Whew

Hey fellow 2WD enthusiasts! Glad to see other Xterra owners with similar interests/opinions. I was starting to think, in my short time here, that it was a sin to own a 2WD. Heck, I would have bought a 4WD if I wanted one. This list didn't influence my purchase. I knew what I wanted and I got what I wanted!

Different strokes, right?

Let's keep the 2WD section kicking!! :p

And yes, I like the sound of high speed trail riding much more than creeping over rocky trails. Don't get me wrong, I plan to do as much of that as I can....it's just not the only thing to do with your X!

We can't forget about the "Grocery Runner" either. I'm sure it makes up a huge number of X owners!! I can see the awesome look of the X, alone, influencing their decision. :p

(crickets chirping)

ouch

I've had my X for about a year and a half now, and despite reading and hearing many 4wd's say that a 2wd is merely a station wagon, I have been suprised at what I've gotten through at times with just stock mods. I know that I can't go ALOT of places that a 4wd can and I acknowledge and respect that fact, but that's not stopping me from trying to see how far I can go. Somebody's gotta do it, heh. I'm sure I'm going to frusterate alot of people once I start getting out and going to some events cause I know I'm going to get stuck, probably alot at first, but it's all in learning, and in fun.
So I guess I say this just to encourage 2wd's to just get out and try stuff, you'll never know what you can do, till you attempt it. Now of course, it's not the best idea to go out by yourself (trust me), cause it's just a big pain to call someone and then they have to find you and get you out. But just have your own tow strap ready and move on... anyways, just know your limits
ok, I think I should shut up now

I've had my 2x 5spd for almost 3 years and I finally took it on something more difficult than fire roads this past weekend with SCCXTERRA.

We took 11 X's and a Frontier to Anza Barrego and did the grapevine trail (4-2x's in the group).
We all had fun and were able to cover similar terrain including a section were we were told by the ranger that some 4x's turned around the day before.
At one point I had 2 wheels off the ground (different axles), later on we were tilted over to almost 40 degrees. No problems with the 2 wheel drive.

Consider joining a club, these guys were great and my wife and I had a lot of fun (Thanks Brian, Blue Leader, and Logan!!!).

Chris,

Don't let them rag you too much. A few years ago, I was at a 4X4 photo shoot in GA and heard Jack Bickers speak. What he said actually surprised me seeing how he is considered a 4X4 legend and all. He said most 4X4 owners become lazy in their driving skills and rely on their 4X4 more than they should. He did say that rock crawling was out and 4+ trails were out for 4X2's, but if you did the same mod's on a 4X2 as a 4X4, a skilled driver could take most 3+ and alot of 4 trails. Of course everyone laughed. When said he knew he could, no one laughed at that. That is the reason I bought a 4X2 Xterra. You do have to try harder and put more work into it, but in the end, it does pay off. From the way the 4X4 owner's talk around here, you would think they never get stuck. Just so happens I have unstuck several 4X4's myself while wheelin in my 4X2. Did they care then? No, they just wanted to get back to wheelin'. Which is what this is supposed to be about anyway is having fun and all. See ya on the trails.

Wouldn't that be an oxymoron?

oh yeah, sorry about that. didn't catch that when I was reading over it... but you get the idea

With a stock Xterra

it does me proud to finaly see more that two or three of us who know better

thanks guys...

its about having a good time, and its really great after two years of getting crap from the 4wd crowd that some more 2wds have figured it out

Hey red5five,

Red 5 is my license plate!! Nice!!

I know what a 2 WD can do, ive put mine through hell. There fun with half the Maintinence of a 4 WD.

I'll say it again.

Come to GOX, come to goneMOAB, and see for yourself. You will be bummed.

Hell, go anyplace with mountains and rain and you'll be bummed. It's just a matter of responsibility that we don't allow 4x2's out on the trail with us. Who wants to burn out their clutch towing your ass all over the mountains?

Ughh.....why do you guys wanna be so, "mine is better than yours". Weird.

Environment really factored into my decision for buying a 2WD. It suits me. But thanks for trying to make me regret my purchase.

When I go offroading, I'll be on my dirt bike! Suckers!

It's not mine is better than yours. If someone says 1+1=3 do you just let it go so they don't feel bad? I think I'm pretty fast in my GT Subaru, but I'm realistic enough to know I'm not going to blow anyone away on a race track. I don't go to WRX forums and say I can go as fast as those subaru owners, and then cry because they won't aknowledge my slower Subaru. Mechanically it's not as good. I have fun it in it, and enjoy my choice, but it's not turbocharged. Get it?

We don't, it's usually Todrick who starts the topic up again.

Someday, he will finally end up somewhere where I am, and I will show him that everything he believes about a 2WD is false.

I'm looking forward to that day so these pointless posts about 2WDs can finally end.

It's not about better or worse. It about the tow hook. It's a philosophical question: To pull or be pulled; that is the question.

yeah if i have it my way i'll have a pre-runner... wont do much good in colorado...

like i said before... if my trucks done, come to WEST X... you'll be bummed

hello... i said i was happy other 4x2 owners liked there trucks... and that i constantly get slammed... i even made point you missed... ITS ABOUT HAVING A GOOD TIME... not about having a 4x4 or not.

Someday, the major parts of my truck will be done(like youve done the major mods on yours) and you will finally end up somewhere where I am, and I will show you that everything you believe about a 2WD is false.

I'm looking forward to that day so the pointless bashing of 2WDs can finally end.

Bummed that I can drive the trails that your 2WD can't ?
Bummed that I can follow you across a dry lake bed in a straight line ?
Bummed that I can drive at the same speed on any terrain as you but with much more control ?
Bummed that I don't have to get winched or strapped over easy trails ?

Isn't California covered with mountains too ?

bummed that you hit a jump at 50mph and the landing was so harsh you broke major steering/suspension components?

bummed that the washboards beat the hell out of your kidneys?

yeah maybe

like i said in another thread(being this debate is currently in 4 threads) read the "Liberty getting air" thread... i think i summed it up best... i have to assume you just dont understand what im saying, because i can not comprehend why you say the things you do... i also assume that you feel the same about me...

seriously at this point i almost find it funny, and wonder just how long it will take until we understand each other... i bet it would all be resolved i a minute or two if we could kick back and have a beer and actually talk about it instead of posting on here

sort of... the best mountain around here is big bear(where the current picture of snoopy on the front page was taken)... but honestly i've said it before 5mph over rocks is not as appealing to me as 50mph over a desert trail... im just a type T personality like that

at this point i hope to make GOX it all depends on whether or not the Harley 100th anniversary tour stop in L.A. sells out before i get tickets...

but if im there and my truck has the major mods done... i wont be hitting any trails as my truck will just not be suited for that kind of driving...

but if the mods are done by september for GOX then they will still be done a in Late October for WEST X... and you are more than welcome to come out and find out why i want my truck set up that way... it is not for 3+ rated trails thats for sure

And your stock Xterra is somehow stronger than mine ?

I think Nissan puts the same components on all of the Xterras that come out of Smyrna.

You've lost me again...

me thinks Todrick is smoking a little too much of the wacky tabacky rolled in issues of OFF-ROAD magazine.

When you design a long travel front end, let us know. When you install whatever SLR has going, let us know. But when it's "One day, my prince will come...." you are still less capable than a 4x4. I drove dirt roads at 85-90mph up in Labrador, kicking up dust, riding rally style with another Xterra. His was 4x4 too. we cruised over washboards that would make your fillings fall out, then hit sharp corners, only to jump a set of railroad tracks, the cut back the other way over MAJOR washboards, and we were in control the whole time. -- at least I was with my Bilsteins.

Then you way bought the wrong vehicle. What part of the X said to you "Buy me, I'm a desert racer in waiting". The X has about as much in common with a desert racer as say, oh...my Camry. Look out Mojave, here I come.
:rolleyes:

It's the chairlift commercial.

you have a stock x?

i wasn't talking stock xterras

wow, your a genious of coarse a 4x2 is less capable... i've never said other wise... i have just said it is more capable then it gets credit for, and that a 4x4 built with 10k for trails will not be as good a trail machine as a 4x2 built with 10k for desert travel is a desert travel

the debate is about why anyone would buy a 4x2... the answer is because in some cases it makes more sense... sorry that there is a bigger group of people who want to drive slow in the mountaisn than there is people driving fast in the desert, but thats the reason more companies dont make prerunner kits and the reason that SLR will be the first with a long travel kit(if it ever does come out)

so you've never seen frontiers built out as pre-runners?

i have two kids so during the week a frontier or any pick up would not have been a good choice... there are comprimises in life when you have kids... that and i just loved the style of the X

maybe the other thing is that, im in Huntington Beach California, the ratio of "off-road" trucks i see in any given day works something like this:

15%-Pre-runner Trucks
5%-pre-runner SUV's
15%-Built Jeeps
10%-Built Trucks(others)
5%-Built SUV's
50%-Posuer full size ford and chevy's with >9" of
lift and >35" tires with tons of chrome

so maybe its just, others lack of exposure to Pre-runners... i think huntington beach has more than most(except maybe riverside) with two of the more well know names in pre-runner/desert racing making their homes here, Terrible Herbst and Camburg.

All I know is, there are about 15 days every winter that you coudn't even make it up my driveway with a 4x2.

I completely understand people in New Orleans, Florida, Houston, buying a 4x2. They'll still walk across most logging roads to go camping with some kayaks on the roof and all is well, plus you saved yourself some money..

Its the folks who "save money" on a 4x2 only to put $2,500 worth of mods on them to make them more offroad worthy that baffle me. I'll never understand it.

i understand... im in so cal so really i only need 4x4 if i choose to need it...

but as for saving money only to modify it...

why did you buy the x... wasn't it at least in part because of the price... and if so how much moeny you think your gonna put into it modifying it?

PNUTMNM,

I think you are on to MY point. I bought want I wanted and needed.

I am just a bit surprised that so many resort to bashing. I would think this is an all model Xterra friendly board based on the Home Page Statement. YIKES! :rolleyes:

If I wanted a 4X4, I would probably get something different anyway....like a Jeep or something.

My offroading is accomplished on a dirt bike. No creeping over trails for me!!!

there's a debate?

I thought it was just about simple math. 2+2=4.

If you have 4 wheels, why not use all of them?

You really should contact OFF-ROAD and talk them into working with you on a project vehicle. They'd probably buy into that. They'd get to create a crazy Xterra, with fiberglass fenders, a 200watt sound system and some fat (not phat) wheels. Don't get me wrong, I am a subscriber, but I think you need to stop saying someday, my prince will come" and go out and start picking up guys, it's faster.

Where's the bashing in stating that Todrick's 4x2 is not as capable as a 4x4. Where the bashing in stating that nothing about 4x2 X says "I'm a desert runner as much as your 4x4 is an off-roader". You buy a stock 4x4 Xterra and you're buying a capabale 4x4. You buy a stock 4x2 and you're defintiely not buying a capable desert racer.

Todrick proclaimed that the people who own 4x4's are ignorant and biased towards this whole pre-runner/desert racer concept. Call it what you want, but nowhere is the X advertised as or meant to be a desert racer in the first place. Where's the option to buy the desert racer package?

Talking about racing the X in the desert is like me getting on the bass fishing board and wondering why there isn't any interest in turning my 12hp jon boat into a cigarette boat. Maybe because that's not what it was meant to do to begin with.

There's no bashing, it's just kinda the way it is.

that would be true if there was no bashing... it IS definately the way it is

Rockcrawling no. Off-road events, yes. Something
the 4wd X was built to do.

All I'm saying is that if the X were built/sold/marketed as a pre-runner, with pre-runner options, you'd probably have more people talking about it. The X is sold with 4wd, therefore you have a lot people here in XOC naturally talking about off-roading. Off-roading and having 4wd go hand in hand. Anyway, I'm not trying to argue with you, rather just explain why there is so much 4x4 off-road talk within XOC. It's a major part of the whole Xterra concept.

i cant take it anymore

please see my post here

Let me get in a few words here, I own a 4x2 and enjoy the f*@k out of it Off/On road. If the trail gets too hard for the X I simply unload the KX 250 and away I go:) probably pass a few 4x4's on the way:P..anyways this is rediculous(spelling) if somebody in a 4x2 wants to lift their X, why not its their truck their making the payments on it not some 4x4:freak:that is questioning his motifs. I'll be putting in the shackels in back and cranking the torsion bars next week. We all have Xterra's and that is why I'm here..."can't we all just get along"

Wouldn't that by Type R ?

Bully syndrome.

They get tired of being picked on and beaten up by the bigger kids (Land Rovers, Jeeps, etc . . .), so they find the nearest little kid (in their eyes) and start bullying him. Makes 'em feel big.

Ah well, I like my truck. Of course, when it comes time to do any real off-roading (if I ever get back into it), I'll buy a nice, decent, road-worthy old CJ, and beat the shit out of it.
The Xterra stays on the road for the next little while . . . .

Nope. I'm smart enough to sit and watch the big dogs climb their modified rigs over obstacles I have to drive around. I would be pretty dillusional to start telling them how my 4x4 is as capable as theirs.

And you know what. Once they see I'm not carrying an attitude, and look at the trail I just made it up in my SUV we get to having a normal conversation about our rigs, trails we should check out and sharing our common interest.

NOTE: Just an enquiry, not a quest for flames . . . .

Ian has said more than once that he wishes all XOCers, who do not own an Xterra, would stop posting to the Xterra Owner's Club.

I believe Ian owns a 4x4, not a 4x2.

Maybe the 4x4 people should stop posting in the 2wd forum?

Although, I do so enjoy seeing Ian come where he knows he's going to disagree with someone, then getting all pissed off because the 2wd pepole (Todrick) tell him to take a hike . . . kinda nauseating in its frequency, actually . . . :rolleyes:

Just asking a question, all I'm doin' here . . .

Someone stop the madness.

If you are in this thread to talk about the 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate please take it to here:
4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)

Thank you... this has been a test of the emerency broadcast system.

LAX has a good point

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