Hey Ian

do you hold any kind of copywrite for the term GOX?

this popped up in a thread concerning the upcoming Calico Ghost Town trip:

link to thread

when jackel (after looking at the number of states represented) made the statement "Can you say GOX West?"

well basicly i was wondering,

Can We?

and if so what is the plan for GOXIII, I would like to offset Calico by 3-6 months as not to burn anyone out and make the prospect of both available to the most people possible.

Also i was just thinking this whole thing might make some sense, GOX, GOXWest, GOXEast(east coast X. Challenge), let me know...

I dont want to step on toes, and its only a name thing, so its not a big deal,the event will go on just the same

[ 09-14-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

"Gathering of Xterras" can't be copyrighted, only the logo design, web site and text accompanying it can be (and are implied).

I could trademark GOX, but that's a bit pricey. Besides, Nissan probably wouldn't appreciate it, since Xterra is their trademark.

Last year I offered GOX West and East artwork and logos to anyone wanting to host a similar event, but other names were chosen. Artwork can also be supplied, and modified if I approve the design.

The offer still stands.

i never saw the offer.

I absolutely would do it...

as for a logo, i was thinking of taking the GOX logo and simply changing the colors and slapping a "West" on it.

something like this:


but if you have another logo you like then i'd be happy to go with that... GOX is after all your baby

As for other names being choosen over GOXWest for similar events...

That is fine by me, There really is not a similar event out here, there is the NCCX/SCCX joint xcursion but thats it, it is an event covering 1 state and 2 clubs, the event I'm planning is open to anyone, just so long as they own an X...

This year is running down to the wire, so it is small, 15 X's from 5 states, but I think that it will grow...

[ 09-15-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

maybe just talking on here is easier than via e-mail Ivan

Like I said, I want to see the logos Ian has...

i do kinda like the oval idea, but i would liek to see it say "Gathering of Xterras" somewhere...

just my .02

Hey man it is not just your 2 cents it is your event so you have the whole dollar. take a look at it now I made some tiny changes including adding the gathering of xterras line.

no the "west" is my event, but this really is Ian's baby.

as for your logo, for now(until i here more from ian...

I think that the "Gathering..." needs to be larger, but at the same time i also think the "GOX" should fill more of the free space...

im not a big fan of red... however it is only a color so its not a big thing to change...

I dont have the time now(i will tonight) but i will put together some ideas when i get a chance

Don't sweat it man I know you want to see what your options are before you make up your mind. I am just playing around with the idea for fun. I like doing this kind of stuff I changed the color and size of text a bit.

could go for that...

what do you think of mine?

i can go either way...

just gonna save time and use yours Ian...

do you happen to have a .psd or .eps of it, so i can add the cool drop shadow like the GOX 2001 logo has?

My .02 cents...I like Ian's design just a little better. The font is a little more "ballsy", for lack of a better term, and I like how the "WEST" doesn't get in the way of the GOX. Just an opinion from out east!

[ 09-16-2001: Message edited by: chewy50 ]

yeah that was kinda my thinking... i didn't have the same font on my system... and the west underneath just works better...


NICE EDIT IAN!!!!!!

ok... thanks that'll work great, i can size it down if i need to but having it large is great...

thanks ian

[ 09-16-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

Hows that ? (refresh the page)

all is right with the world...

well not quite but its a start...



i'll get a web page reworked and out tommorow...

[ 09-16-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

Good job todrick I really like the designe of the site and the color scheme is appropriate. So are we gonna try to make a sticker or should we just forget about that option.

By the way refresh I did a little change just for fun.

[ 09-16-2001: Message edited by: imacsae ]

Not to be a dick, but with only 10-15 people able to go (right after GOX, us people not within 4 hours can't make it) I'd like to see it wait until next year to be called GOX West, only because GOX is something that ALL people would like to attend, and with such short notice, we aren't able.

I overheard someone at GOX talking about another event that would be a nationwide thing, so hopefully next year, they will be spaced out enough where all of us "long haulers" can plan it.

Have a good trip and post lots of pictures!

So any time you get 10 people together it's a GoX? I guess we are hosting one every 3 weeks then in the Northwest.

I guess it's one thing if Ian wants to let groups dillute his event, but can't you come up with your own idea?

I have to go run my 1 mile "Marathon" now. Later. :p

That would be a paraGOX. Buh-dumpuh. Thank you and goodnight.

look the event was announced quite awhile ago, sorry if you were not interested...

as for the name, it is not my fault no one took ian's offer... but i think an annual GOXWest for people who:

A. can not make the drive/take the time off for GOX

b. would like to do another event with people that did and did not make GOX

is nothing but a good thing...

sorry but It's not like i said hey Ian Fuck you im gonna call my event GOXWest... i asked if it was cool when SOMEONE ELSE broght it up...

As for anyone not driving more than 4 hours...

Lets do the math:

Phoenix=7hrs
Tucson=9hrs
El Paso=14hrs
Salt lake city=God only knows...

Sorry if you cant make it... Hopefully you will next year...

Look its this simple... If you dont like it dont attend... But If Ian Is ok with it then who the hell are all you to bitch... and if you have a problem with GOXWest why would a second National event be OK?

look some people just cant do a whole week and travel a couple thousand miles... thus the sense in a West&East spaced out as not to confilct with GOX(as "West" will next year.)

Before anyone comments about me driving 14 hours to wheel for a weekend let me get this out of the way. I AM OUT OF MY GOD DAMN MIND!!!

Actually I love to wheel with other xterras and on terrains that are not sand. No to mention the fact that the atendees that I have met are great people.

It should be a great time and hopefully next year the attendance will grow. I personally believe that meeting other xoc people only once a year is not nearly enough.

1. yes ivan you are nuts

2. sorry but, much of Calico is sand

3. yes the attendees I have met are all great people who are fun to hang with... and i love to meet new people as well

4. yes it will be a good time for those who attend

5. next year will be MUCH better... especially since im tossing around the idea for a different location... but I'll fill everyone in on that in Calico at GOXWest

Look at Jeep Jamboree... there are 32 of them each year, all over the country.

When we had the first GOX, many people expressed concern over the location, or why it couldn't be moved every year. In response, I offered the GOX name to an East and West coast version, if people chose to use it. 3 events, spread over the year (plus a Nissan event in Moab in April) will give everyone in the country the chance to go somewhere, and meet a lot of Xterra owners, and have a good time.

Calico may be small this year, but it is an event that will grow over time, and something I would like to attend.

Anyone can make a Gathering of Xterras, since I can't "own" the name, my only concern was use of my GOX design and imagery, which are copyrighted.

I offered the logo to the Calico function in hopes that it becomes a regular yearly event.

Thank you Ian.

I was caught a bit off gaurd, and you summed it up well.

so, um... does that mean your coming to Calico this year ?

Honestly, I don't think anyone will confuse the 2 (or more if more are created).

10 seems like a small number of Xterras to some clubs, who routinely have 20 every weekend, but to others, it's a big turnout.

Sorry, but I won't be making it to Calico, no time or money.

Hey Todrick- don't take what was said wrong. My comments were in no way a personal attack on you or the trip you've got set up/ Looks like a lot of fun.
Hopefully next year it won't be so close to GOX-

My point was they don't have a "Sturgis West" or "Mardi Gras West" Kinda keeps the original with the certain cool factor that made everyone drive so far to get there.

Obviously it's a moot point, since it's a done deal with the naming, just wanted to let you know where I was coming from on that. I thought "Calico X Invasion", like you had it named sounded a little cooler too!
Like I said- Have an awesome trip and post some pictures when you're done!

Please dont, Look I Understand the Impact of GOX... it is a great thing, i do regret i have been unable to attend(i will be there next year)

Look at it this way, so people cant make GOX(i haven't) but GOXWest is similar... People who would ordinarily never meet come together for a weekend of good time, good driving, and good fun... If people from eastern or Central US want to come thats great... but it is Called "West" because it is based on the west coast, GOX is GOX it is THE event that unites Xterra owners from all over north america...

whats wrong in allowing people who cant take a week or more out of their lives to feel some of the comradery of the Xterra Community

[ 09-16-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

it was not your comments (you prefaced them appropriately) that i took personally...

I do regret that it wound up so close to GOX..

but It just seems appropriate considering the number of different states coming...

someone else mentioned that "any group of 10 Xterras could be called GOX", and that is really insane... AZXC for instance regularly has 15 or more... what makes this different is it is largely people who otherwise would never meet(much like GOX)

Has "Snoopy" ever met "Imacsae", "Jackel" ever met "Xterrian", "Merchantofvenicebeach" ever met "Number41"... no, and they would not if not for this event...

It is a western Gathering of Xterras... the name makes a lot of sense...

I promise next year there will be a much larger gap (3-6 months) from GOX... but part of the rush was where people are coming from and the other thing was to be only 1 year behind GOX.

as for "Strugis West", no, but sturgis is a place not a title... now ask yourself how many HOG rallies there are... you see GOX is the gathering for Xterra owners much like HOG(Harley owners group) is for harleys...(thanks for illustrating with Harleys... i own one)


again, i in no way took your comments as a personal attack, In fact I hope you are able to attend both GOX & GOXWest next year... because while it is western centered... it is not western Xclusive

[ 09-16-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

Exactly!

All you're doing is dilluting an event that is very special to those who make the effort to attend.

You don't understand because you've never been.

maybe not, maybe i dont undestand.

but it doesn't matter...

I want to hold an event where Xterra's and their owners, who normally would not meet, can gather...

Someone mentioned GOXWest and i remembered when the idea was tossed around of SCCX organizing it...(they choose a different name/theme) so i simply asked the creator...

Obviously you have a different vision of what GOX is/should be then the person who created it...

basicly everyone should have the opportunity to be part of such an event, there is no need to exclude people, the whole point is to spread the word/love/experience of owning/loving your xterra...

GOXWest is not a dillution of GOX... It is a part of GOX(at least the way i see it), I hope that someone on the east coast decides that it would be nice to expand on an already great idea by letting people who can not make it all the way to Colorado(and people who can) experience even a glimpse of what is to be had at GOX...

everyone keeps saying GOX is special because it is where people who wouldn't meet do... so what about those who cant make GOX, dont you think it would be cool to meet them too..

the only reason i missed GOX this year was timing(long story) but i can Attend/host GOXWest and in the process get to hang with people who both did and did not make the national Gathering

Not really, Schlud and Synchro have valid arguments, and I agree with them.

However, I am looking at the long term, when there are 3 or 4 GOX events every year, with hundreds of attendees.

I don't think anything will really dilute GOX, since it should grow every year, and still be the premier event.

i have to agree that it is a long term thing... this event is obviously going to be small, but it will grow...

I cant understand the issue with 3 or 4 a year when you look 5 or more years down the road...

at that point i think the smaller(regional) GOX's will have a hundred or so and the national GOX in Ouray will be huge...

thanks again ian, I just hope that I can make next years event a huge success(this year will be cool, but it will also be a lot of talking about what to do next year)

A few things I have trouble with. One, this whole GoX West thing just looks thrown together at the last second. That makes it seem insincere and borrowing from the success of an event that many of us feel connected to (even if we didn't start it).

PWNX had a recent trip in Washington with owners coming from Canada. There were also owners from Oregon and Washington that hadn't met yet either. We didn't call it GoPNWX. It's just another trip that is organized by a club, like any of the other regional clubs. Are we going to start calling every weekend offroading trip in the US a Go-Whatever?

Who decided that you guys are the directors of Gathering of Xterras West? Just because Ian didn't have a problem with you using his logo? Calico California is just as far a drive for me as Ouray, CO (20 hours). So much for holding an event that is trying to include owners who couldn't make GoX. If you were really trying to be inclusive you would hold something in Southern Oregon.

So now should we start GoPNWX for those that can't reach GoXWest? Well that would be stupid since that's just another PNWX weekend outing. Get my point?

I just see this all the time. An event is cool because there is something special about it that not everyone can experience. Then the PC crowd comes in and wants to make it available to everyone and guess what. It turns to crap, and people wonder what all the fuss was about the original event.

Burning man was cool before the press heard about it.

The Friars club was funny and irreverent before they started televising it.

Punk Rock was cool when a band on tour played in your basement. Now Greenday is called Punk Rock and 5000 people show up.

Whatever. Have GoX-West. I hope lots of 2WD's show up. Maybe you should have some Escapes there too. I mean they're almostlike Xterra owners right?

We'll just have to see how it works out in the long run.

GOX East is still available if you ever want to rename the East Coast Xterra Challenge.

I do care about others feelings...

but what am i supposed to do, change it because it offends a few... sorry im not that PC.

I hope everyone can get over this minor disagreement, its not a huge deal.

yes "GOXWest" was slapped on the event at the last minute, and as ive stated that makes it tough, but the event would have happened none the less and it will again next year, so why wait.

Inthe end the event will happen, and next year it will again(with a larger turn out) hopefully one day anyone who has a problem will decide that the name is a good thing and attend...

this isn't really debatable, some of you have hurt feelings, and I want to hold a special event... and have it grow in time...
we may never come to a middle ground.

I hope one day everyone can come together and enjoy this event as they currently enjoy GOX,

until then,

Keep the rubber side down, and have fun!

Great peckerhead.

I'll be holding GoX West too this weekend. We're going to drive to the supermarket for the first trail.

I'll be making shirts and stickers. Hopefully this event will grow. I'm sure as I hold weekly GoX West events the popularity will grow. Quantity IS Quality, right?

Since anyone can have a GoX I'm hoping GoX Redmond, GoX Tacoma, GoX Portland, GoX Eugene, GoX Sacramento, GoX SanFrancisco, and GoX LA will be large successes too.

Nobody is saying you can't hold your event. Just use your brain and try and come up with an original name. No wonder you were kicked out of your club.

Fucking moron.

ok so who made ian director of GOX? if there was a vote im sorry i didn't know.

i am open to others assistance, putting on an annual event like this is tons of work... with limited time, i have 4 or 5 people helping organize things as we speak, if you feel left out i would be happy to have your help.



this has been mentioned... it was borught to my attention that it may be a good idea to move it, yearly...

i have no idea if that is a good idea or not, im torn.

but all this i assume will be discussed at Calico, I would love to do an event in southern oregon, if you have some suggestions for location let me know...

its further south but Anza Borrego also comes to mind as a good spot with a wide variety of terrain, I know there are some great places in Washington, maybe out to the vegas area...



this is just insane... im not trying to make an event like GOX... Im trying to make one that is an extension of GOX, as for the 2wd, were their not 2wd's at GOX, there are deffinately trails near calico that are not 2wd friendly, however there is lots to do for the 2wd's as well, with a small(less than 30) group it is a damn good location with a variety of terrain.

at this point im not ruling anything out, but the event i think should happen.

It was mentioned that there may be more people who have a probelm with it being called GOXWest... well guess what that means there are probably also more people who Don't have a problem...

it is not a dillution but an Extension, whats the harm in that,

Hmm... I'm changing my stance a bit on this, due to thoughts expressed by a few people who really have gone out of their way to make GOX what it is.

Use the GOXWest logo, and we'll see how it works out. After the event, I will decide on what happens with the name, and if the venue needs to change.

no that would suck... what ian intended(as far as i can tell) is 3 maybe 4 a year... 1 national and 2 or 3 regional



ok do the research, i was not thrown out... i quit, it wasn't worth arguing about... and i think that the club and I have both grown and become better form the xperience...

Im sorry you are so offended...
I didn't mean to offend anyone, why do you think i asked ian...

I can debate till we both drop dead and nothing will change... Im holding an event that people where interested in attending, and when looking at who had said they were coming the realization came that this event was much Like GOX...

I hope someone picks up the ball for GOXEast so all the events are of similar age, it would be nice...

Ian Gilliland or Ian Firth ?

If you mean me, then I made myself director of GOX, because... umm... I created it.

Do me a favor, pull the GOX west logo off your site, we'll discuss this again next year.

Bah. I don't care anymore.

Have fun.

no...

i'll pull it off

but im not sure it will be wise to discuss it next year, we will meet the same resistance.

im running out the door, so i will pull the site down tonight

[ 09-17-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

I guess this is part of the reason I didn't join PNWX because of the attitude of we are the all o'mighty and nobody is better than us attitude.

[ 09-17-2001: Message edited by: liv2x ]

[ 09-17-2001: Message edited by: liv2x ]

Nice of you to assign my personal sentiments to a group of individuals. You must not have ever gone on a trail run or you would know how far from the truth your statement is.

Ian Firth,

Thank you

Well maybe I am wrong but it does seem to me that if I remember correctly, that you lead the Washington part of the PNWX club and if your attitude is of any indication of the club as a hole then maybe my statement isn't very far from the truth. Now if that is not the case, I apologize to the members of PNWX for my lack of knowledge. I can only judge you from what I have read.

As far as going on a trail run with you guys, last I checked you made it mandatory to become a member before PNWX would allow anyone to go on a PNWX trail run. I'm not going to join something on blind faith alone.

liv2x...

are you still coming?

I really would be happy to have the opportunity to meet you...

it seems we both dislike the same things

Might I suggest you turn to some of the events in the news to get a better understanding of the problem of assigning the statements of an individual to an entire group.

Reread your messages. You have never been on a club run. You are not on the mailing list, and from that I can extract you don't know any of the members personally. Yet you feel this qualifies you to make blanket statements of 50+ people.

Regardless I have not made any statement on behalf of PNWX regarding this topic. They are my own opinions.

OK... obviously it was a lot of work to fix the site(i assumed there was no problem so did not use style sheets) so....

it is the same color, i just chaged the logo's and omited any referance to GOX...


that said:

I am pleased to announce

WEST X 2001

I hope you all can make it

Ian... Sorry, i will change the design after this event, i only used yours because it made the most sense to have some kind of framiliarity within the GOX name... and it was a good design

Thanks again for the opportunity, i wish it would have been better recieved

[ 09-17-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

BTW, I like this name better anyway... GOX West just didn't seem to sound right to me.

Sorry some people decided to be such a pain in the ass about it. I bet they didn't share their toys when they were kids either!

Good luck Todrick...

so, dont just wish good luck... its only a short drive to El Paso where you can do the rest with "Imacsae"

BTW thanks,

funny thing,

both trips i've organized to Calico start as an un-official thing,

someone suggests it be made official,

and then all hell breaks loose around the name...

i think im better off just doing it as my own event...

Well, that didn't turn out too bad.
West X actually has a cool ring to it.

Now take the idea, and run with it.

every other name i came up with had "gathering" or something similar... so i went simple....

you sir picked one hell of a name, and one hell of a concept, kudos

BTW, you do know its a trade dont you?

I make GOX '02 you make WEST X '02

[ 09-17-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

WOW I really like the name WEST X.But I wonder why I like it so much HMMM.

Seems to me like I have heard it before.

It is oddly familiar for some reason.

thanks for the idea

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Originally posted by liv2x:

Well maybe I am wrong but it does seem to me that if I remember correctly, that you lead the Washington part of the PNWX club and if your attitude is of any indication of the club as a hole then maybe my statement isn't very far from the truth. Now if that is not the case, I apologize to the members of PNWX for my lack of knowledge. I can only judge you from what I have read.

As far as going on a trail run with you guys, last I checked you made it mandatory to become a member before PNWX would allow anyone to go on a PNWX trail run. I'm not going to join something on blind faith alone.


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Maybe you need to reread this last comment that I made. I think I did qualify my statement and apologized to the 50+ members.

Correct me if I am wrong, but was my statement about joining PNWX before being allowed to do a trail run with PNWX still valid. If so maybe thats why I have never been on a club run nor on a mailing list.
I made this statement because after buying my X I did look into seeing what the PNWX was all about through their website and ran across another person enquiring about going on a club run before joining and was told they had to join (I gather that meant pay) first before they could go.

I can't tell you if I know any of the club members personally or not.

From what I have read, some of the members that do post on here seem to be pretty cool,
but your attitude as being one of the leaders of the WA section doesn't really appeal to me, thats why I chose not to join PNWX. Nothing personal to the rest of the members.

Todrick, I would like to apologize for my earlier profane statments to you. I made them out of frustration from your apparent unwillingness to understand our side of the disagreement (Synchro's and my own).

I still stand by my argument, but could have made it without personal attacks.

Good luck in your event.

Liv2x. I don't really care what your opinion is. I get along quite fine with the members of our club and those that take the time to know me personally.

If you have questions regarding PNWX membership you should address them directly to Mosi, or read the instructions on the club site. I do not handle membership, but rather organize trips, scout trails, and help members work on their trucks. All in a friendly helpful manner that is a mainstay of our club.

If you find that your temperament causes you to be suspect of things you aren't familiar with or to make rash judgements of people then I would encourage you to find a more appropriate place to socialize.

Schlud can we join you for the GOX supermarket run this weekend?

I have read and re-read the whole thread and have a comment.

I think GOX (the original one that is) should keep being THE GOX. I was really bummed out after meeting Mosi Rick and others at PWNX, seeing their excitement over attending and then seeing the pictures after knowing that time did not allow me to join.

GOX should be trademarked as the original event for our short lived SUV model. I for one will do my outmost to drive the 64days to make it down for next year.

GOX West...good idea but call it something else, I am sure the interst will remian the same if the event is well planned.....

my 2cents, now back to reading ...

Claus

[ 09-17-2001: Message edited by: Xlax ]

thank you for that... a good debate was fine and i was very close to caving anyway...the attacks caught me off-gaurd and honestly made me less willing to give...

i hope you decide to attend at some point

no offense but you should read it all before posting...

problem solved and i hope no one ever calls an event GOX...anything...

I definately see everyones point, but i didn't know why the anger was leveled at me... its all good

My comment was NOT leveled at you and from my post you can see I stated that I read AND re-read the thread. So if you think I was missing anything please fill me in. Good luck with the event I hope you get a good turn out and have a great time which it is all about

Claus

thank you absolutely... just pass on my contact info to him...

Todrick@hotmail.com is the easiest way to reach me

no no i was simply making a point that your post came about 2 hours too late...

by the time you pointed your opinion out, the decision had been made.

the comment i made about anger leveled at me was more about others reactions to the idea... but like i said, its all good now...

thanks for the good wishes

Todrick - Go to 4x4parts.com, in the Southwest Nissan Owners forum. I'm pretty sure Jim and Carl, from the Nissan proving grounds out here, post in there. I believe Jim is going camping at the Coke Ovens this weekend. I'll mention Calico to him then also.

Schlud - I do believe that the way you express your opinions can probably tend to put a person off. Perhaps even to the point that he or she dowsn't want to spend the time to get to know you better.

For what it's worth...

Thanks for your observation. Keep in mind that this is entertainment for me 95% of the time. I'm quite content in how I'm perceived here and in real life.

that is a good point...

When ever I meet people in person and get to know each other, i always get the comment..."oh your not at all how i pictured you"

seems people think im satan

those that have some time with me know how i am(for the most part) and XOC is not really an adequate reflection... I am a smart-ass, no doubt, but i am always entetained by the differance in what people percieve and what the reality is

[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

Ive noticed that with the notable exception of synchro many tend to be much "smaller" than they sound.

For example todrick is about a buck and a quarter of white rocker.

That would explain the fact that I've never seen you and satan in the same room together

Along the lines of Nissan, maybe we should just get with John about it since he is a member and should be at the meeting on Friday. He could probably generate some interest in the Calico thing from Nissan's point of view.

AZXC members, don't let me forget to mention it, you know how I am with losing papers :p

hey i'm 145 thank you very much

honestly though, for those that know them... I thought Imacsae would look like Craigs_tonka and Vice versa...

What's that supposed to mean? I think I'm offended,,,, just kidding Ivan. I know I "sound" much bigger on the telephone if that's what you're referring to.

I'll say something to remind you about it, but as long as you don't flame me for getting off the agenda.
:p