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#215307 - 07/03/05 06:37 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Bush won a majority, he won the electoral college, and a little over 51% of the voters in this country want him in there.
Technically speaking, that's incorrect. He didn't win 51% of the voters in this country. He won 51% of the participating voters.

But that's neither here nor there.

(I would argue the people who didn't vote at all are the stupid ones)
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#215308 - 07/03/05 07:22 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mobycat:
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Originally posted by porsche996:
[b]Bush won a majority, he won the electoral college, and a little over 51% of the voters in this country want him in there.
Technically speaking, that's incorrect. He didn't win 51% of the voters in this country. He won 51% of the participating voters.

But that's neither here nor there.

(I would argue the people who didn't vote at all are the stupid ones)[/b]
Just for the sake of arguement... The voters ARE the ones that actually voted. Thanks a lot to the driver's voters registration bill, many years ago, there's a helluva' lot of people that are registered voters, but who have not only never voted, but do not have any intentions of doing so. Those aren't voters; those are potential voters. And every citizen over the age of 18 in this country is a potential voter. Doesn't make them a voter, though.

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#215309 - 07/03/05 08:38 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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I think he got you on that one Moby. You have to vote to be a voter. We would argue about the color of the sky if we got bored enough. laugh
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#215310 - 07/03/05 08:42 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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#215311 - 07/03/05 10:35 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Bullshit. When I looked up this morning, it was definitely all white. Slight orange tint on the horizon, though.
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#215312 - 07/03/05 10:36 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
I think he got you on that one Moby.
true...but what about those that voted but *didn't* vote for President?

(Yeah yeah...that's got to be miniscule...but still...you said we'd argue about anything. laugh )
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#215313 - 07/03/05 12:14 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]I think he got you on that one Moby.
true...but what about those that voted but *didn't* vote for President?

(Yeah yeah...that's got to be miniscule...but still...you said we'd argue about anything. laugh )[/b]
Then those weren't voters in the Presidential election...

If you can't follow procedure (aka, directions), then should your half-attempt at a vote count? May as well have stayed at home and gotten more sleep...

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#215314 - 07/03/05 02:02 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
That has to be the dumbest argument you have ever come up with. How exactly is putting my money into an account I control taking money out of my pocket?
It's NOT your own personal account. That's where you're being snowballed. It's PRIVITIZING Social Security, not giving you your own account. That's the way they're making it sound, but it's not the way it is. Study a little bit more and then get back to me.

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#215315 - 07/03/05 02:24 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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[b]That has to be the dumbest argument you have ever come up with. How exactly is putting my money into an account I control taking money out of my pocket?
It's NOT your own personal account. That's where you're being snowballed. It's PRIVITIZING Social Security, not giving you your own account. That's the way they're making it sound, but it's not the way it is. Study a little bit more and then get back to me.[/b]
That is total BS. Typical bullshit propoganda.
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#215316 - 07/03/05 02:28 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
That is total BS. Typical bullshit propoganda.
Then prove it wrong, bitch. Or are you just spouting off like normal?

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#215317 - 07/03/05 02:33 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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You made the claim, you prove it biatch!
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#215318 - 07/03/05 02:34 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
Technically speaking, that's incorrect. He didn't win 51% of the voters in this country. He won 51% of the participating voters.
I never did understand this parsing of "voter" - either you vote or you don't.

It is correct to say he won 51% of the voters and leave it at that. Period.

Now, this isn't directed at Mobycat but others in the thread:

If you didn't vote, then [Save the fine unicorns]

If you voted and it didn't go your way, get more people to vote your way next time and quit whining :rolleyes:
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#215319 - 07/03/05 02:39 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
[b]Technically speaking, that's incorrect. He didn't win 51% of the voters in this country. He won 51% of the participating voters.
I never did understand this parsing of "voter" - either you vote or you don't.

It is correct to say he won 51% of the voters and leave it at that. Period.

Now, this isn't directed at Mobycat but others in the thread:

If you didn't vote, then [Save the fine unicorns]

If you voted and it didn't go your way, get more people to vote your way next time and quit whining :rolleyes: [/b]
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#215320 - 07/03/05 02:53 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
You made the claim, you prove it biatch!
Try reading this you stupid motherfucker.

Here...I'll even quote for you, if clicking is too much of a chore:
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The road to prosperity, Wall Street has long maintained, is paved with investments in stocks. President Bush takes a similar position in urging private accounts as part of Social Security.

Who can argue?

Stocks have averaged an annual return of 6 percent above bond yields since the 1920s. No wonder roughly half the households in the United States have invested money in stocks, either directly or through a retirement account.

There's a catch, though. Stock markets don't hit the average each year. Performance runs in streaks: Many strong years can be followed by many lean ones. This repetitive pattern has mystified many market analysts. So young Americans, contemplating Mr. Bush's proposal to replace a portion of Social Security with an investment component, may have to factor in this market cycle, not just their age, when planning a retirement date.

Actually, all investors should perk up their ears if a 2003 paper by three economists is correct. Their forecast: Stocks for the next 15 years or so will be weak - returning maybe only a third of their historical average. The reason for this is even more surprising: demographics.

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#215321 - 07/03/05 06:08 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by DocNo:

Now, this isn't directed at Mobycat but others in the thread:

If you didn't vote, then [Save the fine unicorns]

If you voted and it didn't go your way, get more people to vote your way next time and quit whining :rolleyes:
Actually, I completely agree.
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#215322 - 08/03/05 05:42 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]You made the claim, you prove it biatch!
Try reading this you stupid motherfucker.

Here...I'll even quote for you, if clicking is too much of a chore:
Quote:
The road to prosperity, Wall Street has long maintained, is paved with investments in stocks. President Bush takes a similar position in urging private accounts as part of Social Security.

Who can argue?

Stocks have averaged an annual return of 6 percent above bond yields since the 1920s. No wonder roughly half the households in the United States have invested money in stocks, either directly or through a retirement account.

There's a catch, though. Stock markets don't hit the average each year. Performance runs in streaks: Many strong years can be followed by many lean ones. This repetitive pattern has mystified many market analysts. So young Americans, contemplating Mr. Bush's proposal to replace a portion of Social Security with an investment component, may have to factor in this market cycle, not just their age, when planning a retirement date.

Actually, all investors should perk up their ears if a 2003 paper by three economists is correct. Their forecast: Stocks for the next 15 years or so will be weak - returning maybe only a third of their historical average. The reason for this is even more surprising: demographics.
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Were does it say that we won't control the accounts dumbass? That was your claim. He is going to take your money and give it to wall street. Total bullshit. They are personal accounts, and yes the investments will be in private holdings. DUH! They would be an asset you could actually pass down to your children. As usual you are full of shit.

Edit: Holy Shit! The author found a paper by some guys that said the market is going to suck ass for 15 years! They couldn't be wrong! If the market takes a total shit, the rest of the the economy including government bonds will be screwed. Of course this fails to compensate for the real truth. There is no trust fund. Your money isn't sitting in some vault somewhere.
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#215323 - 08/03/05 06:45 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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all this drama, and I'm not even involved?? Where's that little popcorn eating smiley when you need it...

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#215324 - 08/03/05 08:34 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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You cant argue economics with a socialist. They are coming from a flawed concept of reality to begin with, so why bother?
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#215325 - 08/03/05 08:50 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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That may be, but apparently he can't read either.

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It's NOT your own personal account. That's where you're being snowballed. It's PRIVITIZING Social Security, not giving you your own account. That's the way they're making it sound, but it's not the way it is. Study a little bit more and then get back to me.
Still waiting for the evidence on this one. :rolleyes:

They are going to have to come up with some real reasons soon. The other one I have heard floated is "You will lose a dollar from your SS for every one you put in a private account." That might sound alarming if you don't know any better. They try to make it sound like you are missing something. Of course the truth is the dollar is going into your account instead of SS. Even if the market does shitty for forty years you will make more on it than you would in SS.
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#215326 - 08/03/05 09:05 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Dammit, there was a WilMac beatdown going on, and I missed it...shit.
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#215327 - 08/03/05 10:24 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
[b]That has to be the dumbest argument you have ever come up with. How exactly is putting my money into an account I control taking money out of my pocket?
It's NOT your own personal account. That's where you're being snowballed. It's PRIVITIZING Social Security, not giving you your own account. That's the way they're making it sound, but it's not the way it is. Study a little bit more and then get back to me.[/b]
I think Social Security is the biggest scam the government has forced on us. You will never see all the money you pay into it.
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#215328 - 08/03/05 11:15 AM Re: inaguaration protestors
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We may see the money, but at what expense? The amount of taxes that will have to be collected to make up for the shortfall to come will be staggering.
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#215329 - 09/03/05 03:02 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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All I know is i'm paying into social security for all you old motherfuckers. If they're going to start a fucking private account now, it's people in their twenties and thirties who get screwed. So unless all you "privitizing" butt pirates are close to retirement you will get fucked even with your "private" account.

Nobody can answer this question. What happens to all the money we've payed in allready? So people in their 20's and 30's have to start from scratch?

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#215330 - 09/03/05 07:58 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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Social Security is bullshit either way.

I'd happily give up all the money I've ever put into it, if I could just stop paying into it completely from here on out. Let me manage that fucking money!
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#215331 - 09/03/05 08:14 PM Re: inaguaration protestors
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I wish you could fully opt out of SS. The only way out of SS I see is to be in a union [ThumbsDown] with a pension fund or a public employee.

Anyone else know other ways?

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