Dude, takin a little personal there Andy. I said it was no biggie. You chose the line for me (way different from the line the others took, I know I was watching closely) I chose to take the line you showed me even though I had not thought of it. And YES I take full responsibility for that, after all I was the one in the drivers seat. It appeared to me that I needed a little momentum to approach that thing, and it turned out bad. Oh well, it cost me a 25 dollar rim. I have been over harder stuff (thats what I mean) I refuse to get hatefull toward you Andy, I never ment it in a bad way. When you off road, stuff breaks... everyone knows that. But please do not over react, calling me stupid is a little harsh I think, or is it the "pink shirt" thing your upset about? Either way, DONT be mad at me.