DGX Fac your are quite right I never ment to take away from Honda. I was just try to make the statement you do not need a v8 to make power or go fast. I have had a Honda and it was quite fast for a 4 door car with 4 bagger, and I must admit Honda is 2nd to none in 4 bagger power, but Im Nissan man and I do not like people bashing there 4 baggers I think there great. If I had to pick the most durable 4 bagger (Power aside) it would be a toss up of the Toyota 22r and most any Honda. I have owned them both.