Anybody know which bumper this is? and perhaps how much it weighs?

http://www.pnwx.net/index.php?id=15

looks like calmini.

Yep. It is a 1st gen. Calmimi bumper. About 100+ lbs.

The best bumper available right now by consensus and from a utility perspective seems to be the Shrockworks. It has about the same total weight, but uses thicker metal plate, and thicker walled tubing.

It has the best approach angle, and doesn't intefere with larger tires, is easy to raise with a BL, and covers only what it needs to, saving weight, etc.

It hides the winch from prying eyes/protects it, and can fit any of the X appropriate winches. A few people want the winch completely exposed though...and the Shrock unit is not for them.

www.shrockworks.com

sweet, if i was looking for one of those.............

Damn, dude. You need to go sell used cars or something.

That is absolutely 100% UNTRUE.

All of the bumpers have different things that are good about them. Everything is going to be some kind of compromise.

Jim doesn't march around here telling people that his product is "the only game in town", so why do you???

I've seen all of these bumpers in person and they each have advantages. I went with the TJM after researching.

I think that a lot of this has to do with preferences. It also has to do with what look a person is going for and what their budget is.

Some pictures:

TJM:


Shrock:


Calmini:


ARB:


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Everybody should buy what they like, but mine rules!

Jeff - you are right.

I should add that if you have aesthetic preferences or monetary constraints, there are alternatives.



I did throw you a bone on the concealed vs exposed winch thing.

Jeff have the wings or the part of bumper that goes on side of car really solid, or move, become loose. Bc i have heard the tjm 17 isn't solid, as in one peice.

Is it me or does Jeff's X look like it is smiling?

The buyer has options for about 100 reasons.

Had I been ready to upgrade my front suspension, I would have bought the Calmini, despite the fact that it was most expensive to my door. I needed a bumper that was lighter until I SAS.

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Hiding the winch is not an advantage, TJ. It makes it more of a pain in the a$$ to get in there if you havta check something. An integrated solenoid winch in the Calmini with a winch cover is probably the most convenient setup out there. It is no less secure than the "hidden" setup.

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Stop presenting your opinion as fact, man. All of these bumpers have different advantages, whether you choose to believe it or not. People should buy what they like, not what TJ told 'em to.

Jeff, you do realize one thing. TJ is at least giving reasons why he likes the Shrock.

Yes - buy what Jeff says instead.



Jeff - I said what the advantages were, I didn't just make blanket statements w/o at least some back up....and I mentioned issues that would preclude my favorite from other's preferences as well.

In other related posts, I've repeatedly said everyone loves their own choice.



Sure, some people buy vanilla, some pistachio and some chocolate...and that's ok.

Some people buy a 2wd SUV....and that's ok, but, I think its a mistake, I mention why, and move on...because what's important to me is not always what's important to them.

Just like your bumper...to me, approach angle and the thickness of the metal, and the concealment of the winch are pluses, for you, not so much, and you chose what is right for you.

You spent a lot of posts expounding the Calmini bumper's advantages, and then bought a TJM instead. Why? Because it made sense for you.

We are all free to choose what is right for us, and, because this is the good 'ol US of A, we can also state why we think one thing is better or worse than another...which you and I do quite a bit of.



And, we are all free to make up our own minds as to the validity of each product's claims and specs, other's opinions, etc.

If I had a cart here, and I was selling these things, sure, I'd look askance at anything I said too, as it would be likely to be biased.

But I'm just another X'r, and over the years I've had product experiences with Calmini, SLR, Shrock, Skid-Row, ARB, JKS, TJM, etc....and I've formed opinions of them.

I express them.

You do what makes sense for you, and if you think I'm BS-ing you, you filter out what I say, as you would anything you think doesn't jive, and move on.

I'm sure other's don't need me to warn them that you are going to go on and on about the calmini like its gods answer to X's, and then buy a TJM, they can take all of what you said the first time, and filter it as appropriate, based upon what's important to THEM.

I go on about Shrock. I do. I love the stuff.

When people ask for opinions, hey, I have one.

I really like a few other product lines as well, but for X's, there's only so many vendors.

When I start sporting bill board stickers on my truck (I have no ad stickers or decals), and I get sponsored, etc...then you can look funny at me and ask if I only use a particualr part because I get paid to say so.

As it is now, I can just be wrong if you like, but never dishonest.



So - anyway, I've got this cream puff only driven by Mother Theresa to church on Sundays, she had to let it go, for you, I'll make a special deal....you got cash?

Somehow I imagined TJ much better looking and younger!

Please stop fantasizing about what I look like...its creepy.



Oh, and fpldm3 - yes, the wings on the TJM are not part of the bumper, and do get knocked off sometimes, etc. (For some people, of course, that's yet another plus, ease of recycling...)



I think the TJM is the only one where the wings bolt on...I remember Brent's mishap where he hit the wing og his TJM with his tire, and the tire ripped the wing off the bumper, as the tire clearance is a bit tight (32's ripped it off)....people with ARB's have to cut off part of their wings to avoid hitting the tires too, but, the ARB wing metal is only 10 gauge, so it cuts easily.

The Calmini hits tires on the pre-'05's, haven't seen an '05+ with one yet, but they can also be cut off enough to clear, etc....but its 3/16" instead of ARB's 10 gauge.

ROFLMAO....Oh shit, I walked into that one, didn't I!

Get your story straight. The wings never came off. Brent's mishap woulda bent any "hoopless" bumper. He was also running wider offset wheels which exacerbated the clearance problems.

Regardless, the TJM's design has changed a little since then. My wings don't go all the way back to my wheelwell. There is plenty of clearance for bigger tires. As a matter of fact, the TJM can clear the BIGGEST tires due to the removeable wings.

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The bottom line is that there are advantages to every bumper out there. You're just too close-minded to be able to comprehend that anybody would run a bumper, tire or skid plate other than the ones you have.

How boring would this place be if people only ran the one you say is the best?


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I have looked closely at every brand and they ALL have advantages. It's just too bad that you haven't done enuff homework to know that.

It was Brent's drivers side wing, and it got knocked off, there's pics. The fact that one part was left hanging like a rag doll doesn't change the meaning of what's been said.

The problem for ALL the bumpers, except the Shrock, is the distance between the tire and the bumper...and I have bigger tires than Brent, and mine clear my bumper with room to spare...because the way the wings sweep back on the TJM, ARB and Calmini brings them closer to the tires than the Shrock does.

Yes, the ARB and Calmini have tire clearance issues as well, but the wings don't get knocked off, because the wings are an integral part of the bumper.

So not ANY bumper gets the wing broken off, JUST the TJM...others, except the shrock, might hit, but the wings are a part of the bumper.

And, if I were to mount something like 38's, I'm sure at some point even the Shrock would hit it...but up to 35's seems perfectly fine...the others have trouble with 32's, etc.

In an impact from a front corner, say a lay over or errent traffic, etc...the TJM offers little protection at the wings, they are esssentially cosmetic bolt on's in that circumstance.

The Shrocks, and I imagine the Calmini's, would take the hit, and protect the corner...the ARB has really thin metal, and would probably crumple or bend, but not fall off.

So - you can try to convince me that you made the right choice, or yourself, it doesn't matter, as long as you like it, and accept that it is not perfect, just perfect for you, and accept its short comings gracefully, as a part of accepting it for what is is, the perfect bumper for Jeff.



The TJM was perfect for you Jeff, we all see that.



You are a serious wheeler, you do your homework...you make your opinions known...we just don't always agree with you...just like you don't always agree with us.

Thats why there is more than one vendor for each mod, and they are all making a living...nothing works for everyone....and everything works for someone.



I'm not trying to convince you to sell the TJM and buy a Shrock, I'm explaining why I like the Shrock better, and clarifying the items that had remaining confusion.

Please, keep the faith, don't let me or the result of MY homework sway the result of YOUR homework...let's keep our eyes on our own papers.



I heard that Woody Allen was caught cheating on a Metaphysics test, he looked into the soul of the boy next to him...

Dude.....

Why must you write a book for every post?

Why do you refer to YOUR opinion as the "consensus"?

Why do you tell me I'm disagreeing with "us", as if you are representing the entire community? (or are you hearing voices again? )

Your presentation of your opinion as fact is ludicrous. I can name advantages of EVERY brand of bumper over yours. Likewise, I can name advantages of the Shrock over other brands.

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WHO CARES?

Buy what fits your needs:

And?

Shal we not forget the JeffW bumper too.

You have illustrated your book....lots of pretty X's with bumpers.



I say "we" when I have a lot of e-mails and PMs, etc....that ask why I bother to banter with you, and I reply its because it presents both sides of the issue, and that you are entitled to your opinion, and the opportunity to present it.

So, yes, in effect, I AM hearing voices....I'm just being nicer than they tell me to be.



I do try to avoid insulting you, I don't think that would be right, and I don't think you deserve it...and, when you call me names/insult me, in frustration, anger, or why ever you keep doing it, I let it roll off, as you are young and still quite emotional about these things, or maybe its how you interact with people as a pattern at this stage in your life...and in time, I sense that you too will be able to allow conflicting ideas to coexist without stress.

And some day,...a young whipper snapper will pester you to agree with HIS choices, etc....but, this time, it won't bother you, it will be like playing with a kitten, as it very seriously play fights your hand.

I'm OK with you having a dissenting opinion. Keeps things interesting, and provides a forum for these issues otherwise left alone.



I have some other stuff to attend to, a freind's daughter needs a liver, my youngest is in the middle of applying, at the last second, to graduate school, I'm supposed to go and load up and re-locate a bunch of boxes 25 miles away, etc.



I think we've each made our points, you always like to have the last word, it always makes you post more happily, and that's a nice fuzzy thing to encourage and cultivate.



So - I'll leave you to continue the book if you think we missed something. I trust you to keep it real, as always.

Another book, I see. :applause:

As usual, you've missed plenty. Your oversimplified view on the matter has stated, b@lls out, that the Shrock is the only one worth buying.

I disagree, but won't waste my time trying to add information to this worthless thread full of your opinion. I will always answer questions honestly, presenting my opinion as opinion and facts as facts.

Like I keep repeating (and you have yet to refute), every brand has their good points. It's unfortunate that your not openminded enough to explore the advantages of all brands.

OK, I haven't met or wheeled with either one of you but reading this thread invoked an opinion. TJ, you wrote: "The best bumper available right now by consensus and from a utility perspective seems to be the Shrockworks." I read that and thought, "wow, there's a consensus on bumpers, finally? where did he do his research? What does this bumper look like?" I actually went to your website.

Then I read the rest of the thread and discovered you were schlepping your own product, then you hid behind a "I always said people should get what's good for them" post with lots of smiley faces in it.

Bad form.

Sorry, it soured me on Shrockworks "permanently." Maybe everyone in this thread or forum knows you guys and "got the joke" early, but it sure seemed like a sleazy ad and you're lucky it didn't get plucked and shipped off to the admin forum.

Amen.

My point exactly.

You don't need to hold back with me, so save it. Your condescending posts in conjunction with seemingly innocuous smilies are what's insulting. Not just to me, but to the entire community.

TJ, I hope all goes well with your friend's daughter! Sorry to hear the bad news!

Shlepping My Own Product?

I have one, but,.... I don't make them or sell them...I get nothing from someone buying one...and I assume Jeff gets nothing from TJM....

Not sure where the idea came from that I work for Shrockworks....I don't if you need confirmation...I absolutely do NOT work for Shrockworks.

I'm a fan of their stuff, and think Jim Shrocks a good guy and all, but I have no idea where the "my own product" thing came from?

Jeff and I go at this all the time, its kind of a game...its not like hypnosis, where he and I bring unwitting souls to TJM or Shrockworks or whatever.

Jeff picks a product to champion as an alternative to one I suggest, and we go back and forth. Its healthy, and allows a good discussion on the merits of each product.

Ironically, my initial post says its not for everyone.

We just disagree on the results of our respective research...I see a solid wing as an advantage, he see's a removable wing as an advantage, I see concealing the winch from theft as an advantage, he see's more access to the winch face as an advantage...and so forth, I see thicker metal as an advantage, he sees delivered price as outweighing that, etc...we are both right, for us, and I believe I said things to this effect quite a few times.

Yeah, I use smilies...I smile a lot in real life, and its an expression...I'm me online and off.

I also never said anything untrue in the comparisons between the bumpers...and I meant what I said about Jeff, I rushed the composition a bit, and if it came out giving the wrong impression, I'm sorry, I do think he's a good guy, and just hates quitting an argument before the other side concedes...and I used to be like that, but its not a big deal anymore....

The consensus concept is based solely upon my own impression of what I see and hear, and I said it SEEMS to be the best, because I believe it seems that way, to me....and most people I have contact with believe the same thing....hence its seeming to be the best in a consensus....so if most people I wheel with think it, thats a consensus.

Presenting as facts is a strange phrase, I said seems to be, etc...not "Based upon the latest statistical analysis certified by an independant accounting firm of..." etc.?

I will be the first to reiterate something can be generally the best, but not the best for everyone...just like an X, its not the best truck for every one, etc....but the consensus here is that is the best for us...but we have daily posts from people who are fed up with SOMETHING about the X, mpg, power, whatever...so, its not the best for everybody.

I also believe from a utility point of view its the best as well, AND completely agree that its subjective, and what's important to me, like approach angle, may be outweighed by not being able to remove the wings for someone else....and I mentioned that that's why they make all those different brands...there's something for every one....which is decidedly NOT the same as NOT giving any other option credit...

We are talking about bumpers ferchrissakes, not how to elect the next pope or acheive world peace...I would have thought we could banter about the topic w/o getting hot under the collar/political/religeous about which is the best bumper.



So - Saying one type of bumper is better, and insulting anyone who disagrees is OK...but posting a smily or twelve and itemizing the differences insults the entire Xterra community?

I think I give a lot to the community. I take the time to help the newbies out with questions that others yell at them for asking, because they don't know its a problem yet....and I feel bad for them.

I can't believe anyone would look at the body of my posts here, or on similar boards, and decide I don't give, and that I'm an insult to the community.

And to give me a TROLL rating? ME? Come on...I'm the anti-troll.



You might want to re-read what ever gave you the wrong impression....and re-calibrate your opinion (Not about what bumper, that's not the important part...), about who I am.



PS - I just noticed the winky thing after the insult thing....see what happens when I'm rushing around? Sheesh.

:rolleyes:

(The Shlepping thing remains the prime issue.)

Thanks....her liver score jumped into the 40's...anything over 28 put her number 1 to get the next liver, and the scale stops at 50...but there just aren't any livers....she's in ICU, her kidneys shut down and she had to go onto dialysis...she just came out...but its still touch and go....we are so afraid she's going to die.



Her sister voluteered 60% of her liver for a live transplant (It can regenerate with time...), but she would not let her risk it, she'd rather die than subject her sister to the risks of the rather involved and painful surgery...but the sister would rather go through it than let her die....its just agonizing.

My wife and I are bouncing back and forth doing consoling, and feeding people, etc...and in between, I had to move a ton of boxes, help my youngest finish his application to a graduate school that has to go out in tomorrow's mail with a few hundred pages of attachments....



Its been like this all week....starting to get bad the friday before xmas when she went into the hospital in a health nose dive (Wilson's Disease, liver gives out...), and getting prgressively worse as the donor's are not appearing, and the liver functions dropped more and more.


Its been hell.

Oh, Artera....I bet this went a bit off from here you thought it would.

Hope its been illuminating.

Yea, Where did that come from??? WTF???

WTF???? How does that work??? For giving your opinion???

Man, that was just weird!

Sorry, my bad for the confusion about TJ working for Shrock. Sure looked like it from his post. Obviously the post didn't get yanked because you do NOT work there. However...

TJ, you said, "I also never said anything untrue in the comparisons between the bumpers..." I call Shenanigans. You specifically stated that "The consensus is..." That indicates a collective opinion, NOT your own. Did you post a poll? How can you make that statement? Where did you get your data?

You also say, "A few people want the winch completely exposed though.." What's "a few?" 3? 130? everyone except for you? What does that mean? Its pointed and shady and wrong. Tell people that YOU prefer to have the winch hidden. That's truth. Other people don't need you to make that decision for them. Do you know for a fact that the majority of wheelers out there prefer a hidden and unaccessible winch to an exposed one?

The bottom line is/was, I felt "deceived" by your initial post after I found out who you "really were." Just be careful how you say things.

Also, if anyone cares to post Brent's latest misadventure... I (for one) would certainly love the read!

Holy Crap!

Another book.

I did not buy the TJM based on price. I could have bought the Calmini and paid $300 to ship it had I wanted to.

I bought the TJM for two reasons: weight and the uber-solid frame connection. Anybody who's seen how the TJM connects to the frame knows it has well engineered bractetry. This put less stress on the frame horns. To me this, this is more important than the thicker metal.

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I have never pushed the TJM on anybody. I have only presented it as an option.

That's a far cry from trying to shove a product down people's throats by writing books on how they will be going against this fabled "consensus" if they buy an alternative product.

Sorry, man but that's just lame.

Jeff - You are putting things in a light that does not exist, and then reacting as if it did.

I'm thinking, wow, what the hell did I say?

I read it, and I do not think I said what you say I said.

I gave my opinion, as opinion, and I gave some itemized differences between the products...

You insisted I was not recognizing the advantages of other products, and I'd reiterate why you thought it, and how that wasn't the case....even pointing out your points as our difference in opinion.

You are coming to the odd conclusion that I somehow say some specifics about products, and that somehow no one is allowed to disagree?

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I NEVER said no one could disagree....that was added by you as if it were a fact....but it never came from me.

I see where several times I mentioned the TJM advantages, and ARB, and Calmini's...and the Shrock's disavantages...and I see no where you touting the Shrock's advantages.

I see myself taking the time I don't have to spare to try to address all of your concerns, and you saying "Book", and attacking the format of the responses rather than the content.

:rolleyes:

long != wrong

Book != Not true

If I say the metal on the ARB's wing is thin, the Shrock's is thick, and the TJM's bolted on, I am well within the realm of discussion, and I am well within reason for saying it...you are making blanket declarations attacking the messenger because you don't like the message.

I ain't doin what you're saying I'm doin.

On the re-read, if any one is making statements w/o accompaning calm itemization of pluses and minuses, its you.

Saying it exists, then calling that lame, doesn't make it real.

Am I insane?

Anyone else think I've said that no one is allowed to discuss their opinion?



Anyone at ALL believe I AM Shrock or whatever?

I felt deceived, too.

To further deceive, he denies being misleading even after he's been quoted.

He has presented HIS own opinion as "the consensus" and made unfounded blanket statements.

Sorry, but bullsh1t is bullsh1t.

Can somebody kill this retarded thread?

An arguement over bumpers? nice..........

OK, here is MHO!

First off, TJ shouldn’t have said consensus because there probably isn’t one. But hell, everyone does it. You talk with your peeps you wheel with, chat with, or friends you hang with and you all agree on something so you claim there is a consensus. Hell, if I can agree with the voices in my head I think there is a consensus! So he was stating his opinion about a consensus. I think he clarified and conceded that later. But you win there Jeff.

Secondly, I think he was stating his opinion about the best bumper period for wheeling. Not based on what you can afford, what you think looks best, or cost to ship or anything else! It’s a good debate. What is the best bumper for hitting the trails period? I like the debate. It’s like arguing what the best off road vehicle is. Not based on what you can afford, not looks, not where you can buy it, or anything else.

So given that, what bumper would you put on your vehicle for wheeling if you could have anyone? Let’s hear it. I think it’s a great debate!

Don’t make me pull out the BCS (Bumper Championship Series) poll!

TJ,

Perhaps there isn't a "consensus" as to which bumper is best. Consensus implies a unanimous decision made by all of us as a whole.

However, I believe that MOST of us agree with you. You know it, I know it, and Jeff knows it (though I doubt he will ever be willing to admit it, even to himself).

Thanks for all your informative posts. I respect your VERY informed opinions and always look forward to your posts.

Keep up the good work!

EDIT...BTW, If anyone was still wondering, my vote is for Shrock. It's the toughest, best looking (IMHO), and hides the winch (a good thing if you ever park in a place where someone might be tempted to take it). The extra $$$ is worth it!

Strangely - a consensus doesn't have to be unanimous, merely an overall agreement.

The consensus in the USA was that Bush should be reelected.

I know a few people who disagreed, but a consensus was reached, and, Bush was reelected.



So, if generally, I see that most people are going to vote for Bush, and, I'm asked who I think will win, I'll say the consensus seems to be that bush will win.

If that's wrong, then I'm misinformed as to what a consensus is. I could look it up I suppose...But the entire thrust of the argument has come down to me saying that the consensus seems to be that a partuclar bumper, as opposed to a president, is best.

:rolleyes:

I guess I should look it up.

OK - Looked up consensus.

It means what I thought it did, a generally held belief, etc.

It doesn't have to mean, or even normally mean, a voted issue, it could be a generally held impression, such as, this seems to be better than that, etc.

So - there's no substance to any of the objections, things that were not said were attributed to me, and then reacted to....

Everything I said that didn't fit into the false claims was ignored as if i didn't say it...and then the false clams were defended, and my protests of their falseness are called "Denial", etc.

As you are not an idiot, I am going to assume that you know all of this, and have taken advantage of my rising to the bait during my week of Hell.

OK, you got me, I took the bait, and argued over nothing. You have mentioned in the past that you love to do that....and you did it again.

Happy new year.

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Damn you're a talker. None of this bullsh1t is necessary, though.

It doesn't matter what you think the word consensus means.

None of this changes the fact that you have made claims that were unfounded, presented your own opinion as fact or consensus and generally tried to make the advantages of the non-Shrock bumpers sound superficial and insignificant.

That's deceptive and manipulative.

I've always liked Jim's products and have never said anything negative about them. But your "used car salesman" tactics are actually harming your beloved Shrockworks.

The difference between you and every other poster in this thread is that none of them are megalomaniacal enough to present their opinion as the consensus of the entire community. I have respect for all opinions presented. I will not, however, accept one person's (or even several people's) opinion as a consensus in a community of thousands.

What you have attempted to do is just plain dishonest.

Unfortunately, it was probably slick enough for most folks to buy into.

Adrian:

While I've already listed my reasons for buying the TJM, I can certainly respect your opinion that the Shrock is the best one. What I can respect even more is the fact that you have presented your opinion as your opinion instead of trying to "railroad" people into agreeing with some "consensus".

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P.S.: Hiding the winch is not an advantage. It is no more difficult for a potential thief to notice it or steal it. Loctite is your friend in this case. I'll take a cradle-type with a winch cover anyday, but my suspension wasn't ready for the Calmini.

Greetings,
"PNUTMNM" hard to believe you registered in October 17, 2000 (with MODERATOR status)and have no idea about TJ. If you are so soured on Shrock from someones post then your reasoning skills need some developement.

"JeffW" Once again you have managed to demonstrate your emotions get in the way of your reasoning. One word YOUTH!

I have posted on numerous occasions and have had some of the more youthful members here post non sequitar replies. When confronted as to the appropriateness of the reply I have been invited to leave the forum (by a MODERATOR no less). I know how to play with the big boys as I'm sure we all do. Take all my trucks... I'll still post to get and give information. Youth will eventually give way to age and reserve.. But it's not a guarantee.

They are just trucks. Get over it. Men are fighting in a war over seas and some argue about goddamn bumpers. Go Figure.

So saying that there are multiple good options ISN"T reasoning? Blindly following TJ's propaganda is?

Hmmmm. OK.

One word: Senility!

[sarcasm]

My calmini bumper can kick your tjm/shrock bumpers asses!!!!

[/sarcasm]

Jeff,

You say there can be no consensus....and that I'm dishonest for saying I felt there was.

You say I didn't discuss the pluses and minuses, but I did.

You say I said the only option was Shrock, and I didn't, again, before you even joined in, my initial statement was to the effect that it wasn't for every one, and mentioned the hidden winch issue.

In short, you say I did things I didn't do, and then go off on tangents ignoring the actual content of the posts.

Saying over and over that I can't feel that there's a consensus is a bit looney to start with.



Gotta go, we might have a liver!

Ok, I just read all this crap and I have to tell you that the only relevant posts in this whole thread are the first three. I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but the original poster simply wanted to know what kind of bumper was on the X in the link provided and I think the first three posts covered that quite nicely.

The only problem I see, (and for the record, this is just the way I see and understood it) is that Arterra requested an identification of a bumper with mild implication that he wanted it and TJ chimed in with an unsolicited opinion saying "the best bumper available right now by consensus is" like he was trying to convince him to get a Shrock instead.

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing you TJ, but you did hijack this thread...

Some of you are obviously biased about the brand of products you own (and rightfully so), but does that matter? NO... Especially when you read someone else's posts and have enough sense about you to see that...

Can you guys do us all a favor: present your opinions (when requested) based on your own experiences without bias or prejudice so we can avoid all this crap...

you've got to remember that you should never put too much stock in internet communication... In the end it's just a bunch of 1's and 0's...

...and btw, I've only been registered for a little over a week and I could have told you TJ doesn't work for Shrock...

TexasX, you sir are 100% correct! I was just thinking that I hoped that Arterra wasn't scared off!

Does anyone have the pre-runner style bumper on their X?. I have seen them on Fronty's, and I like them (personal preference).
Something along the lines of the following was fabbed up by Daystar.

Most offroad shops can fab up something like that for 400-700 dollars depending on the options and such you want. They just need to have a tube bender.

Bikedestroy got his custom made

Texas - you are right.



And the damn liver was diseased, so we're still waiting.



And yes, we might have scared the poor original poster off.

TJ, truly I'm sorry to hear about the liver. I take those things to heart. She's in my thoughts and I hope all turns out well.

Hey thanks man.

We are going nuts here...she can't last much longer like this, and there are a lot of family members in agony. Laurie (The girl needing the liver) refuses her sister's offer for 60% of her's, but that seems to be the last hope so far.

OK Here is an ARB opinion.

High Lights

- Little Lighter
- Hoops are sturdy
- Wings are sturdy
- Mounts 3 bolts per side
- Hidden winch, plus or minus depending on your opinion
- D-Ring plates
- Brackets for CB
- Brackets for Lights

Low Lights

- D rings brackets are not meant for heavy duty recovery, but you should be using the frame
- Needs to be modified for body lift
- Tire rub under severe compression this happened after coming off a 12" lip at 30+mph, so it is pretty hard to do unless you suspension is worn/sagged out.

Testimonials

- I have hit a deer with mine no damage to the corner pieces
- I have been backed into by SOMEONE (no names mentioned) going at least 15mph, no damage
- I have hit a rock wall really hard after bending my steering going around a rock climb. Hit the bumper hard on the corner, no damage

That's impossible! The consensus is......



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Just kidding, Kevins bumper is suweeeet!

Kevin, I assume when you were backed into the air bags did not go off. I wonder if those of us with ARB or other bumpers should worry about this?

I am guessing that with stock bumper... they would go off????

Sorry about the post hijack

The bags deploy on rapid decelleration that the sensors program tells them that the occupant will be thrown foward/at the dash, etc...hard enough to suffer serious or fatal injury.

An impact can be hard, but the truck not decelerated sufficiently, and the bags remain undeployed.

I've never sen an X's deploy, but I've seen plenty of others go off.

It takes a pretty good shot...I have seen some go off offroad, like coming down nose first off ledges, perhaps a 4'-6' drop, on Jeeps who forgot to pull the bag fuse before heading out, etc.

A free falling jeep, at 32' per sec2, for 6', would be going less than 22 mph...as it takes a second of fall to get to that speed...but the rocks below are not likley to cushion anything.



I would have thought a 15 mph impact would be enough, as I got 3/4 head on'd in a company car by a late for work nut job...I was going maybe 10 mph, the other car was going maybe 10 mph turning across oncoming traffic into my bumper to get into a bank entrance, that had I not been there, was already bocked by a camaro, which she also rammed...

:rolleyes:

So my bag went off, cracked one rib. Hers didn't, the camaro's did.



So it seems to be a crap shoot as to if they go off...but, in looking at the respective damage to each car, the deployments seemed to match the absorbed forces.

The sensors are based off of shock and deceleration from what I have read.

It was an awkward situation... but I had just come off a big rock so when he hit I didnt budge any... it did push the back bumper into the rock. And it was a sandy area.

Also he may not have been going 15 but it sure looked like it from my point of view!!!!!!!