If you go back to the beginning, I was comparing flex/grip with a revolver vs. a real leaf pack that gives equivalent suspension travel. Nobody in their right mind would try to compare travel you get with a regular shackle vs. a revolver... Duh, of course the revolver has more travel...that's sort of their purpose in life, isn't it?

What has to be compared in order to see the difference in ACTUAL traction, is:

1) A rig with regular leaf packs and revolver shackles.

2) A rig with different leaf pack and standard shackles.

And the available travel from #1 and #2 have to be equivalent.

Maybe you can't see what I'm talking about, but so far, there hasn't been any "testing" comparing my recommendation for a real leaf pack instead of revolvers. We (myself included) took the eye off the ball, so to speak, and got hung up with friction coefficients. My bad. But the fact remains, the "test" wasn't testing my argument in the first place.