We get the oposite of that out in the desert. An incline on very hard packed ground with a very thin layer of loose small gravel. Hit a hole or something on the way up and it's easy to be toast.

I was just on a run with the Southwest Nissan Club, and ran into this very problem. The guys with lockers just walked right up........makes me want to get them so bad.

Marshall
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I voted for Kerry.
Twice.