Ugg...

Ok, I'm gonna' be a dick, one more time... Hopefully y'all will forgive me, after I lay down the smack...

Granted, things ALWAYS look/feel tougher when you're driving on 'em... It's tiring to hear of magical feats of offroaders...

So, first, I'm establishing that this is widowmaker, near MOAB in Utah:

http://www.stu-offroad.com/others/other1.htm

And hopefully the original owner of the pics won't mind, but here they are, in case you don't want to follow the links.

Photo 1, as you're approaching, as seen from the dash:


Photo 2, as seen from the bottom:


And finally, photo 3, from the side view:


It's photo 3 I'll be working with...

For a measuring the angles, please take a look at THIS photo:



You'll easily see that the Jeep in the photo is at a 38* angle. With his rear tire almost touching the face. The rock face of Widowmaker, is roughly 49*. And that's a very generous angle line, I might add.

For those that have the ability, and would like to try to call BS, please use the following files for proof:

AutoCAD 2000 DWG file
Attached Image File Necessary

I'm not saying Widowmaker is easy. Hell no. What I'm saying, is there's no f*ing way a stock, reasonable modified, or even SAS'd Nissan is doing a 70 degree incline. It's NOT gonna' happen. It may *feel* like 70 degrees, but you're not even close!!!