Quote:
Originally posted by Chris Ritchey:
BTW the "truth" is always infallible, it's always black and white, truth is not an opinion or what you might think or perceive, truth is pretty much absolute. So do try to separate opinions from truth, if you can't then yes you are disillusioned...
I totally agree. SCCX's actions do not match your words though Chris Ritchey!

April 2005 Xtoolbox committed the following violation:

Item A: Federal Violation. Xtoolbox lead a Xcursion without applying for or obtaining the required Special Use Permit from the NPS(National Park Service) and paying the $50 fee. Xtoolbox knows that a Special Use Permit has been required since 2001 but ignored the requirement. If you have 7 or more vehicles you need a Special Use Permit!

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Originally posted by Xtoolbox:
:rolleyes:
Just to get the facts straight

A) No special permit required because the group was small enough
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A)Proof that he was not telling the "truth"... it is a simple black and white issue like you said Chris Ritchey! Of course I expect SCCXcuses for this simple black and white issue. It is the SCCX misguided "all for one" mantra. You are who you protect. You think you are protecting the "Club". You are protecting ONE persons lies... with excuses. This makes the "all for one" mean... you are just as guilty as he is!



1...2...3...4...5...6...7 vehicles.
Four days before the run Xtoolbox was planning on up to 16 vehicles. If you have 7 or more vehicles you need a Special Use Permit! It takes around a month to get the permit processed, approved and signed. Even with 9 vehicles not showing up Xtoolbox still had enough to require a permit.

"... run is Saturday 4/16 and limited to the first sixteen people that sign-up for a number of reasons. If it comes down to a numbers crunch that existing members get priority... So far we still have room for at least 6 more trucks."-Xtoolbox

SCCX Source were Xtoolbox said there was room for 16 is HERE.

If you have 7 or more vehicles you need a Special Use Permit!

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Below Xtoolbox said 4 days before the run that he has room for 17 vehicles!

Xtoolbox Posted: Tue 12th Apr 6:19 pm
Weather is looking real nice for the weekend, the wildflowers are blooming, the conditions look to be ideal, promises to another great one laugh

Please re-confirm if you’re planning on still going if you haven’t done so recently and where you will meet the group There are still 6 spots open so add to list if you want to go or remove your name from the list that I know of

The meet spots will be the following:

4/16- General Xvoy Meet: 6:45am @ the Chevron Gas Station. From the I-15 N exit Foothill Blvd/CA-66 turn right and look for the Chevron past In-N-out.
12659 Foothill Blvd, Etiwanda, CA 91739

4//16 - General run Meet: 9am @ the Afton Canyon Camp ground From the I-15 N between Barstow and Baker exit Afton Canyon Rd and head east on the dirt access road to the campground.

Please remember to fill-up at the last gas [Yermo/Calico] before Afton or bring gas cans.

I’m planning on camping overnight Saturday and will pick a spot depending how far we get.

1. Brian, Kristina, Michael
2. Jason [Xterrer]
3. Arthur Kneisel
4. Scottjk
5. Jason [00X]
6. Danna [Angelwolf326]
7. Marshann [xterrah]
8. Ivana [usarock69]
9. Andy [DueNorth]
10. Scott [Kampy1971]
11. Jacob [KF]
12.

Brian
FRS Channel 4 Subcode 24
Cell # 310.618.4819
SCCX Source for above is HERE.

If you have 7 or more vehicles you need a Special Use Permit!

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"We’re still planning on going; while the group maybe downsized a bit we should still have a decent sized group of around a dozen of so, come out, have a great time..." Xtoolbox the day before the trip(Posted: Fri 15th Apr 6:43 am)
SCCX Source for above is HERE.

If you have 7 or more vehicles you need a Special Use Permit!

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Recreation Permit

Fees
$50

Details
A Recreation Permit is required for all groups of at least 7 vehicles or 15 participants for common recreational activities (rock climbing, hunting, fishing or trapping, equestrian use, bicycling, street-legal motorcycle or all-terrain vehicle use, backcountry use and roadside vehicle camping) and large group gatherings (weddings, ceremonies/gatherings, large camp rendezvous). Proof of insurance and posting of a bond may also be required. For more information, call (760) 252-6107 or email MOJA_SUP@nps.gov.

NPS source for above is HERE.

If you have 7 or more vehicles you need a Special Use Permit!

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Well Chris Ritchey, WolfmanX, Loop Chock, krisjon, xterrah, VG33POWER, Shahram, Frank B, AV Xterra, mitch1351, billyburger... hit me with your best SCCXcuses for a "black and white" issue of the above "truth"!

Here is a typical SCCXcuse:
Quote:
Originally posted by xterrah:
Cary - It doesn't seem right our having to respond to your accusations, which in turn only makes you look bad. But maybe you are really enjoying this?
If you have 7 or more vehicles you need a Special Use Permit!

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Here is my favorite broad reaching BOD Member SCCXcuse:

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Originally posted by WolfmanX:
I don't think SCCX has hidden anything. If you can prove otherwise, be my guest.

It's up to the Board of Directors to decide what does and does not warrant a ban, based on the club by-laws, and there isn't much more to be said about that. The general membership voted the BOD in and can vote them out if they don't like how the club is being run.

Cary is just pissed because he thinks things should be run a certain way (which would be kicking half the members out if he had his way) and the current BOD has a different view.
If you have 7 or more vehicles you need a Special Use Permit!

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Yes... SCCXcuses for a "black and white" issues of "truth"! A year ago there were 10 BOD members now there are only 4 BOD members! Four BOD members with a "all for one" attitude which means protect at all cost and ignore the truth! Kill the messenger!
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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."

Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860