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#204472 - 10/10/03 12:53 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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looks like he did... i didn't hear it but the news just said that he is talking about cooperating witht he authorities...

they are more interested in where he got them, then nailing him

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#204473 - 10/10/03 12:55 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Rush\'s Press Release

My guess is he was getting the perscription from his doctor illegally. The doctor will be the one going to jail. Notice he's talked to his doctor about it, and has twice gone to get medical help about it.

So the doctor is going to take the fall for it. That's what I see happening.

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#204474 - 10/10/03 01:00 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Here is what he said....

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031010/laf041_1.html

He says he got hooked of prescription medication for back pain that was highly addictive.

I heard him saying this on the radio on my way home before. I believe this is some audio:

http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wma/premrad.download.akamai.com/2493/rushlimb/101003_rushstatement.asx

He's not allowed to talk about the maids story by his lawyer he just said it was inaccurate.

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#204475 - 10/10/03 01:00 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Did he admit to obtaining them illegally???? It is not illegal to be addicted to anything... it's illegal to be addicted to illegal substances...
You got it right with your first statement. It is not illegal to be "addicted" to anything.

So, it is not, as you assert, "illegal to be addicted to illegal substances".

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#204476 - 10/10/03 01:03 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Oops Meant that if he obtained illegal substances then yes he is in the wrong, not that he is in the wrong for being addicted to them. smile
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#204477 - 10/10/03 01:22 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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S - Roger, that! laugh

Check out the video of his statement from www.rushlimbaugh.com.

Interesting how reports from several sources do not note this: Rush stated that he still is in pain from surgery, now in the neck. Dude is at times a pain in the neck, but outlets should at least report the whole story!

What I did see reported, on just a few sites (and I do like his humility here): "I'm no role model...there are people you never hear about, facing long odds...who don't resort to escapes, they face it. Those are the real heroes. I'm not a victim...I take full responsibility"

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#204478 - 10/10/03 01:24 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
Just in on CNN at 3:32pm on 10/10/03. (Just in case you don't believe me, since Fox isn't running it)

Rush Limbaugh just admitted to being addicted to perscription pain medication.

So...should Rush be thrown in jail, like he's said should be done for other illegal drug users? No, Rush is going into REHAB.

Huh...someone gets busted for a small amount of pot and Rush screams for their head...RUSH gets busted, and he gets to go to REHAB.

Rush is a two faced SOB.
I guess fox is completely ignoring the story. :rolleyes:
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#204479 - 10/10/03 01:25 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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MB...I guess you're ignoring the rest of my post.
:rolleyes:

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#204480 - 10/10/03 01:35 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
MB...I guess you're ignoring the rest of my post.
:rolleyes:
Is the drug he is addicted to illegal? Last I looked it wasnt. And until it is proven he obtained it illegally, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
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#204481 - 10/10/03 01:40 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Besides the back problems, he was virtually deaf for a while. The guy has had a lot of medical problems.

But since he is a conservative all his enemies on the left will use this against him.

If he were some hollywood dirtbag or an athlete, the same people would be hailing him as a hero for confronting his problems. In hollywood it is almost a fad and chic to go to a rehab center.

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#204482 - 10/10/03 02:30 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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If he were some hollywood dirtbag or an athlete, the same people would be hailing him as a hero for confronting his problems. In hollywood it is almost a fad and chic to go to a rehab center.
Want to know something else about me?

I think Kobe Bryant did it, and should go to jail.

I think OJ killed those people, and got off scot free.

I think Alec Baldwin talks too much, but that Bruce Willis doesn't. (Bruce was quite effective on Fox the other day, talking about his trip to Iraq. Almost got me behind the war....almost.)

I think that drug treatment facilities should be in jails, not resorts.

So, would you say that I glamorize those people? No way! I don't believe they should be treated any different from anyone else. Even justice for all people across the board. If one person goes to jail for obtaining Oxycotin with illegal perscriptions, then RUSH should go to jail for the same exact thing.

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#204483 - 10/10/03 04:02 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Rush absolutely deserves the chance to dry out before serving any kind of time.

What I don't understand is someone like Robert Downey, Jr. I realize it is extremely difficult for some to kick the habit, but this fucker (talented actor though he may be) has been given so many chances, it's ridiculous.
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#204484 - 10/10/03 05:19 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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If one person goes to jail for obtaining Oxycotin with illegal perscriptions, then RUSH should go to jail for the same exact thing.

I agree to a point. Not very many people would go to jail for this to begin with unless there was a criminal history there.If that normal person never had a criminal record, he/she should be allowed to attend treatment and get some kind of probation. If, on the other hand, they had been busted previously for selling pot, or coke, or prescription drugs for that matter, then it can be shown they are a repeat offender and should pay a stiffer price, IE jail time. I think RUSH deserves treatment, he should also pay a stiff fine and be on probation. Which is about what a "normal" person would recieve as a first time offender.
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#204485 - 10/10/03 09:20 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
Rush absolutely deserves the chance to dry out before serving any kind of time.

What I don't understand is someone like Robert Downey, Jr. I realize it is extremely difficult for some to kick the habit, but this fucker (talented actor though he may be) has been given so many chances, it's ridiculous.
This is Rush's third time in Rehab.

How many chances has Downey Jr. had, I thought he only had four or five?
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#204486 - 10/10/03 10:06 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
[b]Rush absolutely deserves the chance to dry out before serving any kind of time.

What I don't understand is someone like Robert Downey, Jr. I realize it is extremely difficult for some to kick the habit, but this fucker (talented actor though he may be) has been given so many chances, it's ridiculous.
This is Rush's third time in Rehab.

How many chances has Downey Jr. had, I thought he only had four or five?[/b]
He appears to have finally started to get away from drugs, but he has been in and out of rehab for a good 15 years (1988 was his first rehab try).
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#204487 - 10/10/03 10:19 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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I'm somewhat skeptical of the other stories about Rush's previous rehab attempts.

He may have done it.. but they couldn't have been very good.

I could be wrong but I don't ever recall him ever taking 4 to 5 weeks off at a time before. Isn't that the minimum amount of time for at least a successful rehab?

If there were previous attempts.. they must have been bullshit attempts.

Also... There are more people in America addicted to prescription drugs than anything illegal. A lot of this blame has to start at a doctor somewhere.

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#204488 - 10/10/03 10:28 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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A lot of this blame has to start at a doctor somewhere.
This I agree with. A doctor should not be allowing someone to get that far. To me, it is a violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

Unethical and illegal. If the doctor is supplying him knowing the reasons, he should at the minimum be put on some sort of probation. Investigate whether his license should be yanked.
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#204489 - 10/10/03 10:43 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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This I agree with. A doctor should not be allowing someone to get that far. To me, it is a violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

Unethical and illegal. If the doctor is supplying him knowing the reasons, he should at the minimum be put on some sort of probation. Investigate whether his license should be yanked.
Look at our society today. How many times do you see pharmaceutical companies advertising prescription drugs directly to the public on TV ( this happens too much) ... and in print ads? Something is wrong here. People see these commercials and demand the drugs from their doctors and the doctors comply. Maybe there is collusion. I don't know. That is a serious indictment but it might not be far from the truth.

Doctors are not what they used to be. There are no "Marcus Welby's" anymore.

My parents are getting older and due to their age, things naturally have started to go wrong. I have dealt with my share of doctors over the last few years. I have to say with most of them... the trust factor is low.... and that is a shame.

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#204490 - 11/10/03 06:18 AM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Originally posted by Mobycat:

A doctor should not be allowing someone to get that far. To me, it is a violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

Unethical and illegal. If the doctor is supplying him knowing the reasons, he should at the minimum be put on some sort of probation. Investigate whether his license should be yanked.
If you were Rush's doctor, and he continually complained about being in pain, would YOU deny the famous Rush Limbaugh pain medication? How do you know the doctor didn't precribed the normal amount of refills, and Rush got his "Extra" medication illegally? You can't blame the doctor for that.
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#204491 - 11/10/03 06:26 AM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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[b]A doctor should not be allowing someone to get that far. To me, it is a violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

Unethical and illegal. If the doctor is supplying him knowing the reasons, he should at the minimum be put on some sort of probation. Investigate whether his license should be yanked.
If you were Rush's doctor, and he continually complained about being in pain, would YOU deny the famous Rush Limbaugh pain medication? How do you know the doctor didn't precribed the normal amount of refills, and Rush got his "Extra" medication illegally? You can't blame the doctor for that.[/b]
Well, that's why I said "knowing the reasons." Also, it appears to me that Rush may not have had a prescription for the pills He may have, but at this point, who knows. And if he did have a prescription, there wouldn't be any investigation...it would have been perfectly OK.

My dad is a physician (retired) and would NEVER have allowed it. Here's an example of how squeaky clean he was: my brother has HORRIBLE allergies. He was taking benadryl shots for it. My dad could have brought home the stuff making it easier for my brother. We even asked him one time why he doesn't. His reply? Because it was wrong. He absolutely refused (and still does) to break the law or do anything even remotely unethical. He wouldn't advertise on TV because, "doctors just don't do that." He wouldn't give a rat's ass how famous or rich his patient was.
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#204492 - 11/10/03 07:06 AM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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As a former drugaddict, I just hope he gets better. I seldom agree with the man, but I know what he is going through. I did gain some respect from him for what he said though.
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#204493 - 11/10/03 09:12 AM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Don't forget that sometimes doctors will prescribe medications because they know the medical history of the patient. I think sometimes they justify it by calling it "maintenence" Some people have to use these drugs daily in order to live somewhat a normal life. The downside to this being the unwanted side affect of addiction. Not to mention the long term effects from taking that kind of drug. I fault no one who needs the drug to control pain.

He should live by example now. Go get treatment and if he's broken any laws he should have to face the consequences just like the rest of us would. That would probably be his opinion if it were someone else.
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#204494 - 12/10/03 06:18 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Even if doctors are somewhat at fault for giving out too many pills I still think that modern society is a little too quick to pop pills for instant relief.

I'm sick of drug ads that tell you to see if poly-pro-axin is right for you without telling you what it's meant to combat. We just figure that if we don't feel great about going to work everyday then we need to be on medication to make us "normal".

Here in Utah we've got some of the highest use of Prozac in the nation. People think that if your sick of work and life's hard that you must be depressed. In reality life's just hard, you stick it out and deal with what happens.

Doctors need to quit prescribing more pills than needed and we need to quit asking for pills we don't need.
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#204495 - 12/10/03 10:02 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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As a pharmacist, I can totally agree with most of these last couple of posts. One of the little talked about national crises is antibiotic resistance. Streptococcus is one of the few bacteria still susceptible to penicillin. Bronchitis, sinusitis, pneumonia?? dont even try it!! The biggest reason for this is the complete and total overuse and misuse of antibiotics. People go to the doctor/ER with a 2 degree fever for a day and a half and wont leave without a script for micoxisphalin (also the "technical" name for Viagra) is crap. Fever is the body's natural way of fighting infection. Viruses (ie cold,flu,enteritis) cause just as many infections and ALL THE ANTIBIOTICS IN THE WORLD WONT DO SHIT AGAINST THEM.



There are a lot of scam artists, abusers, junkies and just flat out liars that go into a prescriber's office saying "oohhh myy backkk hurts" and gets a script for Vicodin. But what is really sad are the people that do have legitimate medically justifiable need for these heavy painkillers like Oxycontin that cant get them because many pharmacies wont carry them for fear of beoming a target for the abusers or worse armed robbers.
What happens when someone is on these medications for a long period of time what happens when the patient requires higher and higher doses of the medication is called tolerance, not addiction. When someone goes through withdrawal after voluntarily or involuntarily stopping the drug, this is physical dependence. Neither of these are addiction in the clinical sense. Addiction is actually a psychiatric diagnosis involving that MAY involve tolerance and dependence but the biggest difference is the seeking behavior. Doing whatever one must to get that next fix. Lie cheat steal, ignore family, friends,work, hiding your use/abuse. Sound familiar??? Anyone try to quit smoking out there?? That is an addiction with a physical dependence component.

Personally, I think Rush is a loud mouth opinionated close minded pig but I do listen to him on occasion because he irritates the hell out me most of the time and I hope he gets through this personal nightmare mentally and physically intact. Life would get too boring without that fat SOB!

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#204496 - 13/10/03 12:25 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh.
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Thanks Vt! You're right. I called it addiction when in fact it is tolerance.

As a chronic migraine sufferer, I've tried everything in the book and then some to relieve my headaches. I know in fact that methaqualone was the cure for migraine headaches. Because of it's overabuse in the 70's and 80's, I can't get the one drug that I know is a slam-dunk for my problem.
Now, I take midrin, frova, imitrex, zomig and a partrige in a pear tree.(whatever works at the time) Lately, I've had better luck with migraine strength Excedrin. My Dr. tells me I can't take it for more than 48 hours without relief though. He says that possible damage to the gastro-intestinal system is worse than taking these drugs. Now they are saying imitrex is a possible health risk.

If I don't take these meds, I live with a constant headache. So that's why I can't fault a person when they need medication.
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