Originally posted by Conundrum:
I thought it was simple until you post up NYMM.
That just bolsters my point that the Fair Tax is designed as an issue to grab people's emotions and not really designed for anyone to give it serious thought regarding it's implementation and it's ramifications.
Have you read any of the Fair Tax Bills that have already been proposed in Congress? They are complete bullshit and nothing what you think they are.
Maybe some zany Libertarians and some people on the emotional right who never really think about the consequences of some of the ideas they propose think this is a good idea during discussions on a bar stool between shots of J.D.
You buy something you don't need you pay tax for it. Consumption of the Rich.
You need it, you pay no tax for it. Consumption of the Froogle or Poor.
Taxation on things like food or clothing are the province of the states. Some states have taxes for one or the other, some states do not.
Are you proposing an increase in the federal power of taxation to decide what is taxable and what is not? How much damn power do you want to give the federal government? As far as I am concerned, they have far too much already. It needs to be reigned in. Not increased.
Sure the Pipedream as you put it, is far fetched, but can be done and without drastic imacts to the people, at least the poor who really are poor and not just living that way to get Federal/State and local assistance. There would have to be a 2/3rds majority to repeal the IRS and institute this "Fair Tax" as you put it.
I guess as you've put it in other arguments, that if the Majority aren't for it, it won't happen. I guess we'll see. I've been hoping for something to change for about 18 years.
Regarding repealing the 16th Amendment... that is NEVER going to happen. In order for that to occur, you would need a lot of Democrats and Republicans to go along with it on both the state and federal levels. That is never going to happen. Democrats will NEVER go along with giving up the right of income taxation. I repeat.. N-E-V-E-R. Not in your wildest dreams.
Many Republicans will not go for it either.
Without the repeal of the 16th Amendment, the Fair Tax would be just an invitation for politicians to create a national sales tax then not long afterwards claim it wasn't enough and income would have to also be taxed again. It is nothing but a license for government to fuck you over far more than they are already doing.
Most people don't realize this fact because no one talks about it and the media never mentions it........ You are NEVER going to get real reform with anything involving government unless political representatives are term limited. The current system where people stay in power from the age of thirty to the age of 80 is fucking this country far more than anything else.
If you want reform on anything related to government... I mean REAL REFORM....whether it be taxation or any other issue.... you are never going to get it until those in power are limited to their time in power ... therefore their ambitions involve less of feathering their own nests and creating their own power bases and involves more about doing something good with the limited time in office they are allowed.
Term limits would return a large portion of power to the people. There will never be real reform with career and lifetime politicians.
Term limits is the only and major political goal the American people should be screaming about. Without it, very little else that really matters is possible.
Our current system of lifetime, career politicians in the same job breeds nothing but corruption, elitism and a disconnect from the public on the part of the political class. It breeds contempt for the people they were elected to represent.
With Cut and Run as well as 9/11 and contrail conspiracy wackos, I hardly think there could be enough focus in the political landscape to even consider the notion.
Some are thinking about instituting a national sales tax on top of all the other taxes you pay. That concept is still on the table. No other taxes will go away. They are thinking about a national sales tax to pay for all the socialistic programs that are being discussed such as socialized medical care
The Fair Tax requires other things to occur first before it is even something worthy of consideration. Without those things in place, it is just a new form of taxation and it's proponents are full of shit.
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