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#522218 - 22/01/06 06:38 PM Should I be ticked?
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Alright...I went to the dealership for its oil change, and I decided to have them rotate the tires, check a suspected leak in the rear glass, and check out a "distortion" in the driver's side mirror. Long story short, they ended up resealing the back window and ordering another mirror assembly. So I'm thinking I'm pretty happy with the experience. Then I go to wash my X today (I don't drive it every day--I still enjoy my Wrangler), and notice that they used an entirely different seal for the back window (see pictures below), and also notice that my wheels are all scratched up around the bolts (see other pictures--but they don't do the scratches justice). Should I be accepting of this new seal and scratches on the wheels? Or should I throw a fit and demand new wheels and have the rear window sealed again? Your thoughts??

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#522219 - 22/01/06 06:53 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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I would deffinetly go back to the dealer and show that to the service manager..It looks like the clearcoat over the alloy is all scrapped off...That could cause problems down the road..
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#522220 - 22/01/06 06:53 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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the scratches on the wheels inside the holes where the lugs go - you can't do much about those. i'm a ford technician and i try and be as careful as possible when i rotate the tires on my X but i still get those scratches from my sockets. the holes are just big enough to fit a socket in there - thats why they scratch. a lot of wheels get that on them.

as for the window, that's up to you whether you like the way it looks or not. IMHO, i think it doesn't look good b/c the other windows, especially the back 2, don't have weatherstripping around them.

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#522221 - 22/01/06 06:54 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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i kind of like the seal around the window. looks nice to me. the wheels would be going back if they were mine. dealer will stick it to you every chance they get, you gotta get yours when you can too. thats a major f-up on their part it looks like. are all 4 wheels like that, or maybe just the first one they did before they realized their mistake??

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#522222 - 22/01/06 06:55 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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I always thought that the rear window could possibly become a problem area with leakage. It even looks like it should/would be a window that you could open. Did they replace an inner seal or simply add the one you have now? I think it looks cool and would seem to do a better job than the stock setup.

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#522223 - 22/01/06 07:03 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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You ask them to work on your truck(routine maintainence), but you found a tool mark on it? :rolleyes: .

that seal is funky...not sure I'd do anything if it seals well, unless they can find the right one.

I might press on the seal issue, but if you cry a river about the tiny scuffs in the lug holes, you'll be flagged by the delearship as a PITA.

nice TJ..good to have 2 newer vehicles, but now you have to budget mods for 2 toys. Drive the X thru some dirt and you'll forget all about the scuff.

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#522224 - 22/01/06 07:06 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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#522225 - 22/01/06 07:22 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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The seal looks good to me and it certainly will not leak.

In terms of the lug area scratches on your wheel. Well have you canged your tire yet? I have changed an 05 and there is barely enough room for the socket!! A heavy duty thick socket may not even fit! You can barely get your finger in there to guide on the lug. Anyone with alloys is going to have that problem more so with the 05s, not like it is gonna rust through or something, its an alloy. [Smoking]

So basically no wink

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#522226 - 22/01/06 07:44 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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Thanks for all the input so far...

I agree with what you're saying; I mean, yeah, if the seal is better, then that's a good thing. And the wheel scuffs, so long as it's only cosmetic damage (meaning no long-term ill-effects result), then yeah, I can live with that. It just kinda sucks that you give your X to someone to work on, and it comes back with stuff messed up.

Don't mean to be a woman (read: complaining about cosmetics) about all this, but she's still my garage queen (for now)--I still use my TJ for all of my off-road cravings. And yeah, Mike100, budgeting for two toys is a killer!! I keep explaining to my fiance that they're both quite worthy toys and deserve to be treated well. She never really understood before (she drives a Saturn Ion [Freak] ), but I think she's starting to get it now--she now wants a Liberty (at least it's a Jeep)...

Thanks, guys...appreciate it.

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#522227 - 22/01/06 08:18 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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Is that new seal a one piece deal? How is it they have such a specialized part like that (if it is) for such a new model?

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#522228 - 22/01/06 09:15 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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XAlaska - It looks like there is a seam under the wiper arm (second to last photo), So I'd guess it's just a generic trim they have lying around.
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#522229 - 22/01/06 09:35 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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Good eye, Lightning...There is a seam under the wiper. It's raining pretty good here tonight (and supposedly tomorrow), so that will be a good test of the seal...

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#522230 - 22/01/06 09:56 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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As long as they didn't scratch the Jack Johnson sticker it's all good laugh
The wheels are gonna get scratched no matter what and if the seal makes it better than stock, that's great!

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#522231 - 23/01/06 04:42 AM Re: Should I be ticked?
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I think the rim/lugnut combination on these rims really suck. I am with Alpine on this one. I can't imagine what it would be like to get in a lot of mud and then try to change a tire. One of the first mods is going to be to ditch the rims and get some good steel rims.

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#522232 - 23/01/06 10:15 AM Re: Should I be ticked?
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It all looks fine to me. PLus what do you think is going to happen when you take it offroad? I think a dealer would laugh you off the lot for those marks in the rims.

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#522233 - 23/01/06 03:18 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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Man, I've already got several scratches on my paint and a nice scrape on my left rear rim from some moderate off-roading.

I don't mean to sound flippant but sheesh! You're gettin' worked up over nothing. Scrapes and scratches...might as well learn to love them. If you use your truck for the purpose for which it was designed, you're gonna get plenty of battle scars. Wear them with pride!

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#522234 - 24/01/06 04:56 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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I have had the joy of removing all of my tires and I have similar score marks on every single lug hole. That is not something I think you can worry about.

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#522235 - 24/01/06 07:00 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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This topic got me curious since I just upgraded to BFG 265/75/16 AT's last week. It's not a biggie to me either way but my wheels are showroom new so it can be done without scratching them.

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#522236 - 29/01/06 06:44 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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using a plastic coated lug nut socket will prevent the scratches

if it really bothers you you can take the wheels off and go over the scratches with meg's scratch x, 3m fine cut, meguire's DACP, or similar on a cotton towel and it will remove the marks

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#522237 - 05/02/06 08:24 AM Re: Should I be ticked?
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A run of electric tape on the socket would have worked too. I'd show it to the dealer, let him know how disappointed you are. maybe they will not hack up any more. This happened to me, water got under the clear coat and it seperated and looked like crap. Not sure if we have clear coat on these, Mine were Aluminum rims.
OR for like $500 there are vendors on e bay that will take these in on trade and send ya some Chrome ones just like em! There ya go! Set that color off!

MC

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#522238 - 05/02/06 08:41 AM Re: Should I be ticked?
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Uh...yeah.

If you want, you could buy the plastic coated socket and ask the dealership to use that socket on your rig.

You ask the dealership to do work, but complain about the manner in which the tech does it? If you don't want a scratch on it, buy your own tools and do it yourself. If it's a garage queen, then it won't matter if it takes you an hour to rotate 4 wheels. Then you only have yourself to blame when you scratch 'em.

I wish I knew what folks did for a living, and could complain as loud about them making a mistake as some do about mechanics making a mistake.

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#522239 - 05/02/06 05:49 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cyclemut:
Uh...yeah.

If you want, you could buy the plastic coated socket and ask the dealership to use that socket on your rig.

You ask the dealership to do work, but complain about the manner in which the tech does it? If you don't want a scratch on it, buy your own tools and do it yourself. If it's a garage queen, then it won't matter if it takes you an hour to rotate 4 wheels. Then you only have yourself to blame when [b]you
scratch 'em.

I wish I knew what folks did for a living, and could complain as loud about them making a mistake as some do about mechanics making a mistake.[/b]
Now wait a f-cking minute, with all due respect to you and the rest of the [good] mechanics who fix our cars, don't you think that when we bring our cars in to get fixed we should get them back without scratches? Hell, when I bring mine in, the idiot behind the counter goes around my truck twice to look for scratches so that they won't be held liable after I get it back. Do you really feel that when we get our vehicle servised it's ok to have a couple of scratches on it when we get it back? Personally, I wouldn't care about some minor shit like spin marks from the lug socket, but you're not approaching this very well. The truth is: the job can be done properly and if the mechanic can't do it properly, he shouldn't do it at all.

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#522240 - 05/02/06 07:45 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cyclemut:
Uh...yeah.

If you want, you could buy the plastic coated socket and ask the dealership to use that socket on your rig.

You ask the dealership to do work, but complain about the manner in which the tech does it? If you don't want a scratch on it, buy your own tools and do it yourself. If it's a garage queen, then it won't matter if it takes you an hour to rotate 4 wheels. Then you only have yourself to blame when [b]you
scratch 'em.

I wish I knew what folks did for a living, and could complain as loud about them making a mistake as some do about mechanics making a mistake.[/b]
I'm pretty sure I'm with Cono on this one...

Perhaps it's your thought process that has plagued others in your line of work. Since when is "Hey, if you want it done right, do it yourself" an acceptable response from someone who claims to be in the service industry?

Now I'm bothered by your comment simply based on principle...and I fear you're missing the point. You are paid because you claim you are a "specialist" and can provide advertised services. And yet you argue that quality is independent of service. What, in your opinion, do people pay you for if that is indeed your mentality?

Albeit, some days I wish I could display such carelessness and neglect in my line of work. But then again...not all of us ever would.

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#522241 - 05/02/06 09:33 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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My quality is above reproach. As stated above, accidents happen, and will continue to happen. As 'engineers', you also know all too well that hacks abound in the world.

Yes, you can reasonably expect to have your vehicle worked on without it being damaged. I can also expect that engineers will design things that won't fail, perform electrical repairs that won't catch buildings on fire, etc. But they do. It happens all the time.

I don't post on here how you guys fail at your jobs, or how you even do your jobs. But in my profession, you folks feal that you have a duty to call out my 'brethren' (so to speak) and point out the smallest of items. Even go so far as to post them on the internet for all the world to see.

The rest of this post has been edited as my hatred for folks 'better than those people' had got the best of me.

Oh, and I'm not a 'specialist', I'm a Master. 14 years, 3rd gen wrench.

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#522242 - 06/02/06 05:37 PM Re: Should I be ticked?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cyclemut:
My quality is above reproach. As stated above, accidents happen, and will continue to happen. As 'engineers', you also know all too well that hacks abound in the world.

Yes, you can reasonably expect to have your vehicle worked on without it being damaged. I can also expect that engineers will design things that won't fail, perform electrical repairs that won't catch buildings on fire, etc. But they do. It happens all the time.

I don't post on here how you guys fail at your jobs, or how you even do your jobs. But in my profession, you folks feal that you have a duty to call out my 'brethren' (so to speak) and point out the smallest of items. Even go so far as to post them on the internet for all the world to see.

The rest of this post has been edited as my hatred for folks 'better than those people' had got the best of me.

Oh, and I'm not a 'specialist', I'm a Master. 14 years, 3rd gen wrench.
honestly, my friend, you don't impress me - whether you're a specialist, apprentice or master. You rather amuse me with your poor logic. It's like: "yeah, I fixed your car, now take it to a body shop to get the scratches I put on there removed".

Agreed, we all make mistakes, even the engineers, but I, for one, certainly wouldn't tell a customer to fix it himself if he didn't like my wiring because I did a hack job.

I guess we all take pride in our work, just some folks have higher standards than others.

good luck.

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