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#139301 - 26/02/08 04:36 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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More fuel for the fire.

I agree with Jorge, these are all just smear campaigns plain and simple. See it works both ways. LOOK! He's not placing his hand over his heart!



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Former U.S. President George Bush, center, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, left, and retired General Norman Schwarzkopf, right, stand at attention during the playing of the National Anthem Monday, Feb. 26, 2001, at the American Embassy in Kuwait at the ceremony marking the 10th anniversary of the liberation of Kuwait. (AP Photo/Gustavo Ferrari)
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#139302 - 26/02/08 05:06 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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More fuel for the fire.

I agree with Jorge, these are all just smear campaigns plain and simple. See it works both ways. LOOK! He's not placing his hand over his heart!


Nice try Samuel. It doesn't mean a thing. How does anyone know he didn't put his hand on his heart a second after the photo was shot.

I posted a video of Obama. A big difference.

Just because the lunatics at The Huffington Post say that picture is one thing, it doesn't make it so.

.........................................

Getting back to Obama....... If he is wearing that Somali Muslim outfit out of some type of respect for someone or something, how come he refuses to wear an American flag pin? Why no respect for the national anthem?

Surely his own country and flag is deserving of more respect than some Somali Muslim outfit. Maybe not for a radical like Obama.

Also.... Why was he dressed like a Somali? He was in Kenya. People in Kenya don't dress like that. Obama isn't a Somali or decedent of Somali's.

Somalia is a lawless haven for violent jihadists
and Al Qaeda. Who was Obama supposed to be respecting while in Kenya?

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#139303 - 26/02/08 05:08 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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I would like to know how Billary and Osama are going to pay for their Socialized medical care for every man, woman, child and illegal alien (I know how already)?

I have tried to watch their last two "debates". What a joke. They are both bullshitters. They want the Socialist medical care for everyone, but have yet to say how the American people are going to pay for it. Why not Jorge? You and I live in the most taxed State in the Union, with taxes going up because of Corzine. You want to pay more taxes for Billary's health "plan"? Not me bro.

Where is Osama's stance on the military? He has none.

I love how they both pandered in Texas to all the illegals about the wall going up and how if elected they would tear it down. Osama says we need to improve Mexico's economy so the illegals won't come across. [Freak] How about worrying about our own economy?

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#139304 - 26/02/08 05:21 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by Stonecoldchavez:

I love how they both pandered in Texas to all the illegals about the wall going up and how if elected they would tear it down.
Yeah, that pandering in that debate was pretty sickening.

Tonight the debate is in Ohio. You are going to hear a lot of anti-trade, anti-capitalist, anti-profit rhetoric from both of them.

Don't know yet if Obama will be wearing his turbin. wink

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#139305 - 26/02/08 05:24 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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I don't get why the debate host's lob softball's to these candidates?

Why not ask them the specifics of their "plans"?

That really pisses me off.
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#139306 - 26/02/08 05:32 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Madman,

You bring up good points and I don't have hard answers vindicating or condemning the man. I only know what I've read on the subject of Obama and the pin, pledge, and muslim dress issue. The issues are in my personal opinion open to interpretation based on a persons own disposition. Nothing I have read leads me personally to cast the man into such a negative light that I would dismiss him over Clinton or McCain as a candidate.

If I decide to play the "lesser of two evils" game and vote for someone, I am going to have a hard time between the dems and reps if it's Obama vs McCain. I actually think Obama has more integrity than McCain and that alone would get my vote.

I may not even vote...again... as I am still having a hard time swallowing the "vote for the lesser of two evils" pill.

I also agree with Jorge, not directly in defense of Obama, though I did defend him as I think it's a prime example of the bullshit, non-issue related campaining tactics that both parties use. The campaigning from both sides always boils down to dirty tactics and it is really getting tiring and that is why I posted the Bush images and took the defensive position for Obama.

I think any candidate is open to these types of attacks and they have absolutely nothing to do with the actual issues that need addressed in our nation. It just plain disgusts me that it always turns into this. It's like children on a schoolyard.

I know your position on McCain madman, so if it comes down to him vs Obama, what are you going to do?
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#139307 - 26/02/08 05:40 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by Samueul:

I think any candidate is open to these types of attacks and they have absolutely nothing to do with the actual issues that need addressed in our nation. It just plain disgusts me that it always turns into this. It's like children on a schoolyard.

I know your position on McCain madman, so if it comes down to him vs Obama, what are you going to do?
I'm not sure you quite get it. The Democrats don't want to talk about issues. They do everything to avoid saying exactly what they think and what they want to do. If they told the truth, the public at large wouldn't vote for these people.

Who will I vote for? I don't know. I will never vote for Obama. He is the most radical and furthest to the left of almost any national Democrat.

I'll put something together about Obama before next week's election. His ideas, his connections, and his past and recent public policy positions.

You'll never vote for him once you read it.

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#139308 - 26/02/08 05:48 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
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Originally posted by Samueul:

[b]I think any candidate is open to these types of attacks and they have absolutely nothing to do with the actual issues that need addressed in our nation. It just plain disgusts me that it always turns into this. It's like children on a schoolyard.

I know your position on McCain madman, so if it comes down to him vs Obama, what are you going to do?
I'm not sure you quite get it. The Democrats don't want to talk about issues. They do everything to avoid saying exactly what they think and what they want to do. If they told the truth, the public at large wouldn't vote for these people.

Who will I vote for? I don't know. I will never vote for Obama. He is the most radical and furthest to the left of almost any national Democrat.

I'll put something together about Obama before next week's election. His ideas, his connections, and his past and recent public policy positions.

You'll never vote for him once you read it.[/b]
I look forward to it.
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#139309 - 26/02/08 06:06 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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The Debate:

-- Right out of the box Hillary goes after NAFTA.

-- Obama is turbanless tonight.

-- Hillary denies having anything to do with Obama Somali outfit photo. Who cares if Hillary sent it out. Barry Hussein never said the photo wasn't real.

-- Obama is complaining that Hillary's campaign attacks him too much. Is this guy a whining bitch?

-- Blah, blah, blah, healthcare, healthcare, healthcare, healthcare, healthcare, healthcare

-- I think I might have heard Hillary tell Obama she can get him a part in the next "Johnny Quest" movie if he leaves the race.... Not sure.... :p



Overall it was a much better debate than the CNN softball suckfest last week.

Russert hit each with a few tough questions. Obama seemed a little arrogant at times. When asked the questions about Louis Farrakhan, Obama gave a big disingenuous smirk when he finished. It was almost the same when asked about his controversial pastor of his church. Russert should have gone deeper into that issue.

Russert also hit Hillary with the lack of tax forms being released and her records in the archives. He could have pressed that a little harder too.

It would have been better if Russert hit Obama with that question about the new guy coming into power in Russia.

It seemed Hillary did better earlier on, but Obama picked up speed with his bullshit later into the debate.

VOTE HILLARY CLINTON on March 4....

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#139310 - 27/02/08 04:35 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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hahaha!! He does look like Hajji in that picture! Where is Bandit? smile

I agree with you MadMan. MSNBC was much tougher on them last night than CNN.

16 minutes on healthcare and she said nothing of substance.

What about her complaining on getting the questions asked of her first? Who cares? ANSWER the damn question! Simple yes or no answer turns into campaign spin.

I will admit Obama is a smooth talker. He did not waiver in his tone all night. Whereas Billary was clearly rattled at some questions.

Why has she not released her joint tax-returns? Do they not want to show they didn't pay taxes on Bill's "overseas" businesses?

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#139311 - 28/02/08 11:25 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Obama to Ohio voters... "You're Idiots."

It seems Obama is treating the voters of Ohio like a bunch of idiots. He is going around fanning the flames that their state's problems are due to NAFTA and making claims he will do something about it.

Yet, his campaign has been secretly telling the Canadians to ignore the rhetoric and that it is just campaign talk to get votes. You know.. from those idiots in Ohio who would presumably believe anything he says.

From Canada:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080227/dems_nafta_080227/20080227

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Barack Obama has ratcheted up his attacks on NAFTA, but a senior member of his campaign team told a Canadian official not to take his criticisms seriously, CTV News has learned.

Both Obama and Hillary Clinton have been critical of the long-standing North American Free Trade Agreement over the course of the Democratic primaries, saying that the deal has cost U.S. workers' jobs.

Within the last month, a top staff member for Obama's campaign telephoned Michael Wilson, Canada's ambassador to the United States, and warned him that Obama would speak out against NAFTA, according to Canadian sources.

The staff member reassured Wilson that the criticisms would only be campaign rhetoric, and should not be taken at face value.

But Tuesday night in Ohio, where NAFTA is blamed for massive job losses, Obama said he would tell Canada and Mexico "that we will opt out unless we renegotiate the core labour and environmental standards."
The Audacity of Bullshit

It's kind of pathetic. He's telling Ohio voters one thing, then telling a trading partner that he is just bullshitting the people of Ohio for the sake of their votes.

Here is a Canadian TV news report on the issue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAJYMgX4JuU

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#139312 - 28/02/08 12:22 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Thankfully Billary will be knocked out next week, I'm looking forward to that.

Here is a little blurb from an article about McCain's possible VP selection. I'd like Petraeus or Rice.

Out of our various finalists, the preliminary top picks for McCain's VP nominee would appear to be (in alphabetical order): Haley Barbour, Charlie Crist, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Tim Pawlenty, and Condi Rice, with wild cards reserved for Joe Lieberman, David Petraeus, and Tom Ridge. None is a perfect match for McCain, but no Veep choice ever is for any presidential candidate. As long as there is no scandal, the VP nominee will fade into the background by October, too. It always happens that way, despite the media hubbub when the nominee is announced.

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#139313 - 28/02/08 12:40 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by great pyr-hauler:

Thankfully Billary will be knocked out next week, I'm looking forward to that.
I'm lost as to your desire to knock Hillary out of the race over Obama.

Obama is the far more dangerous one.

Too many Republicans are thinking emotionally over this issue and not strategically.

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Here is a little blurb from an article about McCain's possible VP selection. I'd like Petraeus or Rice.

Out of our various finalists, the preliminary top picks for McCain's VP nominee would appear to be (in alphabetical order): Haley Barbour, Charlie Crist, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Tim Pawlenty, and Condi Rice, with wild cards reserved for Joe Lieberman, David Petraeus, and Tom Ridge. None is a perfect match for McCain, but no Veep choice ever is for any presidential candidate. As long as there is no scandal, the VP nominee will fade into the background by October, too. It always happens that way, despite the media hubbub when the nominee is announced.
All those VP candidates SUCK with the possible exception of maybe Haley Barbour. None add anything significant to the ticket.

Putting General David Petraeus' name in there is also very premature. He is a career soldier and still has a job to do. A job of which he is needed. The country doesn't need him quitting the military and joining up with the likes of McCain.

If Petraeus wants to be a politician in the future (which there is little or no indication of any such ambitions) he would be wise not to hitch his wagon to someone like McCain.

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#139314 - 28/02/08 01:02 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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My desire to knock Hillary out is based on me not wanting to look at, or hear from her for 4-8 years. I can handle Obama if I have to, even if I don't agree with him on anything. As I stated before I think Obama would be a figure head president.

I'll support McCain after Clinton is out, but I'm in Illinois so I don't matter either way, Obama will win Illinois without breaking a sweat. So would Clinton for that matter.

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#139315 - 28/02/08 01:21 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by great pyr-hauler:

My desire to knock Hillary out is based on me not wanting to look at, or hear from her for 4-8 years. I can handle Obama if I have to, even if I don't agree with him on anything. As I stated before I think Obama would be a figure head president.

I'll support McCain after Clinton is out, but I'm in Illinois so I don't matter either way, Obama will win Illinois without breaking a sweat. So would Clinton for that matter.
Hillary wouldn't win in November. That is why you should be supporting and rooting for her in the primaries.

As I said earlier, you may be thinking emotionally and not strategically.

I also disagree with the term "figure head" president.

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#139316 - 28/02/08 01:29 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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McCain is going to get blasted in the election by either Dem.....it will be ugly. Bob Dole ugly.

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#139317 - 28/02/08 01:42 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by great pyr-hauler:

McCain is going to get blasted in the election by either Dem.....it will be ugly. Bob Dole ugly.
"Oh Ye of little faith."

There is no doubt that McCain is an extremely flawed candidate and probably one of the biggest turds and assholes in politics to boot.

But, a lot can happen from now until November. McCain could get hit by a truck. That bulge on his left cheek could explode and take his head with it. [LOL]

But, even he can probably beat Hillary.

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#139318 - 29/02/08 08:42 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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I knew she was in cahoots with the Devil... Have I mentioned that I hate this woman?
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#139319 - 29/02/08 09:03 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Does anyone know if Madman even drives an Xterra? He only pops up around here around election time, and then crawls back into his hole once it's over.

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#139320 - 29/02/08 01:12 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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I knew she was in cahoots with the Devil... Have I mentioned that I hate this woman?
Many of us hate her, but often the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.

"In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."..... Barack Hussein Obama - "Audacity of Hope"

As you can see in the post directly above this one.... whenever the leftist messiah, Barack Hussein Obama, is examined or questioned, his followers and disciples begin to foam at the mouth.

In a bizarre twist, "Saturday Night Live" is now starting to come under fire for having a white guy portray the messiah in skits....

Link to article....

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#139321 - 29/02/08 01:19 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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That's Obama's Houston campaign headquarters. The same one that had the "Che" flags inside.

Some other guy named Hussein had his picture painted all over buildings somewhere too.

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#139322 - 02/03/08 09:29 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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wtf is your problem with Che? You have no family do you?

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#139323 - 03/03/08 02:31 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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wtf is your problem with Che? You have no family do you?
What's my problem with Che? [Freak] What the hell planet do you live on?

The question should be rather, why don't YOU have a problem with Che? The fact that you don't indicates some serious issues on your part.

Che Guevara was a Marxist totalitarian tyrant and brutal murderer.

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#139324 - 03/03/08 03:23 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Everything I've ever read about Che basically points to his abject failure at anything he tried to do. Seems like he had one "lucky" hit at making his "ideology" work in Cuba and that's about it.... If you have a picture of him on your wall, you're an idiot.
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#139325 - 03/03/08 07:40 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Does anyone know if Madman even drives an Xterra? He only pops up around here around election time, and then crawls back into his hole once it's over.
Funny. We could ask the same of you.

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