next time someone makes a stink about how bad they dont want America involved in the war in Iraq think about this.

The American soldier who pulls home a measley paycheck
The American soldier who dies and doesnt know why
The American soldier who lives with constant heat and sand and misery
The American soldier who isnt involved in politics and has no say in when where or why
The American solider who hasnt seen his girflriend/wife/children/parents/friends in 9-13 months
The American soldier....wonder how bad he wants to come home

Go ahead and argue who was right and who was wrong. Like i said its beating a dead horse. The Iraqi people (cept for the zealots) are generally happier now. If for nothing else it was worth it. I know alot of people over there most of my graduating class from VFMC is over there right now.
This whole post sickens me
Its the worst kind of Spin ive ever seen.
Welcome to the new age Rhetorical Press.
Oh and just so you know Bush doesnt fool me, Clinton doesnt fool me I know the truth They are all slimbag politicians but their also doing the best they can do in the office WE elected them too.
have a nice life

I don't see the connection at all.

Nobody is questioning the soldiers' actions. Who put them in harm's way? The administration. Is it right? It's their job and duty. Was it right to keep them in harm's way in Vietnam? It was their job and duty.

I will support our soldiers. If they are put in harm's way, they have to do whatever is asked of them, so they get OUT of harm's way as soon as possible. That doesn't mean I have to support the person who put them in harm's for reasons I find questionable.

Questioning the administration does NOT equal questioning the soldiers and it does NOT equal questioning America. Why is it so hard for some people to understand that?

it's this simple. if the people dont want us to go to war then why did you send us??? your an american you vote. i work for the us army, who in turn works for the congress, senate and president who in turn works for YOU!! when bullets fly and friends of mine die shut the fuck up get behind the poor soldier who has to be there and leave your panzy ass liberal, socialist, flower child views to yourself. im willing to die yes die as in six feet under never to kiss my fiance again so YOU can say whatever and do whatever you want, nice that someone else does that for you, huh?? i dont care if your liberal or conservative just remember all those men and women who have to be there. the simple fact is that clinton was so inept and was so derilict in his duties that we were forced to do what we did. if youve never served in the military keep your mouth shut and love this country or leave it. and if you want to leave and you dont like it so bad, give me a call and ill personally kick your ass to whatever repressive hell hole you pick. when you sleep tonight in your warm bed with your loved one next to you remember all those troopers who are wondering if they will ever come home. i guess thats all sorry for the cursing but sometimes stupid people need to be kicked in the ass to see just how dumb they are.

And if Saddam did use Weapons of Mass Destruction and we did not stop it, then you would be bashing the government and blaming them for thousands of deaths........this is getting boring!!!!!!! Opinion is great and everyone has one, but find something new. I remember getting bashed for posting a topic about a sky diver having his cord cut,and him plunging 13,000 feet to his death. At least it was something different. We know that some of you do not agree with the government. If it so bad here in America, get out, but quit bitching about it..........

What a bunch of angry motherfuckers you all are. Kill this, kill that... pathetic.

Well since Ian dont like me much I will have to agree with everything that post says. As a history buff and war buff I have studied a lot on the wars we have been in and everything that posts says is true.

You put up with bullshit at work ?
Is that why you get high all the time ?

Maybe you should find a job where people treat you with respect.

WTF does Ian's post have to do with his private life?.Judging from his CV, he has acomplished more than a few of you put together....

I re-read the post and have to say I could call bullshit on 5% of it. No one blames the people doing the dirty work..blame the administration.

Let;s get a little wager going, I put $20 on Iran is next. Bush is too much of a pussy to react to the taunts from N. Korea (even though I think a dictator who claims they are going full steam ahead with nukes should be considered a huge problem) then again there are no resources in N.Korea that needs to be secured.....Election next year, you gonna vote Bush?????

Has nothing to do with anger or killing, just getting sick of the whining about how bad the government is, and that we should not be in Iraq. Have you been to Iraq? Have you ever been to the Middle East? Where do you get your facts about whether or not we should be in Iraq? CNN, FOX? Go spend time over there, then come home and have an opinion. Unless you have true hard facts about what really happened in Iraq or whether they have found chemical weapons or not, your biased, media based opinion pretty much holds no credibility. If you do have true, hard facts, please share them........ Still getting old man.....

He already did. Why didn't Reagan do anything about that?

What do you mean he already did, supposedly, according to all the EXPERTS here, he does not have weapons of mass destruction.......Maybe Reagan was more concerned about the Cold War....

We didn't. Bush did. Bush won the election with less than 50% of the popular vote. (Not touching the "controversy" - that's over and done with)

Apparently you've never heard about the stuff he pulled on Iran during their 10 year war? Go get a newspaper...they do have something other than comics and sports.

And yeah, Reagan was concerned about the cold war. But also what was going on in the middle east. After all, his underlings pulled the Contra trade shit. And don't say, "Reagan didn't know," That's no excuse. Truman said it best. "The buck stops here."

I would prefer *tiny* words. (Less letters, you know)

I will make a note of it.......

"Let;s get a little wager going, I put $20 on Iran is next."
That's a good bet. However, Iran only has one thing we need and do not need more of; oil. We own Iraq for now, remember?
As for North Korea, they dare not wave the nuclear card. China, and soon, Japan, will be the first to dim their flame.
North Korea has no exports, and therefore no bargaining power.
Good luck with your usual threats, Ping Pong. The world really doesn't care.

Figures someone living in Canada would post that........

Trust me we are just as affected by what your "leader of the free world" does as you are. I recall back when he was elected over 50% of Americans said the same...

Nothing like a fictional story to help the uneducated try to understand what's going on in this world. Oh wait, two can play that "game":

Talk about sad, but true.

Blah blah blah. You seem to imply that everyone who is on welfare is trying to cheat the system. There is a time and place for welfare.

Oh wait, you forgot a few parts in the story...

The wasp is killed by Raid. The baby wasps who survive make it through school alright, but can't afford college. The republicans say "tough shit little wasps, we're not going to help you. You're on your own. And if you find yourself a job at McDonald's, $5.25/hour is plenty to survive on."

The gnat has decided that he does not believe in God...any God. He does not feel right if his tax dollars are spent supporting some religious group. Mr. Bush says, "tough shit, I'm going to spend some of that tax money on "faith-based" groups."

The catepillar, a peaceful creature, wants to voice his opinion that he doesn't agree with sending off all the creatures of the grass into a conflict. "Shut up" says another group. "If you don't like it, why don't you move over to the swamp...I hear it's a place you'd love."

The mite is in his home with the love of his life. They are minding their own business, not harming anyone. Suddenly the door burst open. "We just want to make sure you aren't doing anything WEIRD, you little mite."

Sad...but true.

blah blah blah, another stupid political copy cat post, etc, etc, unoriginal, lame.

When are people going to get a clue?

People who are in the Armed Forces of the United States of America did so by their own willing hand. It is part of their job to go to war, to defend and protect the U.S. and their "interests"(what interests those are, is debatable).

Sure, every man and woman in the military who is currently in the shit wants to go home, and they should be home by now. I was fortunate enough to serve during peacetime. A lot of others haven't been. But that didn't mean when I was out to sea for three fucking months in a row that I didn't want to go home.

All of our people should be back now. Why aren't they? It's quite simple.

1. The civilian asshats in charge never gave the military what they wanted(similar to Vietnam). Had we put our full might into it, it would be over. Take no prisioners, no bullshit. But no, that's too against the grain for our PC government. What happened to the tough talk after 9/11? It takes the 82nd, 101st, and certain Marine units a matter of hours to get anywhere in the world. Yet somehow or another it took Bush & co. a month and a half to get their asses in gear with Afghanistan. Absolutely unacceptable. How long was war with Iraq mentioned about before it went down? 3-4 months? Pathetic.

2. Their rebuilding plan. Absolutely atrocious. Soliders are not builders. Go back to step one and had the military been given the ability to do their job to the fullest, the engineers, workers and whatnot wouldn't have to fear for the lives trying to put what we destroyed back together. As Infx said in the other thread, infantry folks aren't there for "security" or "rebuilding". They are there to kick ass and take names.

On that note, why are we even bothering to rebuild? War is destruction, war is hell. The absolute worst in humanity comes out in war. There are all these fucking rules that come about(the Geneva convention needs to be SERIOUSLY updated) in war. There are no rules. Sure, that kill and ask questions later attitude can be scary, but that's what war is. It sucks, but war sucks.

Am I Anti-American for thinking this? Absolutely not. I am a proud citizen of this country. My father served not once, but twice in Vietnam. He took a bullet for this country, he watched some of his best friends get decimated in front of him with his own very eyes for this country. I fully understand what patriotism is.

However, when our men and women are in the shit, and nothing is being done about it, that's unpatriotic. The nearly 300 men and women killed so far didn't die for their country. They died liberating Iraq. Anybody who doesn't think that is a fool. Sure, it's easy to come up with some bullshit reason to justify their death, but I'd like for anyone of you to say that in the face of any of the 300 families who have lost a loved one in this war.

So instead of getting in and getting out, today and for the foreseeable future our soliders stand around forced to have their thumbs up their asses cause policymakers can't get their heads out of theirs. Nearly 2 years after 9/11, and we still don't have the man who was ultimately responsible for it in custody or in a grave. I truly believe that we have the finest forces in the world. We search and we destroy better than anyone. But only when the leaders behind them let them do it.

Simply drive to the White House.

Same old argument. We knew from the get go that we would be liberating Iraq. No suprise there. Since you say you spent 3 months out at sea, i am assuming you have been on either a Med cruise or a Westpac? Either way, you probably have been to the Middle East, and you would most definately have been to Bahrain or Jebal Ali, right? If you passed Osama Bin Laden in any of those places, would you recognize him? Probably not, because he has billions of dollars, and can look like any other Arab person walking around. Yes, it has been 2 1/2 years, what do you expect? He could be dead and buried for all we know.