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Originally posted by JeffW:

Therefore, in ALL cases the plane moves with respect to the atmosphere, thus achieving lift.
You and others keep repeating the same exact FLAW.

The plane DOES NOT move in relation to either the atmosphere or the ground. It's engines are ONLY pushing air behind it.

You can't seem to get your arms around that fact. (You can stop posting Branden's drawing. How man times is that now?)
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