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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Moby....

Why do you always have to bring religion into every debate here on XOC? That is somewhat disturbing. Your disdain for the various flavors of the Christian faith has been duly noted in the numerous threads that have covered this subject.
I only brought those religions into it, because they are examples of different morals. They have set "standards." I can't bring individuals into it, because you'd immediately say, "yeah, but those people are obviously idiots" (or something along those lines). I'm not bringing religion in to bash it. And I have said many times that I have no problem with religion in and of itself. I have problems with religion, ANY religion, trying to push it's beliefs on others.

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I am skeptical of your link. It is a website for some kind of medical training. Doctors are in no way paragons of virtue just by the very fact that they are doctors. Abortion is a huge money maker for many. A doctor who is a truly moral man does not perform abortions. I also could not find anything related to non-Christian religions and their stance on abortion on that site. I found this interesting and so should you. If anything relating to other religions exists on the site, please post it.
I'm not concerned with what each religion thinks. This was the OFFICIAL resolution of the Episcopal Church. How about this link, instead:

Read the first sentence - "The Episcopal...bortion rights"

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Many doctors have no sense of morality. This is prevalent especially in research doctors. Does cloning and genetic engineering of human life sound like a moral pursuit to you? If you are a moral relativist than you would think it is OK because you would have a neutral position on the issue.
I personally do not think cloning or genetic engineering should be done.

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You would have a neutral position on all issues.
Wrong. I have my positions, but I also know others have theirs. Some say abortion is wrong. That's fine. But don't tell me if I'm a woman that I can't have one. I don't tell you you HAVE to have one. If you don't want to do that, then don't.

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Doctors are bad examples. You would probably find more morality amongst auto mechanics than the same numerical sample of doctors.
You don't know very many doctors, then. I grew up with them all around me. And I guarantee the percentages are about the same. I could always argue that very few mechanics are "moral." I see too many try to jack people for repairs that aren't needed - just a way to get more money out of people.

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Religion is not the one and only foundation for morals in a society.
I don't disagree. But religion is where you see those morals given out to everyone, where the Priest talks about it every Sunday. It's just the easiest example to show.

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The Moral Relativism I speak of is this insane notion that everyone has a different sense of right and wrong. Some believe there is no right and wrong. They believe right and wrong are not absolute values, but are to be decided by the individual and can change from one situation or circumstance to the next. This is insanity.
They are absolute values. But my absolute is not the same as yours. You are pro-death penalty. I am not. Which is *morally* right?

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Now do you know what moral relativism is? Does this help you at all? Is this what you believe?
I already knew what it was.

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"The worst place in hell is reserved for those who are neutral in times of crisis".....Dante Alighieri
"A man does not show his greatness by being at one extremity, but rather by touching both at once.".....Blaise Pascal
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"Nature has constituted utility to man the standard and test of virtue. Men living in different countries, under different circumstances, different habits and regimens, may have different utilities; the same act, therefore, may be useful and consequently virtuous in one country which is injurious and vicious in another differently circumstanced" - Thomas Jefferson, moral relativist