Exactly.....

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

-Sir Winston Churchill. ...

You realize more money is spent on this war than on social programs?

Why the hell should I pay for this?

I see why college kids go for people like Obama... they don't understand the value of a dollar yet nor do they comprehend what a hard days work is. All they know is what they hear from mouth pieces who spout off about government sponsored programs that'll lead them to a better way of life. They completely miss the fact that those programs will leave them with a miniscule paycheck and about a 0% chance of being able to support a family.

I don't completely blame the kids though.. as I said they only know what they're told. When they grow up hopefully they'll figure it out for themselves. I know I did!

We disagree...

These go to eleven!

DR, I understand where ur coming from, I am paying for everything myself, I am not upper class nor in the working class. I am fully supporting myself so I do understand the dollar. I do not mind debating, just I don't see this conversation is going anywhere. All everyone is doing is mocking each other. It is not going anywhere.

I believe I do pay taxes, I have paid taxes. It is what it is.

What I do not like is the fact that I pay for health insurance, and when I need to go to the doctor, I still have to pay more money. These insurance companies do not care about ones health, they just care about bringing in more money than they pay out. Also, these insurance companies should not have a say on medical procedures. If it needs to be done they need to pay it. And say no to it, just because they think it's expensive and do not want to dish out the cash.

The only other way i see this problem improving it, is if the government takes responsibility, and provides it. Yes your taxes will go up, but think about it this way, you won't have to pay the insurance companies premium, deductible. Yes we should adopt models from Canada, but we can improve it.

but you rightists will disagree, and say that these companies have a right to exploit the individual. That they have a right to profit. Blah I say the well being of all individuals is as important.
The 40 million individuals have the same right to health care as anyone else out there.

Been there, done that.

I like the way things are here, now.

Well....certainly, bringing the federal government in to run the healthcare system will streamline it. Of course......

Yes we should adopt more Canadian models

Back to the election..........

HILLARY KICKS ASS IN PA

Hillary is kicking Obama's ass in Pennsylvania. Even in areas where Obama was supposed to win really big like Philly, Hillary is making a better showing than was expected.

Right now she is ahead by 8% and most of the middle of the state is yet to report results.

She may wind up winning the state by double digits.

This is GOOD NEWS.

If she picks up steam and wins the next couple of states... then cheats and gets the Michigan and Florida delegates seated... she would be ahead and in line for the nomination.

OK... Time for a little analysis....

At this point Hillary is up 10% over Obama. As of this writing she is ahead by something like 250,000 votes. This makes you wonder about something.

The media recently was claiming that somewhere around 160,000 people changed their party affiliation in PA from Republican to Democrat. They quickly made assumptions that all these people must have changed in order to vote for Obama. Since the media is HEAVILY biased in favor of Obama, they failed to mention an important point.....

Right wing and conservative talk show hosts have been urging people to change party affiliation in order to vote for Hillary in the primaries. I think Rush Limbaugh calls his "Operation Chaos".

Now look at the PA results. It looks like "Operation Chaos" is a success in Pennsylvania.

Not to defend insurance companies, but if you ever find a way to make a business survive besides taking in more money than it spends by all means LET ME BE THE FIRST TO KNOW.

BTW I didn't vote today cause I'm registered republican and I'm not surprised by the results.

Yep, I'm voting McCain over Hillary any day, don't trust her.

That's why we should not have businesses in charge of our health, they will prioritize their profit over one's health.

It's even worse with government providing your healthcare. There is only a limited amount of money budgeted and the care has to be rationed.

Hey kid.... This thread is about the election. There are other threads about socialized healthcare. Do a search and bring one of them back if you want to talk about that.

This thread is about the election and the candidates.

ditto

Muslim terrorists working for Obama

Hatem El-Hady is a Muslim who used to run a now closed down Islamic charity called "Kindhearts" from Toledo, Ohio. In 2006 the feds shut down the charity for fundraising for terrorists.

What is Hatem El-Hady doing now? He's fundraising for Barack Hussein Obama.

He has a profile on Obama's official campaign site.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGN9pM

Notice who is listed as one of his "friends"? ..... Yes, the angry hate America bitch.... Michelle Obama.

Please cite sources.

Do you realize...
1. Anyone can make an account as anyone, hell, someone is up as a dog. It's not as if they even know about it.
2. Michelle Obama is up 224 friends on there, do you really thing she goes on that site? Most likely it's automated.
3. Fund Raising? You know that's just from people who click on that "Donate" button. And he only got $60!

Really, you're twisting reality galore and inserting your conspiracy theories. You've been doing it this entire thread.

The sad thing is that people believe sensationalists, and vote accordingly.

That is why so many people believe that Obama is a Muslim, even though he's more active in the church than any of the other candidate.

Here's something I never thought I'd catch myself saying/writing/thinking, you get the idea... Go Hillary!!!

My thorough joy of reading Clinton tops Obama in PA on the front page of my newspaper has been short lived though. According to the paper, NC is heavily favoring Obama...

Yes, Obama's hate-America bitch of a wife goes on the site.

The only way this Muslim terrorist could be one of her "friends" on the site is if Michelle Obama agreed to it from her end. He couldn't have just done it himself.

Quote:

That is why so many people believe that Obama is a Muslim, even though he's more active in the church than any of the other candidate.

He is active in a racist hate whitey - hate America church.

"God Damn America"

Anything else you want to discuss or defend regarding your Obamessiah?

Clinton was never expected to get North Carolina.

She will be winning the bulk of the future primaries. Obama will get Guam and a couple in there.

The leftist cult of Obama is shitting in their pants right now. They have been arguing that the superdelegates should give the nomination to the will of the people. Well... Clinton is close to having the majority of the popular vote. With Florida included she may even be ahead of Obama on that angle.

If the Dems had winner-take-all primaries like the Repubs, Hillary would already have the nomination clinched.

Look at the demographics of the voters. Look at the states that Obama cannot carry as far as electoral votes.

The Democrats are getting pretty scared about now. It's looking like a loss in November. If McCain can keep from being an asshole, he will be the next president and the Dems know it.

Now for something completely different.....

Let's hear what some of the people on the far left radical website Daily Kos are saying...

Basically some are saying if the Dems don't give the nomination to Obama... blacks are going to go crazy..

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/23/03357/5368/85/501298



I'm not sure if many people are also aware of what some radical leftists are planning for the Democratic Convention this year in Denver. Basically... in a nutshell... if Obama is not given the nomination, there will be riots in Denver.

Thousands of radicals will be descending on Denver this summer for the convention.... and yes, they are socialists. Notice the logo...

http://www.recreate68.org/



Trouble in Denver will also definitely loose the Democrats another few million votes in November.

Theories include
1. Bush will suitcase nuke the Pepsi Center to cause chaos to justify him being named President for Life. (BTW the Pepsi Center is non-union. That's causing quite a stir among the Dem's union base.)
2. Denver cops to call in all Colorado Rednecks to the August hippie shoot.
3. The old hippies here for the nude-in will be disappointed when the planned nude spelling of PEACE is illegible due to sagging body parts.
4. Local doofus causes race war by misspelling NaGGERS on Wheel of Fortune.
5. Governor Ritter will declare all protesters illegal aliens and grant them sanctuary. Or at least reduce all convictions resulting from protest to agricultural trespass.

And panel if Recreate '68 does any of those things we'll be asking you about it next week on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me! (In best Carl Kasell voice)

BTW NY Madman Recreate 68 is already up in arms over their losing prime real estate in a protesters placement lottery.
They say they will occupy the space anyway.
Should be fun for all.

Unfortunately, this is completely true. I would be surprised if he doesn't win.