scott, how about 7:30 at the heb in new braunfels. don't know exit number, but it's the walnut exit. rick, not sure where the whataburger is at bandera/1604, but shouldn't be to hard to locate. If i meet scott at 7:30, we should be out there around 8:15ish. pat, any idea how long we'll be out there. curious if becky and i need to pack a picnic type lunch or if whatabreakfast will be enough.