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#591958 - 21/04/08 03:02 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by Desert_Rat:
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Originally posted by Yasha:
[b]one more thing DR, just because I don't believe in what you believe I should go somewhere else, FUCK you. how about you move out to Russia. The beauty of this country is that it is dynamic it changes, I believe it should go one way, you believe it should go another. Be happy you can say it.
There you go, Yasha. You just solved your own conundrum. You don't have those freedoms in Russia. Why on earth would you want to change this country to be more and more like that? How well did Russia work under their brand of socialism? How productive is a country with no individual motivation to get ahead?

Idealism is one thing. Reality is another. Idealism is great when everyone puts forth an equal effort to be successful. If everyone in this country did that, there wouldn't be people in poverty. That's not the case though. There are people here much smarter than others, and much more ambitious than others. If you drag those poeple down and force them to support everyone else, you end up with a failed experiment just like the Soviet Union.

Prove me wrong and then throw out the Fuck You's at me.[/b]
Easy response,
USSR was not socialist. it was stalinist. If you know ur history u know I'm right. USSR was throwing 99% of its money into the military which
is why the economy fell down.

And NO, Socialized health care will not put the US close to USSR. the Patriot Act is what's putting us close, closing down our freedom.

Again if u know ur history, there has been no USSR for 17 years. Russia right now is a lot more capitalistic. It does not look like you understand what I am trying to tell you.
ALL I want is for everyone to have the same opportunity, to succeed, and have the individual choose. Right now it's not so.

and no I did not solve my own conundrum. Again I repeat, if you don't like me saying this, and you don't like me talking like this, u can go ahead and move out to Russia, where you can do whatever you want, no one cares, and if you want something you have to pay for it.

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#591959 - 21/04/08 03:10 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by Yasha:

ALL I want is for everyone to have the same opportunity, to succeed, and have the individual choose. Right now it's not so.

Yes, if you work hard enough and want it bad enough you will succeed and we all have the same opportunity to succeed.

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#591960 - 21/04/08 03:33 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by Yasha:
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ALL I want is for everyone to have the same opportunity, to succeed, and have the individual choose. Right now it's not so.

Yes, if you work hard enough and want it bad enough you will succeed and we all have the same opportunity to succeed.[/b]
Please tell that to the millions of individuals who are impoverished with no way to break out

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#591961 - 21/04/08 04:12 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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A factory closure shouldn't be a source of permanent poverty if its workers are resilient and have an instinct to survive rather than staying in the same old town wallowing in self pity.

The ambitious and the intelligent will always find success. It's more character than circumstance.
Never been to the rust belt, have you?
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#591962 - 21/04/08 04:13 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Can't and won't are two different things. Sooner or later nearly all of us suffer some circumstance that inhibits our ability to achieve success in life. Most of us respond by rallying to overcome adversity either fully or at least to the extent possible. When you've done this it's easy to resent lazy people who latch on to the usual excuses for their own failures. That is not to say that everyone who is struggling is lazy, but too often we as a society fail to make this distinction and in doing so we encourage this kind of excuse-making. When we do this we do it at the expense of those who truly need and deserve help.

Our government should encourage responsibility and self reliance - but politicians derive a benefit (power, influence, and control) from an irresponsible and dependent populace. This is what's wrong with government and politicians in general. If we are to make a distinction between Republican and Democrat, or at least distinguish between the platforms of each party, we see that the Dems pursue an agenda that increases our dependence on government while the Repubs encourage (at least in theory) the opposite.

It's the classic lesser-of-two-evils argument, but it's all we have to work with and it's the best reason I can find to belong to either party. With that said, I agree with the original premise of this thread - thirty some pages ago.

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#591963 - 21/04/08 06:17 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by Desert_Rat:
[b]A factory closure shouldn't be a source of permanent poverty if its workers are resilient and have an instinct to survive rather than staying in the same old town wallowing in self pity.

The ambitious and the intelligent will always find success. It's more character than circumstance.
Never been to the rust belt, have you?[/b]
I've lived there. Notice I don't anymore. It's also exactly the reason I don't live in Wyoming anymore, a place I loved. I had a choice. Work shit hourly jobs there or pack up and go where there was opportunity. I came to Arizona with everything I owned in the back of a 5x8 Uhaul trailer and started with nothing. I do pretty well now.

Yasha, perhaps you should watch the news and see what's happening in your old country. Look at what Putin is trying to return it to.

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#591964 - 21/04/08 06:25 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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I've lived there. Notice I don't anymore. It's also exactly the reason I don't live in Wyoming anymore, a place I loved. I had a choice. Work shit hourly jobs there or pack up and go where there was opportunity. I came to Arizona with everything I owned in the back of a 5x8 Uhaul trailer and started with nothing. I do pretty well now.
So riddle me this...

A man works for Visteon for 40 years. Started way back when it was Philco Ford. He's raised 4 kids. They are now successful and have kids of their own in college. Visteon comes up and tells him, "sorry...your job is gone. Oh...and by the way...so is your pension."

What now? You think he can really move to Arizona and start over?
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#591965 - 21/04/08 06:35 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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[b]What I do want is everyone starting out at the same level. Every American gets born with the same opportunities.
Everyone in this country is born at the same level with the same opportunities. Some may be born into families with more money, but everyone has the same opportunities.
.[/b]




Riiiiiiiiight...

American poverty is very real and not as simple as "making better choices".

American poverty is severe problem that we cannot just scoff at and say get a job when the hardest working uneducated poor stiff makes 7 bucks an hour and maybe after 5 years might make night supervisor.

If we can get more people into college (hell just get them a GED) and back into their communites to pull more people out with them the better off we will all be as a nation.

Not all of the poor are the lazy scum you envision them to be.
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#591966 - 21/04/08 07:39 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Riiiiiiiiight...

American poverty is very real and not as simple as "making better choices".
Everyone has the same opportunities in this country. EVERYONE has access to a free public education to better themselves.

The problem is behavior and "culture" within certain demographics. Something you leftists refuse to address. You actually exasperate those problems.

As I said, the main reasons for poverty in this country I listed in a post above. However.... that requires a modicum of discipline and personal responsibility. It probably requires some societal values and some shared morals. Something you people on the left have been working extremely hard at completely removing from the American experience and absolving people of any personal responsibility.

Every argument you leftists put forth regarding poor people in America is complete bullshit. Many immigrants to this country outright prove your arguments to be bullshit.

Case in point.... the majority of Asian immigrants. They come here without a nickel in their pockets and within less than a generation most have achieved success. Do you know why that is? They don't view themselves as "victims". They don't have a sense of entitlement that someone else owes them something. They have simple, yet tried and true values and ethics for success.... hard work.... education.... personal responsibility... and family.

They are the keys to success in this country. They are the core values. Values of which almost ALL on the left and the socialists completely disregard and disavow.

Socialists push "victimization" because the more victim classes you can create, the faster the path to societal socialism.

Not a single fucking one of you care about your fellow man or the causes of poverty. It's nothing but a political tool.

Asians aren't even included in many leftist "affirmative action" type racial programs any more because the left can't use them as victims. That's because as a group they largely succeed.

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#591967 - 21/04/08 08:17 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Oh yeah... I forgot to mention....

You know what the difference is between these two photos you posted Weasel?

The top is of course Paris Hilton. She was born into wealth. A fortune that someone several generations before her acquired due to hard work and taking advantage of the opportunities available in this country. Somewhere, not too far in her family history was some working class or poor guy who came from nothing and built a fortune and a business empire. The greatness of America allowed that to occur.

It makes no difference if the heirs to that Hilton fortune are shallow or privileged. It's their family's money. The family earned it legally and in the entrepreneurial spirit of our free society and it is no one else's business how much money they are worth.

Paris herself has made millions being a celebrity whore in today's society. A valueless, shameless, and basically immoral society that you people on the left have worked very hard to achieve. A society where no one is supposed to cast judgment or moral aspersions on others. An "anything goes" society. She is a product of people like you.

The second photo is also a product of people like you. Government dependence without accountability of personal behavior and personal choices.

Maybe even LBJ met those government dependents in his "Great Society" helicopter tour of Appalachia.

LBJ like you, are making sure none of them ever know the meaning of the word "responsibility".

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#591968 - 21/04/08 08:45 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Originally posted by Desert_Rat:
[b]I've lived there. Notice I don't anymore. It's also exactly the reason I don't live in Wyoming anymore, a place I loved. I had a choice. Work shit hourly jobs there or pack up and go where there was opportunity. I came to Arizona with everything I owned in the back of a 5x8 Uhaul trailer and started with nothing. I do pretty well now.
So riddle me this...

A man works for Visteon for 40 years. Started way back when it was Philco Ford. He's raised 4 kids. They are now successful and have kids of their own in college. Visteon comes up and tells him, "sorry...your job is gone. Oh...and by the way...so is your pension."

What now? You think he can really move to Arizona and start over?[/b]
I'd hope after 40 years he's had the foresight to save up and be ready for semi retirement.

I agree, there are circumstances where people really get a bum deal, but you and I both know these aren't the people we're talking about. We're talking about people who make no effort to get anywhere in life. There are millions of those people in this country. It's not because opportunities weren't there.

But if you want to continue to twist the point around, don't let me stop you. Clearly no one's mind is going to get changed from a simple internet discussion board debate. Go read "Atlas Shrugged". There's movers in this world, and then there's everyone else. Why should the movers pick up the tab for them?

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#591969 - 21/04/08 08:55 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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If there is something I personally value is hard work and education. I am not a "Socialist" or "Commie" (sigh) :rolleyes:

...Im not going to speak to the other poisonous comments and gross generalizations...because its childish and unproductive.

The Asians/Africans y that come to this country are a different lot than those here.

Im of the opinion that most immigrants that come here already have a plan, have some measure of education and (contrary to what you may think)some money.

It takes a GREAT deal of money and time to get here to the states from say Vietnam or Nigeria. These people are already the upper middle class of their respective nations and know the system.

Generally, the further the nation is to the US, the harder it is to get here therefore a rarer type of person is required to emerge.

So it is a VERY special type of (Aka rare) person to go from flies in your mush to American success story.

MOST people who come here from Africa/Asia are sons/daughters of the well to do-ish or part of a special program

They work hard, send their kids to college and generally do well for themselves because they have foundation.

This foundation of values was built by their family, schools, and culture. A foundation allowed by their environment to bud for whatever reason (stability, family support,education) in their home nation and blossom here in the states.

The part where you are correct is the lack of basic foundation.
At least I think thats what you are trying to say.

Without a basic foundation of right and wrong, hard work, dedication as children devastating problems occur.

I dont like to stomp on the poor for making stupid decisions because "there but for grace of God, go I".

Where would any of us be without foundation.
Where would you be without yours?

I would imagine that without a father I would be someplace different, less of a man

I would imagine that if my mother had to work two jobs as a housecleaner and at diner she would not really have time to truly guide me and only hope the school can help. Maybe less of a moral compass

I would imagine that with my prison type school with overworked or under-experienced teachers graduation hopes look dim...who gives a shit anyway... college haha

No manhood, no moral compass, no education...now get out there and make good choices son.

I have a graduate education, career, family and strong community.
I am not a self made man. I am the product of the love and support of my family, friends, teachers, scoutmaster, employers and down to the little nun that scared the crap out of me when age 8.
I owe them everything and honor them by living a good and loving life.

Begin to take those people out of my life and I am a different, probably worse person.

Poverty is difficult dilemma because it necessitates addressing of many socioeconomic problems.

Problems that simply taking away their food stamps to "encourage them" to be "get with the system" wont help.

They will just turn to crime, we'll put them in jail and we get to pay for them there. Only here they will get an education...only a different type of education.

Life is not as simple as you think my crazy friend.
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#591970 - 21/04/08 10:04 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Weasel:

[b]Riiiiiiiiight...

American poverty is very real and not as simple as "making better choices".
Everyone has the same opportunities in this country. EVERYONE has access to a free public education to better themselves.

The problem is behavior and "culture" within certain demographics. Something you leftists refuse to address. You actually exasperate those problems.

As I said, the main reasons for poverty in this country I listed in a post above. However.... that requires a modicum of discipline and personal responsibility. It probably requires some societal values and some shared morals. Something you people on the left have been working extremely hard at completely removing from the American experience and absolving people of any personal responsibility.

Every argument you leftists put forth regarding poor people in America is complete bullshit. Many immigrants to this country outright prove your arguments to be bullshit.

Case in point.... the majority of Asian immigrants. They come here without a nickel in their pockets and within less than a generation most have achieved success. Do you know why that is? They don't view themselves as "victims". They don't have a sense of entitlement that someone else owes them something. They have simple, yet tried and true values and ethics for success.... hard work.... education.... personal responsibility... and family.

They are the keys to success in this country. They are the core values. Values of which almost ALL on the left and the socialists completely disregard and disavow.

Socialists push "victimization" because the more victim classes you can create, the faster the path to societal socialism.

Not a single fucking one of you care about your fellow man or the causes of poverty. It's nothing but a political tool.

Asians aren't even included in many leftist "affirmative action" type racial programs any more because the left can't use them as victims. That's because as a group they largely succeed.[/b]
Well, it is quite hard to get an education if you were born in inner-city ghetto's or any city that has crap for property value. As you should know poor cities have low property value, thus schools have less money.

Do you seriously believe that a kid who goes to a school in an old firestation with holes in the walls, kids sharing books, really old ones????
or a well funded school, where every kid gets new books every year. Do you think that is equal? Do you think that is fair.

I am neither a democrat nor a republican, I am an independent. I do not agree with both. I have to choose on the lesser of the 2 evils.

I agree we have to better ourselves by ourselves, but what i find unfair is that a kid that is born in poverty has a grim look at succeeding, cause he or she cannot get the education, cannot afford to have health care, and ends up on the streets. As opposed to a kid that is born in the upper class and has everything handed to him, I find it not fair. Now if the republicans started to spend money into these poor schools and actually make an attempt, then I'll be supporting them. Both Kids have a right to health care. and Both kids have the right to get a good education. Even though the truth is that the upper class kid will get one.

I do believe in personal responsibility. and that if you want something you have to work for it, but not for health care nor education.

And do not think the working class are lazy. 85% of individuals on welfare do leave welfare and go above the poverty line, but stay around the poverty line as there is close to impossible to get into the middle class.

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#591971 - 21/04/08 10:06 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Generally, the further the nation is to the US, the harder it is to get here therefore a rarer type of person is required to emerge.

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MOST people who come here from Africa/Asia are sons/daughters of the well to do-ish or part of a special program
You are wrong in that aspect.

I wasn't talking about African immigrants. You included them on your own. I was clearly talking about penniless people from Asia - the Orient- that come here. I wasn't including those from India or Pakistan.... many of whom do have some means or resources prior to coming here.

You acknowledge the fact that some of these Asians are very successful BECAUSE of their family values and the value they place on education and hard work.

Yet you leftists do everything within your power to completely remove these values from the American value system.

That makes you people even twice as dangerous and loathsome because you admit you recognize the worth of those values in others, yet work tirelessly to remove those values from American society.

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Without a basic foundation of right and wrong, hard work, dedication as children devastating problems occur.
You leftists do everything you can to remove every semblance of "right and wrong" from our society.

Moral relativism is your destructive credo and dogma.

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Where would any of us be without foundation.
Where would you be without yours?
Why do you leftists work so tirelessly to remove any and all foundations from American society and the American family?

The destruction of the family is your legacy.

Marx dictated the destruction of the family was necessary for socialism to advance in Western society.

You and everyone on the left are a part of the destruction of the family occurring here in America and of the decline and almost complete removal of personal responsibility from the American experience and value system.

You people have no value system. That is the major problem.

I don't care what you claim you would be if your life were configured in any other way. You are a product of the value system, morality, and ethics presented to you by those in your life.

In days gone by, even a ward of the state was presented with a decent enough value system in order to make responsible choices in their life. One of the best men I ever worked with was a ward of the state as a child. He grew up in a government orphanage. He was ending his career when I was just starting. However he was a man with admirable values, ethics and morality. Superior to most. A man you leftists if he was a child today would write off as a lost cause to circumstance and "victimization".

However, he was fortunate enough regardless of his circumstances to succeed in life because he was born at a time when even the state and those representing the state were allowed to convey values, ethics and morality to those in their charge. They were allowed to be tough when it was required. They were allowed to even instill a love of country. There was no moral relativism.

You leftists have even destroyed the very state sponsored institutions that once were a vital safety net in this country with your perverse disdain for values, responsibility, morality, and the individual. The very same "safety nets" you fraudulently claim to support.

Removing personal responsibility... as all you people on the left work tirelessly at doing... plus other things like removing moral norms, standards, and values from society and creating a culture of victimization has done far more damage to our society as a whole than anything else in the history of this country.

But then again, that is your purpose and goal.

It's the road to serfdom.

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#591972 - 21/04/08 10:43 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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This is why I hate talking politics,
it's like two walls talking too each other.

What I want does not lead to serfdom, and never will. Guess the majority vote will see who agrees with who

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#591973 - 21/04/08 10:50 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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#591974 - 21/04/08 10:53 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Well, it is quite hard to get an education if you were born in inner-city ghetto's or any city that has crap for property value. As you should know poor cities have low property value, thus schools have less money.
Oh really. Where do you get your information and statistics?

I live in a city that is primarily all minorities, yet this city spends more per child on education than most places in the world. The taxpayers are currently being raped at a rate of up to $14,000 a year per pupil and a lot of that money goes to the worst areas of the city by court mandate.

So... Why is education in NYC such a failure? If we spent $20,000, or even $50,000 per child the results would not be much different. It would still be a failure and half the student population would drop out.

I won't even get into the bureaucratic and union problems in the system. The answer is clear. The failure of the educational system in urban areas is extremely obvious and is in everyone's faces every single day.

The failure is "culture". It's complete lack of discipline, values, and ethics, that originates in the home, but it is also perversely the toleration and even the exasperation of separate minority "cultures" within the American educational system and American society itself.

All of which are the product of liberal and left wing policies going back many years. Who controls the American educational establishment? Liberals and the left. The problems get worse with every passing year and all they care about is government throwing more money at the system to shore up union power, but never addresses the ever worsening problem.... the separate minority culture that has been fostered and festered. It has even been affecting and bleeding over into the white community and student body.

Since the 60's and the government liberals destroying the black family to a point where now about 70% are born out of wedlock (remember the causes of poverty in America) the social situation is unsustainable and out of control until something is done about the family structure and separate cultural structure.... all created and designed by leftists. The black family in America was NOT like this until liberals destroyed it with their destructive social engineering policies. All under the guise of bogus compassion.

Hispanics are exceeding a 50% out of wedlock birth rate and rising these days. That is also a current and further future disaster coming for this country.

Asians.... Most get married then have kids.
Indians....Most get married then have kids.

You don't see the strife all across the social spectrum from most Asians and Indians. Gee... wonder why?

You fucking liberals and leftists are dragging the entire country down the tubes because you refuse to address the out of wedlock birth issues in this country. It's a disaster and it is killing our society. maybe that is your goal. Seems like it.

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#591975 - 21/04/08 11:05 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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When has Barack Obama... as a black man and a black candidate... spoke truth to power and told black people, and all people in general.... to stop having children out of wedlock?

Don't hold your breath.

Secure and stable family units mean less power and less need for the Democrat Party.... and socialism.

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#591976 - 21/04/08 11:48 PM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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So what do u propose to fix the situation?

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#591977 - 22/04/08 01:01 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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So what do u propose to fix the situation?
Didn't I just say what was the major problem in our society? Do you really have to ask someone else what would be involved as far as working towards fixing the problem?

The answer should be obvious to you.

Unfortunately, with the destructive and suicidal notions of political correctness being so pervasive in society (advanced by you people on the left) it would be an almost insurmountable or very difficult hurdle at this point.

Much damage has already been done to society and the left has no interest in correcting the problem. Their goal is more government and socialism. Not a correction of the problem itself. The left helped create the problem with that goal in mind.

The left needs collective groups for power. They, or you, are never going to help solve the problem. The left worked to create the problem and current social situation. They will never work to solve it.

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#591978 - 22/04/08 01:13 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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[b]So what do u propose to fix the situation?
Didn't I just say what was the major problem in our society? Do you really have to ask someone else what would be involved as far as working towards fixing the problem?

The answer should be obvious to you.

Unfortunately, with the destructive and suicidal notions of political correctness being so pervasive in society (advanced by you people on the left) it would be an almost insurmountable or very difficult hurdle at this point.

Much damage has already been done to society and the left has no interest in correcting the problem. Their goal is more government and socialism. Not a correction of the problem itself. The left helped create the problem with that goal in mind.

The left needs collective groups for power. They, or you, are never going to help solve the problem. The left worked to create the problem and current social situation. They will never work to solve it.[/b]
yes u told us what the problem is, all you have been doing is mocking the left and me.
and blaming the left for everything that is screwed up. It's funny how the right has been in power for the most part since 94.
From 94 up to 06, the right who controlled the congress has met less time than the DO nothing congress.

SO please What is your idea of what should be rightfully done to help the situation, as opposed to mocking the left for what you see as bad policy? What do u think should be done? uh?
Sit there and make everyone pay up? have everyone fend for themselves?

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#591979 - 22/04/08 03:01 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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SO please What is your idea of what should be rightfully done to help the situation, as opposed to mocking the left for what you see as bad policy? What do u think should be done? uh?
Sit there and make everyone pay up? have everyone fend for themselves?
It's a problem that has been going on for a number of decades. It certainly didn't start with Republicans in the 90's. That is an asshole comment on your part.

You know exactly how it started and you know exactly why the subject is not being addressed in the public arena. It is because left wing assholes like you accuse people who broach the subject as being racists.

Not unlike our current problems with a black, racist, leftist, running for president.

The only way to stop it is a change in culture, behavior, and attitude. A lot of public education and even public service announcements. On a VERY LARGE scale. The same and/or similar way... but reverse the damage that scum liberals have done to this society by the same means.

Personal responsibility MUST also be stressed heavily.

It's better to pay for a lot of public service announcements than a lifetime of welfare and government dependence.

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#591980 - 22/04/08 03:18 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Back to the subject of this thread... The Election

NOTICE TO ALL PENNSYLVANIA DEMOCRATS....

Vote Hillary Clinton.....

(Because it will be a little less taxation and less socialism than the other Democrat)



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#591981 - 22/04/08 03:51 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Oh Yeah..... One more thing. I almost forgot.

Hillary Actually Likes White People...



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#591982 - 22/04/08 05:01 AM Re: Man enough to admit I've got ED..
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Hillary on Iran

http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=4698059

Quote:
Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on "Good Morning America" Tuesday. ABC News' Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
That's hot.

On a side note, Obama promised to write a strongly worded letter if Iran ever nuked Israel.

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