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#52145 - 13/01/06 06:59 PM Re: Toe Hook
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Originally posted by B.:
JeffW - or anybody else that wants to chime in - have you ever had any problems with your strap comming off of the receiver mounted hook?...
Never

It works great for any kind of strap or chain. With all the cold weather around here, it sure beats monkeying with that D-ring!!


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Sometimes it's nice to have one in front, too:

get good tires and don't end up like ^these^ guys!!

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#52146 - 14/01/06 10:47 AM Re: Toe Hook
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Porche -

I was trying to be brief, but that's what I was referring to...and, I've seen pins bend that way....a fabric loop, regardless of its thickness, tends to concentrate the load on the center of the pin.

We have a ASTM test rig in the shop, and we do failure analysis on structural loads, etc...and the pins can hold fine if within the insert, but can fail when merely strapped directly.

Yes- they can take a good deal of load w/o failing, but, they are NOT as strong as the hitch...as in they break/bend BEFORE the hitch is damaged...every time.

I think the saving grace for the technique is that the vast majority of pulls are much lower loads than the winches or trucks are capable of, so you could theoretically use the technique your entire life, and never have a problem...or have it break the first time, all depending upon the exact circumstances.

I think a hook is the most convenient to throw a loop over, and that the D-shackle is the least convenient...as it requires you to unbolt it every time....which takes about 5 seconds, vs 0 sec to throw over the loop. (Yes, I keep the threads lubed...)

On longer pulls, the loop can pop off of the hook, it never comes off of the D of course....and for hairy winching on precipices, etc...I don't trust hooks to not get knocked off a winch hook...I like to get the winch hook locked onto a D-shackle if possible when the terrain/situ is gnarly and the truck's are bouncing around as they're dragged along.

laugh

I keep hitting my leg on the stupid hitch thing, and cars behind me tend to get hooks more easily embedded, so the D-Shackle is a bit less dangerous, and for me, an acceptable compromise.

For most wheeling though, a hook is much easier to work with, and a hitch pin is the same convenience as a D-Shackle, but more prone to failure.

If the hitch pins were 7/8" or 1" diameter like my D-Shackle bolts, that would be different, but they are way skinnier than that.

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#52147 - 15/01/06 08:25 AM Re: Toe Hook
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Originally posted by Muzikman:
I never liked the idea of pulling from the shackle mount. If I break a tow hook it just means that I am still stuck but still have the possability to be recovered. If I break a shackle mount, unless I carry a welder, I'll be stuck on the trail with a very interesting problem. smile
Agreed.

But regardless of folks feel about Brent's method, that looks like a handy item to have around. I've pulled people out several times who didn't have proper recovery points. Risky and scary, but what else can they do if they're stuck?

I think I'll pick one up.

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#52148 - 15/01/06 08:41 AM Re: Toe Hook
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I know that solution is cheaper than this but I thought I'd mention this for comparative purposes.
A universal frame hook set with R, J, and T hooks

here:

https://www.expeditionexchange.com/recoverygear/ scroll down to Mac's Custom Tie-Downs Transit Cluster (TC-1) $20

or here:
http://www.cargoequipmentcorp.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=351&DEPARTMENT_ID=65

called Cluster Hook RTJ at 14.95

for professional frame attachment in the industry price seems reasonable. looks more versatile than the large D-ring. Just my .02

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#52149 - 15/01/06 08:43 AM Re: Toe Hook
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The other thing that comes in handy to recover those recovery point challenged is a tree strap or tow strap...you can wrap it around a sturdy part, and pull on that....which also allows you to balance the load point across a larger area.

The downside was, for me, I have had a few straps fray in the past when I didn't think about where the strap would rub under tension on the way out, etc...effectively ruining the straps...Over the years, I got better at it.

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#52150 - 15/01/06 08:49 AM Re: Toe Hook
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I carry those but don't think that I want to sacrifice straps for other people while I come up on my learning curve. The hooks mount to specific vehicles and I would rather have it rip out of an approved frame attach point due to corrosion, weak parts, etc... than to ruin straps or break other parts when the strap tensions that I had not forseen.

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#52151 - 15/01/06 10:03 AM Re: Toe Hook
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Toe straps work great for me. As I mentioned earlier I pulled my friend out of trouble. He has a 1982 jeep wrangler. Light but, it was very muddy and hilly were I had to pull him through.
Worked for me.

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#52152 - 15/01/06 12:02 PM Re: Toe Hook
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frank it is TOW not toe

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#52153 - 15/01/06 12:37 PM Re: Toe Hook
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you know what gprsh924
suck it

oooh yeah, nice mods
and Texas won the national championship

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