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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Moby...

The new link you posted was again for a Christian faith...The Episcopal Church. I was looking for a non-Christian link from the original medical site. My point being moral relativism is a form of rejection of Judeo/Christian values. It is also primarily a Western phenomenon. Did you post the Episcopal link because it supports your values? Why are you not concerned with other religions? Is abortion not an issue in any of them? (Make it brief...we've had enough abortion threads)
Oh no, I was just trying to point out that even within Christianity, there are differences in what people's morals are.

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I've met plenty of doctors in my life. Most through my past job. You may be right about the percentage of doctors with morals and values vs general population. The ones you knew growing up were probably more like Marcus Welby. Many big city doctors up here are not. We have many criminals with M.D.s. I guess you do too.
Actually, I don't doubt that. Today I'm sure it's worse than it used to be. My roommate in college was planning on becoming a doctor. But his primary reason was money. That's just the wrong reason, to me.

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Religion does dictate morals. We all know that, but I have known many people who grew up with no religion who are moral people.
One of this board, I dare say - Samueul.

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I am really not sure you understand the concept of moral relativism. Comparing my values and yours has nothing to do with it. Moral Relativism in a nutshell is Neutral Thinking.
In that sense, no, we aren't speaking of the same thing. In your view, it's basically saying, "well, whatever." Correct? My view - each person has different morals, and they are different, relative to someone else's.

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You have values and ideals. You are not a moral relativist per se... but you do seem to embrace it when it suits you. You have judged me for judging others. So has half this message board. This is a tenet of moral relativism.
Now, I think I can honestly say that while everyone knows you and I don't agree on a lot of things (almost nothing, probably...who knows), I've never said anything bad about you, at least not purposely. Most of my comments are meant to keep an actual discussion going. I *want* to know what people think, even if it's 180 degrees from my views.

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Don't get me wrong. I don't think you are a bad person or vacuous of any sense of morality.... We just see things differently.

Hey....we're just talking right.
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I have a quote also seeing that you think I am some kind of extremist...

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"......Barry M. Goldwater
It wasn't really directed at you, but at the quote you had. (Though I won't deny that *I* think a lot of your views are extreme.)
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"Nature has constituted utility to man the standard and test of virtue. Men living in different countries, under different circumstances, different habits and regimens, may have different utilities; the same act, therefore, may be useful and consequently virtuous in one country which is injurious and vicious in another differently circumstanced" - Thomas Jefferson, moral relativist