Originally posted by Samueul:
While I do not agree with spalind on the nuke part, I do agree that we are being way to fucking nice over there. 8 soldiers wounded by a mortar attack and our guys couldn't return fire because the mortar came from a "residential" area....
The situation is now fucked over there. Nothing we do will be the "right" thing. civilians are a casualty of any conflict, and maybe the iraqi people would start to "actively" try and prevent their insurgents from planning these attacks if we weren't so "careful" on what gets destroyed and who gets killed in the process of taking out the insurgency......
If your buddies are planning an attack and you know the outcome of that attack is not going to affect you one way or the other, you will probably not get involved. If you know that the "enemy" will steam roll your neiborhood because of any attack, you may actually try to prevent one from happening.
You cannot tell me that a good portion of Iraqi people do not get wind of impending attacks on coalition forces. They don't tip anyone off because they are still more afraid of the iraqi forces then ours, Or their hearts are truly behind the insurgents (I think this is the case). We need to make them more afraid of our forces then the insurgents....
One of the problems with "returning fire" on mortars is that there is usually no point. Even if the Q-36 (counter battery radar) detects the rounds, the bad guys usually shoot and scoot. They fire 2 or 3 rounds and move out. Takes about 30 seconds to pull the tube out of a trunck, hang the rounds, break it down and drive away. They don't sit there and calculate the angle and adjust fire. It's purely an annoyance and lucky shot thing. We don't have guns up ready for counter battery fire. The best chance we have is a cop or concerned citizen, and occasionally a chopper that happened to be in the area - and that would make for some really dumb bad guys. We do have the concerned citizens and cops - several reports come from them - vehicle descriptions, types of weapons, etc. Since the bad guys suck at aiming, rounds tend to land on houses, schools, etc, people do have an interest in letting us know. While I disagree with a 1-year rotation, I think we are accomplishing some good things here. We are leaving Mosul in the hands of the 2nd ID a much safer and cleaner place than it was when we landed.