted sternly, saying one could be a loyal ally of Israel and still criticize it without being antisemitic. He addressed Hatchwell personally and told him not to repeat such criticism of the government.
Quote:
He said he was not worried by the diplomatic effect of photographs in Spanish newspapers on Thursday of a grinning Zapatero wearing a black-and-white Palestinian scarf passed to him by a student at Wednesday's meeting.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 08:47 AM
Bwahahahahahahah!
What's he gonna do?
Quote:
Meanwhile, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the Security Council that "hostilities must stop" between Israel and Hezbollah.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 08:52 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Bwahahahahahahah!
What's he gonna do?
Bwahahahahahahah!
Quote:
Meanwhile, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the Security Council that "hostilities must stop" between Israel and Hezbollah.
Isn't he too busy trying to launder the oil-for-food profits??
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 08:59 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Unfuckingbelievable! The commie PM of Spain, is on the terrorist's side apparently.
Unfuckingbelievable! The commie PM of Spain, is on the terrorist's side apparently.
This guy is a disgrace.
Ynet news has an interesting article about Spain and Zapatero here...
In Spain, anti-Semitism is new leftist trend
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 10:26 AM
Was watching Fox News on the subject a couple nights ago.
The ex-director of the CIA apparently subscribes to Desert Rat politics.
He also agreed they should be bombing Syria.
Hmmm.
The rockets are Syrian Made....Syria and Iran have to just be sitting back laughing their grubby little Shit...er..Shiite asses off.
The ex-director of the CIA apparently subscribes to Desert Rat politics.
He also agreed they should be bombing Syria.
Hmmm.
The rockets are Syrian Made....Syria and Iran have to just be sitting back laughing their grubby little Shit...er..Shiite asses off.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 10:38 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
In Spain, anti-Semitism is new leftist trend
In Spain, anti-Semitism is new leftist trend
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 12:02 PM
We should build a really big bio dome, then since we have people from every nation and ethnic group here we should just 
the world rendering it useless for all.
J/K
the world rendering it useless for all.J/K
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 12:52 PM
I am as much for killing terrorists as the next guy, but I fail to understand how some things are not clear to most people about this conflict.
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
Now according to many people here;
- you are not a human being you are just a causualty.
- I have a right to defend myself, so shooting everything in sight is just fine.
- Since you are a friend of the person that hit me you deserve to die as much as he does. If you don't think someone deserves to die because of hitting someone - well let's pretend that your friend went up to me and shoots my friend that is with me. Do you deserve to die then?
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
Now according to many people here;
- you are not a human being you are just a causualty.
- I have a right to defend myself, so shooting everything in sight is just fine.
- Since you are a friend of the person that hit me you deserve to die as much as he does. If you don't think someone deserves to die because of hitting someone - well let's pretend that your friend went up to me and shoots my friend that is with me. Do you deserve to die then?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
I am as much for killing terrorists as the next guy, but I fail to understand how some things are not clear to most people about this conflict.
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
Now according to many people here;
- you are not a human being you are just a causualty.
- I have a right to defend myself, so shooting everything in sight is just fine.
- Since you are a friend of the person that hit me you deserve to die as much as he does. If you don't think someone deserves to die because of hitting someone - well let's pretend that your friend went up to me and shoots my friend that is with me. Do you deserve to die then?
I am as much for killing terrorists as the next guy, but I fail to understand how some things are not clear to most people about this conflict.
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
Now according to many people here;
- you are not a human being you are just a causualty.
- I have a right to defend myself, so shooting everything in sight is just fine.
- Since you are a friend of the person that hit me you deserve to die as much as he does. If you don't think someone deserves to die because of hitting someone - well let's pretend that your friend went up to me and shoots my friend that is with me. Do you deserve to die then?
Wouldn't be applicable if they were bombing Syria.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
Israel did not suffer a "black eye".
It had a couple of its citizens abducted from within its own borders.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 01:24 PM
As much as I like seeing these muslim pieces of garbage get their asses kicked, I really don't want to see Lebanon fall on its face as a result....The lebanese government has no stomach for war...and no ability to control the muslim fucks within their borders becuase the muslims operate autonomously and are a stronger armed power than what Lebanon can muster to oust them.
There are Christians, etc. that are getting caught up in these attacks....they live there too and have nothing to do with this fight.
I just think that while Israel has every right to eradicate the Hezbolla, they should be attacking the source of the Hezbolla's power. They'll kill them all and disarm them temporarily, but as long as Syria and Iran keep providing resources, this will be a never ending cycle until the source is dealt with.
There are Christians, etc. that are getting caught up in these attacks....they live there too and have nothing to do with this fight.
I just think that while Israel has every right to eradicate the Hezbolla, they should be attacking the source of the Hezbolla's power. They'll kill them all and disarm them temporarily, but as long as Syria and Iran keep providing resources, this will be a never ending cycle until the source is dealt with.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 01:37 PM
It's a proxy war. They can't just out and out attack Iran, just as Iran can't attack them.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 01:56 PM
I said Syria. Just a few hundred miles further to the north of Lebanon. Syria's only friend is Iran.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 02:29 PM
Syria isn't the problem, Iran is. Israel could kick Syria's ass tomorrow. They are Iran's puppet IMO. Iran will defend Syria, and that is why Israel won't attack them.
On another note. I fear something big is coming. Most of the Arab states aren't really weighing in on this one. It all seems a bit strange.
On another note. I fear something big is coming. Most of the Arab states aren't really weighing in on this one. It all seems a bit strange.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Syria isn't the problem, Iran is. Israel could kick Syria's ass tomorrow. They are Iran's puppet IMO. Iran will defend Syria, and that is why Israel won't attack them.
On another note. I fear something big is coming. Most of the Arab states aren't really weighing in on this one. It all seems a bit strange.
Syria isn't the problem, Iran is. Israel could kick Syria's ass tomorrow. They are Iran's puppet IMO. Iran will defend Syria, and that is why Israel won't attack them.
On another note. I fear something big is coming. Most of the Arab states aren't really weighing in on this one. It all seems a bit strange.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayHam:
Poor illustration.
Israel did not suffer a "black eye".
It had a couple of its citizens abducted from within its own borders.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
[b]
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
[b]
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
Israel did not suffer a "black eye".
It had a couple of its citizens abducted from within its own borders.[/b]
Posted by: BIBXTERRA
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 05:48 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
On another note. I fear something big is coming......
On another note. I fear something big is coming......
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Point 3 still applies - assuming it was not a black eye but a my buddy killed then it's ok for me to shoot you?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayHam:
[b]Poor illustration.
Israel did not suffer a "black eye".
It had a couple of its citizens abducted from within its own borders.[/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
[b]
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
[b]
To illustrate,
Lets say you and a very good friend of yours are at a bar, I am there too. Your friend comes up to me punches me and gives me a black eye.
I pull out a revolver and shoot at your friend, meanwhile hitting you with a stray bullet in the head and killing you.
Israel did not suffer a "black eye".
It had a couple of its citizens abducted from within its own borders.[/b]
2) I say I will torture and kill them
3) You come after me, shoot me, but the bullet passes through and kills some random guy down the street
That would be closer to what is going on IMO.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 06:46 PM
This was an intelligent discussion for a while. So much for that.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by WolfmanX:
1) I come to your house and kidnap your children
2) I say I will torture and kill them
3) You come after me, shoot me, but the bullet passes through and kills some random guy down the street
That would be closer to what is going on IMO.[/QB]
1) I come to your house and kidnap your children
2) I say I will torture and kill them
3) You come after me, shoot me, but the bullet passes through and kills some random guy down the street
That would be closer to what is going on IMO.[/QB]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 20/07/06 11:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
This was an intelligent discussion for a while. So much for that.
This was an intelligent discussion for a while. So much for that.
Posted by: Paul H
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 21/07/06 12:11 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
This was an intelligent discussion for a while. So much for that.
This was an intelligent discussion for a while. So much for that.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 21/07/06 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
No Man - would be closer if in revenge I broke into your house and started shooting up your children and your wife - but kept missing you.[/QB]
Quote:
Originally posted by WolfmanX:
1) I come to your house and kidnap your children
2) I say I will torture and kill them
3) You come after me, shoot me, but the bullet passes through and kills some random guy down the street
That would be closer to what is going on IMO.
1) I come to your house and kidnap your children
2) I say I will torture and kill them
3) You come after me, shoot me, but the bullet passes through and kills some random guy down the street
That would be closer to what is going on IMO.
Following your logic, you are assuming that no members of Hezbollah have been killed, and that Israel is only attacking innocents..
Think about what you are saying.
![[ThumbsDown]](graemlins/thumbsdown.gif)
Go back to the hills hippie
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Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 21/07/06 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Zizou:
Are you guys always this slow? So let me explain (I don't want you to blow a fuse by over thinking): I purposely changed my name to Zizou to stress what "over reacting" does. Zidane overacting after being harrassed...Israel over reacting...get it? Shit...Is this amateur night?
Are you guys always this slow? So let me explain (I don't want you to blow a fuse by over thinking): I purposely changed my name to Zizou to stress what "over reacting" does. Zidane overacting after being harrassed...Israel over reacting...get it? Shit...Is this amateur night?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 21/07/06 12:24 PM
What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 21/07/06 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by DBAX:
What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 21/07/06 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by WolfmanX:
It's Brians fault.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by DBAX:
[b]What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
[b]What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 21/07/06 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
No Man - would be closer if in revenge I broke into your house and started shooting up your children and your wife - but kept missing you.[/QB]
Quote:
Originally posted by WolfmanX:
1) I come to your house and kidnap your children
2) I say I will torture and kill them
3) You come after me, shoot me, but the bullet passes through and kills some random guy down the street
That would be closer to what is going on IMO.
1) I come to your house and kidnap your children
2) I say I will torture and kill them
3) You come after me, shoot me, but the bullet passes through and kills some random guy down the street
That would be closer to what is going on IMO.
Posted by: InfX708
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 22/07/06 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2Xplore:
The Arabs have been attacking Israel since the Allies carved out a "homeland" for the Jews in 1948. They went from being ruled by the Ottoman Empire, to the British Empire, to having a bunch of displaced foreigners given the keys to their land by outside powers. Personally, I would have been a little pissed myself.
The Arabs have been attacking Israel since the Allies carved out a "homeland" for the Jews in 1948. They went from being ruled by the Ottoman Empire, to the British Empire, to having a bunch of displaced foreigners given the keys to their land by outside powers. Personally, I would have been a little pissed myself.
Posted by: krisjon
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 22/07/06 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by DBAX:
What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 22/07/06 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by DBAX:
What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 22/07/06 11:59 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by chrishaynesusa:
He can't give you an opinion without taking UNPAID time off work.
Quote:
Originally posted by DBAX:
What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
What does Cary think of all the tension in the middle east?
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 06:29 AM
Quote:
If I was president, this wouldn't have happened," said Kerry during a noon stop at Honest John's bar and grill in Detroit's Cass Corridor.
What an asshat.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 09:40 AM
I usually don't like this guy, but the opinion piece that he wrote for last week's edition of US News and World Report was pretty decent: Article Link
It gives a little bit of context to the current situation. Maybe some of you who think that Israel is "overreacting" should read the piece, as it is becoming increasingly clear that most of you in that camp are either ignorant or anti-Semitic. My hope is with the former because that can be remedied.
It gives a little bit of context to the current situation. Maybe some of you who think that Israel is "overreacting" should read the piece, as it is becoming increasingly clear that most of you in that camp are either ignorant or anti-Semitic. My hope is with the former because that can be remedied.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 11:59 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
it is becoming increasingly clear that most of you in that camp are either ignorant or anti-Semitic. My hope is with the former because that can be remedied.
it is becoming increasingly clear that most of you in that camp are either ignorant or anti-Semitic. My hope is with the former because that can be remedied.
1. How many foreign languages can you converse in?
2. How many times have you travelled abroad? Where and for how much time?
3. Have you ever been to Israel, the middle east or any muslim country?
4. How many jewish and muslim close friends do you have?
5. Do you EVER read non-american media?
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Bartez:
Personally, I find your ignorance nauseating. But don't take my word for it, just answer these questions for us:
1. How many foreign languages can you converse in?
2. How many times have you travelled abroad? Where and for how much time?
3. Have you ever been to Israel, the middle east or any muslim country?
4. How many jewish and muslim close friends do you have?
5. Do you EVER read non-american media?
Personally, I find your ignorance nauseating. But don't take my word for it, just answer these questions for us:
1. How many foreign languages can you converse in?
2. How many times have you travelled abroad? Where and for how much time?
3. Have you ever been to Israel, the middle east or any muslim country?
4. How many jewish and muslim close friends do you have?
5. Do you EVER read non-american media?
How many times are you going to change your user name? This is at least your third user name in a week. It was Zizou the other day.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 12:14 PM
No shit. You got nothing, so now you are going to tell us you are this magical all-knowing world traveler?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 12:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Bartez:
Personally, I find your ignorance nauseating. But don't take my word for it, just answer these questions for us:
1. How many foreign languages can you converse in?
2. How many times have you travelled abroad? Where and for how much time?
3. Have you ever been to Israel, the middle east or any muslim country?
4. How many jewish and muslim close friends do you have?
5. Do you EVER read non-american media?
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
it is becoming increasingly clear that most of you in that camp are either ignorant or anti-Semitic. My hope is with the former because that can be remedied.
it is becoming increasingly clear that most of you in that camp are either ignorant or anti-Semitic. My hope is with the former because that can be remedied.
1. How many foreign languages can you converse in?
2. How many times have you travelled abroad? Where and for how much time?
3. Have you ever been to Israel, the middle east or any muslim country?
4. How many jewish and muslim close friends do you have?
5. Do you EVER read non-american media?
You freaking crack me up. Who are you again??
1. Two (German, Spanish).
2. Six. Denmark, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, UK, Canada.
3. Not yet.
4. I have a number of Jewish and Arab friends, most of whom do not actively practice their religious faith.
5. Every fucking day, asshole.
Do you want me to post my CV too?
Seriously, thanks for showing up here. You make me laugh.
ETA: Oh yeah, I almost forgot since I don't keep ethno-religious spreadsheets on my friends and family members, that an uncle of mine that I play tennis with was born and raised in Kuwait.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 12:27 PM
Since your name changes almost daily, I'll just refer to you as 'troll'.
That said, Mr. Hezbollah sympathizer....here's a little something to remind you how I view radical Islam....
I sincerely hope it offends you.
That said, Mr. Hezbollah sympathizer....here's a little something to remind you how I view radical Islam....
I sincerely hope it offends you.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by WolfmanX:
You are an idiot.
Following your logic, you are assuming that no members of Hezbollah have been killed, and that Israel is only attacking innocents..
Think about what you are saying.
Go back to the hills hippie [/QB]
You are an idiot.
Following your logic, you are assuming that no members of Hezbollah have been killed, and that Israel is only attacking innocents..
Think about what you are saying.
Go back to the hills hippie
[/QB] From what I have heard in the news it has been about 1:10 ration for every 1 hezbollah - 10 civilians and children - unless you are assuming that children can indeed be hezbollah?
I have never been accused of being a peace-active-hippie-queer. I stated my position plainly that I support the ellimination of all terrorists and terrorist movement, no questions asked. I loved the james bond thing they used to do in Britain with a certain terrorist irish organization.
In the article mentioned above - if Canada attacked the US border and kidnapped two guards while having rockets hurled into the US from within it's borders - then indeed you have a right to invade Canada and deal with the terrorist organization within that is doing that. However, I would hope that while you are doing that that you don't inadvertently bomb me and my family. If I was in that position I would strive to be careful not to bomb you and your family.
At the same time I think it is imperitive that all Muslims take ownership of this issue. It is your and your childrens ass on the line. There is no room in the world for terrorist organizations that blow up innocent civilians. Speak up, let your possition be known. As they say if you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.
Having said that, ANYONE that blows up civilians is in my book a terrorist organization.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Zizou:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bartez:
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
How many times are you going to change your user name? This is at least your third user name in a week. It was Zizou the other day.
How many times are you going to change your user name? This is at least your third user name in a week. It was Zizou the other day.
This guy is most interesting, especially given the undeniable intelligence and worldliness that he has displayed in his 16 posts here.
I think we should start a pool on guessing this guy's vitals.
My entry:
Struggling writer hoping for his "big break," but "The Man" at the publishing houses keeps sending those rejection letters. They just don't understand him or his amazing intelligence. Clearly, he was born two generations too soon. In the meantime he waits tables at the local trendy bistro, using a fake foreign accent. He spends his down time talking to his cat Muffins (still with the accent), reading the latest on moveon.org, and blogging at the Daily Kos.
Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 01:20 PM
Latest from the leader of Hizbullah:
THIS IS THE MOST LOGICAL EXPLAINATION YET :rolleyes:
Man, I seriously cannot wrap my head around the way these people think. Would it be possible to drop a Prozac bomb on some of these turds and see if it straightens out their thinking?
Late,
Spanky
THIS IS THE MOST LOGICAL EXPLAINATION YET :rolleyes:
Man, I seriously cannot wrap my head around the way these people think. Would it be possible to drop a Prozac bomb on some of these turds and see if it straightens out their thinking?
Late,
Spanky
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Struggling writer hoping for his "big break," but "The Man" at the publishing houses keeps sending those rejection letters. They just don't understand him or his amazing intelligence. Clearly, he was born two generations too soon. In the meantime he waits tables at the local trendy bistro, using a fake foreign accent. He spends his down time talking to his cat Muffins (still with the accent), reading the latest on moveon.org, and blogging at the Daily Kos.
Struggling writer hoping for his "big break," but "The Man" at the publishing houses keeps sending those rejection letters. They just don't understand him or his amazing intelligence. Clearly, he was born two generations too soon. In the meantime he waits tables at the local trendy bistro, using a fake foreign accent. He spends his down time talking to his cat Muffins (still with the accent), reading the latest on moveon.org, and blogging at the Daily Kos.
Maybe a DailyKos guy. Also the DemocraticUnderground.com type too.
Actually, my take on the guy.... based on what he has said in his postings, I'm guessing he's most likely Canadian.
It's also quite possible that Desert_Rat just posted a picture of him.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
based on what he has said in his postings, I'm guessing he's most likely Canadian.
based on what he has said in his postings, I'm guessing he's most likely Canadian.
He's a member of SOXC.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayHam:
He lives in Toronto.
He's a member of SOXC.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b] based on what he has said in his postings, I'm guessing he's most likely Canadian.
[b] based on what he has said in his postings, I'm guessing he's most likely Canadian.
He's a member of SOXC.[/b]
I didn't even think he had an Xterra.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I didn't even think he had an Xterra.
I didn't even think he had an Xterra.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 01:56 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
You know this guy Graham?
I didn't even think he had an Xterra.
You know this guy Graham?
I didn't even think he had an Xterra.
Just reading his past posts:
Quote:
Originally posted by fabien, aka Zizou, aka Barzet, aka whatever-other-fucking-name-he-comes-up-with:
Luce les amis. J'habite a Toronto et fait partie de SOXC, le club Xterra du Sud de l'Ontario. Je passe a Montreal de temps en temps. Je ne sais pas depuis combien de temps votre club existe; je viens de le remarquer. Bonee idee en tout cas. A +.
Luce les amis. J'habite a Toronto et fait partie de SOXC, le club Xterra du Sud de l'Ontario. Je passe a Montreal de temps en temps. Je ne sais pas depuis combien de temps votre club existe; je viens de le remarquer. Bonee idee en tout cas. A +.
Forgive the poor translation. Tenth-grade French was a long time ago, and I spent most of it at the arcades (shouldn't have made it last period!).
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 02:09 PM
I guess you just HAD to know what the other 3 posts he's ever made were about, eh?
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 02:32 PM
Hmmm... French Cannuck. That explains a lot.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Hmmm... French Cannuck. That explains a lot.
Hmmm... French Cannuck. That explains a lot.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 07:40 PM
My name is Gaston and I do live in Toronto. I am not a writer but a baker. I bake baguettes and croissants too. Good, golden croissants.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 07:45 PM
BTW you guys are taking this WAY TOO seriously. Hopy shit batman you need to lighten up. I find a lot of the commentary appaling so why not speak up but it's not like you're Zidane and I insulted your sister. It's a truck board. You're not running for president. Go for a walk and lighen up fellows.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 08:20 PM
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 08:35 PM
tag da en skidepille og slap lidt af. I er alle under skolede korn fede amerikanere som ikke har en skid udsigt til hvad der ligger to hundrede meter uden for jeres egen baghave. I er bare saa lette at narre til at tro hvad som helst naar det har at goere med at vaere patriotiske for jeres land. hvis I bare vidste hvor meget verdenen griner af jer.....
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 08:37 PM
My name is Gaston. I bake good, golden croissants. I am wise, worldy and witty. I fart in your general direction. Now go away or I shall be forced to change my user name and taunt you further.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 08:38 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
tag da en skidepille og slap lidt af. I er alle under skolede korn fede amerikanere som ikke har en skid udsigt til hvad der ligger to hundrede meter uden for jeres egen baghave. I er bare saa lette at narre til at tro hvad som helst naar det har at goere med at vaere patriotiske for jeres land. hvis I bare vidste hvor meget verdenen griner af jer.....
tag da en skidepille og slap lidt af. I er alle under skolede korn fede amerikanere som ikke har en skid udsigt til hvad der ligger to hundrede meter uden for jeres egen baghave. I er bare saa lette at narre til at tro hvad som helst naar det har at goere med at vaere patriotiske for jeres land. hvis I bare vidste hvor meget verdenen griner af jer.....
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 24/07/06 09:43 PM
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 07:58 AM
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 08:07 AM
It's not like Canada is even a real country anyways.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 08:18 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
If you had been here longer than 16 posts, you would realize that not all of my views could be considered "right wing." Of course, any view to the right of your lunacy may seem "right wing."
If you had been here longer than 16 posts, you would realize that not all of my views could be considered "right wing." Of course, any view to the right of your lunacy may seem "right wing."
This guy is a moonbat Frenchy named "Gaston" who bakes croissants.
Is it possible to be any more of the stereotypical "surrender monkey"?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 08:33 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I agree. Don't let this idiot bother you. To many Canadians, people like Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders are "right wingers". Especially the despicable French Canadaians.
I agree. Don't let this idiot bother you. To many Canadians, people like Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders are "right wingers". Especially the despicable French Canadaians.
Quote:
This guy is a moonbat Frenchy named "Gaston" who bakes croissants. Is it possible to be any more of the stereotypical "surrender monkey"?
Is it possible to be any more of the stereotypical "surrender monkey"? Madman, you rock.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 09:50 AM
There are some people in Canada who actually get it...
Israeli ceasefire no solution to peace in Lebanon, MacKay says
You would have never heard this kind of clarity from the disgraceful Cretin government of a few years ago.
Israeli ceasefire no solution to peace in Lebanon, MacKay says
Quote:
OTTAWA (CP) - It’s time to start working diplomatically toward peace in Lebanon - but that doesn’t mean a unilateral ceasefire by Israel, says Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay.
Speaking Sunday on television, MacKay refused to join other countries who have called on the Israelis to rein in their military offensive in the region.
Before hostilities can end, he said, both sides will have to agree on a solution that will ensure Israel doesn’t come under attack again from Hezbollah guerrillas using Lebanon as their base of operations.
“A ceasefire and a return to the status quo is a victory for Hezbollah,” MacKay warned. “Let’s not forget that this was an unprovoked attack by a terrorist organization . . . . The discussions have to focus on the long-term end of violence in the region.”
Speaking Sunday on television, MacKay refused to join other countries who have called on the Israelis to rein in their military offensive in the region.
Before hostilities can end, he said, both sides will have to agree on a solution that will ensure Israel doesn’t come under attack again from Hezbollah guerrillas using Lebanon as their base of operations.
“A ceasefire and a return to the status quo is a victory for Hezbollah,” MacKay warned. “Let’s not forget that this was an unprovoked attack by a terrorist organization . . . . The discussions have to focus on the long-term end of violence in the region.”
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Bartez:
Personally, I find your ignorance nauseating. But don't take my word for it, just answer these questions for us:
1. How many foreign languages can you converse in?
2. How many times have you travelled abroad? Where and for how much time?
3. Have you ever been to Israel, the middle east or any muslim country?
4. How many jewish and muslim close friends do you have?
5. Do you EVER read non-american media?
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
it is becoming increasingly clear that most of you in that camp are either ignorant or anti-Semitic. My hope is with the former because that can be remedied.
it is becoming increasingly clear that most of you in that camp are either ignorant or anti-Semitic. My hope is with the former because that can be remedied.
1. How many foreign languages can you converse in?
2. How many times have you travelled abroad? Where and for how much time?
3. Have you ever been to Israel, the middle east or any muslim country?
4. How many jewish and muslim close friends do you have?
5. Do you EVER read non-american media?
1. Define "foreign" language? Does that mean not my first language? Because if so, then technically english is my foreign language. But, since I don't use spanish on a regular basis (a few times a year, tops), and have been speaking English since I was about 4, I guess I should say english is my native language. I'm confused... I don't know how to answer the question. (Incidentally, my parents native language is english, and mine technically is spanish; we moved to Guatemala when I was a baby, and that's where I learned my first language, spanish.)
2. Not sure if this is completely correct, I may be missing one or two, but I've been to Nicaragua, Honduras at least 4 times (I've lost track), England, France, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Mexico, Canada, Guatemala, and Costa Rica. Will eventually get to the rest of the continents; just haven't found the time, yet.
3. Only muslim countries I've been to are African muslims, which are completely different than Arab muslims. Come to think of it, "Muslim" isn't a type of country; Arab is, Persian is, but Muslim is a religion, not a country. So really, nobody's been to a "Muslim" country before. It doesn't exist.
No, I haven't been to Israel, yet. I have no desire to get blown up on a bus ride by some sheet head with a grudge against my forefathers from centuries ago. (yeah, I'm jewish by blood. Bite me.)
4. Besides the famdambly? Umm, not many that I know of. We stopped having to wear those little star of david arm bands sometime around 1945 or so. It's damned hard to pick 'em out anymore. I mean, you can always look for the big noses, but seriously, some people might just be Indian (dots not feathers), or other, and not Jewish or Muslim. It's too hard to tell from just looking at someone.
5. Non-American media? Oh, you mean the media from all those other countries that have "Freedom of the Press" like Iran, North Korea, China, etc.? Nah. No thanks. Besides, we already established that I don't speak any foreign languages in #1, so how am I supposed to read "non-american" media? I can't even pick up a paper in Honduras when I'm there, and fill that bill, 'cause believe it or not, "America" consists of two continents, and a middle connector... Hell there's at least 4 major languages in the Americas (English, French, Spanish, Portugese) and I don't speak but half of 'em! Geez... I guess I should freshen up on my Swahili, so I can read some "non-american" media next time I'm in Africa.
editors note: going places, speaking other languages, reading translated versions of foreign media, doesn't mean you know shit about shit. I've done all that, and I'm dumb as a rock if you ask some of the people around here. So freaking what. If you post something stupid, like justifying the Hezbollah, then you're not nearly as "enlightened" as you think. You're just very poorly informed, or else you've been brainwashed from birth.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by porsche996:
...editors note:... If you post something stupid, like justifying the Hezbollah, then you're not nearly as "enlightened" as you think. You're just very poorly informed, or else you've been brainwashed from birth.[/QB]
...editors note:... If you post something stupid, like justifying the Hezbollah, then you're not nearly as "enlightened" as you think. You're just very poorly informed, or else you've been brainwashed from birth.[/QB]
Next thing you know someone says - French Canadians are on the side of Hezbollah, then someone else says Canada is not a country and then someone says Canadians don't have a right to exist... see where this goes...
Generalizing is bad enough - but then when you make up something and generalize from that - that is just plain stupid.
Can we just stay away from the bravado and the rhetoric?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by Bartez:
My name is Gaston and I live in Toronto. I am a baker, not a candlestick maker. I bake baguettes and croissants. Good, golden croissants. I am Canadian and proud of my Frog ... err French ... heritage.
My name is Gaston and I live in Toronto. I am a baker, not a candlestick maker. I bake baguettes and croissants. Good, golden croissants. I am Canadian and proud of my Frog ... err French ... heritage.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 11:51 AM
Posted by: MBFlyerfan
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 11:53 AM
Holy crap, now the muslims are going to blow up this board!
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 11:57 AM
There might be some Canadians who want to blow up this board.
Anyone know if you can fit a Jew in a croissant oven?
Anyone know if you can fit a Jew in a croissant oven?
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by MBFlyerfan:
Holy crap, now the muslims are going to blow up this board!
Holy crap, now the muslims are going to blow up this board!
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 01:39 PM
Here are a few recent articles from Al Jazeera, the "moderate" English-language Middle Eastern news source:
Israel\'s Goals in the Current Conflict
Boycott Israel
Views of Hezbollah and Hamas
I will refrain from comment because I think the views described in these articles best speak for themselves. When reading, bear in mind that Al Jazeera is almost universally despised within Muslim circles for being too "soft" on Israel and the U.S.
Israel\'s Goals in the Current Conflict
Boycott Israel
Views of Hezbollah and Hamas
I will refrain from comment because I think the views described in these articles best speak for themselves. When reading, bear in mind that Al Jazeera is almost universally despised within Muslim circles for being too "soft" on Israel and the U.S.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Here are a few recent articles from Al Jazeera, the "moderate" English-language Middle Eastern news source:
Here are a few recent articles from Al Jazeera, the "moderate" English-language Middle Eastern news source:
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 02:09 PM
Since, like Fox News, we always strive to be "fair and balanced" here at XOC, I have kindly assembled some more links to foreign publications reporting on the events:
Israelis using human shields--BBC
Israel to carve out security zone--The Jerusalem Post
Saudi King warns of broader war--The Daily Star (Lebanon)
Israel rules out rapid truce--AFP
Hey, this is just a friendly post from your redneck, illiterate resident moron from tumbleweed junction here in Southern Oregon. Clearly, I get all my info from the Clear Channel and Bush's official press releases. :rolleyes:
Maybe I'll be better informed if I spend some time in a Canadian bakery fondling hot buns all day.
Israelis using human shields--BBC
Israel to carve out security zone--The Jerusalem Post
Saudi King warns of broader war--The Daily Star (Lebanon)
Israel rules out rapid truce--AFP
Hey, this is just a friendly post from your redneck, illiterate resident moron from tumbleweed junction here in Southern Oregon. Clearly, I get all my info from the Clear Channel and Bush's official press releases. :rolleyes:
Maybe I'll be better informed if I spend some time in a Canadian bakery fondling hot buns all day.
Posted by: Mobycat
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 02:17 PM
Is that really you?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 02:32 PM
I almost forgot, this section of Al Jazeera is fucking priceless. If I need a laugh at work, this one never disappoints:
Al Jazeera Conspiracy Theories
Al Jazeera Conspiracy Theories
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 02:39 PM
Speaking of foreign news sources..... The BBC is running out of anti-Israeli stories and are soliciting Palestinians to send them some anti-Israeli stuff they can run with....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5213174.stm
Another "foreign news source" headquarted in Atlanta, Georgia, CNN, is admitting that Hezbollah has contolled some of it's reporting....
http://newsbusters.org/node/6552
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5213174.stm
Another "foreign news source" headquarted in Atlanta, Georgia, CNN, is admitting that Hezbollah has contolled some of it's reporting....
http://newsbusters.org/node/6552
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Challenged by Reliable Sources host (and Washington Post media writer) Howard Kurtz on Sunday, Robertson suggested Hezbollah has “very, very sophisticated and slick media operations,” that the terrorist group “had control of the situation. They designated the places that we went to, and we certainly didn't have time to go into the houses or lift up the rubble to see what was underneath,” and he even contradicted Hezbollah’s self-serving spin: “There's no doubt that the [Israeli] bombs there are hitting Hezbollah facilities.”
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Speaking of foreign news sources..... The BBC is running out of anti-Israeli stories and are soliciting Palestinians to send them some anti-Israeli stuff they can run with....
Speaking of foreign news sources..... The BBC is running out of anti-Israeli stories and are soliciting Palestinians to send them some anti-Israeli stuff they can run with....
Posted by: BIBXTERRA
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
I would guess that Al Jazeera is a preferred "foreign news source" for Gaston and his varied fellow travelers across Canada and Europe.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]Here are a few recent articles from Al Jazeera, the "moderate" English-language Middle Eastern news source:
[b]Here are a few recent articles from Al Jazeera, the "moderate" English-language Middle Eastern news source:
"
Hezbollahs "greeting cards" to haifa:
All I see are casualties and death and nothing else.
I think we better all take a cold shower on this one. Especially when we start throwing around definitions of Anti-Semitism which intself is a misnomer.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by BIBXTERRA:
Hate comes in many forms. True,the muslims hate the jews right now, but the jews hate the muslis equally as this picture shows: "Israeli children sending thier love? "
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]I would guess that Al Jazeera is a preferred "foreign news source" for Gaston and his varied fellow travelers across Canada and Europe.[/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]Here are a few recent articles from Al Jazeera, the "moderate" English-language Middle Eastern news source:
[b]Here are a few recent articles from Al Jazeera, the "moderate" English-language Middle Eastern news source:
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Posted by: BIBXTERRA
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 03:57 PM
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Umm... Can you say "Photoshop"? Elsewise, how do you explain the english love poems on the bombs... Hebrew is the national language of Israel, not English...
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Nice try, but keep trying.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by BIBXTERRA:
Hate comes in many forms. True,the muslims hate the jews right now, but the jews hate the muslis equally as this picture shows: "Israeli children sending thier love?
Hate comes in many forms. True,the muslims hate the jews right now, but the jews hate the muslis equally as this picture shows: "Israeli children sending thier love?
Israel's Muslim enemies openly state their goal is the destruction of Israel and death to the Jews. They teach their children that Jews are nothing but pigs and monkeys.
The Jews do not teach their children to hate Muslims.
I've already mentioned that 20% of the population of Israel is Arab. Most of them are Muslims. They live in peace and are treated with respect by their fellow Israeli citizens.
Please show me where Israel's enemies treat Jews with the same respect in their societies. Please show proof that Jews teach their kids hate.
A specious photo that is being displayed on every Islamist and pro-Hezbollah website is not proof of anything.
You probably need to read what Israel's enemies say in their own words.
Start with the Palestinians....
http://www.memri.org/palestinian.html
http://www.pmw.org.il/
Watch some of their TV broadcasts....
http://www.pmw.org.il/tv.html
Show me the same pure hatred coming out of Israel. Show me Israeli's indoctrinating their children into a culture of death and hatred.
Show me.....
Posted by: BIBXTERRA
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 05:29 PM
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Show me the same pure hatred coming out of Israel.
This is not from a pro Hezbollah blog. It's a Jewish one from israel.
Hre's another example of hate: The JDL:
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Anti-Soviet activities
The Jewish Defense League during the early seventies campaigned to allow the emigration of Soviet Jews from the Soviet Union. The organization was linked with a 1970 bomb explosion outside of Aeroflot's New York City office and a 1971 detonation outside of Soviet cultural offices in Washington, DC. Also in 1971, a JDL member allegedly fired a rifle into the Soviet Union's mission office at the United Nations. In 1972 two JDL members were arrested and charged with bomb possession and burglary in a conspiracy to blow up the Long Island residence of the Soviet Mission to the UN. The two JDL members pleaded guilty and were sentenced to serve 3 years in prison for one and a year and a day for the other.
In 1975, JDL leader Meir Kahane was accused of conspiring to kidnap a Soviet diplomat, to bomb the Iraqi Embassy in Washington, and to ship arms abroad from Israel. A hearing was held to revoke Kahane's probation for a 1971 firebomb making incident. He was found guilty of violating probation and sered a one year prison sentence. JDL activities were condemned by Moscow refuseniks who felt that the group's actions were making it less likely that the Soviet Union would relax restrictions on Jewish emigration. On April 6, 1976, six prominent refuseniks, Vladimir Slepak, Alexander Lerner, Anatoly Shcharansky, and Iosif Begun condemned the JDL's activities as "terrorist acts" stating "Such actions constitute a danger for Soviet Jews... as they might be used by the authorities as a pretext for new repressions and for instigating anti-Semitic hostilities." [3]
Durind the 1980's, then JDL Chairman and current Jewish Task Force Chairman Chaim Ben Pesach led a campaign of bombing Soviet targets which he credits as the reason for the complete removal of the ban of Jewish emigration from the Soviet Union and as well as the reason for the fall of the Soviet Union. He has said that the bombings brought strains in US-Soviet relations which he says helped his cause.
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Controversies
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Terrorism and the JDL
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has described the Jewish Defense League in Congressional testimony as a "violent" and "extremist" group. In a sidebar in its "Terrorism 2000/2001" report, the Bureau said, "The Jewish Defense League has been deemed a right-wing terrorist group." It identified the group in a 1999 terrorism report as the perpetrator of several bombing and arson incidents that took place between 1980 and 1989. Mary Doran, an FBI street agent, described the JDL in 2004 Congressional testimony as "a proscribed terrorist group," though Doran also acknowledged that she is not involved in "policy and administrative decision-making processes." The group drew heavy criticism for its support of Baruch Goldstein, a JDL member who killed twenty-nine Muslim worshippers at the Cave of the Patriarchs in 1994. The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism (MIPT) says in its knowledge base that the last known attack by JDL was on 26 February 1992 and that "(t)oday, JDL is not actively engaged in terrorist actions." The FBI suspects that Arab-American Congressman Darrell Issa was targeted by JDL members who planned then aborted a terror attack against his office [4].
The Jewish Defense League denies that it is a terrorist organization or a sponsor of terror. Its website states: "The Jewish Defense League unconditionally condemns terrorism of all forms. Terrorism is never a legitimate means to the furtherance of political goals."[5]
Nevertheless, on a number of occasions the JDL has expressed support for acts of vengeance in reprisal to Arab terrorist attacks on Jews. On October 26, 1981 after two firebombs damaged the Egyptian Tourist Office at Rockefeller Center, JDL Chairman Meir Kahane said at a press conference: "I'm not going to say that the JDL bombed that office. There are laws against that in this country. But I'm not going to say I mourn for it either." The next day, an anonymous caller claimed responsibility on behalf of the JDL. A JDL spokesman later denied his group's involvement, but said "We support the act."[6]
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Reactions to the JDL
The JDL's approach has been criticized by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as a "gross distortion" of the situation faced by American Jews. The ADL also states that JDL's founder, Meir Kahane, "preached a radical form of Jewish nationalism which reflected racism, violence and political extremism" and that those attitudes "were replicated" by Irv Rubin, the successor to Kahane [7] [8]. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has added the JDL to its list of watched "hate groups".
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Anti-Soviet activities
The Jewish Defense League during the early seventies campaigned to allow the emigration of Soviet Jews from the Soviet Union. The organization was linked with a 1970 bomb explosion outside of Aeroflot's New York City office and a 1971 detonation outside of Soviet cultural offices in Washington, DC. Also in 1971, a JDL member allegedly fired a rifle into the Soviet Union's mission office at the United Nations. In 1972 two JDL members were arrested and charged with bomb possession and burglary in a conspiracy to blow up the Long Island residence of the Soviet Mission to the UN. The two JDL members pleaded guilty and were sentenced to serve 3 years in prison for one and a year and a day for the other.
In 1975, JDL leader Meir Kahane was accused of conspiring to kidnap a Soviet diplomat, to bomb the Iraqi Embassy in Washington, and to ship arms abroad from Israel. A hearing was held to revoke Kahane's probation for a 1971 firebomb making incident. He was found guilty of violating probation and sered a one year prison sentence. JDL activities were condemned by Moscow refuseniks who felt that the group's actions were making it less likely that the Soviet Union would relax restrictions on Jewish emigration. On April 6, 1976, six prominent refuseniks, Vladimir Slepak, Alexander Lerner, Anatoly Shcharansky, and Iosif Begun condemned the JDL's activities as "terrorist acts" stating "Such actions constitute a danger for Soviet Jews... as they might be used by the authorities as a pretext for new repressions and for instigating anti-Semitic hostilities." [3]
Durind the 1980's, then JDL Chairman and current Jewish Task Force Chairman Chaim Ben Pesach led a campaign of bombing Soviet targets which he credits as the reason for the complete removal of the ban of Jewish emigration from the Soviet Union and as well as the reason for the fall of the Soviet Union. He has said that the bombings brought strains in US-Soviet relations which he says helped his cause.
[edit]
Controversies
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Terrorism and the JDL
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has described the Jewish Defense League in Congressional testimony as a "violent" and "extremist" group. In a sidebar in its "Terrorism 2000/2001" report, the Bureau said, "The Jewish Defense League has been deemed a right-wing terrorist group." It identified the group in a 1999 terrorism report as the perpetrator of several bombing and arson incidents that took place between 1980 and 1989. Mary Doran, an FBI street agent, described the JDL in 2004 Congressional testimony as "a proscribed terrorist group," though Doran also acknowledged that she is not involved in "policy and administrative decision-making processes." The group drew heavy criticism for its support of Baruch Goldstein, a JDL member who killed twenty-nine Muslim worshippers at the Cave of the Patriarchs in 1994. The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism (MIPT) says in its knowledge base that the last known attack by JDL was on 26 February 1992 and that "(t)oday, JDL is not actively engaged in terrorist actions." The FBI suspects that Arab-American Congressman Darrell Issa was targeted by JDL members who planned then aborted a terror attack against his office [4].
The Jewish Defense League denies that it is a terrorist organization or a sponsor of terror. Its website states: "The Jewish Defense League unconditionally condemns terrorism of all forms. Terrorism is never a legitimate means to the furtherance of political goals."[5]
Nevertheless, on a number of occasions the JDL has expressed support for acts of vengeance in reprisal to Arab terrorist attacks on Jews. On October 26, 1981 after two firebombs damaged the Egyptian Tourist Office at Rockefeller Center, JDL Chairman Meir Kahane said at a press conference: "I'm not going to say that the JDL bombed that office. There are laws against that in this country. But I'm not going to say I mourn for it either." The next day, an anonymous caller claimed responsibility on behalf of the JDL. A JDL spokesman later denied his group's involvement, but said "We support the act."[6]
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Reactions to the JDL
The JDL's approach has been criticized by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as a "gross distortion" of the situation faced by American Jews. The ADL also states that JDL's founder, Meir Kahane, "preached a radical form of Jewish nationalism which reflected racism, violence and political extremism" and that those attitudes "were replicated" by Irv Rubin, the successor to Kahane [7] [8]. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has added the JDL to its list of watched "hate groups".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League
How about the Karp Report, from Deputy Attorney General of Israel, Yehudit Karp. Can be found here:
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0799/9907081.html
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You probably need to read what Israel's enemies say in their own words.
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/21693
This is a real mess for both sides., as one IDF shoulder had put it:
Hey.
I'm an IDF soldier stationed at the Lebanon is border, but got back home for a funeral of someone I knew.
We can't see all the bombing on Lebanon here from Israel (naturaly we're focusing on bombs at Israel), so you're pretty much updating me on what's going on.
I don't want to start arguing about who's right and who's wrong, the finaly word is that it's not right that civilians get hurt in the process, from both sides.
I'm sending you my best wishes from here, and hope that you and your family will be strong and be alright until this horrible situation will be over.
Shachar.
Hopefully more reasonable people will end the madness and peace will come to the middle east.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 25/07/06 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by BIBXTERRA:
I just did. Here is the picture again:
This is not from a pro Hezbollah blog. It's a Jewish one from israel.
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Show me the same pure hatred coming out of Israel.
This is not from a pro Hezbollah blog. It's a Jewish one from israel.
The girl who wrote the article for the JP explained the pictures in her blog where you pulled them from.
http://ontheface.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/20/2142505.html
It just didn't suit your agenda to do any explaining.
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They have nothing to do with the Israeli government and they certainly have absolutely nothing to do with the curriculum taught Israeli children. Nor do they have any influence on Israeli media organizations.
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Agreed. they are no better. Read this commentary by Daniel Pipes:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/21693
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/21693
I'm wondering if you actually read it. What she describes is pure hatred and indoctrination.
It was interesting that she also wrote about the anti-Israeli/pro-jihadist hate propaganda that is prevalent not only in the Middle East, but also here in the West in institutions such as colleges and universities.
Is your moral relativism a product of that?
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This is a real mess for both sides., as one IDF shoulder had put it:
http://lebanesebloggers.blogspot.com/2006/07/day-6-more-attacks.html#c115313406734389156
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Hopefully more reasonable people will end the madness and peace will come to the middle east.
The goal of terrorists is not peace. What is shameful and pathetic is that you don't realize that fact.
You have failed horribly to back up your propagandistic claims of endemic societal hatred in Israel. It doesn't exist.
The elephant in the room is not equivalent to the flea that occasionally flies by.
"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us" .... Golda Meir
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 06:38 AM
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by BIBXTERRA:
I just did. Here is the picture again:
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Show me the same pure hatred coming out of Israel.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 07:54 AM
I'm surprised that many of the people so upset by what Israel is doing in Lebanon (and posting in this thread) are Canadians . . .
-fabien/zizou/bartez
-SE4X4
-BIBXterra
Huh.
-fabien/zizou/bartez
-SE4X4
-BIBXterra
Huh.
Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by GrayHam:
I'm surprised that many of the people so upset by what Israel is doing in Lebanon (and posting in this thread) are Canadians . . .
-fabien/zizou/bartez
-SE4X4
-BIBXterra
Huh.
I'm surprised that many of the people so upset by what Israel is doing in Lebanon (and posting in this thread) are Canadians . . .
-fabien/zizou/bartez
-SE4X4
-BIBXterra
Huh.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by GrayHam:
I'm surprised that many of the people so upset by what Israel is doing in Lebanon (and posting in this thread) are Canadians . . .
-fabien/zizou/bartez
-SE4X4
-BIBXterra
Huh.
I'm surprised that many of the people so upset by what Israel is doing in Lebanon (and posting in this thread) are Canadians . . .
-fabien/zizou/bartez
-SE4X4
-BIBXterra
Huh.
Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by GrayHam:
[QUOTE]I think there is still a culture that says, Hey, chill out, wait it out, everything will be fine.
Of course, that's just an opinion . . . I could be full of shit.
[QUOTE]I think there is still a culture that says, Hey, chill out, wait it out, everything will be fine.
Of course, that's just an opinion . . . I could be full of shit.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 09:01 AM
Hmm, no French bloodline...
I think Canadians are more apt to disagree with their government, or any government. Being in a smaller country world affairs seem to affect us more. The city I live in is more than 50 % visible minorities (no I am not one, being from Eastern Europe) I’m well traveled and don’t necessarily see myself living in Canada for the rest of my life.
That combined with a general distrust of the current republican regime in the US (proven out many times.. can you say Iraq) could possibly be what is compelling me to voice an opinion and say hey…. This seems wrong to me… this war could spread and no good can possibly come out of it – unless you consider millions of Lebanese and Israelis dead after the end of it a good thing?
So I don't know perhaps more Canadian's simply give a shit.
I think Canadians are more apt to disagree with their government, or any government. Being in a smaller country world affairs seem to affect us more. The city I live in is more than 50 % visible minorities (no I am not one, being from Eastern Europe) I’m well traveled and don’t necessarily see myself living in Canada for the rest of my life.
That combined with a general distrust of the current republican regime in the US (proven out many times.. can you say Iraq) could possibly be what is compelling me to voice an opinion and say hey…. This seems wrong to me… this war could spread and no good can possibly come out of it – unless you consider millions of Lebanese and Israelis dead after the end of it a good thing?
So I don't know perhaps more Canadian's simply give a shit.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 09:02 AM
That's an interesting take. Thanks, Graham. I studied comparative colonialisms a bit, so I can see where you are going with that ... There has been some of work done on what the colonial experience impresses on the collective cutural norms and attitudes of those under imperial rule. A lot of it is social-psychological jargon-infested muck though and highly biased by the new "bottom up" historiography.
I still wonder if the whole "mosaic" phenomenon in Canada is behind a lot of it though. My close friend, Vlad, lives in Toronto. He was born and raised in Ukraine, went to college and grad school in the U.S., and now works (obviously) in Canada. I've visited him a couple times and was amazed how segmented the city's neighborhoods are by ethnic group. It kind of reminded me of the "ghettoization" of many urban Catholic ethnic groups in the 19th century U.S. It wasn't really until after WWI that many American ethnic groups stopped clinging so much to their "hyphenated" (i.e. German-American) identity. So much of the nationalism in the U.S. is centered on ascribing to the "idea" of America--freedom, liberty, meritocracy, representative democracy, etc. On the other hand, I haven't felt any impression of national cohesion in my visits to Canada. It just seems like a bunch of people who are, for the most part, tolerant of one another and believe in large government and quasi-socialistic principles (I haven't been to the Prairie provinces which are far more conservative). I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it's just an observation of a foreigner.
ETA: Graham, why did you delete your post?
I still wonder if the whole "mosaic" phenomenon in Canada is behind a lot of it though. My close friend, Vlad, lives in Toronto. He was born and raised in Ukraine, went to college and grad school in the U.S., and now works (obviously) in Canada. I've visited him a couple times and was amazed how segmented the city's neighborhoods are by ethnic group. It kind of reminded me of the "ghettoization" of many urban Catholic ethnic groups in the 19th century U.S. It wasn't really until after WWI that many American ethnic groups stopped clinging so much to their "hyphenated" (i.e. German-American) identity. So much of the nationalism in the U.S. is centered on ascribing to the "idea" of America--freedom, liberty, meritocracy, representative democracy, etc. On the other hand, I haven't felt any impression of national cohesion in my visits to Canada. It just seems like a bunch of people who are, for the most part, tolerant of one another and believe in large government and quasi-socialistic principles (I haven't been to the Prairie provinces which are far more conservative). I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it's just an observation of a foreigner.
ETA: Graham, why did you delete your post?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by SE4X4:
I think Canadians are more apt to disagree with their government, or any government.
So I don't know perhaps more Canadian's simply give a shit.
I think Canadians are more apt to disagree with their government, or any government.
So I don't know perhaps more Canadian's simply give a shit.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
ETA: Graham, why did you delete your post?
ETA: Graham, why did you delete your post?
I read it over a couple times, and wasn't very happy with it. Rather than rewrite, I thought I could back it out without anyone seeing it.
I guess it's not that bad.
Hey! Who's moderating this stoopid forum? Go ahead and restore my post, please . . .
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Originally posted by GrayHam, before I deleted it:
To be honest?
I think it might have a bit to do with how the country was born.
The United States [b]fought for their independence.
Canada waited until it was granted independence.
The United States has been attacked, directly, and pulled into war as a result. There is some empathy for what Israel has been through.
Canada has been pulled into war as an obligation as part of the Commonwealth (satellite part of the British Empire, even after "independence"). There is less empathy, as Canadians on the whole have never really experienced what the US and Israel have experienced, at least not in the last 200 years.
I think there is still a culture that says, Hey, chill out, wait it out, everything will be fine.
Of course, that's just an opinion . . . I could be full of shit.[/b]
To be honest?
I think it might have a bit to do with how the country was born.
The United States [b]fought for their independence.
Canada waited until it was granted independence.
The United States has been attacked, directly, and pulled into war as a result. There is some empathy for what Israel has been through.
Canada has been pulled into war as an obligation as part of the Commonwealth (satellite part of the British Empire, even after "independence"). There is less empathy, as Canadians on the whole have never really experienced what the US and Israel have experienced, at least not in the last 200 years.
I think there is still a culture that says, Hey, chill out, wait it out, everything will be fine.
Of course, that's just an opinion . . . I could be full of shit.[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by GrayHam:
I guess it's not that bad.[/b]
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]ETA: Graham, why did you delete your post?
[b]ETA: Graham, why did you delete your post?
At least you had an idea, which is saying a lot more than what some people have offered in this thread ....
Posted by: FSRBIKER
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 06:23 PM
Anyone catch the info about someone in Lebanon complaining about Israel using phosporus which BTW is not against any rules of war.
Now on the other hand the Hezbo's fill there Douchbag rockets full of ball bearings to inflict as much collateral damage as possible as well as fight from inside civilian occopied areas...BOTH big no-no's as agreed upon by the civilized world.
I also heard Newt Gingrich speaking about the 2000+ UN troops that have been in the south of Lebanon since the Israel occupation ended and these troops did nothing to stop the Hezbo's or enforce the UN mandate to disarm the Hezbo's.
Now on the other hand the Hezbo's fill there Douchbag rockets full of ball bearings to inflict as much collateral damage as possible as well as fight from inside civilian occopied areas...BOTH big no-no's as agreed upon by the civilized world.
I also heard Newt Gingrich speaking about the 2000+ UN troops that have been in the south of Lebanon since the Israel occupation ended and these troops did nothing to stop the Hezbo's or enforce the UN mandate to disarm the Hezbo's.
Posted by: BIBXTERRA
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 26/07/06 07:10 PM
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It just didn't suit your agenda to do any explaining.
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It was interesting that she also wrote about the anti-Israeli/pro-jihadist hate propaganda that is prevalent not only in the Middle East, but also here in the West in institutions such as colleges and universities.
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How do you know an IDF soldier wrote that? It was a comment in a blog. It could have been written by anyone, anywhere in the world.
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Considering the fact that Hezbollah, Hamas and the leaders of Iran are NOT reasonable, the likelihood of any lasting peace is a pipe dream of fools.
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The goal of terrorists is not peace. What is shameful and pathetic is that you don't realize that fact.
I think SE4X4 has said it best:
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This seems wrong to me… this war could spread and no good can possibly come out of it – unless you consider millions of Lebanese and Israelis dead after the end of it a good thing?
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 05:35 AM
OK since you guys don't like my Hitler quotes how about one from the other side of the coin.
The realization that another person wishes to harm and hurt you cannot undermine genuine compassion—a compassion based on the clear recognition of that person as someone who has the natural and instinctual desire to seek happiness and overcome suffering, just like oneself.
-His Holiness the Dalai Lama
The realization that another person wishes to harm and hurt you cannot undermine genuine compassion—a compassion based on the clear recognition of that person as someone who has the natural and instinctual desire to seek happiness and overcome suffering, just like oneself.
-His Holiness the Dalai Lama
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 10:04 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by AV Xterra:
OK guys Lebanon and Is"real" are getting really close to catching this thread. Their tactic is to use really big pictures and reply with lots of large quotes, sometimes they break the quote in pieces and reply to each segment separately. I think they're cheating.
OK guys Lebanon and Is"real" are getting really close to catching this thread. Their tactic is to use really big pictures and reply with lots of large quotes, sometimes they break the quote in pieces and reply to each segment separately. I think they're cheating.
Okay, guys, the gauntlet has been thrown down by our friends over in the "Gone But Not Forgotten" thread. Time to pick it up a notch.
How many Canadians does it take to create lasting world peace? Discuss......
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 10:22 AM
Fuck Isreal, they stole the Palestinians land and should get run out.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 10:45 AM
Time for the Crusades - the sequel.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 11:11 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FSRBIKER:
Now on the other hand the Hezbo's fill there Douchbag rockets full of ball bearings to inflict as much collateral damage as possible as well as fight from inside civilian occopied areas...BOTH big no-no's as agreed upon by the civilized world.
I also heard Newt Gingrich speaking about the 2000+ UN troops that have been in the south of Lebanon since the Israel occupation ended and these troops did nothing to stop the Hezbo's or enforce the UN mandate to disarm the Hezbo's.
Now on the other hand the Hezbo's fill there Douchbag rockets full of ball bearings to inflict as much collateral damage as possible as well as fight from inside civilian occopied areas...BOTH big no-no's as agreed upon by the civilized world.
I also heard Newt Gingrich speaking about the 2000+ UN troops that have been in the south of Lebanon since the Israel occupation ended and these troops did nothing to stop the Hezbo's or enforce the UN mandate to disarm the Hezbo's.
UN forces have observed the buildup of Hezbollah in Lebananon. They were fully aware of the construction of the bunkers Hezbollah has built all around S. Lebanon. The UN forces were fully aware of the arms buildup of Hezbollah. Did they share this information with Israel? No they did not. The UN was supposed to be there to prevent Hezbollah's presence in S. Lebanon.
Some UN facts....
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Over the past six years, Israel honored its commitment to peace. The U.N. — disproportionately — required in practice no such compliance on the Lebanese side of the border. The “peacekeepers” of the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon, called UNIFIL, sat passively looking on, costing about $100 million a year and doing nothing to stop Hezbollah from trucking in weapons, digging tunnels, and running the armed protection rackets with which it has kept a grip on swathes of Lebanon, including the southern border with Israel, parts of the Bekaa, and southern Beirut. Before the current fighting, UNIFIL had most recently distinguished itself for a run-of-the-U.N.-mill financial swindle involving a contingent of Ukrainian peacekeeping troops. On that subject, whatever laws might have been violated, the U.N. has — as usual with U.N. scams — refused to release details. Now, UNIFIL peacekeepers have been reduced to casualties of the crossfire, while Secretary-General Kofi Annan urges that we take what the U.N. has done wrong already, and do more of it.
With its false promises, and disproportionate deals for “peace,” the U.N. left Israel exposed to the attack that has now come, and a war that Israel did not seek. Like America when attacked by al Qaeda, Israel has been fighting back. In response, U.N. officials have come close to trampling each other in their stampede to the media microphones — not to admit the U.N.’s own failure to stop Hezbollah, not to apologize for administering a phony peace that incubated this miserable war, but to denounce Israel.
With its false promises, and disproportionate deals for “peace,” the U.N. left Israel exposed to the attack that has now come, and a war that Israel did not seek. Like America when attacked by al Qaeda, Israel has been fighting back. In response, U.N. officials have come close to trampling each other in their stampede to the media microphones — not to admit the U.N.’s own failure to stop Hezbollah, not to apologize for administering a phony peace that incubated this miserable war, but to denounce Israel.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
The UN aids and abets the Hezbollah terrorist organization. Why does the corrupt Kofi Anann meet with the terrorist Nasrallah? Hezbollah is not a country. It's not a state. It's a terrorist organization with one goal... the destruction of a member state of the UN.
Again, a picture is worth a thousand words. The corrupt leader of the UN shaking hands and hobknobbing with one of the world's most notorious terrorists.
Kofi Anan cries when an Israeli bomb lands on a UN outpost. His hatred of Israel and support for terrorists keeps him from telling the entire story, regardless of the fact that UNIFIL press releases say otherwise.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr04.pdf
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr08.pdf
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr09.pdf
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr010.pdf
Anann ignores that Hezbollah is firing from positions right next to UN outposts. He also fails to complain about Hezbollah mortars landing on UN positions...
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Another UN position of the Ghanaian battalion in the area of Marwahin in the western sector was also directly hit by one mortar round from the Hezbollah side last night. The round did not explode, and there were no casualties or material damage. Another 5 incidents of firing close to UN positions from the Israeli side were reported yesterday. It was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Alma ash Shab, Tibnin, Brashit, and At Tiri. All UNIFIL positions remain occupied and maintained by the troops.
The NY Sun reports on a Canadian soldiers observation of the warzone....
http://www.nysun.com/article/36860
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A Canadian U.N. observer, one of four killed at a UNIFIL position near the southern Lebanese town of Khiyam on Tuesday, sent an e-mail to his former commander, a Canadian retired major-general, Lewis MacKenzie, in which he wrote that Hezbollah fighters were "all over" the U.N. position, Mr. MacKenzie said. Hezbollah troops, not the United Nations, were Israel's target, the deceased observer wrote.
The UN needs to get out of the warzone. They are a problem. They already allowed a terrorist army to buildup men and arms and fly their flag next to theirs. With the removal of the UN from S. Lebanon we can then eliminate the UN as collaborators with Hezbollah.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 11:27 AM
Great post man. That sums up the UN situation well. I have only heard a couple of tidbits about it. Thanks.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Great post man. That sums up the UN situation well. I have only heard a couple of tidbits about it. Thanks.
Great post man. That sums up the UN situation well. I have only heard a couple of tidbits about it. Thanks.
The Chinese are there to spy and evaluate the weaponry being used.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2986
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:16 PM
Could it be that Americans are sheep who's thoughts and opinions are molded by their Government who really is run by Halliburton and all the other arms manufactures?. The quest to become the modern times new Roman Empire is neatly wrapped in words like "Freedom", "Democracy" and Axis of Evil when in fact your 900 billion defence budget is just padding the pocket of your so call "Social Elite" while your countrymen are sacrificing their lives for a cause we all know is now the new Vietman that will end in a rightious pull out of Iraq with everyone declaring victory...
Just a thought....discuss
Just a thought....discuss
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Could it be that Americans are sheep who's thoughts and opinions are molded by their Government who really is run by Halliburton and all the other arms manufactures?. The quest to become the modern times new Roman Empire is neatly wrapped in words like "Freedom", "Democracy" and Axis of Evil when in fact your 900 billion defence budget is just padding the pocket of your so call "Social Elite" while your countrymen are sacrificing their lives for a cause we all know is now the new Vietman that will end in a rightious pull out of Iraq with everyone declaring victory...
Just a thought....discuss
Could it be that Americans are sheep who's thoughts and opinions are molded by their Government who really is run by Halliburton and all the other arms manufactures?. The quest to become the modern times new Roman Empire is neatly wrapped in words like "Freedom", "Democracy" and Axis of Evil when in fact your 900 billion defence budget is just padding the pocket of your so call "Social Elite" while your countrymen are sacrificing their lives for a cause we all know is now the new Vietman that will end in a rightious pull out of Iraq with everyone declaring victory...
Just a thought....discuss
There was a time when you occasionally posted rational and intelligent posts. I guess times have changed.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Obviously 'thought' was something that did not occur within you prior to your posting of that tripe.
There was a time when you occasionally posted rational and intelligent posts. I guess times have changed.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]Could it be that Americans are sheep who's thoughts and opinions are molded by their Government who really is run by Halliburton and all the other arms manufactures?. The quest to become the modern times new Roman Empire is neatly wrapped in words like "Freedom", "Democracy" and Axis of Evil when in fact your 900 billion defence budget is just padding the pocket of your so call "Social Elite" while your countrymen are sacrificing their lives for a cause we all know is now the new Vietman that will end in a rightious pull out of Iraq with everyone declaring victory...
Just a thought....discuss
[b]Could it be that Americans are sheep who's thoughts and opinions are molded by their Government who really is run by Halliburton and all the other arms manufactures?. The quest to become the modern times new Roman Empire is neatly wrapped in words like "Freedom", "Democracy" and Axis of Evil when in fact your 900 billion defence budget is just padding the pocket of your so call "Social Elite" while your countrymen are sacrificing their lives for a cause we all know is now the new Vietman that will end in a rightious pull out of Iraq with everyone declaring victory...
Just a thought....discuss
There was a time when you occasionally posted rational and intelligent posts. I guess times have changed.[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Just a thought....discuss
Just a thought....discuss
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Obviously 'thought' was something that did not occur within you prior to your posting of that tripe.
There was a time when you occasionally posted rational and intelligent posts. I guess times have changed.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]Could it be that Americans are sheep who's thoughts and opinions are molded by their Government who really is run by Halliburton and all the other arms manufactures?. The quest to become the modern times new Roman Empire is neatly wrapped in words like "Freedom", "Democracy" and Axis of Evil when in fact your 900 billion defence budget is just padding the pocket of your so call "Social Elite" while your countrymen are sacrificing their lives for a cause we all know is now the new Vietman that will end in a rightious pull out of Iraq with everyone declaring victory...
Just a thought....discuss
[b]Could it be that Americans are sheep who's thoughts and opinions are molded by their Government who really is run by Halliburton and all the other arms manufactures?. The quest to become the modern times new Roman Empire is neatly wrapped in words like "Freedom", "Democracy" and Axis of Evil when in fact your 900 billion defence budget is just padding the pocket of your so call "Social Elite" while your countrymen are sacrificing their lives for a cause we all know is now the new Vietman that will end in a rightious pull out of Iraq with everyone declaring victory...
Just a thought....discuss
There was a time when you occasionally posted rational and intelligent posts. I guess times have changed.[/b]
I watched "why we fight"
I watched my buddy on the front page of the National post carry his soldiers coffin in Afghanistan
I watch Children writing messages on Bombs who kill other children
I see the great quest for the liberation of Iraq going nowhere
I see people dying of starvation in 3rd world countries for centuries, yet no one gives a flying fuck.
The world is becoming one big pyle of shit. positive progress is nowhere.....
Take a side, Lebanon (Hezbollah) or Israel I can guarantee you none of them are squeaky clean, the losers in all this, Civilians innocent people who are trapped, makes me fucking sick.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayHam:
or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
The thought crossed my mind, but I'm not familiar enough with his views.... I actually generally find him intelligent.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayHam:
[b]or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
[b]or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
Maybe he was sincere, based on his last post to Madman.
But he's never shied away from flamewars, and inciting them. So I wonder . . .
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayHam:
. . . or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
. . . or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
But I'm also aware of his politics and his tendency towards moonbattery.
As was previously mentioned in this thread... he's one of the "Canadians".
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayHam:
Give him a couple more posts.
Maybe he was sincere, based on his last post to Madman.
But he's never shied away from flamewars, and inciting them. So I wonder . . .[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]The thought crossed my mind, but I'm not familiar enough with his views.... I actually generally find him intelligent.[/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayHam:
[b]or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
[b]or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
Maybe he was sincere, based on his last post to Madman.
But he's never shied away from flamewars, and inciting them. So I wonder . . .[/b]
do not get me wrong. I would love for Iraq, afghanistan,Israel Lebanon and all the other armpit countries to be green pastures with humming birds and big titted flower girls but it ain;t going to happen, not by force not by anymeans. So why are we (I say we as my fellow countrymen are in it too) wasting resources ?.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
That thought did cross my mind.
But I'm also aware of his politics and his tendency towards moonbattery.
As was previously mentioned in this thread... he's one of the "Canadians".[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayHam:
[b]. . . or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
[b]. . . or he could be bored and posting an obviously inflammatory line of crap designed to push a button and elicit a response . . .
But I'm also aware of his politics and his tendency towards moonbattery.
As was previously mentioned in this thread... he's one of the "Canadians".[/b]
Give me your prediction to the outcome of:
The current shit in Israel
The current shit in Iraq
The Current shit in Afghanistan
I will save your reply and open it again in 8 years, then look you up and buy you a hooker and a steak dinner if ANY of your predictions came through....
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:57 PM
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Serious as a heart attack. I am not taking sides with anyone in this just saying the fucking senseless waste of human life and cash has got to stop.
Serious as a heart attack. I am not taking sides with anyone in this just saying the fucking senseless waste of human life and cash has got to stop.
By not taking sides, you are either displaying ignorance of the facts of the conflict or you are supporting and legitimizing the terrorist organization Hezbollah.
Maybe it's a Canadian thing.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
I am not taking sides with anyone in this just saying the fucking senseless waste of human life and cash has got to stop. I am dumbfounded that American's still applaude what is going on, while their government is digging a hole for their future that will impact life for each of you for years to come.
do not get me wrong. I would love for Iraq, afghanistan,Israel Lebanon and all the other armpit countries to be green pastures with humming birds and big titted flower girls but it ain;t going to happen, not by force not by anymeans. So why are we (I say we as my fellow countrymen are in it too) wasting resources ?.
I am not taking sides with anyone in this just saying the fucking senseless waste of human life and cash has got to stop. I am dumbfounded that American's still applaude what is going on, while their government is digging a hole for their future that will impact life for each of you for years to come.
do not get me wrong. I would love for Iraq, afghanistan,Israel Lebanon and all the other armpit countries to be green pastures with humming birds and big titted flower girls but it ain;t going to happen, not by force not by anymeans. So why are we (I say we as my fellow countrymen are in it too) wasting resources ?.
The current situation with international terrorism and radical Islam require some sort of action, however.
I'm a personal pacifist, but I'm pragmatic enough to understand that this shit isn't just going to go away if you close your eyes and hum a happy tune to yourself.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 01:06 PM
We are 'wasting' resources, because they want to kill us all. They have made it very plain. If you are not an Islamofacist they want you to die. It is just like the Crusades all over again. They started it, and the West finished it. Unfortunately we are to pussy to do what it takes to punish them enough so they give up for another 1,000 years.
Go read Zawahiri's comments on this new tape, and come back to us with the same attitude.
Go read Zawahiri's comments on this new tape, and come back to us with the same attitude.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Hey Madman,
Give me your prediction to the outcome of:
The current shit in Israel
The current shit in Iraq
The Current shit in Afghanistan
Hey Madman,
Give me your prediction to the outcome of:
The current shit in Israel
The current shit in Iraq
The Current shit in Afghanistan
All are problems because of one thing... radical Islam.
Until everyone in the West inhales a deep dose of reality, nothing is going to be a good outcome.
Radical Islam currently derives much of it's strength from people in the West. Without the ignorance and cowardice of many in the West, radical Islam would be defeated fairly easily. Moral relativism and suicidal notions of multiculturalism strengthen the enemy and provide cover.
Many people in the West are going to die from future terrorist attacks perpetrated by radical Islam. It's going to happen whether you believe it or not because too many people refuse to believe and openly identify radical Islam as the enemy.
I'm inclined to believe you are one of those people. You are part of the problem. You are not part of the solution.
Quote:
I will save your reply and open it again in 8 years, then look you up and buy you a hooker and a steak dinner if ANY of your predictions came through....
I've already known too many people who have been murdered because of radical Islam.
At the level of the blind complacency and ignorance I see, in eight years I'll be buying you a steak... and you'll be telling me I was right.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
You know Claus, in a perfect world I wish that we (or any other Western colonial power) never stepped foot in the Mid East. Westerners have a long history of sticking their dicks where they don't belong.
The current situation with international terrorism and radical Islam require some sort of action, however.
I'm a personal pacifist, but I'm pragmatic enough to understand that this shit isn't just going to go away if you close your eyes and hum a happy tune to yourself.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b] I am not taking sides with anyone in this just saying the fucking senseless waste of human life and cash has got to stop. I am dumbfounded that American's still applaude what is going on, while their government is digging a hole for their future that will impact life for each of you for years to come.
do not get me wrong. I would love for Iraq, afghanistan,Israel Lebanon and all the other armpit countries to be green pastures with humming birds and big titted flower girls but it ain;t going to happen, not by force not by anymeans. So why are we (I say we as my fellow countrymen are in it too) wasting resources ?.
[b] I am not taking sides with anyone in this just saying the fucking senseless waste of human life and cash has got to stop. I am dumbfounded that American's still applaude what is going on, while their government is digging a hole for their future that will impact life for each of you for years to come.
do not get me wrong. I would love for Iraq, afghanistan,Israel Lebanon and all the other armpit countries to be green pastures with humming birds and big titted flower girls but it ain;t going to happen, not by force not by anymeans. So why are we (I say we as my fellow countrymen are in it too) wasting resources ?.
The current situation with international terrorism and radical Islam require some sort of action, however.
I'm a personal pacifist, but I'm pragmatic enough to understand that this shit isn't just going to go away if you close your eyes and hum a happy tune to yourself.[/b]
The situation has been what it is for years so why now is there a need to roll out the big guns?. can we not contain the shit in their own countries without having to waste lives and $$?.
I am not a politician (thank fucking christ)
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I'll give my prediction.
All are problems because of one thing... radical Islam.
Until everyone in the West inhales a deep dose of reality, nothing is going to be a good outcome.
Radical Islam currently derives much of it's strength from people in the West. Without the ignorance and cowardice of many in the West, radical Islam would be defeated fairly easily. Moral relativism and suicidal notions of multiculturalism strengthen the enemy and provide cover.
Many people in the West are going to die from future terrorist attacks perpetrated by radical Islam. It's going to happen whether you believe it or not because too many people refuse to believe and openly identify radical Islam as the enemy.
I'm inclined to believe you are one of those people. You are part of the problem. You are not part of the solution.
Keep your hookers and your steak.
I've already known too many people who have been murdered because of radical Islam.
At the level of the blind complacency and ignorance I see, in eight years I'll be buying you a steak... and you'll be telling me I was right.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]Hey Madman,
Give me your prediction to the outcome of:
The current shit in Israel
The current shit in Iraq
The Current shit in Afghanistan
[b]Hey Madman,
Give me your prediction to the outcome of:
The current shit in Israel
The current shit in Iraq
The Current shit in Afghanistan
All are problems because of one thing... radical Islam.
Until everyone in the West inhales a deep dose of reality, nothing is going to be a good outcome.
Radical Islam currently derives much of it's strength from people in the West. Without the ignorance and cowardice of many in the West, radical Islam would be defeated fairly easily. Moral relativism and suicidal notions of multiculturalism strengthen the enemy and provide cover.
Many people in the West are going to die from future terrorist attacks perpetrated by radical Islam. It's going to happen whether you believe it or not because too many people refuse to believe and openly identify radical Islam as the enemy.
I'm inclined to believe you are one of those people. You are part of the problem. You are not part of the solution.
Quote:
I will save your reply and open it again in 8 years, then look you up and buy you a hooker and a steak dinner if ANY of your predictions came through....
I've already known too many people who have been murdered because of radical Islam.
At the level of the blind complacency and ignorance I see, in eight years I'll be buying you a steak... and you'll be telling me I was right.[/b]
So are we doomed or is there a solution?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Moral relativism and suicidal notions of multiculturalism strengthen the enemy and provide cover.
Moral relativism and suicidal notions of multiculturalism strengthen the enemy and provide cover.
Quote:
Many people in the West are going to die from future terrorist attacks perpetrated by radical Islam. It's going to happen whether you believe it or not because too many people refuse to believe and openly identify radical Islam as the enemy.
I will give one definitive prediction: Europe will be completely destroyed by radical Islam unless people start standing up to these Islamofacists. In North America, we don't have to deal with the burgeoning Muslim populations as Europe does..... yet.
Watching the recent French riots and the pathetic responses by the French government ... it certainly doesn't look good. We live in a world where everyone is too afraid of being called a bigot or intolerant to stand up against tangible evil and to fight for what is right. Until that changes, these sick radical Islam fucks will reign their terror upon the Western world and their own populations.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 02:03 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
or are your views more one of racial hate in a "let's kill all the fuckers kindaway"?.
or are your views more one of racial hate in a "let's kill all the fuckers kindaway"?.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 02:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Then give me your view on how Radical Islam"izm" can be defeated or are your views more one of racial hate in a "let's kill all the fuckers kindaway"?. I value your views and "most" of your post are well thought out , hence my question. Surely you must agree that fighting Radical Muslim terrorists, using conventional methods of war would mean conducting war in almost every country on earth including your own
So are we doomed or is there a solution?
Then give me your view on how Radical Islam"izm" can be defeated or are your views more one of racial hate in a "let's kill all the fuckers kindaway"?. I value your views and "most" of your post are well thought out , hence my question. Surely you must agree that fighting Radical Muslim terrorists, using conventional methods of war would mean conducting war in almost every country on earth including your own
So are we doomed or is there a solution?
Openly declaring the "War on Terror" a war on radical Islam would be the first step and would go a long way to solving some problems. Even the farce known as the "9-11 Commission" stated this fact.
But then we have to overcome the cowardice aspect of Westerners. Too many people are willing to placate the complaints of radical Islamic groups like CAIR who are known jihadist supporters and who have members and some founders in jail for terrorism.
We have a morally bankrupt media who refuses to educate the public on the facts. We have idealogically corrupt politicians who refuse to allow law enforcement to "profile" terrorist suspects. Profiling Muslims is not bigoted when the majority of Muslim leaders openly support jihad and terrorism. Didn't England learn that the hard way?
We have idiots in Denmark who are allowing a radical Imam back into their country who was responsible for the burning of the Danish Embassy in Lebanon by inciting riots from the cartoons five months ago.
http://bibelen.blogspot.com/2006/07/akkari-and-danish-flag.html
Not allowing these radical Imams in the West would also be a good start.
The West is on a path to suicide. All over Europe people are being prevented and even charged with crimes for insulting Islam. All the while Muslims are allowed to preach hate and jihad against the West.
That shit is starting to take hold here in the US too. Your country Canada is gravely guilty of this type of policy.
There are many things the West could be doing. Unfortunately common sense has been destroyed by suicidal political notions.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 02:23 PM
Claus, they aren't fighting for a better life. They are fighting to kill all non-Islamofacists.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Claus, they aren't fighting for a better life. They are fighting to kill all non-Islamofacists.
Claus, they aren't fighting for a better life. They are fighting to kill all non-Islamofacists.
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 02:28 PM
Exactly. This isn't a race thing. This isn't a nationality thing. This is a religious zealot thing.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Exactly. This isn't a race thing. This isn't a nationality thing. This is a religious zealot thing.
Exactly. This isn't a race thing. This isn't a nationality thing. This is a religious zealot thing.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
If anyone thinks that Jizbowla gives two shits about a single Lebonese civilian that has died, then they are suffering from a mental disease. Groups like Hezbollah WANT civilians to die because it fuels their twisted campaigns of indocrinating hate in future terorrists.It's nothing but good PR for their fundamentalist hate movements. It's a tool to win people to their side. Such casualties also serve the added bonus purpose of stirring up the bleeding hearts in the Western media, which implodes and undermines any popular resolve to combat these whackos.
If anyone thinks that Jizbowla gives two shits about a single Lebonese civilian that has died, then they are suffering from a mental disease. Groups like Hezbollah WANT civilians to die because it fuels their twisted campaigns of indocrinating hate in future terorrists.It's nothing but good PR for their fundamentalist hate movements. It's a tool to win people to their side. Such casualties also serve the added bonus purpose of stirring up the bleeding hearts in the Western media, which implodes and undermines any popular resolve to combat these whackos.
Claus become mad when the UN's role in the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict was called into question.
People like Claus absolutely refuse to believe that the UN is anything but an organization for good. The established proof of corruption and the numerous allegations of further far reaching corruption regarding the UN are anathema to him and people like him.
That is another problem. Not only regarding the UN and it's support and turning a blind eye to Islamic terrorism, but blind support for the very same UN in the West is a huge problem.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 03:10 PM
Yup. I'll repeat my sentiments previously expressed back on page 8 regarding "The League of Nations, Episode II: The Failure Strikes Back":
Sorry, UN fans, I'm not joining the Dark Side.
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
The UN is a congregation of sycophants, appeasers, and retards. It's completely irrelevant in the world of realpolitik.
The UN is a congregation of sycophants, appeasers, and retards. It's completely irrelevant in the world of realpolitik.
Sorry, UN fans, I'm not joining the Dark Side.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 03:35 PM
Wow. 23 pages of political crap about two countries halfway around the world. You guys really need to get out more. Because whats better then complaining about whats going on around the world? Beer, sex, watching your girlfriend make out with some stripper in front of the whole bar, more beer, some Beam, and to top it all off, more sex. Now, for those of you who have forgotten, its called pussy. Every woman has one, some will let you play with it. Now go play!!!!
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 03:47 PM
Clause, are you suggesting we sit back and do nothing? Please share with us the wonderful wisdom of Canada or Denmark on the subject.
I guess we should just not give a fuck, pay $5 per gallon of gas, let them kill whoever they please on our own soil, and kneel to Allah 5 times a day.
Radical Islam is a scourge on the planet. Don't you see what's happening? Venezuela, Cuba, N. Korea, Iran, Syria, some of the former Soviet republics, etc....they're all unifying against the west. Do you think Canada would be spared?
Think again.
I guess we should just not give a fuck, pay $5 per gallon of gas, let them kill whoever they please on our own soil, and kneel to Allah 5 times a day.
Radical Islam is a scourge on the planet. Don't you see what's happening? Venezuela, Cuba, N. Korea, Iran, Syria, some of the former Soviet republics, etc....they're all unifying against the west. Do you think Canada would be spared?
Think again.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NebraskaXterra:
Wow. 23 pages of political crap about two countries halfway around the world. You guys really need to get out more. Because whats better then complaining about whats going on around the world? Beer, sex, watching your girlfriend make out with some stripper in front of the whole bar, more beer, some Beam, and to top it all off, more sex. Now, for those of you who have forgotten, its called pussy. Every woman has one, some will let you play with it. Now go play!!!!
Wow. 23 pages of political crap about two countries halfway around the world. You guys really need to get out more. Because whats better then complaining about whats going on around the world? Beer, sex, watching your girlfriend make out with some stripper in front of the whole bar, more beer, some Beam, and to top it all off, more sex. Now, for those of you who have forgotten, its called pussy. Every woman has one, some will let you play with it. Now go play!!!!
Besides, maybe we already got our pussy today and now want to debate politics because our minds are capable of so much more than 5 seconds of squirting spunk on the sheets....
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
One other thing that needs mentioning.
Claus become mad when the UN's role in the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict was called into question.
People like Claus absolutely refuse to believe that the UN is anything but an organization for good. The established proof of corruption and the numerous allegations of further far reaching corruption regarding the UN are anathema to him and people like him.
That is another problem. Not only regarding the UN and it's support and turning a blind eye to Islamic terrorism, but blind support for the very same UN in the West is a huge problem.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]If anyone thinks that Jizbowla gives two shits about a single Lebonese civilian that has died, then they are suffering from a mental disease. Groups like Hezbollah WANT civilians to die because it fuels their twisted campaigns of indocrinating hate in future terorrists.It's nothing but good PR for their fundamentalist hate movements. It's a tool to win people to their side. Such casualties also serve the added bonus purpose of stirring up the bleeding hearts in the Western media, which implodes and undermines any popular resolve to combat these whackos.
[b]If anyone thinks that Jizbowla gives two shits about a single Lebonese civilian that has died, then they are suffering from a mental disease. Groups like Hezbollah WANT civilians to die because it fuels their twisted campaigns of indocrinating hate in future terorrists.It's nothing but good PR for their fundamentalist hate movements. It's a tool to win people to their side. Such casualties also serve the added bonus purpose of stirring up the bleeding hearts in the Western media, which implodes and undermines any popular resolve to combat these whackos.
Claus become mad when the UN's role in the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict was called into question.
People like Claus absolutely refuse to believe that the UN is anything but an organization for good. The established proof of corruption and the numerous allegations of further far reaching corruption regarding the UN are anathema to him and people like him.
That is another problem. Not only regarding the UN and it's support and turning a blind eye to Islamic terrorism, but blind support for the very same UN in the West is a huge problem.[/b]
So they Bombed a UN post, Normally the UN observers have packed up after the first bullet has been fired. As far as I am concerned collateral dammage in war is to be expected ( I hate to see children being killed).
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Desert_Rat:
Clause, are you suggesting we sit back and do nothing? Please share with us the wonderful wisdom of Canada or Denmark on the subject.
I guess we should just not give a fuck, pay $5 per gallon of gas, let them kill whoever they please on our own soil, and kneel to Allah 5 times a day.
Radical Islam is a scourge on the planet. Don't you see what's happening? Venezuela, Cuba, N. Korea, Iran, Syria, some of the former Soviet republics, etc....they're all unifying against the west. Do you think Canada would be spared?
Think again.
Clause, are you suggesting we sit back and do nothing? Please share with us the wonderful wisdom of Canada or Denmark on the subject.
I guess we should just not give a fuck, pay $5 per gallon of gas, let them kill whoever they please on our own soil, and kneel to Allah 5 times a day.
Radical Islam is a scourge on the planet. Don't you see what's happening? Venezuela, Cuba, N. Korea, Iran, Syria, some of the former Soviet republics, etc....they're all unifying against the west. Do you think Canada would be spared?
Think again.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 05:57 PM
It was a generalization of not just the crap going on between Lebanon and Israel, but instead the whole Islamofascist issue facing the world, and I pointed out other countries who are more than willing to look beyond the fact that these are just murderous thugs and join their cause against the west.
Oh, and BTW,
Oh, and BTW,
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
ONow wait a fucking minute. Where the fuck did you read that?. I have told you before I have served on more than 1 UN mission and how fucking disgusted I was with the lack of backbone and organisation of any kind...Why do you feel the need to lie?.
So they Bombed a UN post, Normally the UN observers have packed up after the first bullet has been fired. As far as I am concerned collateral dammage in war is to be expected ( I hate to see children being killed).
ONow wait a fucking minute. Where the fuck did you read that?. I have told you before I have served on more than 1 UN mission and how fucking disgusted I was with the lack of backbone and organisation of any kind...Why do you feel the need to lie?.
So they Bombed a UN post, Normally the UN observers have packed up after the first bullet has been fired. As far as I am concerned collateral dammage in war is to be expected ( I hate to see children being killed).
You re-entered this thread with bizzare lunatic bullshit directly after posts regarding the UN involvement.
Discussing UN involvement in the Hezbollah-Israeli War incited you to do nothing but post an insane lunatic rant attacking the US.
Why do you feel the need to repeat every bit of idiotic lunacy that passes your eyes or ears? If you didn't subscribe to that train of thought, you wouldn't post it.
You may have complained about UN missions in the past, but like a child protecting his mother, you are also always the first to defend that corrupt organization. You've always seemed to take personal offense whenever the UN's corruptions and nefarious motivations are brought to light.
You're an internationalist. That is always a liability in viewing world problems with any sense of clarity.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 07:15 PM
It seems that many of you have come to the consensus that it’s us against an easily identifiable them. Nothing will sway you from this view, so I am throwing in the towel - I am with you
I'll say it.. You’re right.
Do we really think creating a buffer zone around Israel will help with the world terror situation? No!
We must go beat the fuckers to a bleeding tattered pulp in their breeding grounds. Pushing them further back will only delay the inevitable when Iran gets the bomb, and I hear Pakistan already has it!
Except it may be hard to tell when you have won. As long as you leave one friend or relative of someone from the islamofascists alive there is a chance that they will rally again and cause terror.
You’ll really have to use nuclear (Pronunciation: 'n(y)ü-klE-&r) weapons (of mass destruction) to be sure you have won. We have to beat them so overwhelmingly and convincingly that they have no hope of doing this shit again.
Oh wait – there are relatives of those you’ll be killing living on North American soil. Perhaps make them wear a black armband to identify them – we don’t want them causing any trouble in our population. So perhaps it would be better to kill them first, that way you’ll avoid any American lives lost when those SOB’s turn against you – I suggest gathering them up and shoving them all in big gas ovens. It’s cleaner, more humane and less wasteful.
Once you have nuked all Islamic countries (Hey, I hear 20% of Israel’s population is, and don’t forget Bosnia – where more than 50% is muslim) you have to send in troops to slay the rest – if you find any children alive you can re-educate them if they are young enough, but if they are over 8 chances are this will fail so why bother – just murder them all – hey – they would have done it to you – right. Then we will have true world peace where no one will die in terror ever again.
Is this what you want to hear? Just common sense, right. This is what I have been reading for the past few pages, did I do a good job of summarizing?
Hey, I'm with you! Does that please you?
I'll say it.. You’re right.
Do we really think creating a buffer zone around Israel will help with the world terror situation? No!
We must go beat the fuckers to a bleeding tattered pulp in their breeding grounds. Pushing them further back will only delay the inevitable when Iran gets the bomb, and I hear Pakistan already has it!
Except it may be hard to tell when you have won. As long as you leave one friend or relative of someone from the islamofascists alive there is a chance that they will rally again and cause terror.
You’ll really have to use nuclear (Pronunciation: 'n(y)ü-klE-&r) weapons (of mass destruction) to be sure you have won. We have to beat them so overwhelmingly and convincingly that they have no hope of doing this shit again.
Oh wait – there are relatives of those you’ll be killing living on North American soil. Perhaps make them wear a black armband to identify them – we don’t want them causing any trouble in our population. So perhaps it would be better to kill them first, that way you’ll avoid any American lives
lost when those SOB’s turn against you – I suggest gathering them up and shoving them all in big gas ovens. It’s cleaner, more humane and less wasteful. Once you have nuked all Islamic countries (Hey, I hear 20% of Israel’s population is, and don’t forget Bosnia – where more than 50% is muslim) you have to send in troops to slay the rest – if you find any children alive you can re-educate them if they are young enough, but if they are over 8 chances are this will fail so why bother – just murder them all – hey – they would have done it to you – right. Then we will have true world peace
where no one will die in terror ever again. Is this what you want to hear? Just common sense, right. This is what I have been reading for the past few pages, did I do a good job of summarizing?
Hey, I'm with you! Does that please you?
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
It seems that many of you have come to the consensus that it’s us against an easily identifiable them.
It seems that many of you have come to the consensus that it’s us against an easily identifiable them.
The enemy is very vocal. They are clear with their objectives. The enemy is only unidentifiable to fools.
How shall we identify you? You seem to be proclaiming yourself as very identifiable.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Is something wrong with you? Who do you think the enemy is? Who do you think Israel is fighting?
The enemy is very vocal. They are clear with their objectives. The enemy is only unidentifiable to fools.
How shall we identify you? You seem to be proclaiming yourself as very identifiable.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
[b]It seems that many of you have come to the consensus that it’s us against an easily identifiable them.
[b]It seems that many of you have come to the consensus that it’s us against an easily identifiable them.
The enemy is very vocal. They are clear with their objectives. The enemy is only unidentifiable to fools.
How shall we identify you? You seem to be proclaiming yourself as very identifiable.[/b]
A simple canadian imagrant fool like me cannot possibly be as smart as a superior hawkish 'merican like yourself. I told you the enemy is the Islamofascists - as you say yourself. They are everyone that has been killed so far in lebanon. And if those people have friends and family in america then they are the enemy too. What part was not clear? You are the winner, congratulations.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I haven't lied about anything Claus.
You re-entered this thread with bizzare lunatic bullshit directly after posts regarding the UN involvement.
Discussing UN involvement in the Hezbollah-Israeli War incited you to do nothing but post an insane lunatic rant attacking the US.
Why do you feel the need to repeat every bit of idiotic lunacy that passes your eyes or ears? If you didn't subscribe to that train of thought, you wouldn't post it.
You may have complained about UN missions in the past, but like a child protecting his mother, you are also always the first to defend that corrupt organization. You've always seemed to take personal offense whenever the UN's corruptions and nefarious motivations are brought to light.
You're an internationalist. That is always a liability in viewing world problems with any sense of clarity.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]ONow wait a fucking minute. Where the fuck did you read that?. I have told you before I have served on more than 1 UN mission and how fucking disgusted I was with the lack of backbone and organisation of any kind...Why do you feel the need to lie?.
So they Bombed a UN post, Normally the UN observers have packed up after the first bullet has been fired. As far as I am concerned collateral dammage in war is to be expected ( I hate to see children being killed).
[b]ONow wait a fucking minute. Where the fuck did you read that?. I have told you before I have served on more than 1 UN mission and how fucking disgusted I was with the lack of backbone and organisation of any kind...Why do you feel the need to lie?.
So they Bombed a UN post, Normally the UN observers have packed up after the first bullet has been fired. As far as I am concerned collateral dammage in war is to be expected ( I hate to see children being killed).
You re-entered this thread with bizzare lunatic bullshit directly after posts regarding the UN involvement.
Discussing UN involvement in the Hezbollah-Israeli War incited you to do nothing but post an insane lunatic rant attacking the US.
Why do you feel the need to repeat every bit of idiotic lunacy that passes your eyes or ears? If you didn't subscribe to that train of thought, you wouldn't post it.
You may have complained about UN missions in the past, but like a child protecting his mother, you are also always the first to defend that corrupt organization. You've always seemed to take personal offense whenever the UN's corruptions and nefarious motivations are brought to light.
You're an internationalist. That is always a liability in viewing world problems with any sense of clarity.[/b]
You know what I still admire your strong nationalistic fanatism, you would have been a great Nazi
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 08:44 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Sir, I appologized to you - I was very wrong... and you got to see me eat crow.
A simple canadian imagrant fool like me cannot possibly be as smart as a superior hawkish 'merican like yourself. I told you the enemy is the Islamofascists - as you say yourself. They are everyone that has been killed so far in lebanon. And if those people have friends and family in america then they are the enemy too. What part was not clear? You are the winner, congratulations.
Sir, I appologized to you - I was very wrong... and you got to see me eat crow.
A simple canadian imagrant fool like me cannot possibly be as smart as a superior hawkish 'merican like yourself. I told you the enemy is the Islamofascists - as you say yourself. They are everyone that has been killed so far in lebanon. And if those people have friends and family in america then they are the enemy too. What part was not clear? You are the winner, congratulations.
You may be a simple Canadian fool as you have described yourself. Your sarcasm and wiseass remarks are also not lost.
However, "Simple" and "Fool" are apt descriptions of yourself in which I concur.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
find one post where I have defended the UN's lack of effectivness, Internationalist eh?, I would translate that to being worldly, thank you for the compliment. You should leave that bedroom office of yours, pack a bag and discover that there is a world full of people who are trying to shake your hand and not hit you, You can wear a stars and Stripe pin and not feel like you are a target. wake the fuck up.
You know what I still admire your strong nationalistic fanatism, you would have been a great Nazi
find one post where I have defended the UN's lack of effectivness, Internationalist eh?, I would translate that to being worldly, thank you for the compliment. You should leave that bedroom office of yours, pack a bag and discover that there is a world full of people who are trying to shake your hand and not hit you, You can wear a stars and Stripe pin and not feel like you are a target. wake the fuck up.
You know what I still admire your strong nationalistic fanatism, you would have been a great Nazi
That's the Claus version of debate when the brain is empty. I was wrong about you. I thought you were a little better than those of your political ilk who typically use the term "Nazi" when they have no argument defending their position.
I also find it quite ironic that an individual like you who was spawned by .... and whose people were Nazi appeasers and collaborators would have the gumption to call anyone a Nazi. Especially someone whose people had the actual courage to fight the Nazi's.
Maybe the saying "What's Old is New Again" is true in your case.
For a while I thought a little differently of you. I was wrong. You're nothing but a piece of shit Claus.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
So it comes to this. Your mind is so vacuous and possibly polluted, you have nothing to say but to sink so low as to call me a Nazi.
That's the Claus version of debate when the brain is empty. I was wrong about you. I thought you were a little better than those of your political ilk who typically use the term "Nazi" when they have no argument defending their position.
I also find it quite ironic that an individual like you who was spawned by .... and whose people were Nazi appeasers and collaborators would have the gumption to call anyone a Nazi. Especially someone whose people had the actual courage to fight the Nazi's.
Maybe the saying "What's Old is New Again" is true in your case.
For a while I thought a little differently of you. I was wrong. You're nothing but a piece of shit Claus.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]find one post where I have defended the UN's lack of effectivness, Internationalist eh?, I would translate that to being worldly, thank you for the compliment. You should leave that bedroom office of yours, pack a bag and discover that there is a world full of people who are trying to shake your hand and not hit you, You can wear a stars and Stripe pin and not feel like you are a target. wake the fuck up.
You know what I still admire your strong nationalistic fanatism, you would have been a great Nazi
[b]find one post where I have defended the UN's lack of effectivness, Internationalist eh?, I would translate that to being worldly, thank you for the compliment. You should leave that bedroom office of yours, pack a bag and discover that there is a world full of people who are trying to shake your hand and not hit you, You can wear a stars and Stripe pin and not feel like you are a target. wake the fuck up.
You know what I still admire your strong nationalistic fanatism, you would have been a great Nazi
That's the Claus version of debate when the brain is empty. I was wrong about you. I thought you were a little better than those of your political ilk who typically use the term "Nazi" when they have no argument defending their position.
I also find it quite ironic that an individual like you who was spawned by .... and whose people were Nazi appeasers and collaborators would have the gumption to call anyone a Nazi. Especially someone whose people had the actual courage to fight the Nazi's.
Maybe the saying "What's Old is New Again" is true in your case.
For a while I thought a little differently of you. I was wrong. You're nothing but a piece of shit Claus.[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 27/07/06 09:44 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
However, "Simple" and "Fool" are apt descriptions of yourself in which I concur.[/QB]
However, "Simple" and "Fool" are apt descriptions of yourself in which I concur.[/QB]
How could my remarks be lost on one so superior. I am glad that we finaly agree... I just love agreeing with my 'merican masters...
When will you start making all those islamicommies wear black armbands? As I have trouble identifying them I would not want to kill the wrong targets when you and I go on our campaign to rid the world of evil.
We will be so happy when they are gone. No more terror. One race... oh sorry... one nationality will prevail. The world will be united under our Fürher, Bush. Heil Bush.
I am so glad that those are your views... and that we have agreement.
BTW: You are certainly right about what's old being new again.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 05:48 AM
OK so it is simple. We just gotta kill all of them so they learn not to kill all of us.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Posted by: Big Daddy Chia
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 06:21 AM
Iran is full of queers.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 07:17 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
We will be so happy when they are gone. No more terror. One race... oh sorry... one nationality will prevail. The world will be united under our Fürher, Bush. Heil Bush.
I am so glad that those are your views... and that we have agreement.
BTW: You are certainly right about what's old being new again.
We will be so happy when they are gone. No more terror. One race... oh sorry... one nationality will prevail. The world will be united under our Fürher, Bush. Heil Bush.
I am so glad that those are your views... and that we have agreement.
BTW: You are certainly right about what's old being new again.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 07:41 AM
Foreign Affairs had a really interesting article this month on how helping the Shi'ites out from under the Sunni minority domination in Iraq may give us positive leverage with Iran's Shi'ite population. The article is long, but worth reading, in my opinion: Journal Article Link
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:11 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Read my comment again, "YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A GREAT NAZI" meaning your national pride is very strong had you been in 30ties Germany you...get my drift. That is NOT a negative comment, I am not implying you would a KZ campe Erhardt type...chill out.
Read my comment again, "YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A GREAT NAZI" meaning your national pride is very strong had you been in 30ties Germany you...get my drift. That is NOT a negative comment, I am not implying you would a KZ campe Erhardt type...chill out.
Part of your problem is you can't understand the concept of national pride. Neither of the countries that you have called home has much to be proud about.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:13 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
As far as I am concerned collateral dammage in war is to be expected ( I hate to see children being killed).
As far as I am concerned collateral dammage in war is to be expected ( I hate to see children being killed).
It is awful that any innocent civilian, regardless of race, religion, or nationality, has to die.
What some people in this thread just refuse to understand, however, is that radical Islam and its terrorist groups will stop at nothing to achieve their hateful goals--regardless of human cost, including to their own people. This isn't "spin" or "opinion" or "American jingoistic nationalism." This is the simple, painful, undesirable truth. Go ahead, keep burying your head in the sand. It isn't going to change this truth.
Do you think that I, or most Americans, want us to be poking around in the Middle East, subjecting our countrymen to carbombs, landmines, and all other manners of hell on earth? Give me a fucking break. Do you think it makes us gleeful to hear about the damage that the current conflicts in the region are causing to civilian populations? Again, give me a break. :rolleyes:
Remember where appeasement at all costs got us the last time the world faced a tangible evil? Yeah, 6 million Jews were shoved into ovens and machine gunned into open pits, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of civilian and military dead of WWII in Europe. That was fabulous. :rolleyes:
Diplomacy and statecraft does not work in some cases. It's an unfortunate truth of the world of realpolitik. Some people need to shake themselves and wake the fuck up. This mess isn't going away if we ignore, appease, or minimize it.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Big Daddy Chia:
Iran is full of queers.
Iran is full of queers.
More than Canada?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[/QB]
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Originally posted by SE4X4:
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[/QB] Oops, I got a little too close to reality for some people. Sorry about that, I did not mean to make you think in the direction this thread was taking us. But you know us canadians, don't you? (ya, that's a bit of a sore point still - so let's lay off of it!)
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Oops, I got a little too close to reality for some people. Sorry about that, I did not mean to make you think in the direction this thread was taking us. But you know us canadians, don't you? (ya, that's a bit of a sore point still - so let's lay off of it!)[/QB]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b] [/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
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[/b] Oops, I got a little too close to reality for some people. Sorry about that, I did not mean to make you think in the direction this thread was taking us. But you know us canadians, don't you? (ya, that's a bit of a sore point still - so let's lay off of it!)[/QB]
BTW: I haven't said one negative word about Canadians in this thread.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:22 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
But you know us canadians, don't you? (ya, that's a bit of a sore point still - so let's lay off of it!)
But you know us canadians, don't you? (ya, that's a bit of a sore point still - so let's lay off of it!)
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:23 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
This is a very sad truth. Long since gone are the days when two armies met in an open field. Now we get bombs hitting hospitals and schools, explosive-strapped men running into crowds and blowing themselves up, soldiers and terrorists alike abusing prisoners, etc. Isn't the world great?
It is awful that any innocent civilian, regardless of race, religion, or nationality, has to die.
What some people in this thread just refuse to understand, however, is that radical Islam and its terrorist groups will stop at nothing to achieve their hateful goals--regardless of human cost, including to their own people. This isn't "spin" or "opinion" or "American jingoistic nationalism." This is the simple, painful, undesirable truth. Go ahead, keep burying your head in the sand. It isn't going to change this truth.
Do you think that I, or most Americans, want us to be poking around in the Middle East, subjecting our countrymen to carbombs, landmines, and all other manners of hell on earth? Give me a fucking break. Do you think it makes us gleeful to hear about the damage that the current conflicts in the region are causing to civilian populations? Again, give me a break. :rolleyes:
Remember where appeasement at all costs got us the last time the world faced a tangible evil? Yeah, 6 million Jews were shoved into ovens and machine gunned into open pits, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of civilian and military dead of WWII in Europe. That was fabulous. :rolleyes:
Diplomacy and statecraft does not work in some cases. It's an unfortunate truth of the world of realpolitik. Some people need to shake themselves and wake the fuck up. This mess isn't going away if we ignore, appease, or minimize it.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]As far as I am concerned collateral dammage in war is to be expected ( I hate to see children being killed).
[b]As far as I am concerned collateral dammage in war is to be expected ( I hate to see children being killed).
It is awful that any innocent civilian, regardless of race, religion, or nationality, has to die.
What some people in this thread just refuse to understand, however, is that radical Islam and its terrorist groups will stop at nothing to achieve their hateful goals--regardless of human cost, including to their own people. This isn't "spin" or "opinion" or "American jingoistic nationalism." This is the simple, painful, undesirable truth. Go ahead, keep burying your head in the sand. It isn't going to change this truth.
Do you think that I, or most Americans, want us to be poking around in the Middle East, subjecting our countrymen to carbombs, landmines, and all other manners of hell on earth? Give me a fucking break. Do you think it makes us gleeful to hear about the damage that the current conflicts in the region are causing to civilian populations? Again, give me a break. :rolleyes:
Remember where appeasement at all costs got us the last time the world faced a tangible evil? Yeah, 6 million Jews were shoved into ovens and machine gunned into open pits, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of civilian and military dead of WWII in Europe. That was fabulous. :rolleyes:
Diplomacy and statecraft does not work in some cases. It's an unfortunate truth of the world of realpolitik. Some people need to shake themselves and wake the fuck up. This mess isn't going away if we ignore, appease, or minimize it.[/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:27 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
So.....the solution is what? Kill every Muslim?
So.....the solution is what? Kill every Muslim?
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:28 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I read what you said. That comment is no different than calling someone a Nazi. It most certainly is a negative comment.
Part of your problem is you can't understand the concept of national pride. Neither of the countries that you have called home has much to be proud about.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]Read my comment again, "YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A GREAT NAZI" meaning your national pride is very strong had you been in 30ties Germany you...get my drift. That is NOT a negative comment, I am not implying you would a KZ campe Erhardt type...chill out.
[b]Read my comment again, "YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A GREAT NAZI" meaning your national pride is very strong had you been in 30ties Germany you...get my drift. That is NOT a negative comment, I am not implying you would a KZ campe Erhardt type...chill out.
Part of your problem is you can't understand the concept of national pride. Neither of the countries that you have called home has much to be proud about.[/b]
and if you took my comment about you and National pride in relations to being a Nazi..I regret it you know I have no bad bone in my body
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:31 AM
Eat a turd I was asking the question because I do not know the answer.
I have seen the down side of violence in the mideast up close and personl. It was back in the 80's and 25 years lafter we/they are still bickering over the same shit. I really don't know if the cycle of violence is breakable. I have heard NYMM (and if I am wrong MM let me know please) and others say that the Muslim religion is based on hate for non-muslims. So where do we draw the line? Is it possible?
I have seen the down side of violence in the mideast up close and personl. It was back in the 80's and 25 years lafter we/they are still bickering over the same shit. I really don't know if the cycle of violence is breakable. I have heard NYMM (and if I am wrong MM let me know please) and others say that the Muslim religion is based on hate for non-muslims. So where do we draw the line? Is it possible?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
What some people in this thread just refuse to understand, however, is that radical Islam and its terrorist groups will stop at nothing to achieve their hateful goals--...This is the simple, painful, undesirable truth. Go ahead, keep burying your head in the sand. It isn't going to change this truth..
What some people in this thread just refuse to understand, however, is that radical Islam and its terrorist groups will stop at nothing to achieve their hateful goals--...This is the simple, painful, undesirable truth. Go ahead, keep burying your head in the sand. It isn't going to change this truth..
Well, the world is sick... do we go into high fever and kill everyone?
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Do you think that I, or most Americans, want us to be poking around in the Middle East, ... Give me a fucking break. ...
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Do you think that I, or most Americans, want us to be poking around in the Middle East, ... Give me a fucking break. ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Diplomacy and statecraft does not work in some cases. It's an unfortunate truth of the world of realpolitik. Some people need to shake themselves and wake the fuck up. This mess isn't going away if we ignore, appease, or minimize it.[/QB]
Diplomacy and statecraft does not work in some cases. It's an unfortunate truth of the world of realpolitik. Some people need to shake themselves and wake the fuck up. This mess isn't going away if we ignore, appease, or minimize it.[/QB]
I am not saying I have an answer, but the most we can hope to accomplish at this time is to minimize casualties. Am I right on this point?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:42 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
Eat a turd I was asking the question because I do not know the answer.
I have seen the down side of violence in the mideast up close and personl. It was back in the 80's and 25 years lafter we/they are still bickering over the same shit. I really don't know if the cycle of violence is breakable. I have heard NYMM (and if I am wrong MM let me know please) and others say that the Muslim religion is based on hate for non-muslims. So where do we draw the line? Is it possible?
Eat a turd I was asking the question because I do not know the answer.
I have seen the down side of violence in the mideast up close and personl. It was back in the 80's and 25 years lafter we/they are still bickering over the same shit. I really don't know if the cycle of violence is breakable. I have heard NYMM (and if I am wrong MM let me know please) and others say that the Muslim religion is based on hate for non-muslims. So where do we draw the line? Is it possible?
Is the cycle unbreakable? I honestly do not know. If we want to try, however, it's going to be a long haul and it's going to be a lot uglier than Iraq is right now. "Nation building"? Yes, that's an almost laughable statement. But, it's the best option we have short of going on some wild killing spree, because it gives moderates in predominantly Muslim nations a chance to break the cycle. I would rather be an optomist in that direction than an optomist in the direction of pretending it's all going to go away if we ignore it and allow it to run its natural course.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:47 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Well I liveed in Germany for 3 years, I guess they re-invented and defined National pride in the 30ties, just a shame they started to invade the rest of the world and gas a few million innocent people...so again you are sadly mistaken
Well I liveed in Germany for 3 years, I guess they re-invented and defined National pride in the 30ties, just a shame they started to invade the rest of the world and gas a few million innocent people...so again you are sadly mistaken
Yeah, and it took another group of people with great national pride and a sense of right and wrong to defeat them. They're called Americans.
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and if you took my comment about you and National pride in relations to being a Nazi..I regret it you know I have no bad bone in my body
I took your comment "YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A GREAT NAZI" for exactly what it was.. equating me with a Nazi.
You're the demented one here Claus. Maybe you should re-read the pile of crap and lunacy you have contributed to this thread.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:50 AM
MM, you know you are like a brother to me but sometimes the party line sounds a lot like something out of Germany in the 30's.
Edited to add...not that there isn't some truth to what you say.
Edited to add...not that there isn't some truth to what you say.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:53 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
MM, you know you are like a brother to me but sometimes the party line sounds a lot like something out of Germany in the 30's.
Edited to add...not that there isn't some truth to what you say.
MM, you know you are like a brother to me but sometimes the party line sounds a lot like something out of Germany in the 30's.
Edited to add...not that there isn't some truth to what you say.
Clarify what you said. (or are you just being your usual troll self)
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:55 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Remind me again... what was the reason to invade Iraq at this time? No I don't think most americans want this... that is why I bother with this conversation. I think most americans are smart enough to see what is going on... your government policies however are a problem.
Remind me again... what was the reason to invade Iraq at this time? No I don't think most americans want this... that is why I bother with this conversation. I think most americans are smart enough to see what is going on... your government policies however are a problem.
I have my own opinions of why our duncecap president chose Iraq, but it's not as simple as oil--like so many claim.
Iran, on the other hand, had a infant democratic movement and a general populous ready for upheavel, in my opinion. Since we invaded Iraq, that has retrenched and been retarded by their new government. Our move into Iraq actually played into the Ayatollah's hands in my opinion. It gave him fodder to work with.
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I am not saying I have an answer, but the most we can hope to accomplish at this time is to minimize casualties. Am I right on this point?
While certainly a noble goal, it isn't always a possibility given the tactics that terrorists use, and the war that we and Israel are forced to fight because of it.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 08:57 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
You're the demented one here Claus. Maybe you should re-read the pile of crap and lunacy you have contributed to this thread.
You're the demented one here Claus. Maybe you should re-read the pile of crap and lunacy you have contributed to this thread.
Which pile of crap would you be refering to?
The one that says;
-Kill all the radical muslims - yeah, that's the ticket...
or
-Hey, I don't have an answer but what is happening is a load of crap and we have to stop it and think of another way out of this...
??
BTW: one of those certainly sounds like a very Nazi way of thinking to me. So NYMM what side of that equation are you on?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:00 AM
What did it take to break the cycle the last time a radical group with hatred for everyone in the world but their own kind? Yes, I'm talking about Nazi Germany.
They had to be crushed. It's a difficult reality. I wonder what would happen if the Nazis rose to power like that today. Would there be so many bleeding hearts in the world to let them coexist side by side with everyone else, even though they're randomly killing people, or groups of people...or entire ethnic groups?
It's a tough question we're grappling with - what makes it right to 'cleanse' a population (in this case, the morons who use Islam as an excuse to kill everyone who isn't Muslim) to avoid that same population 'cleansing' another group? (Jews and westerners) An eye for an eye. Some of you are struggling with the moral decision on whether or not it's right to deal with the problem that way.
I do challenge you to come up with a better alternative. I bet you can't do it.
What justifies it is the notion of self defense that seems to be lost in the bleeding hearts of liberals and those in countries with little skin in the game (Canada is a great example).
Canadians can say what they will about the US....I do think, however, that you ought to sit back and think what would happen to Canada's way of life without the US keeping them safe and significantly contributing to your economy. Still, as Americans, despite what bullshit you spew forth, we respect your right to your own opinion.
The muslim fascists who want to kill you will not respect that right. I wonder how differently you would feel if Al Quieda directed those planes into downtown Toronto? They only attacked the WTC because it was a symbol of the success and openmindedness of the West.
Claus, there's a huge difference between the national pride NYMM shows and what the Nazis did. That difference is in our aggression. We're not attacking a group of people who did nothing to anyone. Instead, our aggression is focused on a group of people who openly proclaim their hatred for anything that isn't radical Islam, and their desires and intent on killing anyone who is Jewish, or is friendly with the state of Israel. I'm disgusted that other westernized countries have gone so far of the deep end of leftism themselves that they don't share that sense of national pride.
They had to be crushed. It's a difficult reality. I wonder what would happen if the Nazis rose to power like that today. Would there be so many bleeding hearts in the world to let them coexist side by side with everyone else, even though they're randomly killing people, or groups of people...or entire ethnic groups?
It's a tough question we're grappling with - what makes it right to 'cleanse' a population (in this case, the morons who use Islam as an excuse to kill everyone who isn't Muslim) to avoid that same population 'cleansing' another group? (Jews and westerners) An eye for an eye. Some of you are struggling with the moral decision on whether or not it's right to deal with the problem that way.
I do challenge you to come up with a better alternative. I bet you can't do it.
What justifies it is the notion of self defense that seems to be lost in the bleeding hearts of liberals and those in countries with little skin in the game (Canada is a great example).
Canadians can say what they will about the US....I do think, however, that you ought to sit back and think what would happen to Canada's way of life without the US keeping them safe and significantly contributing to your economy. Still, as Americans, despite what bullshit you spew forth, we respect your right to your own opinion.
The muslim fascists who want to kill you will not respect that right. I wonder how differently you would feel if Al Quieda directed those planes into downtown Toronto? They only attacked the WTC because it was a symbol of the success and openmindedness of the West.
Claus, there's a huge difference between the national pride NYMM shows and what the Nazis did. That difference is in our aggression. We're not attacking a group of people who did nothing to anyone. Instead, our aggression is focused on a group of people who openly proclaim their hatred for anything that isn't radical Islam, and their desires and intent on killing anyone who is Jewish, or is friendly with the state of Israel. I'm disgusted that other westernized countries have gone so far of the deep end of leftism themselves that they don't share that sense of national pride.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Sorry I feel the need to jump in here.
Which pile of crap would be refering to?
The one that says;
-Kill all the radical muslims - yeah, that's the ticket...
or
-Hey, I don't have an answer but what is happening is a load of crap and we have to stop it and think of another way out of this...
??
BTW: one of those certainly sounds like a very Nazi way of thinking to me. So NYMM what side of that equation are you on?
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
You're the demented one here Claus. Maybe you should re-read the pile of crap and lunacy you have contributed to this thread.
You're the demented one here Claus. Maybe you should re-read the pile of crap and lunacy you have contributed to this thread.
Which pile of crap would be refering to?
The one that says;
-Kill all the radical muslims - yeah, that's the ticket...
or
-Hey, I don't have an answer but what is happening is a load of crap and we have to stop it and think of another way out of this...
??
BTW: one of those certainly sounds like a very Nazi way of thinking to me. So NYMM what side of that equation are you on?
Do you want me to start calling you a Vichy collaborator?? Yes, that would absurd, but less so than calling him a Nazi.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:04 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
What the hell are you talking about?
Clarify what you said. (or are you just being your usual troll self)[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
[b]MM, you know you are like a brother to me but sometimes the party line sounds a lot like something out of Germany in the 30's.
Edited to add...not that there isn't some truth to what you say.
[b]MM, you know you are like a brother to me but sometimes the party line sounds a lot like something out of Germany in the 30's.
Edited to add...not that there isn't some truth to what you say.
Clarify what you said. (or are you just being your usual troll self)[/b]
Take all the atrocities out of the equation, nationalistic pride can sound the same weather it be from Nazi Germany or the USA. Again I am not making a comparison for right or wrong but the words are very similar. Again not saying you or the right or what ever is comparable to the Nazi party but the rah rah of national pride sounds very simialr.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:07 AM
FlyFishingX - I could not agree more about iran. Even the people that were in North America from there were all forced out because of the democratic movement of the time... there would have been a lot of support for that...
However, it would have also left Saddam in power, ready to invade Iran... so it would still have been complicated.
Regarding tactics that terrorists use... they are a disease attacking (something akin to a flu virus) ... we have to fight them like a disease. You cannot go around destroying whole organs because of it.
However, it would have also left Saddam in power, ready to invade Iran... so it would still have been complicated.
Regarding tactics that terrorists use... they are a disease attacking (something akin to a flu virus) ... we have to fight them like a disease. You cannot go around destroying whole organs because of it.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
You guys are completely obfuscating what Madman is saying. He hasn't once said "kill 'em all." He's no Nazi.
Do you want me to start calling you a Vichy collaborator?? Yes, that would absurd, but less so than calling him a Nazi.
You guys are completely obfuscating what Madman is saying. He hasn't once said "kill 'em all." He's no Nazi.
Do you want me to start calling you a Vichy collaborator?? Yes, that would absurd, but less so than calling him a Nazi.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:10 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
Again not saying you or the right or what ever is comparable to the Nazi party but the rah rah of national pride sounds very simialr.
Again not saying you or the right or what ever is comparable to the Nazi party but the rah rah of national pride sounds very simialr.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:16 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Thank You. I wasn't going to respond to SE4X4 because I think she clearly has a detachment from reality. She most certainly has a detachment from what is actually written in this thread.[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]You guys are completely obfuscating what Madman is saying. He hasn't once said "kill 'em all." He's no Nazi.
Do you want me to start calling you a Vichy collaborator?? Yes, that would absurd, but less so than calling him a Nazi.
[b]You guys are completely obfuscating what Madman is saying. He hasn't once said "kill 'em all." He's no Nazi.
Do you want me to start calling you a Vichy collaborator?? Yes, that would absurd, but less so than calling him a Nazi.
He really is not saying much - except to insult everyone that says anything contradictory to himself.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Regarding tactics that terrorists use... they are a disease attacking (something akin to a flu virus) ... we have to fight them like a disease. You cannot go around destroying whole organs because of it.
Regarding tactics that terrorists use... they are a disease attacking (something akin to a flu virus) ... we have to fight them like a disease. You cannot go around destroying whole organs because of it.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SE4X4:
Actually, what he has said is not very clear then... because all I hear from him is how stupid everyone else is! In fact I asked a simple question of what side he was on? no response. Before that I stated that he must be agreeing with all the 'kill them all' sentiments, again no response... what is a reasonable person to assume are his opinions then?
He really is not saying much - except to insult everyone that says anything contradictory to himself.[/b]
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]Thank You. I wasn't going to respond to SE4X4 because I think she clearly has a detachment from reality. She most certainly has a detachment from what is actually written in this thread.[/b]
[b]
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]You guys are completely obfuscating what Madman is saying. He hasn't once said "kill 'em all." He's no Nazi.
Do you want me to start calling you a Vichy collaborator?? Yes, that would absurd, but less so than calling him a Nazi.
[b]You guys are completely obfuscating what Madman is saying. He hasn't once said "kill 'em all." He's no Nazi.
Do you want me to start calling you a Vichy collaborator?? Yes, that would absurd, but less so than calling him a Nazi.
He really is not saying much - except to insult everyone that says anything contradictory to himself.[/b]
From what I see, you simply don't like what he says and how he says it, so you paint him into an artificial "side" that makes him easy to categorize for your argumentative purposes.
Oh, and some of the questions that you have asked him do not merit a response. No offense, you asked.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Trihead:
Not trolling I promise. I always admit when I am fishing.
Take all the atrocities out of the equation, nationalistic pride can sound the same weather it be from Nazi Germany or the USA. Again I am not making a comparison for right or wrong but the words are very similar. Again not saying you or the right or what ever is comparable to the Nazi party but the rah rah of national pride sounds very simialr.[/b]
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]What the hell are you talking about?
Clarify what you said. (or are you just being your usual troll self)[/b]
[b]
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Originally posted by Trihead:
[b]MM, you know you are like a brother to me but sometimes the party line sounds a lot like something out of Germany in the 30's.
Edited to add...not that there isn't some truth to what you say.
[b]MM, you know you are like a brother to me but sometimes the party line sounds a lot like something out of Germany in the 30's.
Edited to add...not that there isn't some truth to what you say.
Clarify what you said. (or are you just being your usual troll self)[/b]
Take all the atrocities out of the equation, nationalistic pride can sound the same weather it be from Nazi Germany or the USA. Again I am not making a comparison for right or wrong but the words are very similar. Again not saying you or the right or what ever is comparable to the Nazi party but the rah rah of national pride sounds very simialr.[/b]
The anti-national pride line of propaganda ignores the many good things that have arisen out of it.
Internationalists despise national pride. Karl Marx despised national pride.
Is Australians loving their country wrong? Is Iranians loving their country wrong? Is Japanese loving their country wrong? Is French loving their country wrong? No, of course not. To certain people it's only wrong when Americans love their country.
Whenever someone dismisses the notion of national pride as being a bad thing, it's usually a "tell" to a certain type of political idealogy.
Posted by: Big Daddy Chia
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:32 AM
It sounds like a peanuts cartoon in here.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:34 AM
MADMAN IS NOT A NAZI, But a proud American with different views than most, which is freedom of speach at it's best.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:36 AM
Refer back to my post on page 25.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:43 AM
Crap, I am not trying to stir this thing up.
I am honestly asking questions.
I think nationalistic pride is a good thing but as with anything else if taken to extreme can turn into a bad thing. I am proud to be American, I am proud that I served my country, I am proud that our country can be one of the worlds greatest sources of aid in times of need.
I don't know how to make this any clearer. The words
Rah Rah USA sound just like Rah Rah USSR or Rah Rah Germany not the actions just the words.
Flyfisher the only thing I know about Nazi Germany is what my Mother, Grand Mother, Great Uncle, Uncle, Aunt have told me and the we bit I have read on the subject and seen on the discovery channel.
I am honestly asking questions.
I think nationalistic pride is a good thing but as with anything else if taken to extreme can turn into a bad thing. I am proud to be American, I am proud that I served my country, I am proud that our country can be one of the worlds greatest sources of aid in times of need.
I don't know how to make this any clearer. The words
Rah Rah USA sound just like Rah Rah USSR or Rah Rah Germany not the actions just the words.
Flyfisher the only thing I know about Nazi Germany is what my Mother, Grand Mother, Great Uncle, Uncle, Aunt have told me and the we bit I have read on the subject and seen on the discovery channel.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Trihead:
Flyfisher the only thing I know about Nazi Germany is what my Mother, Grand Mother, Great Uncle, Uncle, Aunt have told me and the we bit I have read on the subject and seen on the discovery channel.
Flyfisher the only thing I know about Nazi Germany is what my Mother, Grand Mother, Great Uncle, Uncle, Aunt have told me and the we bit I have read on the subject and seen on the discovery channel.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:56 AM
No worries, Mom's side of the family all German's she became a citizen in 1994. My great uncle was Rommel's driver in Africa, my grand father was killed during the war but not sure how. I believe it was on the eastern front but the story is sketchy. My mother fled the Russians as they were coming into Bonn so not to be raped only to be straffed crossing the Rhine at night.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 10:01 AM
OH and Madman post some more pic's in the phat chick thread. Your submission last week was outstanding.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Trihead:
I am proud that our country can be one of the worlds greatest sources of aid in times of need.
I am proud that our country can be one of the worlds greatest sources of aid in times of need.
That should be a great source of pride for you.
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Rah Rah USA sound just like Rah Rah USSR or Rah Rah Germany not the actions just the words.
You're a glass is half empty kind of guy... aren't you?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by Trihead:
my grand father was killed during the war but not sure how. I believe it was on the eastern front but the story is sketchy.
my grand father was killed during the war but not sure how. I believe it was on the eastern front but the story is sketchy.
Every time I walk into a bookstore it pisses me off to see 85% of the German history books are about the Nazis and Holocaust. As if that's the only contribution that Germans have made to the world. :rolleyes:
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Not only can be... it is on a daily basis. No other nation on earth does more for other people of other nations. No people on earth are as generous as Americans.
That should be a great source of pride for you.
I think that sounds irrational.
You're a glass is half empty kind of guy... aren't you?[/b]
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Originally posted by Trihead:
[b]I am proud that our country can be one of the worlds greatest sources of aid in times of need.
[b]I am proud that our country can be one of the worlds greatest sources of aid in times of need.
That should be a great source of pride for you.
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Rah Rah USA sound just like Rah Rah USSR or Rah Rah Germany not the actions just the words.
You're a glass is half empty kind of guy... aren't you?[/b]
In person I am a very up beat kind of person. I try and live life at full volume. I guess the only person on here that has spent time with me is babyx and I think she would agree that my love of life is pretty infectious. Not sure that it comes through on an message board.
The worlds problems do bother me and the search for answers is something I enjoy.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
The regular German army (Wehrmacht) actually committed relatively few war crimes. It's the SS and SA where all the sickos gravitated.
Every time I walk into a bookstore it pisses me off to see 85% of the German history books are about the Nazis and Holocaust. As if that's the only contribution that Germans have made to the world. :rolleyes: [/b]
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Originally posted by Trihead:
[b] my grand father was killed during the war but not sure how. I believe it was on the eastern front but the story is sketchy.
[b] my grand father was killed during the war but not sure how. I believe it was on the eastern front but the story is sketchy.
Every time I walk into a bookstore it pisses me off to see 85% of the German history books are about the Nazis and Holocaust. As if that's the only contribution that Germans have made to the world. :rolleyes: [/b]
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Trihead:
I agree and wonder why that is?[/b]
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]The regular German army (Wehrmacht) actually committed relatively few war crimes. It's the SS and SA where all the sickos gravitated.
Every time I walk into a bookstore it pisses me off to see 85% of the German history books are about the Nazis and Holocaust. As if that's the only contribution that Germans have made to the world. :rolleyes: [/b]
[b]
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Originally posted by Trihead:
[b] my grand father was killed during the war but not sure how. I believe it was on the eastern front but the story is sketchy.
[b] my grand father was killed during the war but not sure how. I believe it was on the eastern front but the story is sketchy.
Every time I walk into a bookstore it pisses me off to see 85% of the German history books are about the Nazis and Holocaust. As if that's the only contribution that Germans have made to the world. :rolleyes: [/b]
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Claus:
I have been to treblinka, let me tell you it is a somber experience. My grandfather was a cop in Copenhagen and ended up in a German labor camp, He never spoke about it and we did not ask.
I have been to treblinka, let me tell you it is a somber experience. My grandfather was a cop in Copenhagen and ended up in a German labor camp, He never spoke about it and we did not ask.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 11:01 AM
To me it is unimaginable that humans can do that to other humans.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Trihead:
I agree and wonder why that is?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]The regular German army (Wehrmacht) actually committed relatively few war crimes. It's the SS and SA where all the sickos gravitated.
Every time I walk into a bookstore it pisses me off to see 85% of the German history books are about the Nazis and Holocaust. As if that's the only contribution that Germans have made to the world. :rolleyes: [/b]
[b]
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Originally posted by Trihead:
[b] my grand father was killed during the war but not sure how. I believe it was on the eastern front but the story is sketchy.
[b] my grand father was killed during the war but not sure how. I believe it was on the eastern front but the story is sketchy.
Every time I walk into a bookstore it pisses me off to see 85% of the German history books are about the Nazis and Holocaust. As if that's the only contribution that Germans have made to the world. :rolleyes: [/b]
Beyond the facts of Nazi atrocities, people are also interested in the rise of post WWI Germany.
After the war, they were a completely beaten and bankrupt country. The Treaty of Versailles beat them down even further. Yet in a very short span of a few years they rose to be one of the most powerful nations on earth. Literally one step from European domination and who knows where it would have went beyond that. The atrocities would have also followed.
A little known fact of Nazi Germany is the role played by Muslims. One of the most welcomed guests in Berlin during Nazi Germany was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. After the Nazi's conquered Europe, the plans were for the eradication of all Jews in the Middle East with the help of the Grand Mufti and Muslim Nazi collaborators and allies.
There were several Muslim divisons of the Waffen SS. One of the most infamous was the 13th Waffen SS Division in the Balkans.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
After the war, they were a completely beaten and bankrupt country. The Treaty of Versailles beat them down even further. Yet in a very short span of a few years they rose to be one of the most powerful nations on earth. Literally one step from European domination and who knows where it would have went beyond that. The atrocities would have also followed.
After the war, they were a completely beaten and bankrupt country. The Treaty of Versailles beat them down even further. Yet in a very short span of a few years they rose to be one of the most powerful nations on earth. Literally one step from European domination and who knows where it would have went beyond that. The atrocities would have also followed.
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 12:11 PM
All this crap and no one has acknowledged the one reality of the Iraq/Lebanon/Iran/Israel situation:
It can't be stopped.
It can be slowed down. You can create temporary cease fires now and then. but the likelyhood is that it cannot be stopped. There aren't enough soldiers and guns and bombs to stop a thought. Radical Islam as existed in some form or another for thousands of years and it will continue to exist for thousands of years. You cannot kill a thought.
And the thought is that Jesus and Israel are bad and Mohmaad and Mecca are good. As long as that thought exists, there are people who have no desire to live in some sort of harmonious utopia that will continue to shoot and kill and bomb those that they consider their enemy forever.
We have so far, since 9/11 only been able to scratch the surface of what is out there. Have we even eliminated Islamic extremism in Afghanistan? No. The Taliban is regrouping in the hills and inhabiting outlying towns and buying their time. We haven't even been able to chase radical Islam out of a little shihole n othing country that we claim to controll.
Will we ever be able to controll the presence of radical Islam in Iraq? The answer is no. Iran? Never? And then what? We land troops in Jakarta?
So once that is done, and we have spend the next 75 years chasing radical Islam all over the globe and we still haven't touched Africa of which more than 50% of Northern Africa is Muslim. Then what?
You guys are lost in comparing the Nazis to radical Islam. In WWII there were borders. There was a defined enemy. We knew who the enemy was and what he was wearing. We knew what language he was speaing and what weapons he was using. We knew him because he was fighting for his country and so were we.
Who is the enemy now? What does he look like? What is he wearing and what are his tactics and weapons? We don't know because he is hiding and changing and evolving. And because he is everywhere. The Germans were beaten because the rest of the world united to defend their land and their borders.
This borderless war with a faceless enemy canot be won. We can continue to celebrate small skirmishes and post the names and faces of their "leaders" that we've captured. But their personell will continue to step up into their place. But you cannot kill them all because you do not know who "they" are.
As long as there are radical Muslims somewhere in the world, this "war" will never cease.
It can't be stopped.
It can be slowed down. You can create temporary cease fires now and then. but the likelyhood is that it cannot be stopped. There aren't enough soldiers and guns and bombs to stop a thought. Radical Islam as existed in some form or another for thousands of years and it will continue to exist for thousands of years. You cannot kill a thought.
And the thought is that Jesus and Israel are bad and Mohmaad and Mecca are good. As long as that thought exists, there are people who have no desire to live in some sort of harmonious utopia that will continue to shoot and kill and bomb those that they consider their enemy forever.
We have so far, since 9/11 only been able to scratch the surface of what is out there. Have we even eliminated Islamic extremism in Afghanistan? No. The Taliban is regrouping in the hills and inhabiting outlying towns and buying their time. We haven't even been able to chase radical Islam out of a little shihole n othing country that we claim to controll.
Will we ever be able to controll the presence of radical Islam in Iraq? The answer is no. Iran? Never? And then what? We land troops in Jakarta?
So once that is done, and we have spend the next 75 years chasing radical Islam all over the globe and we still haven't touched Africa of which more than 50% of Northern Africa is Muslim. Then what?
You guys are lost in comparing the Nazis to radical Islam. In WWII there were borders. There was a defined enemy. We knew who the enemy was and what he was wearing. We knew what language he was speaing and what weapons he was using. We knew him because he was fighting for his country and so were we.
Who is the enemy now? What does he look like? What is he wearing and what are his tactics and weapons? We don't know because he is hiding and changing and evolving. And because he is everywhere. The Germans were beaten because the rest of the world united to defend their land and their borders.
This borderless war with a faceless enemy canot be won. We can continue to celebrate small skirmishes and post the names and faces of their "leaders" that we've captured. But their personell will continue to step up into their place. But you cannot kill them all because you do not know who "they" are.
As long as there are radical Muslims somewhere in the world, this "war" will never cease.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Trihead:
Stopping before the atrocities and the invasion of other countries does that make Hitler a great leader as opposed to someone like Pol Pot who destroyed their country?
Stopping before the atrocities and the invasion of other countries does that make Hitler a great leader as opposed to someone like Pol Pot who destroyed their country?
I have no idea. You're getting into speculation and "what ifs" of historical figures. If he wasn't the hateful murderer and ambitious conquerer of his neighbors he wouldn't be the Hitler we already know from history.
Mao killed more people than Hitler did, yet there are people who think he was a great leader. As a matter of fact, Mao is responsible for more death than any person in human history. I find it very strange that he is not demonized as he should be.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
All this crap and no one has acknowledged the one reality of the Iraq/Lebanon/Iran/Israel situation:
It can't be stopped.
It can be slowed down. You can create temporary cease fires now and then. but the likelyhood is that it cannot be stopped. There aren't enough soldiers and guns and bombs to stop a thought. Radical Islam as existed in some form or another for thousands of years and it will continue to exist for thousands of years. You cannot kill a thought.
And the thought is that Jesus and Israel are bad and Mohmaad and Mecca are good. As long as that thought exists, there are people who have no desire to live in some sort of harmonious utopia that will continue to shoot and kill and bomb those that they consider their enemy forever.
We have so far, since 9/11 only been able to scratch the surface of what is out there. Have we even eliminated Islamic extremism in Afghanistan? No. The Taliban is regrouping in the hills and inhabiting outlying towns and buying their time. We haven't even been able to chase radical Islam out of a little shihole n othing country that we claim to controll.
Will we ever be able to controll the presence of radical Islam in Iraq? The answer is no. Iran? Never? And then what? We land troops in Jakarta?
So once that is done, and we have spend the next 75 years chasing radical Islam all over the globe and we still haven't touched Africa of which more than 50% of Northern Africa is Muslim. Then what?
You guys are lost in comparing the Nazis to radical Islam. In WWII there were borders. There was a defined enemy. We knew who the enemy was and what he was wearing. We knew what language he was speaing and what weapons he was using. We knew him because he was fighting for his country and so were we.
Who is the enemy now? What does he look like? What is he wearing and what are his tactics and weapons? We don't know because he is hiding and changing and evolving. And because he is everywhere. The Germans were beaten because the rest of the world united to defend their land and their borders.
This borderless war with a faceless enemy canot be won. We can continue to celebrate small skirmishes and post the names and faces of their "leaders" that we've captured. But their personell will continue to step up into their place. But you cannot kill them all because you do not know who "they" are.
As long as there are radical Muslims somewhere in the world, this "war" will never cease.
All this crap and no one has acknowledged the one reality of the Iraq/Lebanon/Iran/Israel situation:
It can't be stopped.
It can be slowed down. You can create temporary cease fires now and then. but the likelyhood is that it cannot be stopped. There aren't enough soldiers and guns and bombs to stop a thought. Radical Islam as existed in some form or another for thousands of years and it will continue to exist for thousands of years. You cannot kill a thought.
And the thought is that Jesus and Israel are bad and Mohmaad and Mecca are good. As long as that thought exists, there are people who have no desire to live in some sort of harmonious utopia that will continue to shoot and kill and bomb those that they consider their enemy forever.
We have so far, since 9/11 only been able to scratch the surface of what is out there. Have we even eliminated Islamic extremism in Afghanistan? No. The Taliban is regrouping in the hills and inhabiting outlying towns and buying their time. We haven't even been able to chase radical Islam out of a little shihole n othing country that we claim to controll.
Will we ever be able to controll the presence of radical Islam in Iraq? The answer is no. Iran? Never? And then what? We land troops in Jakarta?
So once that is done, and we have spend the next 75 years chasing radical Islam all over the globe and we still haven't touched Africa of which more than 50% of Northern Africa is Muslim. Then what?
You guys are lost in comparing the Nazis to radical Islam. In WWII there were borders. There was a defined enemy. We knew who the enemy was and what he was wearing. We knew what language he was speaing and what weapons he was using. We knew him because he was fighting for his country and so were we.
Who is the enemy now? What does he look like? What is he wearing and what are his tactics and weapons? We don't know because he is hiding and changing and evolving. And because he is everywhere. The Germans were beaten because the rest of the world united to defend their land and their borders.
This borderless war with a faceless enemy canot be won. We can continue to celebrate small skirmishes and post the names and faces of their "leaders" that we've captured. But their personell will continue to step up into their place. But you cannot kill them all because you do not know who "they" are.
As long as there are radical Muslims somewhere in the world, this "war" will never cease.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 12:20 PM
good post Patrick, very true. F'd up and sad, but true..
Posted by: 2001frontier
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by DBAX:
good post Patrick, very true. F'd up and sad, but true..
good post Patrick, very true. F'd up and sad, but true..
Radical Islam was subdued by the Crusades, why is today any different? Hell back then, the Muslims were far more advanced than the West, and they still lost.
You have to understand that their goal is world domination. Zawahiri's from Spain to Iraq reference should solidify that for anyone that doesn't get it.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
This borderless war with a faceless enemy canot be won. We can continue to celebrate small skirmishes and post the names and faces of their "leaders" that we've captured. But their personell will continue to step up into their place. But you cannot kill them all because you do not know who "they" are.
As long as there are radical Muslims somewhere in the world, this "war" will never cease.
This borderless war with a faceless enemy canot be won. We can continue to celebrate small skirmishes and post the names and faces of their "leaders" that we've captured. But their personell will continue to step up into their place. But you cannot kill them all because you do not know who "they" are.
As long as there are radical Muslims somewhere in the world, this "war" will never cease.
At least you acknowledge that radical, militant Islam is the enemy. Many do not.
The most dangerous form of Islam is Wahhibi Islam. That can be stopped. It's just going to take realism and courage on the part of people in the West. A courage and realism that I don't see.
Instead I see too much apologizing for Islam coming from those in the West. There is too much of a willingness to accomodate the radical aspects of Islam in the West.
Fighting radical Islam doesn't always have to be fought with guns and bombs. It can be done on an ideological level. On that front, the West so far is losing. It doesn't even seem willing to fight that fight.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
Actually I think it is complete bullshit. I have seen that argument countless times. The person putting it forward never actually has a solution of any type of course.
[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by DBAX:
[b]good post Patrick, very true. F'd up and sad, but true..
[b]good post Patrick, very true. F'd up and sad, but true..
[/b]
Because next time, SoCal, it might be LA that the whackos decide to attack. Not doing anything will only embolden them.
I'd rather try to do something than just throw my hands up and say it's hopeless.
Your examples of Asian and African Islam are misleading--as we are talking about different versions of Islam, much more recent adherents to the faith, different contexts, and different socio-political situations both foreign and domestic than the Mid East groups--but I don't have time right now to respond with the clarity that I want to.
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 12:57 PM
Let's just do something. Anything. It's expensive as hell and it's not working but let's just do it so we can say we're doing something. I put a band aid on a severed jugular. Blood is spurting everywhere because the victim is hemorrhaging but FUCK YEAH! I did SOMETHING !
What the fuck does it matter that there are different aspects and beliefs with Islamic fundimentalism? Don't the Shiits, the Sunis and the Sikhs and fuck knows who else hate all the Jews and Christianity? The only thing we have going for us now in that regard is that we are lucky enough that they are as splintered as they are.
Uhm, there are Asian , specifically Indonesian cells of al queda that have blown up clubs, hotels and resturants there. We have seen Islamic moticated African genocide. "War" and "terrorism" can be shown on many levels.
You stop one you still face the other.
Frontier, "the Crusades" stopped who exactly? Which Crusade are you talking about specifically? The first, second , third or fourth?
What's different? Oh, about a billion people or so. That and bow and arrows Vs. guns and bombs. And those guys with bow and arrows killing women and children and everyone else they could exterminate. Then there's the power of the papacy and the edicts presented by the vatican army and their ability to call to arms. The "world" in 1200 was a hell of a lot smaller than it is today.
But I digress.
Quite simply you had the Islamic empire that had borders and soldiers and guns. Again, you could put a finger on who they were. They weren't lurking in the shadows. That comparison is actually laughable actually.
I have yet to see anyone on this thread offer any solution short of kill 'em all and let god sort them out. I contend that it isn't our problem or gods.
The solution? Close up shop. Batton up the hatches and armor the walls. We have our friends and they have theirs. Severe restrictions on global trade, aid and tourism. You want to go to Egypt for vacation? Stay their because you can't come back. Iranian family? Pick a side. Go or stay. But once you are gone stay gone. We need to reduce the size of our world. We ahve the Us, Canada and Mexico if they want to be part of the team. And we keep European realtions and trade going along with China and the rest of Asia if they want to play ball. If not we take our ball and lock it up.
The rest of the world we bid "fuck off." They want to blow themselves up? Fine, have at it. Israelis want to immigrate to Wyoming, great we'll make a place for you . The weather is a lot nicer anyways. The rest of the shit, we isolate and ignore. Cut them off. No aid, no trade no oil purchases, nothing. We have enough oil with South America and Canada to make it work.
If it doesn't than we need to make a serious effort at conservation and alternative fuels. We are slaves to their oil because american corporations have convinced us that we need to be. We don't. How weathy and powerfull would the Saudis, the Iraquis and the Iranians be if they had no customers? Fuck'em.
Isolationism. This isn't 1956 and we should get out of the nation building business. It's not working and our CIA has done a shitty job of infiltrating these countrys and altering history. It's not going to happen with leaflets and assinations anymore. We protect ourselves the best we can. A big moat between here and Mexico and racial profile the shit out of every plane that lands from anywhere else but Boise.
We lock the doors, figure out how to answer our own customer service phone banks and eat our own oranges and rice and call it a day. Then we go to the U.N. , shake everyone's hand, wish them luck, bid them a good day and show them the door. It's been a lot of fun but from here on out you are on your own.
We'll be just fine thank you.
What the fuck does it matter that there are different aspects and beliefs with Islamic fundimentalism? Don't the Shiits, the Sunis and the Sikhs and fuck knows who else hate all the Jews and Christianity? The only thing we have going for us now in that regard is that we are lucky enough that they are as splintered as they are.
Uhm, there are Asian , specifically Indonesian cells of al queda that have blown up clubs, hotels and resturants there. We have seen Islamic moticated African genocide. "War" and "terrorism" can be shown on many levels.
You stop one you still face the other.
Frontier, "the Crusades" stopped who exactly? Which Crusade are you talking about specifically? The first, second , third or fourth?
What's different? Oh, about a billion people or so. That and bow and arrows Vs. guns and bombs. And those guys with bow and arrows killing women and children and everyone else they could exterminate. Then there's the power of the papacy and the edicts presented by the vatican army and their ability to call to arms. The "world" in 1200 was a hell of a lot smaller than it is today.
But I digress.
Quite simply you had the Islamic empire that had borders and soldiers and guns. Again, you could put a finger on who they were. They weren't lurking in the shadows. That comparison is actually laughable actually.
I have yet to see anyone on this thread offer any solution short of kill 'em all and let god sort them out. I contend that it isn't our problem or gods.
The solution? Close up shop. Batton up the hatches and armor the walls. We have our friends and they have theirs. Severe restrictions on global trade, aid and tourism. You want to go to Egypt for vacation? Stay their because you can't come back. Iranian family? Pick a side. Go or stay. But once you are gone stay gone. We need to reduce the size of our world. We ahve the Us, Canada and Mexico if they want to be part of the team. And we keep European realtions and trade going along with China and the rest of Asia if they want to play ball. If not we take our ball and lock it up.
The rest of the world we bid "fuck off." They want to blow themselves up? Fine, have at it. Israelis want to immigrate to Wyoming, great we'll make a place for you . The weather is a lot nicer anyways. The rest of the shit, we isolate and ignore. Cut them off. No aid, no trade no oil purchases, nothing. We have enough oil with South America and Canada to make it work.
If it doesn't than we need to make a serious effort at conservation and alternative fuels. We are slaves to their oil because american corporations have convinced us that we need to be. We don't. How weathy and powerfull would the Saudis, the Iraquis and the Iranians be if they had no customers? Fuck'em.
Isolationism. This isn't 1956 and we should get out of the nation building business. It's not working and our CIA has done a shitty job of infiltrating these countrys and altering history. It's not going to happen with leaflets and assinations anymore. We protect ourselves the best we can. A big moat between here and Mexico and racial profile the shit out of every plane that lands from anywhere else but Boise.
We lock the doors, figure out how to answer our own customer service phone banks and eat our own oranges and rice and call it a day. Then we go to the U.N. , shake everyone's hand, wish them luck, bid them a good day and show them the door. It's been a lot of fun but from here on out you are on your own.
We'll be just fine thank you.
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
How weathy and powerfull would the Saudis, the Iraquis and the Iranians be if they had no customers? Fuck'em.
How weathy and powerfull would the Saudis, the Iraquis and the Iranians be if they had no customers? Fuck'em.
"We think a hundred years ago you were living out here in tents in the desert chopping each others heads off, and that's exactly where you're gonna be in another hundred."
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
Isolationism. This isn't 1956.
Isolationism. This isn't 1956.
Nice pipe dream. Hell, I'd love to pretend that the world outside of my state doesn't exist. La la la la. Going to my happy place.
A few inaccuracies:
Sikhs are a peaceful religion separate from Islam entirely. Most live in India.
I never said Asian/African Islamic terrorists didn't exist. Hardly. They do, but they often don't have the same goals as the Mid East groups. Al Qaeda is a major exception. And, yes, there are significant differences in Islamic fundamenatlist groups from continent to continent that would require me to write a freaking three-page post to describe.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 01:17 PM
Socal....
I have to say your post was filled with nothing but a lot of this....
I've mentioned in this thread ways we can fight Islamic terrorism.
I don't see it happening until the terrorists start killing more Americans by the thousands.
We are too willing to accomodate the terrorist idealogy. Our society actually apologizes for it. We are actually enabling this problem and strengthening them.
I think it's sad that you don't see it.
I have to say your post was filled with nothing but a lot of this....
I've mentioned in this thread ways we can fight Islamic terrorism.
I don't see it happening until the terrorists start killing more Americans by the thousands.
We are too willing to accomodate the terrorist idealogy. Our society actually apologizes for it. We are actually enabling this problem and strengthening them.
I think it's sad that you don't see it.
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I've mentioned in this thread ways we can fight Islamic terrorism.
I've mentioned in this thread ways we can fight Islamic terrorism.
That's the difference. You can fight it forever. Congradulations. Do you honestly ever think it can be STOPPED?
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 09:14 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Nice pipe dream. Hell, I'd love to pretend that the world outside of my state doesn't exist. La la la la. Going to my happy place.
A few inaccuracies:
Sikhs are a peaceful religion separate from Islam entirely. Most live in India.
I never said Asian/African Islamic terrorists didn't exist. Hardly. They do, but they often don't have the same goals as the Mid East groups. Al Qaeda is a major exception. And, yes, there are significant differences in Islamic fundamenatlist groups from continent to continent that would require me to write a freaking three-page post to describe.[/b][/QUOTE]
_________________________________________________
Every group has extremists. Even the Sikhs want their own little slice of heaven.
A little light reading on Sikh terrorism:
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_91/asia.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/sikh.htm
I never said to burry our collective heads in the samd and pretend that evil doesn't exist. Closing up shop and boarding the doors is hardly "my happy place." It's ugly and sad but if protecting our way of life really is the goal, than what else would be more effective? I'm merely saying that going over to wherever the bad guys are hiding and trying to combat them millitarily isn't working. MadMad thinks I'm crazy for saying that we should pack up concentrate on defending our own homeland while going door to door all over the world shooting the bad guy makes perfect sense. Which plan really has a chance of success?
A smaller world? Yeah, I know everyone says that because you can fly it or call it and get across it quicker it's a smaller planet. But has it has never ben so populated and diverse. Have you ever seen a map of the world from about 1200AD? It was a much smaller place with much more ethnic and cultural segregation. You have never had so many different and diverse cultures living on top of each other and people are doing a damn good job of killing more of each other with less effort than it took in 1200.
MadMan, Frontier et.al. -
Quick show of hands: A) Who among you really has a solution to STOP Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al qaeda and every other militant Islamic extremist organization? And B) Who honestly thinks that if we stay on course that some day they will be eliminated as threats to the safety of those that they now oppose?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 28/07/06 10:54 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Socal....
I've mentioned in this thread ways we can fight Islamic terrorism....
We are too willing to accomodate the terrorist idealogy. Our society actually apologizes for it. We are actually enabling this problem and strengthening them.
...
Socal....
I've mentioned in this thread ways we can fight Islamic terrorism....
We are too willing to accomodate the terrorist idealogy. Our society actually apologizes for it. We are actually enabling this problem and strengthening them.
...
The jews and romans tried to whipe out christianity back when it started. Nah, didn't happen. Not even america can endure a war of such proportions as you propose. Heck, even Israel looked this week at the task that lay ahead and blinked. They don't want to get back into the business of occupation of lebanon.
The only major groups to have been somewhat successful at wiping out whole nations;
- The spanish in south americas - the europeans in North America (this was more by accident through disease and greed of the natives) And I know you want to repeat that.
You say everyone that does not agree with your attack statements has no solution. Bullshit. I offered a solution.. I said defend, do not attack. Yes, some will die in the coming years - but if we follow your methods many many more will die much quicker.
Eventually our defense technologies will become better than our ability to kill. Then the disease will die down when it has no where else to go.
We are faced with a choice on earth... go into a bloodbath orgy of killing... or minimize the killing...sure innocents will die from our side, but the other side will not win that war. We must be strong and continue to do what is right and moral, no matter the other sides reaction. I am not saying let the other side kill at will, any terrorists must be hunted and brought to justice, but leave the fence sitters where they are... don't push them off. When you push them half will fall on your side and the other half will fall on the other.
Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 29/07/06 12:24 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
What the fuck does it matter that there are different aspects and beliefs with Islamic fundimentalism?
What the fuck does it matter that there are different aspects and beliefs with Islamic fundimentalism?
"What the fuck does it matter?" Are you kidding me? What the fuck does it matter? Man, you are completely fucking gone. What do you think the roots were to WWII? Read a book, get out of the fucking movie house and visit a fucking library. Better yet, rent a documentary about the thing that pulled the US into the Second World War (preferably not directed by Oliver Stone). Was it based soley on what Japan did with it's attack on Pearl Harbor? (You may think so - but, to much of your dismay, Ben Afflect was not even born at the time).
Look, religion has played a HUGE part in all world conflicts. You might try and pick up the Bible, for a change (this does not make you religious - you can still spout off about the boss at Starbuck's with your "really cool" co-workers). I'm not overly religious. But if you have a base understanding of what certain people believe (not what you hear on "Inside Edition") in other areas of the world, and how it has been throughout the beginning of time, maybe you would see how tenuous this situation really is, and how completely close we are to full out war (yes, WORLD WAR).
Just for shits and giggles, what do you and your far left friends think about when they reflect on 9/11? We had it coming? I bet so.
Doesn't matter - whatever happens; if it is the worst thing possible - you'll want to take cover in one of my friend's bomb shelters (so to speak). Too bad socialists won't be admitted. Perhaps you could hide in a spider hole, seems you sympathize with the terrorists enough to earn a spot.
See? I try and stay out of shit like this, and then we let uninformed people post here. Shit.
Spanky.
Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 29/07/06 12:39 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
Quick show of hands: A) Who among you really has a solution to STOP Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al qaeda and every other militant Islamic extremist organization? And B) Who honestly thinks that if we stay on course that some day they will be eliminated as threats to the safety of those that they now oppose?
Quick show of hands: A) Who among you really has a solution to STOP Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al qaeda and every other militant Islamic extremist organization? And B) Who honestly thinks that if we stay on course that some day they will be eliminated as threats to the safety of those that they now oppose?
Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 29/07/06 12:39 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
Quick show of hands: A) Who among you really has a solution to STOP Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al qaeda and every other militant Islamic extremist organization? And B) Who honestly thinks that if we stay on course that some day they will be eliminated as threats to the safety of those that they now oppose?
Quick show of hands: A) Who among you really has a solution to STOP Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al qaeda and every other militant Islamic extremist organization? And B) Who honestly thinks that if we stay on course that some day they will be eliminated as threats to the safety of those that they now oppose?
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 29/07/06 05:45 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
I never said to burry our collective heads in the samd and pretend that evil doesn't exist. Closing up shop and boarding the doors is hardly "my happy place." It's ugly and sad but if protecting our way of life really is the goal, than what else would be more effective? I'm merely saying that going over to wherever the bad guys are hiding and trying to combat them millitarily isn't working. MadMad thinks I'm crazy for saying that we should pack up concentrate on defending our own homeland while going door to door all over the world shooting the bad guy makes perfect sense. Which plan really has a chance of success?
I never said to burry our collective heads in the samd and pretend that evil doesn't exist. Closing up shop and boarding the doors is hardly "my happy place." It's ugly and sad but if protecting our way of life really is the goal, than what else would be more effective? I'm merely saying that going over to wherever the bad guys are hiding and trying to combat them millitarily isn't working. MadMad thinks I'm crazy for saying that we should pack up concentrate on defending our own homeland while going door to door all over the world shooting the bad guy makes perfect sense. Which plan really has a chance of success?
In the last election we even had the Democratic candidate basically flat out say that fighting terrorism is a law enforcement issue. That is complete insanity. Police agencies can't fight terrorism. Most are not equipped with the resources and intelligence units required to uncover terrorist plots. Especially those of an international scope. Police agencies can respond to the scene after the buildings have been blown up and initiate investigations from that point, but anyone who thinks fighting terrorism is solely a local law enforcement matter is bordering on insane. If that is how some people want to fight terrorism on our own soil, there is going to be many more attacks and many dead Americans.
Forcibly confronting terrorist organizations with military force is a necessity. Just look at Israel's problem with Hezbollah. They are a well-armed and well-trained terrorist organization. There is absolutely no way to solve the Hezbollah problem without military force.
Quote:
A smaller world? Yeah, I know everyone says that because you can fly it or call it and get across it quicker it's a smaller planet. But has it has never ben so populated and diverse. Have you ever seen a map of the world from about 1200AD? It was a much smaller place with much more ethnic and cultural segregation. You have never had so many different and diverse cultures living on top of each other and people are doing a damn good job of killing more of each other with less effort than it took in 1200.
Quote:
Quick show of hands: A) Who among you really has a solution to STOP Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al qaeda and every other militant Islamic extremist organization? And B) Who honestly thinks that if we stay on course that some day they will be eliminated as threats to the safety of those that they now oppose?
The most important aspect of combating Islamic terrorism is societal change. The insanity of political correctness and suicidal notions of multiculturalism have to be eliminated from the national mindset.
Politicians in the West have to stop calling it the "war on terror". Terror is the tactic. Cowardice and political correctness gives cover to the enemy. The enemy is Militant Islam, Radical Islam, or Islamic fundamentalism. Pick a name, but the enemy needs to be named and named often by our leaders.
Radical Islam is openly preached on almost every college campus across this country and every Western nation. Political correctness and the "multicultural" attitudes allow this to occur and even coddle and encourage this activity. We allow radical Islam right under our noses, yet we have college professors being fired for perceived insults to Islam as has recently happened in DePaul because the teacher challenged the hatred espoused by Muslim student groups.
You ask what can be done to combat Islamic terrorism when we live in a modern society that is committing it's own slow version of cultural and societal suicide.
You also ask what can be done when we have pro-jihadi Islamist Muslim organizations like CAIR and MPAC practically dictating government policy to combat Islamic terrorism.
When truth becomes more important than protecting sensitivities, the first battle in the war on Islamic terrorism will be won. You however have to ask yourself, are you doing your part along those lines?
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 29/07/06 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
Clueless blather that has absolutely nothing to do with anything
Clueless blather that has absolutely nothing to do with anything
Now follow along: It doesn't matter which brand of Islamic fundimentalism it is, they all hate Israel and they all seem to hate our way of life. An Islamic EXTREMIST is an Islamic EXTREMIST. Does it really matter if it's Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al qaeda or the terrorist organization to be named later that wants to see us destroyed? It doesn't. Does anyone really care if it's the sunni or shiite suicide bomber who is strapping the bomb to their chest? I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries. You call me the liberal and I'm the one who can give two shits about their religious sensibilities. What the hell does it matter ? They all do share one commmon goal though and that's what scares me.
And a little more help with your comprehension: I don't drink coffee. I have never sat down in a Starbucks. I don't have a boss and I only have one co-worker. I am not a Democrat. (search under my member number for the word "immigration") My wife is my only liberal friend and she will make more of a contribution to this planet in a year than you will in your lifetime. I have read the bible. I have also read The Iliad. So what?
You should really stick to masterbating to softcore porn, making useless quips in places where they won't be noticed and staying at the kids table where you belong so you can be seen and not heard.
Anything else , Simpleton?
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 29/07/06 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
You should really stick to masterbating [/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
[b]Clueless blather that has absolutely nothing to do with anything
[b]Clueless blather that has absolutely nothing to do with anything
Posted by: GrayHam
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 29/07/06 09:31 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
That is actually spelled "Masturbating"
That is actually spelled "Masturbating"
Nope. Not surprised.
Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 30/07/06 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries.
I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries.
Posted by: socalpunx
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 30/07/06 11:37 AM
Roll your eyes and correct spelling, Simpleton. That's all you have.
Amateur.
Amateur.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 07:57 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
Every group has extremists. Even the Sikhs want their own little slice of heaven.
A little light reading on Sikh terrorism:
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_91/asia.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/sikh.htm
Every group has extremists. Even the Sikhs want their own little slice of heaven.
A little light reading on Sikh terrorism:
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_91/asia.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/sikh.htm
Quote:
I never said to burry our collective heads in the samd and pretend that evil doesn't exist. Closing up shop and boarding the doors is hardly "my happy place." It's ugly and sad but if protecting our way of life really is the goal, than what else would be more effective? I'm merely saying that going over to wherever the bad guys are hiding and trying to combat them millitarily isn't working. MadMad thinks I'm crazy for saying that we should pack up concentrate on defending our own homeland while going door to door all over the world shooting the bad guy makes perfect sense. Which plan really has a chance of success?
In an ideal world, I agree with you SoCal. Heck, I would like to extend that kind of isolationism to our food supply too (which I actually consider a national security issue). And while we're at it, why not stop importing cheap plastic crap from China? Again, I agree with you in principle, but I honestly do not know if it is any more tenable a solution than the alternative of chasing terrorists all over the world. One thing I am sure of, however, is that we do not have an accurate picture of how effective military force can be against this enemy because of the insufficient manpower and material that we are devoting to the task--not to mention the subversive role that all the bleeding hearts and moral relativists play in keeping one hand tied behind the military's back. That is another discussion for another day, however.
Quote:
A smaller world? Yeah, I know everyone says that because you can fly it or call it and get across it quicker it's a smaller planet. But has it has never ben so populated and diverse. Have you ever seen a map of the world from about 1200AD? It was a much smaller place with much more ethnic and cultural segregation. You have never had so many different and diverse cultures living on top of each other and people are doing a damn good job of killing more of each other with less effort than it took in 1200.
We would not even be having this discussion if the world was not a smaller place. We would have already adopted your isolationist plan.
Posted by: Mobycat
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
Or, idiosyncracies, even. [/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
[b]I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries.
[b]I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries.
[/b]Booya.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 11:12 AM
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 11:36 AM
You racist.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 12:06 PM
I was curious, so I searched and found that the longest ALR thread was 448 posts. C'mon guys, only 23 more posts for the new record!!
At this rate, and with the war having no immediate end in sight, I think 50 pages is definitely within reach.
At this rate, and with the war having no immediate end in sight, I think 50 pages is definitely within reach.
Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Mobycat:
Or even idiosyncraSies.
Booya.
[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
[b]Or, idiosyncracies, even. [/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
[b]I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries.
[b]I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries.
[/b]Booya.
[/b]
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 12:13 PM
GO! GO! PLO!
Anyway the indigenous people of our country have been fighting terrorist since whitey landed here. They just gave up. The PLO needs to "Stay the course" to take a phrase from POTUS
Anyway the indigenous people of our country have been fighting terrorist since whitey landed here. They just gave up. The PLO needs to "Stay the course" to take a phrase from POTUS
Posted by: Mobycat
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Or even idiosyncraSies.
Booya.
[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
[b]Or, idiosyncracies, even. [/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Mobycat:
[b]
[b]
quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries.
[/b]Booya.
[/b] Snake?
Personally, I prefer serpent.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Mobycat:
Or even idiosyncraSies.
Booya.
[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]Or, idiosyncracies, even. [/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
[b]
[b]
quote:
Originally posted by Mobycat:
quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries.
[/b]Booya.
[/b] Snake?
Personally, I prefer serpent.
Looks like Tommy Lee's schlong
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
Or even idiosyncraSies.
Booya.
[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Mobycat:
[b]Or, idiosyncracies, even. [/b]
[b]
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus:
[b]
[b]
quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
quote:
Originally posted by Mobycat:
quote:
Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
I don't give a fuck about their dogmatic idosyncries.
[/b]Booya.
[/b] Snake?
Personally, I prefer serpent.
Looks like Tommy Lee's schlong
Would you care to elaborate in your apparent interest in Tommy Lee's schlong?
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 31/07/06 07:36 PM
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 07:46 AM
Geez....
Leave it to Claus to fuck up what was a decent thread.
Leave it to Claus to fuck up what was a decent thread.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 09:00 AM
He'd fuck up a wet dream by pissing the bed.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Desert_Rat:
He'd fuck up a wet dream by pissing the bed.
He'd fuck up a wet dream by pissing the bed.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 11:55 AM
woohoo 30 pages!
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 12:08 PM
Funny? FUNNY?...i'll give you humor:
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 12:20 PM
That's just wrong, Claus.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
That's just wrong, Claus.
That's just wrong, Claus.
What's it got to do with the current topic?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 12:43 PM
There's nothing to translate. It's just a demented cartoon. The box that the blowup doll came in says "Horny Mary" in English. Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
Sounds like they are kind of deviant.
Claus is Danish.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
There's nothing to translate. It's just a demented cartoon. The box that the blowup doll came in says "Horny Mary" in English. Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
There's nothing to translate. It's just a demented cartoon. The box that the blowup doll came in says "Horny Mary" in English. Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
What is deviant about porn?
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 01:47 PM
Porn in and of itself isn't bad.
A panda bear fucking a blow up doll in front of kids....that's a little different. Still, it was kinda funny, however irrelevant it was to anything.
A panda bear fucking a blow up doll in front of kids....that's a little different. Still, it was kinda funny, however irrelevant it was to anything.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Trihead:
So you NEVER looked at the Phat Chick thread eh?
What is deviant about porn?[/b]
Quote:
Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]There's nothing to translate. It's just a demented cartoon. The box that the blowup doll came in says "Horny Mary" in English. Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
[b]There's nothing to translate. It's just a demented cartoon. The box that the blowup doll came in says "Horny Mary" in English. Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
What is deviant about porn?[/b]
Since you brought up the Phat Chick thread, I have to give Madman props for that awesome Page 3 Girl spread. Nice work, man.
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 01:51 PM
I don't think the kids are real kids. I think they are cartoon kids.
bwhaha
OK sorry I know what you meant that just sounded funny in my head.
Long live PORN
bwhaha
OK sorry I know what you meant that just sounded funny in my head.
Long live PORN
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
There's nothing to translate. It's just a demented cartoon. The box that the blowup doll came in says "Horny Mary" in English. Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
There's nothing to translate. It's just a demented cartoon. The box that the blowup doll came in says "Horny Mary" in English. Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Thanks.
Sounds like they are kind of deviant.
Claus is Danish.[/b]
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
[b]Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
Sounds like they are kind of deviant.
Claus is Danish.[/b]
Noting to do with the "current topic. Just thought people should lighten up a bit.
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Claus:
You know Madman, my wife and I like to do it doggystyle so we both can watch the hockey game...are we deviant?
You know Madman, my wife and I like to do it doggystyle so we both can watch the hockey game...are we deviant?
You know what's deviant? You stating openly in public to strangers how you and your wife like doing it.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Claus:
my wife and I like to do it doggystyle so we both can watch the hockey game...are we deviant?
my wife and I like to do it doggystyle so we both can watch the hockey game...are we deviant?
Just giving you shit, man. :p
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
Did I say it was deviant? No. Madman said Danes seem deviant. I don't know, I think they just like porn so much because it's better than thinking about all the taxes that they are forking over to the welfare state. My uncle paid out like 68% last year.
Since you brought up the Phat Chick thread, I have to give Madman props for that awesome Page 3 Girl spread. Nice work, man. [/b]
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Originally posted by Trihead:
[b]So you NEVER looked at the Phat Chick thread eh?
What is deviant about porn?[/b]
[b]
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Originally posted by FlyFishingX:
[b]There's nothing to translate. It's just a demented cartoon. The box that the blowup doll came in says "Horny Mary" in English. Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
[b]There's nothing to translate. It's just a demented cartoon. The box that the blowup doll came in says "Horny Mary" in English. Some sort of backward beastiality thing. Who knows. It made my stomach turn. Danes love their porn and sex industry--there's even a museum dedicated to porn in Kobenhavn.
What is deviant about porn?[/b]
Since you brought up the Phat Chick thread, I have to give Madman props for that awesome Page 3 Girl spread. Nice work, man.
[/b]
Posted by: Claus
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Who said doing it "doggie style" was deviant?
You know what's deviant? You stating openly in public to strangers how you and your wife like doing it.
[/b]
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Originally posted by Claus:
[b]You know Madman, my wife and I like to do it doggystyle so we both can watch the hockey game...are we deviant?
[b]You know Madman, my wife and I like to do it doggystyle so we both can watch the hockey game...are we deviant?
You know what's deviant? You stating openly in public to strangers how you and your wife like doing it.
[/b]
Posted by: Trihead
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 02:26 PM
This has now become the longest thread in the ALR. Congratulations gentlemen.
GO PLO!
GO PLO!
Posted by: Tonka Ross
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Trihead:
GO PLO!
GO PLO!
Posted by: NY Madman
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 01/08/06 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Claus:
and you taking it seriously is the kick....all this middleeast business is really getting you down?. SHould I send you a copy of my Tangerine Dream CD?[/b]
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]Who said doing it "doggie style" was deviant?
You know what's deviant? You stating openly in public to strangers how you and your wife like doing it.
[/b]
[b]
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Originally posted by Claus:
[b]You know Madman, my wife and I like to do it doggystyle so we both can watch the hockey game...are we deviant?
[b]You know Madman, my wife and I like to do it doggystyle so we both can watch the hockey game...are we deviant?
You know what's deviant? You stating openly in public to strangers how you and your wife like doing it.
[/b] You're a very strange guy Claus.
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 02/08/06 08:50 AM
From an article on the most recent air strike:
Call me strange, but I wouldn't be on the phone with the AP "minutes" after part of my family got blown up in an air raid. Grieving? Yes. Pissed at the world? Yes. Trying to see if other friends and family members are okay? Yes. Calling up the press to complain that they aren't adequately covering the strike? Errr ... no.
ETA: Article Cited Above
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One of a series of air raids struck the village of Al Jamaliyeh near the hospital. A missile hit the house of the village's mayor, Hussein Jamaleddin, instantly killing his son, brother, and five other relatives.
"Where is the press? Where is the media to see this massacre? Count our dead. Count our body parts," Jamaleddin told The Associated Press on the telephone, minutes after the missile strike.
"Where is the press? Where is the media to see this massacre? Count our dead. Count our body parts," Jamaleddin told The Associated Press on the telephone, minutes after the missile strike.
Call me strange, but I wouldn't be on the phone with the AP "minutes" after part of my family got blown up in an air raid. Grieving? Yes. Pissed at the world? Yes. Trying to see if other friends and family members are okay? Yes. Calling up the press to complain that they aren't adequately covering the strike? Errr ... no.
ETA: Article Cited Above
Posted by: Anonymous
Re: Lebanon and Israel - 02/08/06 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
No, no, NO..."go The People's Front of Judea!". Or the Judean People's Front...I can't remember.
[/b]
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Originally posted by Trihead:
[b]GO PLO!
[b]GO PLO!
[/b]He's over there.
SPLITTER!