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#167656 - 21/06/07 12:46 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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That getclippings.com website is pretty cool. Thanks for the heads up. Already threw a couple funny ones at friends.

If you have a few seconds, check out the others people are throwing out there by taking the web address (the one quoted for example: http://getclippings.com/image.php?id=363075) and just change the last number. Go down or up from that 363075 using only odd numbers.

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#167657 - 21/06/07 12:54 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by Origami Gangsta:
W

Now, about that whole Asians are good at math thing.. laugh
They don't call us the "Model Minority" for nothin!

Except for that nutjob at Virgina Tech. [Crybaby]
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#167658 - 21/06/07 12:57 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by B.:
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Originally posted by Big Daddy Chia:
[b]Young black men need to take a page from the Will Smith rags to riches with out cussing and using nigga dis nigga dat in every song. Now I know he has cussed in some movies but the majority of the stuff he does is minus cussing and all that.
As I understand it, the real rags to riches story was Uncle Phil's. Will just got ride on his coat tail after he got in one little fight and his mom got scared.[/b]
LOL, that was good. "West Philadelphia born and raised on the playground is where i spent most of my days."[/b]
"when a couple of guys, they were up to no good - started makin trouble in my neighborhood...."
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#167659 - 21/06/07 01:37 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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You see the moral and ethical decay of this country is the reason events like that happen. There is no one specific cause for this but a large part is to blame on the liberal ideology of a free open more socialist society where one can do "as they feel."
A free, open society is hardly contingent upon socialism. Socialism has a meaning, and that meaning has nothing to do with a free, open society. People "doing as they feel" isn't a bad thing, unless it violates the civil rights of others.

Can you, in good conscience, blame the moral and ethical decay of our society on personal liberty? Do you truly believe that incidents of mob violence would be prevented if our government severely limited personal liberty? Which parts of our free, open society would we need to restrict in order to maintain civility? Freedom of movement, right to assembly, right to bear arms?

More importantly, would certain sectors of our society be best suited by these restrictions?

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#167660 - 21/06/07 01:52 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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re: More importantly, would certain sectors of our society be best suited by these restrictions?

HELL YES .. ALL Urban/Suburban/Metropolitan areas.
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#167661 - 21/06/07 02:46 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by Shahram:
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Originally posted by xterra3202:
[b]You see the moral and ethical decay of this country is the reason events like that happen. There is no one specific cause for this but a large part is to blame on the liberal ideology of a free open more socialist society where one can do "as they feel."
A free, open society is hardly contingent upon socialism. Socialism has a meaning, and that meaning has nothing to do with a free, open society. People "doing as they feel" isn't a bad thing, unless it violates the civil rights of others.

Can you, in good conscience, blame the moral and ethical decay of our society on personal liberty? Do you truly believe that incidents of mob violence would be prevented if our government severely limited personal liberty? Which parts of our free, open society would we need to restrict in order to maintain civility? Freedom of movement, right to assembly, right to bear arms?

More importantly, would certain sectors of our society be best suited by these restrictions?[/b]
I wouldn't blame it on personal liberty. I'd blame it on the erosion of established moral and ethical standards which are constantly under attack by leftists whose sole purpose is to undermine the Christian establishment this country was founded on.

Don't take this the wrong way. I am not 100% against this idea, however, they're attacking the wrong things by going after the whole idea. Those Christian fundamentals were not bad things - they taught right and wrong, how you should treat your fellow man, and compassion towards others. But instead of hanging onto those values, and focusing on the religious fanatacism aspect of it, they've instead attacked the entire institution in the interest of creating anarchy. The result is a generation with a distorted sense of right and wrong and the establishment that remains that can still promote morality and being a decent person has been attacked and eroded beyond credibility to this group of people. Their role models are replaced with anarchists, gangsta rappers, and the distorted reality of television and celebrity.

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#167662 - 21/06/07 04:36 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by KJ_dragon:

Except for that nutjob at Virgina Tech. [Crybaby]
How would it look if someone said, "and Koreans wonder why we look down upon them."
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#167663 - 22/06/07 05:59 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Because the majority of Koreans are not nut jobs.

However, I very confidently say that the majority of black people DO act in a manner that indicts themselves. Therefore it is an accurate statement to say black people are "blah blah blah."

And to black people out there, I'm sorry, but I think you look, sound, and act retarded, so you can stop with the gangsta shit. A mutant fish-frog would look less retarded than your wannabe-thug ass, and your 100x too big clothes, and your bling that's as big as my Xterra. You look ridiculous. Ok I'm done ranting.

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#167664 - 22/06/07 06:33 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by GingerKidzFTW:

However, I very confidently say that the majority of black people DO act in a manner that indicts themselves. Therefore it is an accurate statement to say black people are "blah blah blah."

And to black people out there, I'm sorry, but I think you look, sound, and act retarded, so you can stop with the gangsta shit. A mutant fish-frog would look less retarded than your wannabe-thug ass, and your 100x too big clothes, and your bling that's as big as my Xterra. You look ridiculous. Ok I'm done ranting.
Unreal. It blows my mind that people still have this mindset. eek
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#167665 - 22/06/07 07:17 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Obviously not a lot of "Caucasianly Impared" people here to defend themselves. Shame.
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#167666 - 22/06/07 07:36 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Humans tend to generalize.

We do.

So it leads to us looking at what we see, and assuming that what we can't see extends beyond that.

Most of the time, we're right...so we survive, its fine...

Like the fish here can be caught with earth worms...so we try the worms for OTHER fish.

Sometimes, its wrong...like it worked in the lake, but not in the ocean...

Same with race judgements.

I have freinds who are cops for example...they start out as reasonably open minded about race, the black people they were in contact with made no special impression.

....then, they are thrust into an urban jungle environment, all the black people they are dealing with are trying to kill, rob others, they dress and talk differently, have no regard for others' lives or property...and would kill him if they thought they'd get away with it.

After a few years of THAT, they do NOT see Black people the same...NOW, Blacks are dehumanized scum, animals...the enemy.

They can't tell the good ones from the bad ones...like the soldiers in 'NAM
- they want to just kill them all, and let God sort it out....

So - if the blacks you see are like that...that's who blacks are generailzed to be like...that's a very natural generalization.

But, it can be adjusted to realize that all humans in those conditions are like that...and the blacks do the same thing..."white people hate us"...because the white people THEY know, DO.

laugh

So - If you fish in the ocean, and I fish in lakes...we each have our own ideas as to what fish are like...
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#167667 - 22/06/07 07:40 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by GingerKidzFTW:
Because the majority of Koreans are not nut jobs.

However, I very confidently say that the majority of black people DO act in a manner that indicts themselves. Therefore it is an accurate statement to say black people are "blah blah blah."

And to black people out there, I'm sorry, but I think you look, sound, and act retarded, so you can stop with the gangsta shit. A mutant fish-frog would look less retarded than your wannabe-thug ass, and your 100x too big clothes, and your bling that's as big as my Xterra. You look ridiculous. Ok I'm done ranting.
eek Damn, tell us what you really think. [Freak]

I just thought of something as to why people's perception is so warped. If only a small percentage of Muslims make up the "radical" terrorists, it sure would be nice to see the vast majority stand up and call them out as being wrong. Instead, it's nothing but silence. Same thing on this issue. Blacks who make it big like athletes, rappers, politicians, etc. do nothing to condone their actions. Actually, they make it worse. Poplular black athletes do idiotic things (i.e. T.O., Pacman, Moss, Bonds, A.I., majority of NBA players-although they're trying to clean up their image, The Cincinati Bengals, and many more). I've already used the Sharpton and Jackson example for politicians. Rappers... well, I don't have to explain anything there. They pretty much speak for themselves. Whoever brought up the Will Smith example... that's a good one. Unfortunately, he's in the minority along with T-Mac, Garnett, Griffey, Tiger, Colin Powell, etc. How can anyone call the "thugs" out? confused
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#167668 - 22/06/07 08:02 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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I have nothing against people who are Muslim, because I understand that the MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ARE GOOD, PEACEFUL PEOPLE. A small number of extremist are the problem group in that bunch.

That’s completely different than the Black race topic though. There a few psycho extremist Muslims that ruin it for a very large group of tolerant, peaceful group of normal people that practice Islam. But, as far as I’ve observed, there are far more “thugs” than there are upstanding, community benefiting black citizens in this country. The “gangster culture” is the majority, so yeah generalization is definitely apparent.

I know enough good natured black people to know that they’re not all bad. But that is a select few. Sad truth is up until a couple years ago I didn’t have this opinion because I wasn’t exposed to too many black people. Then I went to college and witnessed first hand “thug” behavior. Since then more and more black people have been moving into my hometown. Drug trafficking and violent crime is at an all time high. What am I supposed to think? I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

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#167669 - 22/06/07 08:16 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by GingerKidzFTW:
[qb]How can anyone call the "thugs" out? confused
You saw what happened when Bill Cosby spoke some truth or Morgan Freeman said we should do away with Black History Month.

Tracy Jordan, the Black Crusaders are coming for you.

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#167670 - 22/06/07 08:16 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by GingerKidzFTW:
But, as far as I’ve observed, there are far more “thugs” than there are upstanding, community benefiting black citizens in this country.
Altoona, PA's is 97% white, 1.38% black. Something tells me you are making a generalization.

I live in a primarily black neighborhood, 61.78% Black. And hell, if they were all thugs, believe me, I wouldn't be there.

I have wonderful neighbors, thoughful, considerate people, who happen to be black.
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#167671 - 22/06/07 08:28 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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And seriously, it is a different fish scenario.
We're as TJ was saying "Cognitive Misers"

Cognitive Miser:
A mental characteristic in which the least amount of attention and mental effort needed to process information is used. This concept assumes that humans are limited in their capacity to process information and, therefore, make use of automatic processes (mental shortcuts, formally referred to as cognitive heuristics) that simplify complex problems. In other words, all other things being equal, we are motivated to use relatively effortless and simple mental shortcuts that provide rapid but often inaccurate solutions rather than effortful and complex mental processing that provides delayed but often more accurate solutions.

(look at that- all that college money was worth something)

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I'm from Louisiana. It's not worth talking about what I viewed and as a result how I viewed black people there.

When I moved to Phoenix, it was total night and day difference- almost a culture shock in some areas. Sadly enough I was astonished at the differences in education levels, societal actions, and over all effort to be respected of the black people here. Sure as in every race there are the lower ends of the pole here, but again, sadly, none of my friends that I had in Louisiana were surpirsed at the actions portrayed on their television screens during the Katrina coverage.

Different kinds of fish- well said.

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#167672 - 22/06/07 08:44 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by GingerKidzFTW:
[b]But, as far as I’ve observed, there are far more “thugs” than there are upstanding, community benefiting black citizens in this country.
Altoona, PA's is 97% white, 1.38% black.[/b]
And growing quickly along with the rate of crime and unemployment. :rolleyes: And I have spent the past couple years in a couple very diverse places outside of Altoona, PA as well.

Isn't there anyone else who wants to chime that may have similar opinions? Remember, it's not only okay for blake people to talk bad about white people, it's ok for white people to talk about race too.

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#167673 - 22/06/07 10:05 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Prison Polulation in 1997
White - 3,429,000
Black - 2,149,900
Other - 113,600 http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/cpracetab.htm

Number of Caucasian as reported by the Census in 1997 living in the US - 190.5 million

Number of Blacks as reported by the Census in 1997 living in the US - 34.2 million

This means that Blacks are more violent and or unlawful per capita than other race. Take the feelings out of the arguement and the facts show what is going on.

That said, saying that all blacks are likely to do things that are considered "bad" is wrong. It is true to say that it is more likely that a black person will do something unlawful over any other race here in the United States.

Nothing racist about facts.
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#167674 - 22/06/07 10:38 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by XOC:
It is true to say that it is more likely that a black person will do something unlawful over any other race here in the United States.

Nothing racist about facts.
But, it's not politically correct . :rolleyes: That's probably a whole separate issue, but just another item that would help decrease racism if it went away.
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#167675 - 22/06/07 10:58 AM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Interpretation of the facts is different from straight facts.

Saying there are more of one group than another group, proportionally in a population (Jail for example), is not racist at all.

Assuming WHY there are more of one group than another is an interpretation of those facts.

IE:

People with black hair are therefore (Based upon the black/hispanic #'s alone...) more likely to be in Jail than blondes, proportionally to the population of the USA...

OK - Proportionally, more black haired people are in jail than blondes...the black haired population is therefore over represented in the prison population.

So that proves people with black hair are genetically more prone to crime than blondes?

eek

For example, it would be more relevent if the statistics were for a particular demographic area, say one neighborhood.

More along the lines of, for a particular neighborhood, does the proportion of races match that of those jailed from that neighborhood?

Can we correct for the extensively documented bias of the justice system, which assumes the black man is guilty on a higher percentage than a white man?...thus leading to higher conviction rates of those arrested, etc...? (Pretend YOU are in the jury...and you already admittted you believe blacks are genetically prone to crime...)

Otherwise, one could use the same statistical analysis in the above posts to arrive at a number of questionable conclusions.

(Made up but vaguely reasonable numbers for an example...)

Number of people who ate caviar in the USA: 3 million

Number of People in USA who drank Pepsi: 100 million

Number of Pepsi Drinkers Jailed in USA: 5 million

Number of Caviar Eaters Jailed in USA: 4

Obviously, people who eat caviar are less likely to go to jail.

And - you think about that...and say, You know, that's true...not many caviar eaters in jail.

Is the important thing that they ate caviar?

Is the important thing that they had caviar because they could afford it, or a good lawyer?

laugh

Do we say, hmmm, OBVIOUSLY, Pepsi drinkers are more likely to be criminals than caviar eaters?

If we run acros a Pepsi Drinker, as he falls into the higher criminality group...should we assume he is a criminal?

If we run into a guy with black hair, as he falls into the higher criminality group...should we assume he is a criminal?

I think we do...if the black haired fish we are used to drink Pepsi.

[drink]
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#167676 - 22/06/07 12:02 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Fuckin' Pepsi drinkers. Hang all them bastards.

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#167677 - 22/06/07 01:28 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Here's a better analogy to the interpretation of the statistics:

If the premise is that if there are proportionally more blacks in prison than in the country's population, therefore blacks are more criminal by nature,...

...look at a parallel population...

The military.

Look at what percentage in the military are black vs white...blacks are also over represented in the armed forces.

Does that mean that blacks are also genetically more patriotic than whites?

Braver than whites?

laugh

The statistics don't lie...but they don't always tell the truth either.

There's Liars, DAMNED LIARS, and statisticians.
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#167678 - 22/06/07 01:49 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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I bet if you redraw those comparisons in relation to the poverty line, it all comes up about the same.

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#167679 - 22/06/07 02:03 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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Originally posted by XOC:

This means that Blacks are more violent and or unlawful per capita than other race. Take the feelings out of the arguement and the facts show what is going on.
You're being far too simplistic. There are lots of factors here besides race that you're simply ignoring - income, family situation, etc. I frankly find it pretty shocking when people pull these kind of stats and conclude that one race or another is more prone to violence, lawbreaking, etc.

That's just ignorance, plain and simple. No offense intended.

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#167680 - 22/06/07 02:04 PM Re: And black people wonder why people look down upon them
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can't we all just get along!!!! smile

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