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Originally posted by NY Madman:
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Originally posted by Weasel:

[b]Riiiiiiiiight...

American poverty is very real and not as simple as "making better choices".
Everyone has the same opportunities in this country. EVERYONE has access to a free public education to better themselves.

The problem is behavior and "culture" within certain demographics. Something you leftists refuse to address. You actually exasperate those problems.

As I said, the main reasons for poverty in this country I listed in a post above. However.... that requires a modicum of discipline and personal responsibility. It probably requires some societal values and some shared morals. Something you people on the left have been working extremely hard at completely removing from the American experience and absolving people of any personal responsibility.

Every argument you leftists put forth regarding poor people in America is complete bullshit. Many immigrants to this country outright prove your arguments to be bullshit.

Case in point.... the majority of Asian immigrants. They come here without a nickel in their pockets and within less than a generation most have achieved success. Do you know why that is? They don't view themselves as "victims". They don't have a sense of entitlement that someone else owes them something. They have simple, yet tried and true values and ethics for success.... hard work.... education.... personal responsibility... and family.

They are the keys to success in this country. They are the core values. Values of which almost ALL on the left and the socialists completely disregard and disavow.

Socialists push "victimization" because the more victim classes you can create, the faster the path to societal socialism.

Not a single fucking one of you care about your fellow man or the causes of poverty. It's nothing but a political tool.

Asians aren't even included in many leftist "affirmative action" type racial programs any more because the left can't use them as victims. That's because as a group they largely succeed.[/b]
Well, it is quite hard to get an education if you were born in inner-city ghetto's or any city that has crap for property value. As you should know poor cities have low property value, thus schools have less money.

Do you seriously believe that a kid who goes to a school in an old firestation with holes in the walls, kids sharing books, really old ones????
or a well funded school, where every kid gets new books every year. Do you think that is equal? Do you think that is fair.

I am neither a democrat nor a republican, I am an independent. I do not agree with both. I have to choose on the lesser of the 2 evils.

I agree we have to better ourselves by ourselves, but what i find unfair is that a kid that is born in poverty has a grim look at succeeding, cause he or she cannot get the education, cannot afford to have health care, and ends up on the streets. As opposed to a kid that is born in the upper class and has everything handed to him, I find it not fair. Now if the republicans started to spend money into these poor schools and actually make an attempt, then I'll be supporting them. Both Kids have a right to health care. and Both kids have the right to get a good education. Even though the truth is that the upper class kid will get one.

I do believe in personal responsibility. and that if you want something you have to work for it, but not for health care nor education.

And do not think the working class are lazy. 85% of individuals on welfare do leave welfare and go above the poverty line, but stay around the poverty line as there is close to impossible to get into the middle class.