Originally posted by WilMac1023:
Good God, you have no idea what you are saying here. Fanatics will ALWAYS be here. There will always be SOME lunatic that overdoses on the Koran or the Bible or the Torah and blow up other people in the name of God. As a Christian, I'm appalled at those that would kill abortion doctors in the name of religion. But those people are ALWAYS GOING TO BE AROUND. There will never be peace in the middle east because there will always be a high ratio of fanatics over there. It's always been that way, and it always will be.
Wrong again. The current situation has not always been. After the first wave of Jewish immigrants inhabited the area, the Jews and Arabs lived side by side quite peacefully. The Jews bought large quantities of the land they now inhabit from rich Arabs. This land was often purchased at outrageous prices. Much of the land was largely uninhabited. It was a wasteland of swamps and deserts. The Jews drained the swamps, built a medical and educational infrastructure, had a working media, and actually helped the plight of the resident Arabs.
The other side of it is that we cannot continue to support Isreal in the manner that we have. Read the UN Charter of 1948. The UN TOOK LAND that the Palestinians have lived on since 1187.
The land was again largely owned by the Jews, and there was a Jewish majority there. The Arabs had already been given 4/5 of Palestine by the Brits, which they still have today.
In 1948 The Jews claimed the establishment of a state for themselves over the land of Palestine and called it Israel. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were forced out of Palestine under the military pressure of Jewish terrorist groups such as the Irgun, Levi, and Haganot which were financed and armed by the British army. This is what scares the Muslims in the middle east--that we are the new empire that is going to force them out of their rightful land.
Again not really true. Small groups like the Irgun were not Israeli sanctioned military units. After they committed some particularly gruesome acts they were disarmed by the Israelis. The war in 1948 was not started by the Israelis, it was started by the Arabs. They planned to kill all of the Jews. The Arab League called for it, and Husseini called for the Arabs to "Murder all the Jews". Israel never had a policy of moving out the resident Arabs. Arab leaders forced many of the residents to leave, and most left before they ever saw a single Israeli soldier.
Most of the so called refugees had not lived in the same place for more than a year or two. A lot of them ended up moving a few miles away. The UN actually redefined what a refugee is just for these people. In 1948 Israel defended their legal right to exist.
Because of this, if there is ever to be peace in the middle east, we cannot support the nation of Isreal like we have. We have to negotiate with both sides to share the land. As long as one powers over the other, they cannot live in harmony. It's just the way it is.
Sure we could quit supporting Israel and let the Arabs wipe them out. That would be a solution to the problem. Do you advocate this solution to the Jewish problem? Negotiating is all well and good, but you have to have a partner to negotiate with. The 'Palestinians' have repeatedly rejected a two state solution time and time again. Their solution is to kill all the Jews and take over Israel. It all started when the Brits gave Husseini power. He used terrorism to get what he wanted then, and his nephew is still trying to do it 80 years later.
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