Mall crawlers don't want revolvers, they don't show, and they don't give enough lift to notice.



And how do you figure I'm changing the weight on the opposite tire anyway?

And its not theory...its truck scales, and lots of little slips of paper with weights printed on it, etc.



I don't think you get it yet...

Maybe you now understand that you have MORE WEIGHT on the drooped tire with the revolver, not less weight...that's a start.

Next Issue -

So far, you are saying that if the truck stays level, and the tire's go up and down independantly, its somehow less stable than a stiff suspension, where the truck goes up and down at each corner, in lock step with the tires?

If I get a flexy leaf that allows my tire to droop a bit lower than the frame bottom, the truck is stable, but if a revolver shackled tire droops the the exact same point, its unstable?

Or are you just against articulation in general, as a flexy suspension is too wishy washy to be safe, and we should just get hummers, lock both ends, and not worry about keeping tires on the ground?



I'd do lockers if I had the time$, trust me. The few extra bucks for the revolvers over the regular shackles wasn't exactly the difference either...not even close.

Hell, I'd do low t-case gears too...overall, before a bunch of other mods btw.

But the time$ thing is there, and real...

All I'm trying to get across is that the revolvers confuse people, much like airplanes on tread mills.

There's also this THING about them, where people talk about them as if they know, and tell others, and the next thing you know, "facts" about revolvers are rampant....like how the tires have zero weight on them when drooped, etc...the exact opposite of a real "fact", etc.

Its like someone who doesn't understand how to measure backspacing "does the math" wrong, and goes around saying the X's OEM BS is 5" instead of 5.5"...and quickly, it appears all over as a new "fact".

Revolvers are ripe for that.

A revolver doesn't toss you over on a side hill anymore than a leaf spring throws you, etc...

I agree about the pics, I have no good pics, sorry...if I'm in a good spot, its typically too hard to get a pic. :rolleyes:

Of course, there's really no such thing as a pic of a side hill that would require revolvers, or any lift shackles...as on a hill, the lower you are, the better.



So - If you're argument is that an X should not have more than 3" of lift, as any more than that will lean over too far, and whack passing trees, and that people should just stay at that height, and save for lockers, fine...then its your opinion about a safe lift height/COG, etc.

We're talking about 2" of travel here....2"...w/o extra lift.

...and, because we did NOT add lift, the OPPOSITE side tire can compress further/lowering the truck more...because if one side is dropping, the other side is being weighted.

That means I'm leaning INTO the side hill on my uphill side more than if I had more lift...as my suspension is MORE compressed on the uphill side when the downhill side is drooped than with more lift.

If I'm side hilled where I'm not drooped, the shackle is folded on the downhill side, and the weight is also supported...so either way, I've been good to go.

If I had too tall a lift, and my COG was across the downhill tire boundry line...I could be talking about a block of wood, or an iron box, etc...I'm going over, simple physics...shackles, axles welded to the frame, whatever, it doesn't matter....your COG crosses that line, you go over.

If the argument is that its only too much travel if from a REVOLVER shackle, then my personal measurements and experience tell me otherwise....travel is travel...gravity pulls the tire down.

There was a video posted here that showed some bozo with a lift w/o flex side hilling, and going over/getting stuck, and providing extreme detail about a lack of judgement, etc....but the LACK of flex flipping him over was the part I was interested in.

When the tire goes up, it tips the truck up, and visa versa...which leads to an easier roll.

So - too little flex can be unstable.

Now, too much flex can be unstable too...a weight on top of a slinky would be tough to control, etc.

So - too little, or too much, flex is the problem.

All we are doing now is agreeing on HOW MUCH flex is not too much, or too little.



A while back, I think it was Carlton and I compared my Revolver/Doubled AAL set up droop, to his new (At the time...) flexy leaf pack/shackle droop...and it was about the same IIRC.

So keep the order of magnitude in mind....its some extra wheel travel, not a catapault.