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#205086 - 07/05/03 08:47 AM What do y'all think of this?
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Please dance at the back of the bus.

I guess some places are still trapped in the 50's
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#205087 - 07/05/03 08:53 AM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Now THIS is a thread about race... I hope those at the integrated prom take the high road. It seems there's a potential for violence here that's pretty scary.

Even scarier though is that a "small number of juniors" can influence so many into taking such a ridiculous and ignorant stand. Cherry Kool-aid anyone?
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#205088 - 07/05/03 08:55 AM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Personally I think it is fucking ridiculous. I feel sorry for someone the ignorant and intolerant. Sad that minds are still closed.

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#205089 - 07/05/03 08:58 AM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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What bothers me is that the local administration and/or government didnt come out against this. I realize it is not "technically" against the law, but it seems to me that this is morally wrong.

More here

And here
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#205090 - 07/05/03 10:10 AM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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If the white students raised their own $ to have a prom, they can have it. Is it wrong? No more so than a private male club (Augusta National) not allowing women.

If the $ for the prom was from tax payers (it isn't) then prom should be integrated.
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#205091 - 07/05/03 11:06 AM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by BurgPath:
If the white students raised their own $ to have a prom, they can have it. Is it wrong? No more so than a private male club (Augusta National) not allowing women.

If the $ for the prom was from tax payers (it isn't) then prom should be integrated.
Thats all fine and good, but everybody knows Augusta is a male only club. The women who play there but are not allowed to join know this. Plus Augusta would not be able to exist as a "whites only" club. So the point is irrelevant. There are plenty of male only and female only organizations in this world that everyone deems acceptable. That you see this "whites only" prom as acceptable reeks of bigotry on your own part. There is no other reason for it other than it being racially motivated.

Last I checked this High School was almost 50/50 black/white. I know they raised thier own money to pay for it, I know there is no law against it, techically it is a private party. But isnt it about time we put this issue to bed once and for all. The issue is not that it is "private", they should be looking at the issue of why these bigots felt they needed a "white only" prom to begin with? Why in this day and age, the school administrators, who should be setting an example, have not spoken out against this is beyond me. Unless they wish to perpetrate the racist feelings that this subject stirs. What about the parents and other role-models who could use this as a chance to mend fences and age-old differences. Instead they dropped the ball and proved to everyone that in certain places, racism is accepted AND encouraged. [Finger]
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#205092 - 07/05/03 11:27 AM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Ok I am not saying this is right but why is it ok to have a Black Policeman Union or Black only beauty pageants etc... I think you can all think of a few more race oriented organizations that are socially accepted.
I have never heard of a white only organization this is socially accepted. No don't even start the KKK shit. I wouldn't qualify with them no matter what I changed being I am from Australia and Catholic. I think they would tar and feather me also. Besides the hood would look stupid on me.
Any thoughts?
Sense when is it ok to segregate any race?
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#205093 - 07/05/03 11:31 AM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Quote:
Originally posted by mbflyerfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by BurgPath:
[b]If the white students raised their own $ to have a prom, they can have it. Is it wrong? No more so than a private male club (Augusta National) not allowing women.

If the $ for the prom was from tax payers (it isn't) then prom should be integrated.
Thats all fine and good, but everybody knows Augusta is a male only club. The women who play there but are not allowed to join know this. Plus Augusta would not be able to exist as a "whites only" club. So the point is irrelevant. There are plenty of male only and female only organizations in this world that everyone deems acceptable. That you see this "whites only" prom as acceptable reeks of bigotry on your own part. There is no other reason for it other than it being racially motivated.

Last I checked this High School was almost 50/50 black/white. I know they raised thier own money to pay for it, I know there is no law against it, techically it is a private party. But isnt it about time we put this issue to bed once and for all. The issue is not that it is "private", they should be looking at the issue of why these bigots felt they needed a "white only" prom to begin with? Why in this day and age, the school administrators, who should be setting an example, have not spoken out against this is beyond me. Unless they wish to perpetrate the racist feelings that this subject stirs. What about the parents and other role-models who could use this as a chance to mend fences and age-old differences. Instead they dropped the ball and proved to everyone that in certain places, racism is accepted AND encouraged. [Finger] [/b]
I gotta to agree with you on this one man. This whole thing is ridiculous. I think it is pretty damn sad. Georgia is not looking to good to the rest of the country lately. Between this and their flag issue the state looks like a bunch of bigots.
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#205094 - 07/05/03 12:04 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by BurgPath:
If the white students raised their own $ to have a prom, they can have it. Is it wrong? No more so than a private male club (Augusta National) not allowing women.

If the $ for the prom was from tax payers (it isn't) then prom should be integrated.
Whats sad is that in the year 2003 people like you and these simpletons (for lack of better words) have yet to step beyond the color of someone else's skin. 50% of the school's population is black, they share the same classes, sports teams, cafeteria, and bathrooms but they can't dance together? Its ridiculous to me that these people feel the need to make this kind of statement to validate their collective 'us versus them' mentality.

I pity these people for not growing up and looking beyond the fences of their plantations.
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#205095 - 07/05/03 12:22 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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If the prom was paid for by the school with taxpayers money it would have been wrong. It wasn't. The students paid for it themselves.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about it, people have a right to associate with whomever they choose on their own time and with their own money.

How come no one complains about the numerous "black only" events and organizations?

Even in the US House of Representatives they have a Congressional Black Caucus. No white congressman allowed at their meetings. Where is the outrage over that?

Where is Jesse Jackson on this issue? You don't hear him making a big deal out of it. Why? Because there is no large corporation or deep pocket to "shakedown".

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#205096 - 07/05/03 12:23 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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NOW...I agree with you all. The administration and even more, the city officials should have stepped in years ago and put an end to this. For fear of swaying the public opinion (and upsetting their friends), elected officials did not and will not step in. The same (type) idiots sitting in office in Albany are the same (type) idiots siting in the governer's office. The flag issue (ressurected) should have never been an issue to begin with. The same with this issue. Who cares who raised the money? The fact is, it is still affiliated with the school and the school shouldn't want to be associated with it in no way, shape, or form. If they want to have a private dance, be my guest. But they should be mandated to doing it on a different night than "The School's Prom" and the school's name should not be mentioned 1 time that night. But i'm pretty damn positive that the same jerks that support this flag issue, support seperatism.
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#205097 - 07/05/03 12:28 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by NYMadman:

If the prom was paid for by the school with taxpayers money it would have been wrong. It wasn't. The students paid for it themselves.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about it, people have a right to associate with whomever they choose on their own time and with their own money.

How come no one complains about the numerous "black only" events and organizations?

Even in the US House of Representatives they have a Congressional Black Caucus. No white congressman allowed at their meetings. Where is the
outrage over that?

Where is Jesse Jackson on this issue? You don't hear him making a big deal out of it. Why? Because there is no large corporation or deep pocket to
"shakedown".
Point taken...I agree that you can be affiliated with whom you please. That is our constitutional right. However, I don't think it should be called "Taylor County High School Senior Prom". Who knows, they never said that it would, but they never said that it would not be called that. If that's your desire, then do it on your own time and in the name of your own organization.
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#205098 - 07/05/03 12:40 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
If the prom was paid for by the school with taxpayers money it would have been wrong. It wasn't. The students paid for it themselves.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about it, people have a right to associate with whomever they choose on their own time and with their own money.

How come no one complains about the numerous "black only" events and organizations?

Even in the US House of Representatives they have a Congressional Black Caucus. No white congressman allowed at their meetings. Where is the outrage over that?

Where is Jesse Jackson on this issue? You don't hear him making a big deal out of it. Why? Because there is no large corporation or deep pocket to "shakedown".
Great point Madman. I think this works both ways. I would disagree if the blacks had said they want a black only prom as well. This does point out the double standard that exists in this country though. If you are a minority it is OK to gather based on your skin color and ethnicity, and to exclude others based on it. If you are white and do this you are a bigot. What would happen if some congressman tried to form a Congressional White Caucus?
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#205099 - 07/05/03 12:55 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Even in the US House of Representatives they have a Congressional Black Caucus. No white congressman allowed at their meetings. ".
Is this accurate, or mere conjecture on your part?

From the CBC website:

"The goals of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) are to positively influence the course of events pertinent to African-Americans and others of similar experience and situation, and to achieve greater equity for persons of African descent in the design and content of domestic and international programs and services. The Caucus has not only been at the forefont of issues affecting African-Americans, but has garnered international acclaim for advancing agendas aimed at protecting human rights and civil rights for all people. Today, the Congressional Black Caucus stands 38 members strong."

I don't think they intend to exclude anyone.
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#205100 - 07/05/03 01:06 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
What would happen if some congressman tried to form a Congressional White Caucus?
They already have, its called The Republican Party ! :p
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#205101 - 07/05/03 01:06 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Humm maybe if you where white and South African you could attend other than that I doubt it.
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#205102 - 07/05/03 01:06 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Quote:
Originally posted by number41:
Quote:
Originally posted by BurgPath:
[b]If the white students raised their own $ to have a prom, they can have it. Is it wrong? No more so than a private male club (Augusta National) not allowing women.

If the $ for the prom was from tax payers (it isn't) then prom should be integrated.
Whats sad is that in the year 2003 people like you and these simpletons (for lack of better words) have yet to step beyond the color of someone else's skin. 50% of the school's population is black, they share the same classes, sports teams, cafeteria, and bathrooms but they can't dance together? Its ridiculous to me that these people feel the need to make this kind of statement to validate their collective 'us versus them' mentality.

I pity these people for not growing up and looking beyond the fences of their plantations.[/b]
Never said I was racist, don't imply that I am. I am for 'fairplay'. If there are member only clubs, black only groups, hispanic only associations etc., etc., why is it wrong to have a white only function?

Does Augusta have a right to males only? Yes. Can N.O.W. be females only? Yes. Can the Boy Scouts exclude gays? Yes. Can fraternities exclude women? Yes. Can sororities exclude men? Yes. Are there female only health clubs? Yes. The list goes on and on. I have no problem with them doing this, period.

I do agree that it should be a dance, not a prom affiliated with the schools name. If that is the case, OK. Have fun kids.

We have raised a bunch of pansies who have to have everything their way. Heaven forbid that there be diversity in America. We are all different people, different likes, dislikes and choices in ice cream flavor. We don't all have to think alike, feel a like, act a like.

Tolerance and understanding? Yes. Capitulation to a central thought process where the individual is lost? Oh hell no.
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#205103 - 07/05/03 01:07 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by Bucweet X:
Quote:
Originally posted by 2001frontier:
What would happen if some congressman tried to form a Congressional White Caucus?
They already have, its called The Republican Party ! :p
Ridiculous.
Don't be the token idiot on this thread.
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#205104 - 07/05/03 01:09 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by daventx:
Don't be the token idiot on this thread.
Dislike the competition?

laugh
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#205105 - 07/05/03 01:11 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by daventx:
Ridiculous.
Don't be the token idiot on this thread.
Too late! laugh
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#205106 - 07/05/03 01:18 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by Bucweet X:

Is this accurate, or mere conjecture on your part?
I shit you not.

You cannot be a member of the CBC if you are a white Congressman.

Their web site can say anything they want. Do you think they would put anything on the site that would paint them in a bad light?

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#205107 - 07/05/03 01:24 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bucweet X:

Is this accurate, or mere conjecture on your part?
I shit you not.

You cannot be a member of the CBC if you are a white Congressman.

Their web site can say anything they want. Do you think they would put anything on the site that would paint them in a bad light?
Being a member of the CBC and attending the meetings are two different things...
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#205108 - 07/05/03 01:39 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by Bucweet X:

Being a member of the CBC and attending the meetings are two different things...
Of course they have closed door meetings. All congressional caucuses do. If they are holding a hearing that is different. Then non caucus members would be in attendance.

Does the CBC shock you or something? They have been around for a long time.

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#205109 - 07/05/03 01:50 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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You all make good points, on both sides of the issue. What I see though, Is that things like The "Miss Black America Pageant" dont make me feel like I am being discriminated against. Do you really think Augusta is prejudiced against women? Or do they just want a mens club.

You can place doubt on whether or not you think these kids' purpose is to be discriminatory. This prom, is racist. There is no other way it can be construed for those who are living in reality. There are no other reasons you can give for it. The CBC, BET, all these things are looked at as positive outlets for black society. Do any white people here REALLY feel discriminated against because of BET, CBC, Miss Black America. Yes I know there is no Miss White America, or a CWC, or an NAAWP.(regardless of what some would say).

Its just the wrong thing to be teaching these children, our future, about how we should treat those different then ourselves. You all can agree on that cant you? Please tell me you can at least agree on that?
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#205110 - 07/05/03 01:53 PM Re: What do y'all think of this?
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bucweet X:

Being a member of the CBC and attending the meetings are two different things...
Of course they have closed door meetings. All congressional caucuses do. If they are holding a hearing that is different. Then non caucus members would be in attendance.

Does the CBC shock you or something? They have been around for a long time.
Naw, I'm familiar with the group

I just don't believe your statement, "No white congressman allowed at their meetings"

As a subset of a larger organization, it just doesn't make sense to me that they would be exclusionary when it would be absolutely necessary for them to interact with all members of Congress in order to achieve some of their stated goals.
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