Originally posted by JeffW:
Around here they call them "suicide shackles". I've heard of them breaking on the trails. They have also been known to make a vehicle slightly more prone to rollovers. I have also heard of them royally f%cking up spring hangers because of the additional twist they put on the leafs.
I also don't see the advantage of the extra droop because they only droop out when there's no weight on that leaf. This means you've drooped the tire but haven't really added any "useful" (grip-enhancing) flex.
Definitely ask around before you buy those. Your local custom 4x4 shop is a good place to start.
This is a good example of the BS I'm talking about.
Someone who doesn't have them, repeating what others who don't have them said.
It shows a total lack of understanding of how they work.
Point by Point:
1. I've heard of them breaking on the trails - I've heard of regular shackles breaking on the trails, and regular leaf springs, and regular shocks, etc.
2. They make a vehical slightly more prone to rollovers - Any lift does that, and the Revolvers don't give much lift, so less likely to cause a roll than a regular lift shackle....ALL they do is help keep your tires on the ground...and that has never contributed to a rollover that I know of. (A roll is when the COG crosses out of the rectangle formed by the 4 tire's foot prints...its NOT like the suspension holds you down...)
3. They put extra twist on the springs fucking up the hangers - They do the opposite, as they swivel, taking the stress OFF OF THE HANGERS, by letting the leaf move, instead of the leaf torquing against the hanger as happens with a regular shackle.(Which is HOW regular shackles tend to break)
4. They only give extra droop, but don't support the extra weight - When ANY SUSPENSION DROOPS, the tire is dropping because of the weight of the axle/tire, etc...and its not holding the truck up if its drooping....droop is dropping by gravity....if the tire drops away from the truck, its not holding the truck up...that's WHY a regular shackle swings to add articulation, and WHY a shackle gives better wheel travel/off road performance than an AAL, etc.
And, as hard as it is for some to understand...just like a regular lift shackle can swing, allowing more droop at parts of its swing, etc...it will STILL support the truck at various parts of its swing.
The Revolver opens to about 9.5"...a stock shackle is about 3", so it can get about 6.5" longer, or ~ the equivalent of a 3" lift just from shackle length....about 1.5" more than a std 3" SL.
So - The end result is merely having the articulation of the 4.5" SL, w/o actually having to raise the COG by 4.5".
The traction is there, I have been able to go places I simply could not have managed w/o locker or the Revolvers....and sure, a locker overall would be better If I had to pick, but, the Revolvers are WAY less expensive, and a 45 minute install....and I can still do BOTH one day if I have the $.
