Originally posted by BlueSky:
Those who support America torturing people have obviously either forgotten or abandoned the principles that made this country great. Waterboarding is the kind of thing North Korea does, and the former Soviet Union, and the Japanese and Germans during World War II. Apparently we prosecuted war criminals after World War II for waterboarding people so at some point the United States considered it a crime. That's who you want to line yourself up with?
The Norks, Japs and Nazi's did far more than waterboarding. Who are you trying to kid here?
Who have we prosecuted for waterboarding? Post links to the cases and/or transcripts. Don't post links to some leftist propaganda blog where you may have read that.
What principles are we abandoning? We are abandoning no principles. In the past we executed enemy combatants. We also didn't do insane things like grant them the right of habeas corpus in our civilian courts.
People who make the claim that this country is abandoning principles in our dealings with the worst of terrorists, have no concept of how similar type people were dealt with in the past.
All these arguments being presented, largely by the political left, are really nothing more than being tantamount to taking up the cause of these people.
For those of you who support it, let me ask you a question: at what point do the interrogators decide that their current subject has no useful information? Wouldn't they pretty much have to render the person dead or damaged for life to be sure they weren't just holding out?
The same people who argue that waterboarding is torture, are largely the same people who think putting women's panties on some prisoners head is also torture.
What astounds me the most is that you trust the government - which proves itself incompetent at best and corrupt at worst on a regular basis - to decide who needs to be tortured. Could you be any more naive?
If you're so convinced waterboarding isn't torture, how about we convene the first XOC Waterboarding Demo. All you brave keyboard commandos can step up, let yourself be strapped down, and show us all how tough you are and how waterboarding "does no permanent damage and stopping provides immediate relief." Afterwards, if you can still speak coherent sentences, you can tell us all if having it done to you has changed your definition.
If you want some video demos, there tons of videos on YouTube of people waterboarding each other at numerous left wing protests.
But then again, few of them spoke coherent sentences prior to being waterboarded, so it is hard to tell if they sustained any permanent damage.
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