Um... you're the one who has been saying for 2 years that a 2WD will go where a 4WD will go depending on the driver.

I'm glad you finally got to see what a real 4WD trail looks like.

i have seen 4x4 trails before.... and i have always said that a 4x2 will not go everywhere a 4x4 can.... i have said a 4x2 will go a lot further than you give it credit for...

as for the "driver" issue:
do you honestly think a complete novice with a novice spotter could have ran that?

at the same time, obviously a 4x2 can not run a trail like odessa in its current condition... it was very different in may

we've covered all of this and it is a tired debate...

why not just agree that Odessa is one bad ass trail and it is quite an accomplishment that the x's were able to run it... and just be happy that the X again proved it is more capable than most people think

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I never disagreed with that statement, or anything similar to it. I know Odessa is a tough trail.

The Xterra is just as capable as most any other SUV. Less so than a 4Runner, Amigo, or Rodeo, but more so than most.

You're just whiny because you bought a station wagon.

This is a funny post. The reason I say that is I went to check for a personalized plate today on a website for the State of AZ. It asks for your original plate number and the last two digits of the V.I.N. for verification. When I put it in, the descrition of my vehicle was 4DSW (4 door station wagon). It's a four wheel drive, go figure......

One odd thing I noticed in calico was the descriptions jason and I were getting were so different.

The ranger jason asked told him no way an X could make it.

I asked the same ranger about odessa canyon and he said it was tough but I could do it.


I met the jeepers that ran the canyon at the opening of the canyon and they said I shouldn't have a problem.

Now I wonder whether all these people just wanted me to ruin my truck? Or whether they thought I just looked crazy enough to do it.

Who knows maybe the hair threw them off.

ok that was good.... old and tired but still funny...

so i can expect to see you next year at WEST X?

would be neat to get 2 or 3 groups wishing to run odessa... one group could go each day... then all the people who dont want to do it would have ample time to hike it and witness it

he dd vary a couple times but what it came down to i think was you would make it but not without serious damage



are these the same ones that were in odessa with the X's... they very deffinately said "you shouldn't have driven those in here" & "you guys are nuts... but thats cool"



this is quite possible... maybe they saw that you already ripped the trim off your truck in that wash and figured you didn't care

Add mud to that and you have Tellico difficult rated trails.

How VERY true about that "Add mud" comment!!

That's because the ranger saw the difference between Jason's low rider, and your 4X4 D:

You coming to Moab or what ?

hee hee. Actually with my torsion bars goin out and my leaf springs flattening I am the low rider. Looks like I will be attending the moab madness possibly with jackel running along with me. By then the springs will be replaced under warranty and new torsion bars will be installed so I will be all good.

That'll never happen Cheech!

You do have to consider the changes that Odessa Canyon will go through in the course of a year...flash floods, erosion, etc.
Maybe a rainstorm will clear out the debris or make it even harder to drive through, but then again, we drive Xterras and we have Xtreme drivers on the wheel!

honestly i think if odessa changes before the next event it will become tamer...

i have been visiting the area for 9 years and this last trip has been the only time i have seen it like that... its conditions usually vary but generally it spends a while becoming more mellow and then some huge flood makes it a monster...

this last flood must have been enormous