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[QUOTE]But if morals are lacking here, and Bush is going to bring them back...?
You're trying to be clever with your selective quoting. If the scum currently held at Gitmo were killed in the field there would be no discussion about morals. Most of them could have been killed by the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. They would have been happy to do the deed. Bush was actually TOO MORAL for even allowing this whole Gitmo thing in the first place. Now every hate America lefty has rallied to their cause. Bush should have seen that coming a mile away. You know, the same lefty's that support evey other form of immorality infecting our society. In a strange sense of irony, these very lefty's and liberals are one of the reason these Islamic fundamentalist terrorists claim to hate America in the first place.

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No, I was just giving an example of how one entity fought back.
Poor choice of examples. Not even in the same category.

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So are they civilians?
No. They are combatants who initiated armed conflict against the United States. That is why the government had to declare them "enemy combatants". They are a new class of enemy. If they were declared civilians or POW's the above mentioned lefty's would have found a legal loophole and a federal judge who would have released every one of them. I think even you know this to be true. The government knew this and acted accordingly. The Bush admin is aware of the leftist fifth column who is actually on the side of our enemies. (Again which makes me wonder why they even brought them to Gitmo in the first place)

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This I don't disagree with. Either eliminate them, or let them rot with no chance of getting out. But don't they deserve a trial (no, I'm not suggesting a civilian court trial)?
Since we made the mistake of holding them, they deserve a military tribunal aboard an aircraft carrier then a swift execution. Of course no civilian court. The civilian courts have absolutely no jurisdiction in this matter regardless of how much your hate America friends try to claim.

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Not quite sure where you pulled that one from. Please explain.
In every debate on here you always try to look for some way to defend the worst elements of our world.... most especially enemies of America. You may think you are playing devil's advocate but it often does not come across as such. You rarely argue on the side of your own country in any debate. You go out of your way to portray your own country wrong on most issues...especially foreign policy debates and also our handling of terrorism. Such is the case with Islamic terrorists. They issue tapes or threats on an almost daily basis yet you see your own country as the primary problem. Maybe you have a problem with the fact that we are doing anything about it at all. You seem like one of these leftists that always view their own country as the problem regardless of the behavior or actions of any foreign elements. You definitely come across as an apoligist for the enemies of America. I guess you don't even realize it. You only change your tune when challegened. I only know what you post. But I do know you are anything but a moderate on most important issues and terrorism is the most important issue of our times.