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Originally posted by Shahram:

Okay, your pissy hysterics aside, I don't know who you're talking to. Did I strap a bomb to my chest? Have I declared jihad? What am I supposed to do about the shit other people do? What makes you think anyone's gonna listen to me anyway? You got a problem with fanatics? Go talk to them, and leave me the fuck alone.
I know you haven't declared jihad, but you're a Muslim. If the Muslim problem is going to be solved, it is going to take Muslims. That means you.

Don't give me any bullshit either that you don't know many Muslims or don't have anything to do with other Muslims.

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I'm responsible for the shit I do. Me. And to a certain extent, the shit my kid does. That's it. That's where it ends. What responsibility do I have in the brutal acts of Islamic fanatics? I was sitting here and drinking my Oly and watching Serpico, m inding my own business and now all of a sudden I'm the ambassador to Islam. Fuck off.
I'm not saying you are responsible for the acts of the fanatical harcore Muslims. But, as a Muslim, there is a hell of a lot more you could be doing.

If Catholics were going around killing people every day, you can bet your ass other Catholics wouldn't tolerate it.

You Muslims don't seem to have ANY problem tolerating the worst in your own. Too many of you go out of your way to cover it up and lie about it. That has to stop.

The problem is most likely you are scared of your own. Religion of peace right?

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You're French, Martel. Do I come to you and blame you for the Congo? Should I blame you for Algeria? Can I blame you for the Vichy government? Why not? You're French, right? If you're one of those mythical upstanding Frenchmen we hear so much about but never see, why won't you stand up and say "I'm nothing like the French people you see on Fox News and in history class! I'm one of the good Frenchmen! But not that good of a Frenchman!!!" And hearing the words "mythical moderate muslim" just smacks a little too much like "Blood Jew" for my tastes. You start lumping a fifth of the world's population into a pigeonhole marked "EVIL", you start down a road that only has one end.
I'm not French. Not a drop. I'm insulted you would think I was French. At least I hope you didn't think French Canadian. The horror.... the horror.

Where are the moderate Muslims if you don't think they are "mythical"? The Muslim people in this country hold too many jihadist type sentiments. 26% of all Muslims 30 years of age and under in America think suicide bombing is acceptable.

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My point about the question about Manzanar is about our end game. What's the logical conclusion to all of this? What's the thing that no one wants to talk about? Are we heading for all out war with an entire group of people, who live in every major city on the planet? What will the ugly implications, the disgusting details boil down to? Police state? No privacy, military checkpoints, "Papers, please", no oversight for the overseers, lots and lots of detainments, imprisonments, marshal law, clamp-downs, the outings, the cries of "muslim sympathizer", the division drawn, the us or them, blah blah blah...
The police state crap is just that.... CRAP.

That's a typical response from you. Repeat left wing rhetoric of an impending police state every time combating terrorism is mentioned.

A good start would be to knock off all the political correctness and have an open public dialog regarding Islam. That needs to happen... for both the sake of American Muslims and non-Muslims. Political correctness provides cover for Islamic terrorists. They unfortunately use it to their greater advantage.

Another good start would be to pass a law requiring all religions... that includes Islam.... to declare every penny of income and where it originates (currently no religious institutions have to do that). If taxpayers are going to give any religious institution tax exempt status, they have a right to know where every penny of that money is coming from.

Same absolute disclosure for all foundations and every form of non-profit money and disbursements.

End the practice of mosques not allowing non-Muslims access to their services. If taxpayers are subsidizing them, then anyone and any taxpayer should be able to walk into any service at any time. That is not currently happening in many... and probably most mosques.

Terrorism thrives under our ridiculous and overly generous tax-exempt status and laws.

Profiling must be allowed at all security sensitive points. Maybe Israeli style profiling, but our current system is ridiculous.

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I say no. Americans live by example. People in this country have the choice to embrace the Constitution or reject it. It matters not in the end. Give me freedom, or give me death, but don't give me something in between. The American way of life is infectious, and if it doesn't catch on, then I'm happy to go down with the ship. But I want to do it with dignity, not pandering to compromise.
The American way of life USED to be infectious. it is NOT anymore.

There is too much encouraging people NOT to assimilate into the American way of life. The immigration experience is not like it was 100 years ago.

Today every immigrant group has a ready made grievance group or organization to help them hate and complain about their new home and make demands.

The only pandering going on in this country is to politically correct special interests. There is absolutely NO pandering going on in the direction of American values and what was long held American traditions and way of life.

Jeez... If you can't see a lot of that where you live in that Mexifornian shithole your city is turning into, there is either no hope for you, or you are completely full of shit.

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I'm not afraid of muslims, which is what sets you and I apart. I'm not afraid of the bogeymen hiding around every corner, plotting, planning. Look, I just want to be free to pursue my own end, and I ask to be held accountable for my own actions. I'm not afraid to die. No one can guarantee my safety. But the constitution guarantees my freedom, and the only thing I fear is that THAT will be taken away. No foreign invader can take that away from me! NO ONE CAN!!!
I'm not afraid of Muslims either. You're a Muslim and I could knock you over with my urine stream.

Your freedom is not being taken away. You listen to too much left wing bullshit. You're freedom doesn't have to be infringed just so the government can protect you. It's nice that you want to pursue your own ends. But not everyone in this country is out to pursue ends that would end nicely.

The world and the government doesn't revolve around your pursuit of your ends.

You aren't doing anything wrong are you? Are you on the phone with Iran or any other Middle East terrorist country or something on a regular basis? If so, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in such behavior.

The constitution also says the government is supposed to protect you from all enemies foreign and domestic. You have read it haven't you?

Maybe give it a shot when you're done reading commondreams.org or dailykos.
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