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#455132 - 29/04/05 08:37 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Originally posted by RiNkY:
Dude. You're never gonna be happy with the truck if you have these concerns early on. If something goes wrong with it in 2 years you'll be thinking "What if this was caused by it not being broken in properly".

Of course, if you've signed your papers and have walked with the car you are probably screwed. Unless Canadian law differs from the US.

Take the damn thing back and get one with less miles (KMs) and quit your bitching about it is my view.
Easy there dude... [Uh Oh !]

I haven't picked it up yet -- supposed to go there later today, so that's why I was anxious for opinions.

Anyway, I appreciate everyone's advice...

Even those people that posted early on saying that it was a ridiculous concern when they don't seem to have much knowledge on the subject. :p

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#455133 - 29/04/05 09:09 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Originally posted by HardcoreCBR:
Easy there dude... [Uh Oh !]

I haven't picked it up yet -- supposed to go there later today, so that's why I was anxious for opinions.

Anyway, I appreciate everyone's advice...

Even those people that posted early on saying that it was a ridiculous concern when they don't seem to have much knowledge on the subject. :p
You asked for opinions, and that's what we're all supplying you with...our opinions. If some of us don't think it's a big deal, then that's our opinion, which is what you asked for.

And stuff. laugh

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#455134 - 29/04/05 09:47 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Originally posted by HardcoreCBR:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiNkY:
[b]Dude. You're never gonna be happy with the truck if you have these concerns early on. If something goes wrong with it in 2 years you'll be thinking "What if this was caused by it not being broken in properly".

Of course, if you've signed your papers and have walked with the car you are probably screwed. Unless Canadian law differs from the US.

Take the damn thing back and get one with less miles (KMs) and quit your bitching about it is my view.
Easy there dude... [Uh Oh !]

I haven't picked it up yet -- supposed to go there later today, so that's why I was anxious for opinions.

Anyway, I appreciate everyone's advice...

Even those people that posted early on saying that it was a ridiculous concern when they don't seem to have much knowledge on the subject. :p [/b]
I think you've already made up your own mind that the 200KM just isn't gonna cut it. The 4x4 OR in Night Armor is so rare you won't find another one very easily. So if you decide to cancel the deal, you may have to either Wait for one to be ordered, or settle for a lesser color.

When I test drive a car, I sure as hell don't follow the Run In procedure. I wanna see what the thing can do! smile

If anything, it seems like you have something to bargin on the price with! Maybe they can knock $500 or something to make you happy.

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#455135 - 29/04/05 09:50 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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I personally would not take it! I would rip a strip off the dealer.
Then I would walk away.
remember you paid after taxes over 40g's for a New X not test driven.
I would be pissed if they did that.
Not your fault the dealer is cheap now he has to sell it as a Demo haha. Or cut the price down as we all know when you drive the test vehicles you mash that pedal as hard as you can smile
You have a valid concern HardcoreCBR.

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#455136 - 29/04/05 11:08 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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The dealer had to get my SE X (oh, cool, I just realized the spelling of that as I typed) from L.A., and my sales guy went up himself to pick it up and drive it back. So it had about 120 miles (almost 200km) on it when I took delivery. Now it has almost 4,000 miles on it one month later. No problems.

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#455137 - 29/04/05 11:09 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Its 200km and you know where they came from. The car would probably get driven harder by the guy who does the dealer prep.

A dealer once tried to sell me an Altima that 1650 miles on it..that was definitely over the limit, especially since I didnt know where those miles came from.

Good luck

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#455138 - 29/04/05 11:19 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Before I had My X, I was driving a Spec V.

When the dealership delivered it, it had 650 Km's on it.

Who knows how those 650Km's were driven??? Not me, but it didn't affect the car at all.

I had absolutely NO problems with it, and it had 72,000 on it when I traded in last month...

I wouldn't be that concerned about it.

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#455139 - 29/04/05 11:20 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Originally posted by Ex2X:
The dealer had to get my SE X (oh, cool, I just realized the spelling of that as I typed) from L.A., and my sales guy went up himself to pick it up and drive it back. So it had about 120 miles (almost 200km) on it when I took delivery. Now it has almost 4,000 miles on it one month later. No problems.
Ex2X,

Poor breakin is unlikely to cause the engine to fail outright, or very early on. So it's not like you can tell after 4,000 miles that something is wrong with it.

But longer term, a poorly broken in engine can burn oil, and can have less horse power than one where the compression rings are properly seated, etc.

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#455140 - 29/04/05 11:33 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Originally posted by Digityzed:
Quote:
Originally posted by HardcoreCBR:
[b]Easy there dude... [Uh Oh !]

I haven't picked it up yet -- supposed to go there later today, so that's why I was anxious for opinions.

Anyway, I appreciate everyone's advice...

Even those people that posted early on saying that it was a ridiculous concern when they don't seem to have much knowledge on the subject. :p
You asked for opinions, and that's what we're all supplying you with...our opinions. If some of us don't think it's a big deal, then that's our opinion, which is what you asked for.

And stuff. laugh [/b]
Yeah I know... I'm not disputing anyone's right to an opinion.

But I doubt some of the people that responded as if my post was idiotic would respond like that in a face-to-face conversation.

All more or less adults on here I think -- and we can post our opinions like adults... especially if the person posting an opinion doesn't have a lot of knowledge on the subject. [Finger]

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#455141 - 29/04/05 11:34 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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So what conclusion did you come to are you getting a different one or that one?

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#455142 - 29/04/05 11:51 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Originally posted by Outback:
So what conclusion did you come to are you getting a different one or that one?
You know, if I didn't have such a good buying experience then I'd definitely not give them any benefit and I'd rip them a new one before refusing it.

But I found my sales guy to be fair and he made things simple and straight-forward as opposed to trying to slip things in there... I admit I went in there well-informed... and I negotiated pretty hard until I was happy with the discount, but I didn't feel like fought tooth and nail for every last cent -- I think it was a fair deal for me and the sales guy... overall the entire experience of buying was positive.

So what I'm going to do instead is tell him I'm not happy with the fact that he didn't call me before driving it here, that I don't know what kind of driving is behind those 200km and give them an opportunity to find me a new one -- I'm not going to take this one though [EDIT: Just made this sentence more clear].

Hell, if there is one far away, then I'd go there myself and drive it back if they let me, otherwise they need to haul it in.

If they try to force it on me -- I'll let them say their piece because I know that their first instinct will be to assure me and close the sale.

But if they don't see with in a few minutes of the song and dance that I'm not going to take it, then I'm gonna rip them a new one.

Maybe two new ones.

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#455143 - 29/04/05 12:15 PM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Im sure eveything will be fine man. Just remember what most people are telling ya, and don't fork over any money unless your 100% sure that your happy. Its not like its pocket money. Your paying for something that you will own over the next several years (or few for some :p )and if your not happy now, you wont be years from now. IMO, if I was you, then the miles wouldnt bother me. Then again, I got anal because after getting my windows tinted, there was a small spec of dust (barely noticable) that got under the tint. Good luck on your decision man.

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#455144 - 29/04/05 01:10 PM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Maybe just ask (and who knows what kind of honesty you'll get) about how the guy drove it....do you know he DIDNT break it in for you?

If not or if you think they're just blowing sunshine...rip 'em a new one and all that.

I COMPLETELY sympathize with you on it. I'm just a touch neurotic when it comes to things like this. It wouldn't ever leave me and that would suck. To many benjamins to not get exactly what you want.

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#455145 - 29/04/05 01:18 PM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Why not just ask to talk with the guy that actually did the driving?

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#455146 - 29/04/05 01:31 PM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Originally posted by MikeX:
Why not just ask to talk with the guy that actually did the driving?
But do it sneakily, like. 'Bet she really flys yeaa?' to which he'll reply. 'Bet your ass it does'. Then you can call off the whole deal! smile

I still think that it would be fine, plus you're covered by the Warranty for a few years, unless you do an insane number of miles per year. I'd express disapointment at the ODO reading, then explain that you aren't happy about purchasing the car with 200k's on the clock. They aren't gonna lose a sale without at least offering you some kind of incentive. They might throw in a free option, floor mats or somethin you aren't already getting. Or knock off some $$$. Sounds like the dealer went really out of their way to help you out, sending someone 200K's to pick it up. I'm sure they will work with you to make you happy - Without the need to go ripping everyone a new A.Hole.

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#455147 - 29/04/05 02:44 PM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Here is a question, If you are worried about the engine not being properly broken in can you not get a compression test done at 1000 or 4000 and see where it is at?

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#455148 - 29/04/05 02:58 PM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Quote:
Originally posted by HardcoreCBR:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ex2X:
[b]The dealer had to get my SE X (oh, cool, I just realized the spelling of that as I typed) from L.A., and my sales guy went up himself to pick it up and drive it back. So it had about 120 miles (almost 200km) on it when I took delivery. Now it has almost 4,000 miles on it one month later. No problems.
Ex2X,

Poor breakin is unlikely to cause the engine to fail outright, or very early on. So it's not like you can tell after 4,000 miles that something is wrong with it.

But longer term, a poorly broken in engine can burn oil, and can have less horse power than one where the compression rings are properly seated, etc.[/b]
Good point. Obviously I don't know much about breaking in a new engine. It's too late for me, but what things must one do/not do to properly break in an engine? Just wondering if anything I did or didn't do will come back to haunt me....?

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#455149 - 29/04/05 04:35 PM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Just got back from the dealership.

Thanks everyone.

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#455150 - 29/04/05 09:16 PM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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So what happened?

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#455151 - 29/04/05 09:55 PM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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He likes keeping us in suspense! smile

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#455152 - 30/04/05 02:55 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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I can't believe you are concerned about them getting you what you asked for. Cars that come from dealer-to-dealer are pretty much ALWAYS driven there to expedite the process so the customer is happy. I bought my X from my Uncle who lives about 400 miles away. I hopped in my X and drove it home the 400 miles on the highway. I didn't floor it or anything but I couldn't help the "vary speed, RPM, ect". It's a car, in today's day and age if the damn thing breaks because it was driven at a constant speed but not abused then it is a POS to begin with IMO.

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#455153 - 30/04/05 03:07 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Yeah, but if you're paying $25k+ for a brand new car, wouldn't you want a brand new car rather than some punk who de-virginized your baby before you got to?

I wouldn't. I ordered mine through the dealer, so I go pick her up, she better have less than 3 miles on her.

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#455154 - 30/04/05 05:24 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Quote:
Originally posted by MikeX:
This is from the Xterra manual:

Avoid driving for long periods at constant
speed.

The question is, what does "Avoid driving for long periods at constant speed, either fast or slow" mean? It conveniently does not define a "long period", but it does define the rpms to stay below (4000).
I stil have not heard a logical answer to this statement in the manual. Does anyone know what a "long distance" means to Nissan engine designers? Why can they state a number in the manual for rpms, but not for distance driven, they don't even say a speed to keep below. Inquiring minds want to know.

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#455155 - 30/04/05 06:08 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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Still waiting what did you decide?

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#455156 - 30/04/05 07:40 AM Re: 05 Xterra driven 200km before delivery
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I was just messing with you guys with not giving an ending to this story... [LOL]

So -- I got there and the first thing I asked my sales guy was whether it was his manager that told him to go there and pick it up versus having it hauled, and he said yes. So then I explained how I wasn't happy about the situation.

I asked to speak to the manager: the first thing I told the manager is that I was very happy with my sales guy and that it was the best buying experience I've had.

And then I asked the manager why he decided to have it driven instead of hauled, and more importantly, why I wasn't asked?

And of course he gave me the run-around. Fine -- to a point. He kept putting the onus on me about why I didn't tell them beforehand that I wouldn't accept a new car with 200km and in response I asked if I had to let them know I didn't want a car with a dent in the hood beforehand too?

I tried to get him to pinpoint the mileage that is reasonable vs not reasonable? Would a buyer that ordered a new 350Z be happy that without his knowledge, they drove it from 5 hours away and it had 550km on it? Some may not mind, I think a lot of people would be really pissed. He couldn't give me any numbers about what is reasonable. Or at what point he would ask the customer before just making the decision himself?

I asked him whether they followed breakin procedure on the trip and of course he said yes as if he had driven it himself -- but when I asked him what the breakin procedure was, all I got back was a blank expression. He couldn't tell me and neither could the sales guy. Although at one point he called in another guy and asked him (not the guy that drove it) and he gave a robot-like explanation. Fine -- 1 out of 3 ain't bad, but it ain't that good either since they are "car transportation specialists" as the manager kept putting it.

It got pretty ugly for a while. At one point, he had nothing left to say and neither did I -- and we were probably both pissed more about the argument than the actual situation.

Now I'll admit that I made a mistake in letting them prep the car without immediately voicing my concern (it was outside waiting, with plates and everything). The fact is, I didn't even think about the breakin part when I was first told it was driven -- I was a little annoyed that they didn't haul it, but it didn't occur to about breakin until later in the day about the constant RPM thing.

But at this point, after dealer prep etc, the car was registered to me, so if it went back to them, I guess it would be considered a used car and someone was going to take a huge hit.

In the end, we cooled down and started talking again. I realized after the first argument, that since we were talking about them possibly having to sell the truck as used, he was going to fight tooth and nail. Maybe let it go to court or whatever. So -- I might have been a bit picky, but I'm not a mental case.

I got the extended warranty 5 yrs/120,000km, and he agreed to discount it $400 and threw in another 2 free oil changes (for a total of 6 free oil changes).

I had driven in by myself (clearly not having intended to pick it up) so I don't have it yet, and I'm back on Monday morning to drive it home.

Someone I work with recently bought a car and he mentioned that in his agreement, it stipulated the maximum number of km's that would be on the odometer (29 or less, I think it read). I would encourage anyone buying a new car to be sure of a few things:

1. Have the maximum number of km's (or miles) in the agreement -- in the very least, if they have to go somewhere to drive it back, they'll ask you first, in order to change the agreement.
2. Don't put down a large deposit. In fact, don't put down more than $100. They won't let you walk out the door because of it, and it'll be less hassle later if something goes wrong with the deal.
3. Make sure they haven't prepped the car if you have an issue... shocked

Anyway, it's too bad all this happened. I feel bad for my sales guy -- maybe I'll fax a letter to his dealership and Nissan Canada praising him! laugh

The good part about this whole thing is that the OR in Knight Armour is an awesome combo. [ThumbsUp]

Hopefully the bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing goes away quickly! [Spit]

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