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#207601 - 18/09/03 06:57 AM California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97610,00.html

WTF is going on in this country????
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#207602 - 18/09/03 07:12 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, who thinks this is a good idea needs to be taken out and shot for the good of the country. What is it about liberals who advocate BREAKING THE LAW. These people, by thier very presence in our country, are breaking the law. Why do politicians insist on letting it pass. Isnt it ironic that those who we elect as "law makers" insist on allowing these immigration laws to be broken. It is such hypocracy. I am getting sick to my stomach thinking about how liberal judges and politicians are just circumventing our legal and political system by pandering to people for votes.

"I helped you get into our country legal or not, so now will you vote for me when it is legal for you to do so? I tell you what, you are an illegal alien, so next I will make it legal for you to sponge off the government, get a drivers license, which, he he he, is a priviledge for the rest of the CITIZENS of this country. In exchange, I will look the other way as long as you vote for me when the time comes. Is it a deal? Whats that? You cant vote? Dont worry, thats the next thing I will do for you."

Xterrapin, even you cant think this is a good idea can you?

Fuck Gray Davis, fuck all liberal, pansey, law-breaker, do anything for a vote, pieces of shit all over this country. You are ruining it for everyone and you dont even realize it. Fuck You. [Finger]
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#207603 - 18/09/03 07:21 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Try living here. It get s worse every single day.

Davis pandering to the illegals, Cruz pandering to the Indians, has beens wanting to run the show, and let's not forget about all the no shows in the state legislature.

Highest gas, highest car tax, massive unemployment.

And, oh yeah, being told the recall is on hold because the voting method used to PUT the current assholes in office is not any good so it can't be used for a re-vote! Interesting, worked when it was in favor of the current football f----kers, but is no good now.

Bahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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#207604 - 18/09/03 07:22 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Maybe it's a set-up for when they arrive to get their license they will be taken by INS and shipped home?

Yeh right!

You would not believe the BS we went through with INS to get my wife from Britain legal and that was with a very INS expeienced laywer. The Mexicans just breaze through in no time...It took us about 3 yrs...mexicans spend about 3-6 months to become a legal alien. Also we had to go to a meeting with a mexican INS rep and answer all of her questions as she was verifying our marriage was not a business deal that is so commonly done.

F'n Government....Basically not looking out for it's citizens but everyone in / from another country...!!!

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#207605 - 18/09/03 07:38 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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[Finger] Cali. I grew there but fuck em
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#207606 - 18/09/03 07:51 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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There are very VERY few things an illegal should be entitled to when in the states...

Example - they get shot, they should be taken to a free public hospital and patched up. But then immediately taken to the boarder and shoved across. (Yes, I realize they are getting the care at our expense, but I don't think anyone should be just left there to die.)

Otherwise, they should not be entitled to any rights or priviledges enjoyed by people here legally.

No right to education
no right to work
no right to housing
no right to drive
no right to elective surgery (unless they pay for it ENTIRELY by themselves - and then, as above, immediately shipped out).

Tell them to go back home, go through the proper channels if they really want to be here.
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#207607 - 18/09/03 07:54 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Nice!!! confused :rolleyes:
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#207608 - 18/09/03 08:02 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Didn't Davis veto a similiar bill last year? He is really pandering for that Hispanic vote isnt he? What kind of man is willing to sacrifice public safety for votes?

The libs say that this will increase public safety because it will mean they have to pass a drivers test, and they will also be allowed to get insurance. Do they not get the fact that they should not be here to begin with? Do they not get the fact that many times a drivers license is all you need to get other documents? Documents that may convince someone that you are not illegal? Stuff that you and I would be hammered for by the law. Davis has basically given the rest of the country the finger. Check this out.
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#207609 - 18/09/03 08:43 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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The liceneses are the beginning of the iceburg. This basically gives them the right to vote as well. All they have to do is sign a form that says they are legal to vote flash their shiny CA driver's license, and voila.

This sure makes it easy for terrorists to get on planes as well. Get your CA DL, hop a plane, and crash it.

I don't know if any of you CA residents have noticed, but now they are creating legislation to waive college fees for illegals, while at the same time raising the price for citizens. A woman at the college said "Lost fees will not cost the other students anything because the state will pay them." If I ever catch this woman on the street I am going to beat the piss out of her for shear stupidity.
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#207610 - 18/09/03 08:45 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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I hate this state!!!!!!!!!!
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#207611 - 18/09/03 09:12 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Where is a big earthquake when you need one? One that will sink the whole state..

That is INSANE!!
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#207612 - 18/09/03 09:35 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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It wouldn't even sink the state, it would just turn it to rubble then everyone would be whining about how they lost their homes and they didn't "know" they live on a fault line and somehow it's the governments fault! It's just like all the people that live along the Mississippi river and have no flood insurance and they keep rebuilding in the same place! Dumb asses!

Sorry, tangent! Back to the subject Cali is screwed up! laugh
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#207613 - 18/09/03 10:13 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Originally posted by EAP:
It wouldn't even sink the state, it would just turn it to rubble then everyone would be whining about how they lost their homes and they didn't "know" they live on a fault line and somehow it's the governments fault! It's just like all the people that live along the Mississippi river and have no flood insurance and they keep rebuilding in the same place! Dumb asses!

Sorry, tangent! Back to the subject Cali is screwed up! laugh
On that same tangent...

I love how people move in near an airport and then complain about the noise. Idiots.

Dulles is a prime example. That airport has been there for 40 years, and now housing is being developed all around it. And people bitch. What a bunch of fucks. Are they so stupid they didn't know they were right next to an airport? An airport that was there long before their houses were?
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#207614 - 18/09/03 10:21 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Originally posted by MBFlyerfan:
Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, who thinks this is a good idea needs to be taken out and shot for the good of the country. What is it about liberals who advocate BREAKING THE LAW. These people, by thier very presence in our country, are breaking the law. Why do politicians insist on letting it pass. Isnt it ironic that those who we elect as "law makers" insist on allowing these immigration laws to be broken. It is such hypocracy. I am getting sick to my stomach thinking about how liberal judges and politicians are just circumventing our legal and political system by pandering to people for votes.

"I helped you get into our country legal or not, so now will you vote for me when it is legal for you to do so? I tell you what, you are an illegal alien, so next I will make it legal for you to sponge off the government, get a drivers license, which, he he he, is a priviledge for the rest of the CITIZENS of this country. In exchange, I will look the other way as long as you vote for me when the time comes. Is it a deal? Whats that? You cant vote? Dont worry, thats the next thing I will do for you."

Xterrapin, even you cant think this is a good idea can you?

Fuck Gray Davis, fuck all liberal, pansey, law-breaker, do anything for a vote, pieces of shit all over this country. You are ruining it for everyone and you dont even realize it. Fuck You. [Finger]
WaHoooo....AMEN brother. You know they are doing this just so the liberals can swindel some more votes like they did down in Florida with the prisoners.

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#207615 - 18/09/03 10:21 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Bitching has taken over as our national sport. No one wants to be responsible for themselves. Its part of the bigger "entitlement" mentality that is destroying the citizenry like a cancer.
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#207616 - 18/09/03 10:22 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
There are very VERY few things an illegal should be entitled to when in the states...

Example - they get shot, they should be taken to a free public hospital and patched up. But then immediately taken to the boarder and shoved across. (Yes, I realize they are getting the care at our expense, but I don't think anyone should be just left there to die.)

Otherwise, they should not be entitled to any rights or priviledges enjoyed by people here legally.

No right to education
no right to work
no right to housing
no right to drive
no right to elective surgery (unless they pay for it ENTIRELY by themselves - and then, as above, immediately shipped out).

Tell them to go back home, go through the proper channels if they really want to be here.
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#207617 - 18/09/03 10:57 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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It takes more than just the taxpayer ID by the way. I believe it also requires a utility bill or some other proof of address.

Are the people that they are giving licenses to allready driving? Yes , it's just now they are driving illegally. This almost might work if the California DMV required PROOF of insurance before they issue a driver's license. That way at least it makes all drivers responsible.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Unchecked immigration in this state is one of the primary reasons for it's slow demise. The license issue is just the tip of the iceberg. The Davis camp pandering to the latino vote is rediculous. There are too many latino politicians that do not draw a distinction between legally residenct Mexicans and illegals.

This causes the backlash and crys of "racism" when laws such as Prop. 187 are proposed. The supporters of such legislation are targeted as anti-Mexican and anti-immigrant rights and are branded racists and that is used against them by Hispanic politicians.

If this is a step towards another round of amnesty and naturalization , so be it. Let's make taxpaing , contributing citizens out of people who are already benefiting from the system in a far greater degree than they are contributing.

One oversight you guys are making with your sweeping generalizations of California and their handling of the immigration situation.

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A FEDERAL PROBLEM!

States like Texas , Arizona and especially California are continuously saddled with the social and economic burdens of having to combat this problem singlehandedly. Why is it that the INS is represented in as little numbers as they are here? Why is it now considered illegal and a violation of civil rights for an INS agent to approach a suspected illegal and ask for proof of citizenship?

Why are our schools forced to educate , care for and provide social services BY THE SUPREME COURT'S DESCISION TO OVERTURN THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WHO OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED FOR PROP.187 ON THE GROUNDS THAT IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL? Yet, we continue to be burdened by the very weight of a population of 4 million people that are taking from but ot paying into the system. The federal government does not recognize illegals for state budget allowances yet , they do nothing to curb the flow of illegals into the country.

The fact of the matter is that the federal government chooses to look the other way as illegals stream across our border and expect states such as California to pick up the tab for schools, hospital care , and other social services.

Illegal immigrants provide services that most Americans will not do. They are willing to pick the food , clean the hotels , dig the ditches and do the other back breaking work that keeps labor and food costs down while the rest of the country benefits from the low food prices and cheap goods. Who else is going to pick the food for less than minimum wage? Clean your hotels , and do all the other jobs that we deem unfit? Not any of you I guarentee it.

Why aren't other Americans willing to encourage the federal government to be more agressive in their persuit of limiting access to the country to legal immigration only? Why aren't there 10,000 more INS agents along the border instead of the few that are doing the work now?

I am willing to pay more for food and services in order to pay less for insurance , medical care and have better schooling in this state. How many of you are willing to do the same so that the quality of life for myself and myfamily will improve? Yet , you are half , and some of you ,the entire country away and stand in judgement of a state that has no bearing on your life or your family other than our problems are making your life a little easier and cheaper.

So , along with all the complaining about our little state and all the problems that you fail or just choose to ignore all aspects of , try coming up with a few solutions. It's not as easy as it looks.
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#207618 - 18/09/03 11:11 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Quote:
Originally posted by off2cjb:
Quote:
Originally posted by Mobycat:
[b]There are very VERY few things an illegal should be entitled to when in the states...

Example - they get shot, they should be taken to a free public hospital and patched up. But then immediately taken to the boarder and shoved across. (Yes, I realize they are getting the care at our expense, but I don't think anyone should be just left there to die.)

Otherwise, they should not be entitled to any rights or priviledges enjoyed by people here legally.

No right to education
no right to work
no right to housing
no right to drive
no right to elective surgery (unless they pay for it ENTIRELY by themselves - and then, as above, immediately shipped out).

Tell them to go back home, go through the proper channels if they really want to be here.
Holy Cow Batman...Look who might be swaggering towards the right.[/b]
Now now...I have said before there are *some* things I lean more toward the right on.
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#207619 - 18/09/03 11:37 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Why aren't other Americans willing to encourage the federal government to be more agressive in their persuit of limiting access to the country to legal immigration only? Why aren't there 10,000 more INS agents along the border instead of the few that are doing the work now?
Because everytime the subject is brought up, there are cries of racism across the land from the left. If it were up to me, the National Guard would patrol the border (both borders) 24/7. INS is overwhelmed and it seems to me that it is the left that always shoots down any legislation or attempt to make it more difficult to get into this country.

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Illegal immigrants provide services that most Americans will not do. They are willing to pick the food , clean the hotels , dig the ditches and do the other back breaking work that keeps labor and food costs down while the rest of the country benefits from the low food prices and cheap goods. Who else is going to pick the food for less than minimum wage? Clean your hotels , and do all the other jobs that we deem unfit? Not any of you I guarentee it.

I believe that the cost of paying for all these illegals offsets the "low food prices and cheap goods".

None of these jobs are "unfit" in my opinion. Any honest job is honorable in my opinion. To tell you the truth I wouldnt do the job, not because its "below" me, but because I have qualifications that allow me to find other jobs that pay better. But I can tell you if the fit hit the shan and it came down to me either starving or cleaning toilets in a hotel or picking blueberries, I would do it. Which is better than these lazy welfare scum who sponge off the government when they are perfectly able to work.
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I am willing to pay more for food and services in order to pay less for insurance , medical care and have better schooling in this state. How many of you are willing to do the same so that the quality of life for myself and myfamily will improve? Yet , you are half , and some of you ,the entire country away and stand in judgement of a state that has no bearing on your life or your family other than our problems are making your life a little easier and cheaper.

Your "little" state has the 7th largest economy in the world. So dont tell me it has no bearing on the rest of us. A California license can be used in any state in the country as ID for services. Its not about getting stuff cheaper, its about the law and our Government encouraging it to be broken. I would gladly pay more for everything if it meant we would live safer without the threat of being overrun by illegals or blown up by terrorists.

This whole thing is a blatant grab at minority votes, nothing more.
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#207620 - 18/09/03 11:41 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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The solution is simple. Secure the borders, and give the people already here amnesty. I have no problem with that at all. The Feds need to secure the boarders first though. I live in Texas, and the problems are just as bad here if not worse. I would not have a problem with stringing an electrified fence all the way across the boarder. We should militarize the borders both North and South. That would be genuine homeland security.
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#207621 - 18/09/03 11:44 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Out of control liberalism is a MENTAL ILLNESS..!!!

Where the fuck is The Dept. of Homeland Security on this?

I've said it a million times on this board... We are being betrayed by our own government. The United States will be a third world country by the time most of your children are 40.

We are being sold down the river.

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#207622 - 18/09/03 11:56 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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I agree Madman. The problem is no politicians will stand up to the Hispanics and do the right thing. They are afraid they won't be able to get reelected if they do.
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#207623 - 18/09/03 11:58 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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I also believe that a drivers license should not be used as the primary identification in this country. It should be the same as a social security card. My social security card says right there on it "not to be used for identification purposes." Yet when I look for a job , apply for a loan , buy a house , and fill out medical insurance papers , I either have to present it or use the number to identify myself.

Everyone wants the benefits of having illegal immigration but no one is willing to pay the associated costs. The Feds aren't doing anything to curb it or to assist the affected states with the financial resources to provide LEGALLY REQUIRED services to illegals.

We are an island here.

Unfortunately the Supreme Court has mandated that the Bill Of Rights and the Consititution aplies to all INHABITANTS of the country as opposed to the citizenry.
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#207624 - 18/09/03 12:02 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Out of control liberalism is a MENTAL ILLNESS..!!!

Where the fuck is The Dept. of Homeland Security on this?

Now that you mention it , isn't that an example of the liberal more government is better concept? Hmmmm. Isn't "homeland security" at the federal level the responsibility of the Coast Guard , the FBI , The INS and the U.S Customs service? Why do we need another beaurocrat instead of increasing the power and spectrum of responsibility of our existing departments and services?
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#207625 - 18/09/03 12:04 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Originally posted by MBFlyerfan:
Bitching has taken over as our national sport. No one wants to be responsible for themselves. Its part of the bigger "entitlement" mentality that is destroying the citizenry like a cancer.
Pot to Kettle: Your're black.


By the way, I agree. What they are doing in California is a joke. There was a similar proposal here in MN last year, luckily it appears that our legislators are a little wiser than California's.
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#207626 - 18/09/03 12:33 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
[b]Out of control liberalism is a MENTAL ILLNESS..!!!

Where the fuck is The Dept. of Homeland Security on this?

Now that you mention it , isn't that an example of the liberal more government is better concept? Hmmmm. Isn't "homeland security" at the federal level the responsibility of the Coast Guard , the FBI , The INS and the U.S Customs service? Why do we need another beaurocrat instead of increasing the power and spectrum of responsibility of our existing departments and services?[/b]
Where did you get the idea that I was in any way in favor of forming the Dept. of Homeland Security?

It is nothing but a fucking joke to make the sheeple think the government is actually doing something. We need to seriously scale back the federal bureaucracy. I have always criticized Bush for creating this farce. If you recall he did not want to do it initially. He caved in to the liberals like he always does. Bush should also have gone on a massive firing spree after 9/11. He didn't.

This business of the federal government issuing taxpayer ID numbers to illegal aliens is a crime in itself. This is also a holdover from the treasonous Clinton administration that Bush is doing nothing to fix.

All illegals should be arrested and sent packing. They are criminals in violation of federal law. It would be nice if our elected officials recognized that fact.

All immigration should be stopped for at least a period of 20 years. We don't need anymore people in this country. The last 10 years have seen the biggest explosion of immigration in US history and in the past we always closed it down after a big burst of immigration. We need to do that now.

We need assimilation not immigration.

And if you haven't noticed... On almost all domestic issues, Bush is a fucking LIBERAL.

The Democrats are scum and the Republicans are fucking cowards.

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#207627 - 18/09/03 02:02 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Illegal immigrants provide services that most Americans will not do. They are willing to pick the food , clean the hotels , dig the ditches and do the other back breaking work that keeps labor and food costs down while the rest of the country benefits from the low food prices and cheap goods. Who else is going to pick the food for less than minimum wage? Clean your hotels , and do all the other jobs that we deem unfit? Not any of you I guarentee it.

I believe that the cost of paying for all these illegals offsets the "low food prices and cheap goods".

None of these jobs are "unfit" in my opinion. Any honest job is honorable in my opinion. To tell you the truth I wouldnt do the job, not because its "below" me, but because I have qualifications that allow me to find other jobs that pay better. But I can tell you if the fit hit the shan and it came down to me either starving or cleaning toilets in a hotel or picking blueberries, I would do it. Which is better than these lazy welfare scum who sponge off the government when they are perfectly able to work.
Not to mention - if they are working for less than minimum, shouldn't the business be taken to task for exacerbating the problem?
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#207628 - 18/09/03 02:07 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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holy shit...

i agree with NYmadman

the AZ Right wing environment must be gettin to me

davis is a crooked bastard.... his supporters get the election postponed, just long enough to let davis pass a bill that allows millions of people to get licenses and vote for him...

I can not believe anyone with half a brain thinks that is OK.

OK, back to my ignoring the ALR... I only popped in because I have been following this issue

I still think tool said it best...

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

Fuck L Ron Hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all those gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.

Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna watch it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.


I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.


I wanna see it all come down.
suck it down.
flush it down.

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#207629 - 18/09/03 03:00 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
Claus Offline
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IN THE LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEE AND THE HOME OF THE ILLEGALS WHO CAN DRIVEEEEEEE.

Canada just tightened up the indet laws. I am a permanent-non citizen resident and had to apply for a new electronic ident card, IF I do have this card by Dec 31 I will be denied re-entry, IF I am caught without having this card I will be booted.

I say institute fingerprinting for all residents, If you are not in the database you get das boot or dem Stiefel for you Germans out there
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#207630 - 18/09/03 03:02 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
socalpunx Offline
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Registered: 24/08/01
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Quote:
Originally posted by Todrick:
holy shit...

i ...... think Socalpunx is a lunatic...

WTF? You pop in with a giggle and a chuckle and make some random statement and just leave it with a Tool song? Silly little Jason.

Where did I say I supported Davis , opposed the recall , supported illegal immigrants or their being granted driver's licenses? My comments were pointed to the large scope of the immigration problem and it's effects on the state and the lack of involvement and assistance in combating the problem by the federal government.

What part of that do you disagree with ?
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#207631 - 18/09/03 03:07 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
Todrick Offline
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lol... i skimmed... i just reread it(before seeing your post.... and editied... my bad

none the less... im freaked out that i agree(and strongly) with madman

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#207632 - 18/09/03 03:11 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
socalpunx Offline
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I was beginning to wonder.
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#207633 - 18/09/03 04:41 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
Booya Offline
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Registered: 20/06/02
Posts: 239
Loc: Utah
Quote:
Originally posted by Todrick:
lol... i skimmed... i just reread it(before seeing your post.... and editied... my bad

none the less... im freaked out that i agree(and strongly) with madman
It's because to anyone, what Davis did is so obviously wrong. Then Clinton was dumb enough to go support him right after the fact.
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#207634 - 18/09/03 04:46 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
Todrick Offline
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yup... i did like clinton, until that.

honestly davis' re-election was the last straw for me...

now i can sit out here in AZ, with the rest of the Escapees

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#207635 - 18/09/03 05:19 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
NY Madman Offline
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Loc: Florida
Quote:
Originally posted by Todrick:

im freaked out that i agree(and strongly) with madman
You've been Madmanitized....

Now that you are out of that den of liberalism and insanity known as California you can openly embrace conservatism.

Every week (and sometimes daily) there is a new form of insanity being perpetrated in CA. Now there is a movement to give illegal aliens and their children free college education. No tuition for these criminals. They want to increase the tuition for the citizens. And you know what? I bet this gets through the CA legislature.

Extreme liberalism is not only a MENTAL ILLNESS, it is extremely dangerous to every citizen of this nation.

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#207636 - 18/09/03 05:58 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
flintstrike Offline
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Registered: 10/09/01
Posts: 169
Quote:
They want to increase the tuition for the citizens. And you know what? I bet this gets through the CA legislature.
This is the first I'm hearing this. If a bill of this sort were to make it through the legislature it would be another travesty.
Anyone have a link to a newstory describing this?

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#207637 - 18/09/03 06:27 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
socalpunx Offline
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Due to budget cuts the CSU and UC systems increased fees for all students as of the Sept. semester. The proposal currently being considered is one that will grant illegal aliens the same fee rates as citizens. Even though an out of state student is required to pay more than a California resident , they are considering charging illegals the same rates as California residents.
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#207638 - 18/09/03 07:10 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
NY Madman Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:

Due to budget cuts the CSU and UC systems increased fees for all students as of the Sept. semester. The proposal currently being considered is one that will grant illegal aliens the same fee rates as citizens. Even though an out of state student is required to pay more than a California resident , they are considering charging illegals the same rates as California residents.
Don't you pay attention to the insanity that takes place in your own state? Are you a part of it maybe? Definitely an apologist for it.

In October 2001 the treasonous leftist overlord "Red" Davis signed A.B. 540. This bill granted in-state tuition rates for illegals that met certain criteria. This bill however did not apply to all state colleges. The California Board of Regents then voted 17-5 to make this discounted tuition available at the University of California. Now all illegals pay the discounted tuition rate.

There is now a move to grant illegals free tuition. I can't remeber the bill number but I will look it up and post it later on.

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#207639 - 18/09/03 09:15 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
2001frontier Offline
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Registered: 20/12/01
Posts: 4932
Loc: Fort Worth, TX
Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:

Every week (and sometimes daily) there is a new form of insanity being perpetrated in CA. Now there is a movement to give illegal aliens and their children free college education. No tuition for these criminals. They want to increase the tuition for the citizens. And you know what? I bet this gets through the CA legislature.
I have seen this as well. It seems as though it has already passed or is expected to easily. More shameless pandering by the leftists. I do believe fees are being waved, so I am unsure if that means tuition or other associated fees. It does not matter at any rate. The point is criminals are being given special rights over tax paying citizens.
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#207640 - 19/09/03 07:16 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
MyGoldX Offline
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Registered: 23/04/01
Posts: 1317
Loc: Santa Rosa, Ca
I have lived in California my whole life, 42 years. I've had it. By end of next year I hope to be living in either Nevada or Arizona. It's just too fucked up here. The honest law abiding middle class are constantly getiing fucked by the politicians. I fear for my kids futures if we stay much longer

Giving a drivers license to illegal aliens is a fucking joke. What part of ILLEGAL do people not understand. Isn't a drivers license the primary form of ID required to purchase a gun?

Wonderful, simply wonderful.
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#207641 - 19/09/03 08:22 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
2001frontier Offline
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Yep, with it you can buy a gun AND vote. Nice, eh?
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#207642 - 19/09/03 10:11 AM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Registered: 11/01/02
Posts: 268
Loc: Houston TX
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#207643 - 19/09/03 01:59 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
2001frontier Offline
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Registered: 20/12/01
Posts: 4932
Loc: Fort Worth, TX
Quote:
Originally posted by Bucweet X:
On a related note...
Treasury allows Mexican IDs for bank accounts
This is bullshit as well. They try to pass it off as though legal immigrants would need this kind of ID, so it should be legal to use. Wrong again.
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#207644 - 23/09/03 01:26 PM Re: California is Fucked - Davis needs to go.
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Registered: 14/11/02
Posts: 50
Loc: Somewhere
Quote:
Originally posted by bonesnTX:
Maybe it's a set-up for when they arrive to get their license they will be taken by INS and shipped home?

Yeh right!

You would not believe the BS we went through with INS to get my wife from Britain legal and that was with a very INS expeienced laywer. The Mexicans just breaze through in no time...It took us about 3 yrs...mexicans spend about 3-6 months to become a legal alien. Also we had to go to a meeting with a mexican INS rep and answer all of her questions as she was verifying our marriage was not a business deal that is so commonly done.

F'n Government....Basically not looking out for it's citizens but everyone in / from another country...!!!

[Crybaby] [Crybaby] [Freak]
Actually babe it was almost 5 years for my INS case, it should in the real world only be 3, but we have so many casess here INS were backlogged... :rolleyes:
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