Originally posted by NY Madman:
Originally posted by BlueSky:
[b]I'm honored that you think so since I would never want it thought that I am of your ilk. (that word again)
Back on topic...your argument seems to hinge on waterboarding not being torture. What's your take on the recent statement to a House subcommittee by Malcolm Nance?
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Malcolm W. Nance
November 8, 2007
Waterboarding is a valuable tool. It is NOT torture and waterboarding HAS saved the lives of Americans.
You don't seem to care that it has saved people's lives.
You also haven't offered any suggestions on how to extract information from the most hardened terrorists without waterboarding. None of the anti-waterboarding people have offered a single suggestion.
The lives of American citizens is more important than any temporary discomfort of a terrorist.[/b]I HAVE offered alternatives by stating in a previous post that I support any interrogation technique short of torture.
Waterboarding IS torture. That much is clear, and that's where we appear to disagree. As crazy as it seems, people like Senior Chief Nance and Senator McCain seem more credible as authorities on this than anyone on the Xterra Owners Club board.
The "saved lives" claim applies to any interrogation technique that yields useful information, so it's not like torture is unique in that way.
Can you categorically state that everybody the U.S. has ever tortured was a terrorist? If not, what about the ones that weren't?
What's the pro-waterboarding crowd's take on rendition?
In that my goal is always to avoid name-calling and stay on topic, I regret my previous Nazi reference. Even you aren't that bad.
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