Thx for the help guys. Seems like i caused quite a stir between a couple of you guys :p But that seems to be a common occurence on this board lol. Onyx you are right about me having new components up front, i just have yet to install them as i dont' have an amp and sub yet and i want to run all the wiring at once. In my past systems i've had 2 amps but feel that i'm over the "bumping" stage of my life. Only bumping i feel like doing now is either in the bed, or over rocks What do you guys think of the amp i posted being "RENEWED." All the components i've bought in the past have either been brand new or slightly used by friends that i know and trust. It says that it comes w/a 3 month manufacturer warranty which says something i guess. But i cannot get over the fact that this renewed price is half the price of a brand new one (a big plus) Let me know and thanks for all the great input!!!