Live Posting the Democrat Debate

Obama starts off....

"Listen up...."

"I don't like white people. I hate rednecks. You people are rednecks."

"That means I'm enjoying this shit."

Oh wait... that was the movie "48 Hours". Oh well. Same sentiment.

..... Charlie Gibson asks if each would take the other as a running mate. Geez.... what an idiotic question. I think we are long past any possibility of that.

Obama evades the question with bullshit.

..... Gibson hits Obama with his elitist statements about the people of PA to the San Fran billioniares.

Obama looks very uncomfortable answering and gives bullshit answer.

Clinton says she is a granddaughter of a PA factory worker. She says people don't "cling" to religion because of things in Washington. Says she can see why people would be offended by Obama's remarks.

.... Stephadickoulous asks Clinton if Obama can beat McCain.

When pressed again Clinton says he can beat McCain but she can do a better job.

Obama says Clinton can beat McCain but he can do a better job.

He goes on to claim he is a person of faith (we've seen his church and faith). He then blathers endlessly about bullshit and I couldn't pay attention to a lot of talk about nothing.

.... Gibson asks Obama about his speech on race and Pastor Jeremiah Wright. Asks further about Obama canceling Wright's appearance a year ago and why if he knew about Wright, how come it took him a year to distance himself.

Obama actually sticks up for Wright in his answer and says there is anger in the black community (Yeah.. it's called Mrs. Obama).

.... Gibson asks Clinton about Obama's church and the pastor.

She says it is intolerable to blame the US for the 9-11 attacks and she would have walked out. She says you chose your church and your pastor.

Obama blatantly lies and said he wasn't aware of those statements.

.... Steph asks Obama if Wright loves America as much as he does.

Obama completely evades the question. I don't know why Steph would think Obama loves his country. When pressed he said Wright loves this country but has reason to be angry.

This prick Obama will be the most racially divisive guy if he ever gets hold of power.

..... Clinton responded that these things are problems.

.... Clinton asked by Steph about people not seeing her as honest. They show video of guy who says she lost his vote with the Bosnia sniper thing.

She responds with BS and says there were safety concerns at the time and her recollections were less than accurate.

..... Obama asked if he thinks Clinton is honest.

Blathers on about unrelated things but says Clinton deserves to make errors once in a while.

.... A video from a white woman asking Obama if he believes in the flag and why he doesn't wear the flag (he only started doing it yesterday). He is not wearing the flag tonight on his lapel.

He claims to revere the flag. He lies about his past statement regarding wearing a flag pin.

He talked about economic injustice. Translation.... socialism.

.... Obama completely evades question about his friendship with the terrorist William Ayres.

Clinton blathers about the topic but said it could be a problem.

It was wrongly claimed that Obama only served on a board with William Ayres. He has also been friends with him socially. Clinton missed that opportunity to attack.

Obama responds by saying Bill Clinton pardoned two members of the terrorist group Weather Underground.

Clinton missed further opportunity by saying they didn't pal around and become friends with them.

.... Video question from foreign black woman about removing troops from Iraq.

Clinton says she will start withdrawing troops in 60 days. Says it will be done responsibly. (Sane and rational people know it can't be done "responsibly" in that short amount of time.

Gibson pressed about her previous contradictory statements with those of the military command.

She gives standard liberal answer that Afghanistan is being ignored.

Obama admits he would go against military command recommendations about troop levels in Iraq.

.... Steph asks Obama about Iran and possible attack on Israel.

He claims he will make it a priority to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Stumbled heavily on whether he would extend deterrence to our ally Israel.

Maybe he would leave that decision up to his Jew hating, anti-Israeli pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

Clinton blather on with her answer.

Let's face it... Democrats hate Israel.

..... Video shown of McCain saying Democrats are going to raise people's taxes.

Steph asked Clinton about tax increases even if economy is weak. Clinton says she would still raise taxes on wealthy people regardless. Translation... that means everyone with income or a job.

She claims she will not raise taxes on middle class.

Obama will raise taxes on everyone $75,000 and over.

(I hope people take notice that they are talking about raising taxes even in a bad economy)

.... Gibson asks about capital gains taxes. Said revenues go up when these taxes are lowered. Asked why raise them more?

Obama gives completely bullshit answer. Says secretaries pay more taxes than their wealthy bosses. Fails to mention that secretaries get paid as employees and pay straight income taxes. Does he know what capital gains taxes are?

Clinton says economy has to work for everyone. Translation... socialism.

Blathers on more about the fairy tale of green jobs. As union members of course.

She says she will raise capital gains taxes back to the Clinton era percentage.

Obama wants to raise social security payroll tax on income beyond current limitations.

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Interesting commercial break....

We had a commercial with a bunch of liberal actors pushing socialism through an AARP subsidiary called Divided we Fail.

Then a commercial for a stool softener.

I would think watching the Democrat debate would not require a stool softener. It already makes me want to shit.

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..... Gibson talks about the Virginia Tech shooting anniversary and asks about guns. Asks about positions on guns.

Clinton says she will reinstate assault weapons ban. In her universe somehow people are being gunned down by military style weapons all the time.

Gibson asks Obama about D.C gun ban.

Obama thinks the second amendment is related to the tradition of hunting.

Gibson presses Obama about his past support of a handgun ban.

Obama evades and lies and says we need to get past the politics. Translation.... ban guns and everyone else shut up.

Both of them lie about not knowing facts regarding the D.C case. Both are working overtime to completely evade any concrete positions regarding guns or bans on guns.

.... Steph asks Obama an affirmative action question. Should poor whites be considered.

Obama says race is still a factor in our society. Steph asks should wealthy blacks be factored in for affirmative action.

(Affirmative action has been declared illegal. Don't these people know that?)

Obama says he FAVORS affirmative action. He evaded including whites. Says people left out of the system need that help. What about poor whites?

Obama might as well have said "I hate white people."

..... Question about the price of oil.

Clinton said she would release oil from the strategic petroleum reserve. In her fucking idiotic world she thinks that would lower the price.

Obama blathered and I have no idea what the fuck he was trying to get at. Government control was in there somewhere.

.... Final question about the convention and reaching out to the superdelegates.

Clinton blathered that she would fight on for the people. Translation... socialism and more government control.

Obama blathered on about healthcare for all Americans and the typical bullshit. Translation... socialism and more government control.

He also repeated a long stated lie that he says often and no one challenges him on. He claimed he doesn't take money from lobbyists. That is a blatant lie. Obama took money from Jack Abramoff's firm. He even went there for a fundraiser to accept the money.

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In conclusion......

Both spent the entire evening evading and not directly answering most of the questions. That's fairly typical. They can't let the voters know how they really feel and their real agendas.

Hillary Clinton missed numerous opportunities to attack and nail down Obama. I don't know why she took the softer route. Politics is a contact sport. It's a blood sport.

She should have been more forceful than she was regarding Obama's friendship with the anti-American terrorist William Ayres and his wife. Other things too.

Wow a glimpse into the mind of angry and paranoid political mind of NYMADMAN

uh...yeah... thanks...

Its like were all there with you at the computer...



eghhh

/he really does look like this...but with a better mullet

Awww.... poor little Weasel.

Commentary about your socialist candidates... I mean Democrat candidates... and you get all bent out of shape.

Get over it socialist.

hehe exactly... I was just joking with you.

you weirdo

Would it even matter if I did give you a 1 truck rating? I have nothing against you, you are welcome to your own views, it's nothing personal. Honestly I'm not even sure why I would give you a 1 truck rating? Don't believe me? Any mod is welcome to check.

Now, what kind of rating did you give me?

Never had a tantrum, I even thanked Madman for being so civil. I honestly like to read the posts, I do all the time, though I barely have anything to contribute. I also try to avoid these political issues, but sometimes it's just people like you making false remarks, and sometimes I give in and have to post. Guilty pleasure, I figure why the clubhouse even exists.

Ahh, sure, that helps your point so much. Seriously, calm down, you're the one with the tantrum.

What, we're in 8th grade now, that's the attitude you're giving off.

Let's get back to talking about B. Hussein Obama... or what can be described as the insanity known as "Obamamania"....

"I hate white people". That is a theme running through a lot of Obama's life. It is definitely a theme of his chosen church.

"I hate America". That also seems to be a theme of Obama's chosen church. "God Damn America" is his pastor Jeremiah Wright's ideology. No question about that.

Obama and his church most definitely hated the founding fathers of this nation.

Surely Obama read his church bulletins. More aptly described as "hate America" bulletins. Often "hate the founding fathers" bulletins. Sometimes "hate the Jews" bulletins.

Here is a copy of the church "Pastor's Page" where Obama's church calls Thomas Jefferson a pedophile and a rapist.....



Click here... for entire article.

Almost every single week this church's bulletin was filled with anti-American hatred. Hatred for the founders of this country. Hatred for whitey. hatred for Jews and Israel.

Where is Hillary Clinton? Why is she not bringing this shit up? Where is the fucking media? The country needs to know the real Obama.

As someone who is part Italian I don't like Obama's pastor referring to Italians as "garlic noses" either.

Obama purposely chose to be a part of this hate and it should be a topic that all Americans are made aware.

But, we're talking about the U.S. govt. here! You don't think they will drag their feet until you die? Hell, that's what they do in Canada!

Not saying that our system is great...just that I don't trust the govt. to be in charge of my healthcare. Scary!

What you're saying has merit, there is a possibility it could be worse.

Quite honestly, I don't know of a perfect solution, but the current system isn't working.

For the most part, counties that have socialized medicine seem to have better infant mortality rates . Though there are many factors, so theres not a clear reason.

From here
So as you can see, we waste more money filling the pockets of insurance companies. If their goal wasn't to profit from us (meaning they don't want to pay out) then theres a possibility they would cover more health issues.

Sure you can say the US health care system is the best in the world, but why does Cuba and Canada both have a higher life expectancy than us?

Not very useful if you're just going to die earlier anyway.

Who won the debate last night? ...... John McCain.

Below is an interesting video of a focus group of Democrat voters. When asked if their candidate, either Hillary or Obama, does not get the nomination.... how many will vote for John McCain.

A surprising number of these Democrats raised their hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6BIp8QiNts

Barack Hussein Obama's father was a communist.

While Barry O was writing and compling a bullshit story for his book "Dreams of my Father" or "Dreams of my Father who Abandoned Me" or whatever it's called.... he failed to include one very important fact. He intentionally failed to mention that his father was a hardcore African communist.

Someone has even dug up some of Obama Sr.'s writings. Here is something he wrote in 1965...

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_eastafrica.html

Obama Sr. advocated the following:

....Communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced "development plan", an important element of his attack on the government's advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)

....Nationalization of "European" and "Asian" owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the "indigenous" black population. (pp. 32 -33)

....Increasing taxation on "the rich" even up to the 100% level, arguing that, "there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay" (p. 30) and that, "Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed." (p. 31)

....Advocated an "active" rather than a "passive" program to achieve a classless society through the removal of economic disparities between black Africans and Asian and Europeans. (p. 28)..... "so long as we maintain free enterprise one cannot deny that some will accumulate more than others .. " (pp. 29-30)

....Price controls and government owned farms

Maybe this explains why Obama Jr. sought out and befriended so many Marxist college professors when he was in school and attended socialist rallies at Cooper Union while going to Columbia University here in NY.

He's a chip off the old block.

Huh, didn't know you were such a fan of Sen. McCarthy. At least he wasn't a racist.

So now it's racism to discuss the truth about Obama?


Fuck Off.

Obama sought out socialists all throughout his life. When he was young and living in Hawaii, one of his so-called "mentors" was a Marxist and member of the Communist Party USA named Frank Marshall Davis.

It seems all of Obama's "mentors" are shady characters who are all turning out to be Marxists or racists. All of whom hate this country.

He's friends with terrorists.

Obama is a fucking creep and a lying piece of shit. But I guess that's racist to say that too, right?

Why is it that when you point out the racist and idiotic things Obama says and does, the libs always tag you a racist?

Take the Jorge douchebag, for instance. After being completely owned on the stupidity of his own comments around the "magic negro" moniker, he comes back with a long reply to every point I made, but still doesn't rescind his racist comment.

Who's the racist?

As for the 8th grade comment, I got a chuckle out of that. It's shortly after 8th grade that most people lose the stocking hat and scraggly hair. Most people. On the plus note, the stocking cap in every picture lends creedence as an Obama supporter, because you'd be right at home in Fat Albert's gang.

They call you a racist because that is all they have. They cant debate the ideas, so they try to stifle the debate by screaming racism.

It is typical. Liberals are the true racists and they don't even have the balls to admit it, Nor the brains to realize it.

Though every attack seems to include that Obama hates white people.

Also, NYMM, you didn't seem to include any info about Obama, just people around him.

Though that is fair game, all the issues are being skirted.

Post evidence to the contrary. That's how rational people debate, rather than just resorting to calling them a racist because they state facts in support of their argument.

Christ, who's acting like the 8th grader?

Obama's church is a hotbed of the "reparations for slavery" shakedown movement.

In fact the epicenter for the slavery reparations movement is Chicago.

Obama's church supports taxpayers paying reparations for slavery.

Obama's pastor and "spiritual mentor", Jeremiah Wright, was the keynote speaker at the 2007 annual conference of N’COBRA, which stands for the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. Wright is a big shot in that organization and a leader in the reparations shakedown movement.

http://www.ncobraphiladelphia.org/joomla/schedule.html

I called you a racist, not NYMM. He makes valid points, you just call him a magic negro.

And seriously, what is up with you? I back up my claims, you go on random rants about Jersey.

MBFlyerfan,
You realize how you say that "liberal"s are calling people against Obama racists, while "neocons" are calling Obama himself racist?

How about following your advice and not focus on race, and the issues. Which I have been trying to you.

I've posted lots of shit about Obama. There are numerous threads on this board about him or discussing him.

Regarding the people Obama choses to be friends.... birds of a feather.

The Muslim terrorist group Hamas endorses Obama for president.

It seems on some radio show this past Sunday, the chief political adviser to the Prime Minister of Hamas, Ahmed Yousef, endorsed Obama for president. ""We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election."

There a link to the audio at the site listed below...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020315.php

No word yet on the all important Al Qaeda and Hezbollah endorsements for Obama.

Sounds like he's presidential material!

Or maybe just Defense Secretary material...

What a load of horseshit.

And Conservatives CAN debate the material? Conservatives are the most guilty of shoot the messenger, not the message.

John Kerry...we won't debate his ideas, we'll talk about his vietnam experience.

Obama...we won't debate his ideas, we'll go after his minister and father.

Gore...we won't debate his ideas, we'll claim he said he invented the internet.

Hillary...we won't debate her ideas, we'll revive the "Clinton's will hire a hitman" claims.

Just following your lead. I followed a personal attack with a personal attack.

Since it still hasn't gotten through that thick skull of yours, maybe you shoudl go back and read the posts about the origins of the Magic Negro phrase. Douchebag.