Originally posted by spalind:
oooooo...we are all impressed with your "supposed" top secret security clearance...too bad that doesnt equate with the ability to analyze the current situation...and are you kidding with the "the day a nuclear weapon is used it will be the end of the world" you sound like some left wing hippie Dean supporter...no one besides the US and Russia even has the #'s of nukes to "end the world" and I dont see either of us turning the world into a smoking pile of rubble at this point...and just who would declare war on America that hasnt already?? and who is going to hate us more than they do already?? answer--No one...and you do not explain in any way how the rules of engagement or Geneva convention would apply here..you just use blanket statements...like most people who allow emotions to rule their decisions...I simply state facts on the other hand...Fact #1--I want the fewest amount of Americans to die, Fact #2--I want the most amount of the enemy to die so that they never cause a single problem again, Fact #3 dropping a nuke in the general vicinity of wherever Saddam was at the beginning of the war would have accomplished this....would it have been better if instead of using the word Nuke if I just changed it to carpet bombing?? does that prevent your panties from getting in a bunch?? Is it just the knee jerk emotional response that using the word "nuke" seems to bring out in all of you?? Fine, dont nuke them, Napalm them, use a MOAB, whatever...as long as it kills the highest # of the enemy as possible with the lowest casualties on our side...and if we knock down a few mud huts in the meantime....neither I nor our soldiers who would be safe in their beds are gonna lose much sleep over it....
First of all, I don't see you in any branch of the service doing anything about the current situation. You sit home on your comforable chair, spewing what you think we should do. I am a Sonar Technician in the United States Navy and have been for 6 years, and you are required to have a secret security clearance to be one. I also have to add that was the most imature statement I have ever read on XOC. I say that the day a nuclear weapon is used it will be end of the world because that will open the door for everyone to start using nukes against each other. How do you know who has nukes and how many they have? You are a jackass. There are more countries out there with nukes, or allies that have nukes than you know. Calling me a "left wing hippie dean supporter" when I am in the military, that makes sense. You ask "Who is going to hate us more than they do already?" Have you ever even been outside of the U.S.? Every been the the Northern Arabian Gulf? Ever been to Egypt. I suggest you go visit those places and see for yourself. There are countries with nuclear arsenals that we are holding at bay. They are just looking for one little excuse to escalate the situation with us. As far as the Geneva Conventions, they were already explained to you how they apply here. The way you would apply rules of engagement to this situation is that you only use enough force to eliminate the threat. You don't just go dropping nukes on footsoldiers with automatic weapons and small explosives.
Fact #1 - I want the fewest amount of Americans to die also
Fact #2 - I want the enemy threat neutralized. They will always hate us, don't you understand? It is religiously fueled and if we wipe out the whole Iraqi country, then it gives all the Muslims of the world even more reasons to hate us and attack us.
Fact #3 - Dropping a nuke on Iraq would have caused us to lose all of our allies (whatever we have left), and all Muslim nations would have declared war on us on a much greater scale. Our president would have been tried at the Hague for war crimes.
Fact #4 - If we drop nukes on Iraq, our kids will have to deal with it till the day they die. We are trying to make America safe, not give people more reasons to hate us and attack us.
I understand your caring for American lives, we all do. Don't you think that human life in general is important? Killing innocent civilians doesn't bother you? The majority of Iraq wants our help. What about all of those people? We would be murdering them. Dropping a nuke would be killing hundreds of thousands of people when our target would be about half of that. Women and children would be slaughtered. You have some valid points, but there is no easy way out of this situation in Iraq.